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Nokia Windows Phone Revealed

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the if-you-want-one-please-explain dept.

Cellphones 211

DMiax writes "Nokia's controversial CEO Stephen Elop just revealed the prototype of the next WP7 handset. The CEO asked the journalists present to turn off the cameras because the new phone was 'super confidential.' Did he really expect them to comply? After all he must know that this has the potential to hurt the sales of the recently released N9, the last non-Windows Nokia smartphone. He would never want to do that, right?"

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211 comments

It's reverse psychology! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550738)

"This phone is super secret, don't say a word!" actually means "Please, please, please, please give us some press for this. Even bad press. Just anything you can say that isn't another iPhone or Android story is great."

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

kmckinlay (139593) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550784)

And those that don't comply with Elop's request are now on "double secret probation". If he really meant it he wouldn't have let cameras and smartphones into announcement.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Insightful)

sigipickl (595932) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551106)

If he really meant it, he wouldn't have shown the phone...

marketing fluff, nothing to see here.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551888)

It's sad that Slashdot put this story up. What more do they need to make this obviously not a leaked video? If it was "leaked" by someone with a camera phone, how did they get feed from the overhead camera? And how would the guy not see the people in the back with their cameras over their heads recording it? *sigh*

The sad thing is, this isn't a slashvertisement. It's just stupidity. :/

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

Meumeu (848638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552056)

If he really meant it he wouldn't have let cameras and smartphones into announcement.

If he really meant it he wouldn't have let journalists into announcement.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (5, Insightful)

wintersdark (1635191) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550806)

This.

Color me uninterested. Windows Phone is too little, too late. To an entrant in the mobile OS market this late, they need to come to the table with something that can generate enough wow on it's own accord to get the press it needs.

WP7 doesn't do this. It's arguably more or less on par with the existing OS's (though I'd certainly debate that) but it definitely doesn't have anything making it particularly appealing in comparison. Why give up the huge support base and massive app availability of Android or iOS for.. well, Something Else.

As it stands, WP7's only feature is that it isn't iOS or Android.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550896)

Why give up the huge support base and massive app availability of Android or iOS for.. well, Something Else.

on that note we should probably give up on OSX and desktop linux.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (-1, Troll)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551142)

on that note we should probably give up on OSX and desktop linux.

Nice astroturf effort, but you missed the bit where they said "it definitely doesn't have anything making it particularly appealing in comparison".

Seriously, go to a store and try a WP7 device.

You'll see straight away that it's a spectacularly pointless and boring device. Hell, look at the pic in TFA and tell me that is not the blandest, most banal looking OS ever shoehorned onto a tacky imitation of a Space Odyssey monolith.

Try to keep a straight face.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Interesting)

terjeber (856226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551542)

Seriously, go to a store and try a WP7 device

Take that advice. As a mobile developer I obviously have an iPhone, I have an Android device (actually more than one) and I got a WP7 device as soon as I could. My iPhone has always been my primary personal device. When I get a new phone, I always make my self use it as my primary device for a week to get to know it. I did that with my WP7 device too. Back in the beginning of this year. It's still my primary device, and I cringe every time I have to use the iPhone. Honestly, the UX is significantly better with WP7.

Are there things missing. Absolutely, but not enough to make me want to go back to the iPhone, and from what I gather, the missing will no longer be missing come Mango.

Things missing (1, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551730)

Like customers for your apps, for example.

Re:Things missing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551942)

No point trying to reply.

The Redmond Mod Squad is onto this discussion already.

Re:Things missing (4, Insightful)

williamhb (758070) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551986)

Like customers for your apps, for example.

Didn't spot the transparent strategy then? Hmm, Windows 8 apps look a lot like Windows Phone apps, and something similar is moving onto the XBox too...

The implication is that they intend Windows Phone apps will be the same apps you use on Windows 8 which will be the same apps you can access on XBox. The famous "three screens". And if you're not coding specifically for Windows, well standard HTML5 and Javascript apps will run just dandy on Windows 8 and the future version of Windows Phone too. I don't see there being a problem with getting apps, or with getting customers for your apps.

It's plain and simple leveraging from the PC market into the phone market. And my goodness there are a lot of Windows PC customers, and neither Google nor Apple have that advantage.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551786)

Recent quotes from terjeber.

See if you can spot a trend...

"Honestly, the UX is significantly better with WP7."

"Windows 7 as an operating system is significantly better protected than Linux"

"Windows is out ahead though. With a bit of a margin actually."

"Linux is a really bad fit for the desktop."

"Windows hasn't been that unstable since Windows 98."

"My personal workstation is a Windows XP thing"

"NET MVC beats both Play! and Spring hands down."

"you'll be significantly more productive with .NET than Java"

"compared to DirectX, OpenGL sucks."

MOD PARENT DOWN (-1, Troll)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552296)

It's yet more astroturf; this guy never misses an opportunity to shill obscenely for windows phone 7 and microsoft in general.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551172)

I can't speak for desktop linux, but OS X is showing steady market share growth for quite a few years now.

-jcr

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

cheeks5965 (1682996) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551398)

woosh!

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550924)

This.

Color me uninterested.

Let me color you: this (link from TFA) [com.com]
(looks like a blue shit).

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Interesting)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550980)

if you want not android and not ios there is already blackberry, which supports actual background multitasking at least back to OS 5 and i think OS4 did too, also RIM does not trust itself, if you install a RIM first party app from blackberry app world (RIM marketplace) it asks the same permissions requests that any other app does.

with a blackberry RIM recognizes that it is MY phone not theirs, i can install apps from the internet via blackberry browser and i can install apps via the BB desktop manager from my PC

Re:It's reverse psychology! (2)

SpryGuy (206254) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551066)

The version of WP7 that will ship with Nokia phones supports multitasking, at the same level as iOS. WP7 runs circles around RIM in most areas. And MS has embraced unlocking/jail-breaking as well, which will enable side-loading apps.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (0)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551508)

at the same level as iOS

That's a tricky statement, since iOS both does and does not support it. Most applications will simply continue to be killed outright. Anything that supports "multitasking" will be working through GCD, which requires Apple approval to use.

Does it actually support it at that level, or does it (as I've heard) do the Android thing and just halt the application while in the background?

And MS has embraced unlocking/jail-breaking as well, which will enable side-loading apps.

They have not. They are "rekindling" ChevronWP7, though how it will differ from before is up in the air. Certainly, it will not be like Android where you can freely sideload apps. First, it'll cost money. Then I imagine you will have to manually sign and upload software, possibly even compile and package them, as this is supposed to be a tool for developers. A hair better than Apple, still behind default Android and MeeGo.

Say what? (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551878)

Most applications will simply continue to be killed outright.

Most applications will NOT be killed, they will be suspended until the memory is needed by something else, then they will be pushed out of memory, gracefully, after getting a last chance to clean up.

MOST applications do not need multitasking to begin with. Of the ones that do, 99% of them can run in the background just fine in iOS.

Anything that supports "multitasking" will be working through GCD, which requires Apple approval to use.

Whoa. WTF? That's a really weird statement. It's not like Jobs is sitting in the background of GCD approving blocks that get onto queues.... Any IOS developer can use GCD, there is no need for special "Apple Approval" beyond the normal app review process.

They are "rekindling" ChevronWP7, though how it will differ from before is up in the air. Certainly, it will not be like Android where you can freely sideload apps.

I am assuming it will be exactly like that, possibly more secure though.

Then I imagine you will have to manually sign and upload software, possibly even compile and package them, as this is supposed to be a tool for developers.

WP7 developers can ALREADY deploy what they want onto phones, so obviously the effort to support the WP7 of "jail breaking" is for non-developers.

Re:Say what? (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552172)

Don't you just love the bs spread about Apple and this GCD just takes the cake in absurdity.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551642)

the same level as IOS, so it won't support it then?

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Insightful)

Meumeu (848638) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552070)

And MS has embraced unlocking/jail-breaking as well, which will enable side-loading apps.

If they actually embraced it, it wouldn't be called jailbreaking, it would be called sudo.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (3, Interesting)

xnpu (963139) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551686)

Really? Because I can't do jack with my Blackberry without signing up for a BIS or installing a BES. It seems to be MY phone only as long as I pay my RIM taxes.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (2)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551326)

but it definitely doesn't have anything making it particularly appealing in comparison.

It runs Microsoft office. Believe it or not, that might be enough, if they get all the other kinks worked out. Not that I want them to, I like seeing Microsoft fail (ooooh I'm bitter).

Re:It's reverse psychology! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551524)

ooooh I'm bitter

Yes you are. And also a fat flaming faggot.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

scream at the sky (989144) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552162)

In Canada at least the data plans for BIS and "SmartPhone" are the same cost with most carriers. RIM Data (well, email and IM only) is actually cheaper ($15/ month) than a 500MB data plan ($$25/ month)

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550894)

"This phone is super secret, don't say a word!" actually means "Please, please, please, please give us some press for this. Even bad press. Just anything you can say that isn't another iPhone or Android story is great."

With the continuation: "What? You have no camera on you? Did the guy at the entrance asked you to drop it? Here... have this WP7 phone, 't has a great camera"

Re:It's reverse psychology! (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550958)

They have to show they have /something/ that takes away the impression that the next "real Nokia phone" is going to be released sometime Q2 2012.

But to everyone else with two brain cell to rub together knows that a mock-up is not a product.

Elop is an idiot. Not only did he piss everyone off including the developers and every single customer, but he /also/ did an Osborne.

Where is the outrage? Where are the shareholder lawsuits?

--
BMO

Re:It's reverse psychology! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551540)

"Did an Osborne"? You mean sabotaging N9 sales with this? That's deliberate -- see, if the N9 sells like hotcakes, then his whole burning-platform bullshit is exposed as rubbish, Meego* is shown as the sane option, and WinPhone was a mistake -- which means he's a mistake.

If the N9 doesn't sell, and then the WinPhones don't sell either, he can just blame his predecessor for screwing the whole company into an unrecoverable mess, and stay at the helm until MS buys the collapsing company.

* Yeah, I know the N9's Harmattan is really an oddball Meego-compatible Maemo OS, not true Meego. But what I mean is the pre-existing Nokia strategy for moving from Maemo for semi-experimental niche devices (N8x0, N900) and Symbian for other phones to Meego for all high-end phones -- if the N9 sells, it validates that, and there's no reason to suppose things would have failed when they brought out a whole range of true Meego devices next year.

Re:It's reverse psychology! (0)

terjeber (856226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551572)

Elop is an idiot

Compared to who, at Nokia specifically. Nokia has been scrambling for years to get something going. It hasn't happened. Everything out of Nokia since the release of the iPhone has been a sad joke, and it continues to be a sad joke. The Nokia SW Engineering team proved beyond any possible doubt that they simply did not have what it takes to build smart-phone software. Meeh-Too is a joke.

I would like to see a suggestion about what Nokia should have done. Symbian was in a coma, Meeh-Too was rotting on the vine. Nobody at Nokia was taking it seriously. Elop's gamble is not huge.

Nokia should have went Android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36552164)

Nokia has always produced decent phones hardware-wise (I've owned phones from Nokia, Siemens, Samsung, LG... and Nokia phones have always been most durable and had least defects. With few exceptions, their battery life has also been at the top). They have also always embraced openness (linux-based OS:es, large support for many open source projects, etc...). When they decided "Okay, we can't deliver with any of our in-house OS:es..." it really boggles the mind that they chose MS over Android. With Android, Nokia would have boosted the adoption of the OS by a massive amount which would have led to more apps, etc... I don't see how that could have failed, really. Instead they are gambling by trying to enter a mature market with a new software from a company that has a tradition of making horrible software for phones... Elop isn't an idiot but he certainly is favoring the interests of his former employer over the interests of his current one.

Somehow... (4, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550802)

I find it hard to believe that something being announced to the press is "super confidential." One more subtraction from Nokia's credibility score.

Re:Somehow... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551048)

The gadget blogger sites missed an opportunity here to cut off Elop's spiel after ten seconds and interjecting, "Well, the CEO of Nokia said very emphatically that he didn't want his demo of their new phone to be shown. So instead, we'll show you a few things their competitors have been working on..."

"To hurt the N9?" (1, Interesting)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550804)

Nokia has been pretty upfront ever since the announcement of the move to WP7 that it was their primary smartphone OS, and MeeGo was mainly an experiment. I really doubt that Nokia gives much of a fuck if this WP7 device hurts the N9 at all, especially since they appear to be almost identical in hardware.

Re:"To hurt the N9?" (1)

michiko (2270072) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551732)

Re:"To hurt the N9?" (1)

kakarote (2294232) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551744)

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Re:"To hurt the N9?" (1)

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Re:"To hurt the N9?" (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552084)

Dude! Nokia is old people [ebaumsworld.com] .

N9? (1, Interesting)

js3 (319268) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550832)

Isn't this the phone everyone raves about but nobody wants to buy?

Re:N9? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550880)

Yes, that's one of them. I can't tell you about the other one, because it's super confidential, so no one even raves about it.

Re:N9? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550932)

Almighty Tallest 1It's a planet so secret that no one knows its name!

Almighty Tallest 2And those who do dare not speak it!

ZimWhat's its name?

Almighty Tallest 2Oh, I dare not speak it!

Re:N9? (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550922)

Well... No matter how good it is, Nokia has said "it is over and we are dumping it as soon as we can. We didn't even really want to do this one, but we had to." Knowing that, does it matter how good it is? Why buy a phone that you KNOW will not be supported well, or long?

Re:N9? (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550954)

Because it's the only commonly available follow up to the N900. After that it's only devices running WP7 from Nokia, at which point I will cease ever being a customer.

At least now we know the exact terms of the deal.

Re:N9? (3, Interesting)

DemonGenius (2247652) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551012)

Why buy a phone that you KNOW will not be supported well, or long?

Given the open source nature of Meego, I'm guessing Nokia is expecting the community to pick up the slack here. The Nokia Qt SDK is readily available and from what I've seen in the few hours playing with it, seems like a decent framework for developing "apps" for Meego. While that's all fine and dandy, it would be nice if there was a little official support so that developers can concentrate on writing "apps" and less time fixing bugs and implementing features Nokia should be handling themselves.

Re:N9? (4, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551162)

it would be nice if there was a little official support so that developers can concentrate on writing "apps" and less time fixing bugs and implementing features Nokia should be handling themselves.

The stock software on the device is a mix of the old Maemo understructure and a proprietary upper layer (the part that integrates all the social media services) that the community can't do anything with themselves.

Before long I expect MeeGo (as in, MeeGo Community Edition) to be up and running with full functionality on the device, which should be nice and fully functional by the time Nokia decides to give up the ghost completely.

Re:N9? (3, Interesting)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551234)

And then? Open source is great and so - but software is nothing without hardware it can be installed on.

Mobile phones are devices, not exactly what I see as a platform to install a different OS on.

Also while it may have a nice framework for app development, with a user base of 2 there will not be many app developers interested in working on the platform. Some hobbyists maybe, but nothing to take serious.

Really without at least one major phone maker behind it, MeeGo is going to die. Open source or not, it's going to die. Sad but true. Android is the future, iOS a good second (will be second due to it's restriction to Apple devices), WP7 may survive thanks to the deep pockets of Microsoft, but for the rest... well... what rest?

Re:N9? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551298)

It will run on rooted Android phones. Or will even dual-boot on them.
I am sure, there will be plenty of unlockable Android phones.

Re:N9? (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551346)

It will run on rooted Android phones. Or will even dual-boot on them. I am sure, there will be plenty of unlockable Android phones.

You still need drivers for all the hardware, it's not just a case of loading the OS onto a different phone.

Re:N9? (2)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551496)

And thankfully all hardware in Android phones has Linux drivers.

Re:N9? (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551516)

To some degree. The drivers tend to be messes that don't ever end up in the upstream kernel so they rot as the kernel moves on. Then you have the problem of graphics drivers existing in userspace, which leaves you in a lurch with things like MeeGo that use glibc and your only graphics library is compiled against Android's Bionic.

Re:N9? (2)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551358)

Now, honest question: why in the world would someone want to dual-boot their PHONE?

For a PC I can somewhat imagine it: key applications available only on the other platform (dual booting into Windows to play games, for example, if it can't be solved by running Windows in VirtualBox like I have to do for e-banking).

Android is running on iPhones too (and I wouldn't be surprised if someone got it working on an iPad). There are plenty of rooted iPhones. But are there really people buying an iPhone to run Android on it? Or is anyone dual-booting their iPhone?

Sorry but except for a very small group of hard-core enthusiasts I don't see this idea take off, at all.

Re:N9? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551512)

Now, honest question: why in the world would someone want to dual-boot their PHONE?

For development, or to import-export data in some asshole format that is only accessible through a library that runs under some particular system.

Re:N9? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551700)

It's a reason, though it definitely falls within the "group of hard-core enthusiasts" category...

Re:N9? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551472)

I think you mean "runs on" as it is already booting on most ARM platforms to some degree.

The biggest hindrance to complete operation these days seems to be limited to graphics drivers.

Re:N9? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551522)

Mobile phones are devices, not exactly what I see as a platform to install a different OS on.

But nonetheless they are. Not everyone will do it, but then, few people install different OSes on the computers they have.

Android is the future, iOS a good second (will be second due to it's restriction to Apple devices), WP7 may survive thanks to the deep pockets of Microsoft, but for the rest... well... what rest?

Well, since two out of three would be happy to see Free Software, open systems, and open source in general die, it looks bad. And Android is a weak form of open source that isn't really all that helpful except to Google.

Re:N9? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551768)

Well, since two out of three would be happy to see Free Software, open systems, and open source in general die, it looks bad. And Android is a weak form of open source that isn't really all that helpful except to Google.

True. And I also find it sad to see a promising platform like MeeGo die. Not just because it's open source, also because we're not exactly spoilt for choice in the smartphone/tablet world. Sure there are dozens of handsets, a great choice of hardware, but just two serious software platforms running on it.

And when looking at choice, there is only one platform with a lot of choice, and that's a contradiction in terms really.

We have Apple with their iPhone (with just a few slightly different versions on the market) and iOS.

We have BlackBerry with their line of phones, and their own OS. They're not doing so well recently.

Microsoft with it's WP7 platform. It's available on a handful of phones, and Nokia is trying to make it work on their phones (they haven't released a single product yet).

Nokia with remnants of their Symbian and MeeGo offerings - as long as stocks last.

And then there is the plethora of offerings running Android. The hardware is different, the OS is the same (save some minor branding in the UI).

So much for choice... you only have a reasonable choice if you choose Android. One choice if you like iOS (a good choice if you like iOS for sure - but also an expensive one).

Re:N9? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551702)

I'll buy it, unless the N950 materialises.

I 3 my N900 as it's basically a pocket sized computer with added phone function. The N9 is pretty and has better hardware than the N900 (though the processor is still something of a disappointment compared to the rest of the market), but it lacks the physical keyboard I like.

And yes, I know, you can get some tiny bluetooth keyboards these days, but it's still an extra thing to carry.

The N950 is supposed to be the same hardware as the N9, plus keyboard but minus teh pretty. I'll end up with one or the other most likely.

Nokia? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550914)

Is Nokia still around?

Re:Nokia? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551054)

Yeah, they're only the biggest vendor of smartphones in the market. Life does exist outside the US....

Re:Nokia? (1)

alci63 (1856480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36552210)

Well, they probably are, but here in France, they are doomed to provide low end phone (the ones you get for 1 € if you really don't care). Every exciting phone has been Samsung, Apple or even LG for at least 3 years...

Re:Nokia? (1)

michiko (2270072) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551806)

check http://ow.ly/5nrhM [ow.ly] .. if u r confused .!?

What a retard (1, Insightful)

BroadbandBradley (237267) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550920)

how can he expect anyone to take him literally and not see the real plea for publicity cloaked in a poorly executed attempt at reverse psychology?

oh wait, this is for windows users who enjoy the Microsoft experience, makes perfect sense, carry on.

Re:What a retard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551290)

oh wait, this is for windows users who enjoy the Microsoft experience, makes perfect sense, carry on.

haha unlike us mac users amirite? Driving our Priuses to the Genius Bar. Thank Steve we can get an applause and hi-fives from the staff when we buy something at an Apple Store to really make us feel good, sure it might seem gay to everyone else but we know the truth, it really bolsters your self-worth to be a part of that. Peace :)

Unfortunate (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36550950)

It's too bad it's not running Android, since with WP7 nobody will buy it and stores (like with current WP7 phones) will just hide it in the back.

There's a reason Android is selling 400,000 phones every day and WP7 is selling 400.

Re:Unfortunate (2, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551200)

On the bright side for MS, they can hardly do any worse than they did with the Kin.

Re:Unfortunate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551708)

It's too bad it's not running Android, since with WP7 nobody will buy it and stores (like with current WP7 phones) will just hide it in the back.

There's a reason Android is selling 400,000 phones every day and WP7 is selling 400.

[citation] --- ?

Can't really hurt the N9... (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36550998)

At least, not any more than Elop has hurt it already. If anything, this mad scramble and poor demo was his immediate reaction to interfere with and disrupt the positive press that built around the N9 and Harmattan. It had such a good immediate demo and favorable reviews that people were quickly looking at Elop as a complete fool, instead of the mere tool that he is.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (2)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551250)

Being a mere tool, doesn't that imply he's a fool? Except that he'll get a nice salary for being a fool. And a tool. So maybe he's not that big of a fool after all.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551352)

Since when having money makes someone smarter?

I thought it was the opposite... i.e. not having money makes one smarter.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (5, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551464)

My point is that he's a tool. He isn't supposed to think for himself, or do what 's best for his company. He's doing what's best to drive his company into a weak position so that they are dependent on Microsoft. His reaction here is to undermine the notion that Nokia could actually exist without the Microsoft dependency.

He is a tool, wielded by Microsoft.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551890)

What you say may or may not be true but it was the Nokia before him that got themselves in a position where they could be run by a "tool".

Self-determination always belongs to the clever and successful, Nokia has shown to be neither in the last few years.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (0)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551338)

The N9 hurt itself by being Nokia's typically unusable mess. I mean let's be honest here - nerds who think UI peaked in the 70s loved it, and while I know there are dozens of you, that's not gonna sustain a technology market.

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551454)

let's be honest here - nerds who think UI peaked in the 70s loved it, and while I know there are dozens of you, that's not gonna sustain a technology market.

And people who insist that the WP7 UI is somehow superior (despite the fact that you'll constantly be scrolling to read text that hangs off the screen) aren't either. There's nothing SPECIAL about the WP7 UI, similar things could be implemented on other platforms.

Or perhaps you can show me how exactly what we've seen falls apart?

Re:Can't really hurt the N9... (2)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551568)

It's a pity that this can't be used by Nokia sharholders as more proof that he's trying to damage the company to reduce it's sale price.

Metro is ugly as sin. (3, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551214)

That metro calendar reminds me of really shitty websites from the 90's. Calendars should be on a light background and you should use a high contrast colour for the text to stand out from the background instead of blending into it.

The entire metro "experience" reminds me of many flash websites from the late 90's to early 2000's and it will not scale well to other latin character set languages let alone non-latin ones like Chinese and Japanese.

Nokia made a huge mistake hiring Stephen Elop and going with WIndows Phone 7. They should have chosen either Maemo or Meego, ported the Symbian UI framework for backwards compatibility and developed a modern competitive UI to compete with iOS and Android.

I'll never buy a Nokia device regardless of OS.

Before you label me as a blind Nokia hater, my second cellphone was a Nokia (first being a Motorola "Brick" flip phone). I am also a Finnish citizen so I would like to see Nokia find a way to survive. I just don't see Windows Phone 7 as the right way forward.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551282)

If color is all you're on about, you can choose the light theme and the background (system-wide) is white. The dark theme is on by default, partly for style and partly because it's more energy efficient on the AMOLED screens.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (1, Interesting)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551416)

If color is all you're on about, you can choose the light theme and the background (system-wide) is white. The dark theme is on by default, partly for style and partly because it's more energy efficient on the AMOLED screens.

So then everything is they the opposite might not be what someone wants either. You also don't address the fact that Metro is typography heavy which means it is English centric effectively.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551494)

Why, specifically, does typography-heavy design make it so bad for east asian languages? Seems to me like it would make things better.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (2)

terjeber (856226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551602)

Sigh.

If the color is not to your liking, you change it. That was what he was trying to explain to you. Now that you realize color can be changed, that is no good either?

Metro isn't any more typography heavy than any other mobile OS. English centric? In what way specifically? You are desperately making up stuff as you go, are you not?

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (2)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551742)

Sigh.

If the color is not to your liking, you change it. That was what he was trying to explain to you. Now that you realize color can be changed, that is no good either?

Metro isn't any more typography heavy than any other mobile OS. English centric? In what way specifically? You are desperately making up stuff as you go, are you not?

It has "hubs" with Textual heading which might or might not make sense in non-Latin1 languages especially if some of the glyphs are cut off.

Hubs are a bad idea.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551426)

clueless [thenextweb.com] .

Wanting what you cannot have (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551910)

They should have chosen either Maemo or Meego, ported the Symbian UI framework for backwards compatibility and developed a modern competitive UI to compete with iOS and Android.

That is pretty much what they tried to do though, and the thing is they simply could not do it. I do not understand the reasons why exactly, but it's not like Nokia did not see this same fact and try. It's sad they could not succeed at all, but WP7 really was the best path forward for Nokia - with Android they would have been a vendor very late to the game, tied to Microsoft they at least have the chance to affect development and direction of the platform as a preferred hardware vendor.

Microsoft seems like they are coming into this late but do not count them out. They have a LOT of money and they have to make something hit, and WP7 is actually a pretty decent base to build on once they catch up the internals.

Re:Metro is ugly as sin. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36552292)

What a trollish post and you even got a +5 "Interesting" for it.... If there's something flashy that reminds the 90's is Android and don't let me start with the icon grid that both Android and iOS shares. Metro is actually a great interface, much more relevant that the other two. But you have to use it, of course, instead of pursuing your bashing agenda...

Just a little bit of history repeating (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551222)

Irrelevant (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551342)

There won't be many Symbian, Android, iOS, etc. users buying WP7 phones. WP7 purchasers will mostly be existing Windows phone users and unlucky smartphone n00bs. M$ bought Nokia's industry connections, not Nokia's (ex)users.

Re:Just a little bit of history repeating (2)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551350)

...term referring to the unintended consequence...

Emphasis added. This almost certainly was intentional, so I hereby coin the term Elop Effect.

Re:Just a little bit of history repeating (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551724)

The reason it doesn't matter (and why Microsoft is different than Osborne): people actually wanted to buy Osbornes. :)

Moster beats by Dr.Dre solo hd (0)

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Oh come ON (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551322)

The CEO asked the journalists present to turn off the cameras because the new phone was 'super confidential.'

Seriously - the guy gives a presentation to a bunch of journalists - who I assume weren't just randomly milling around on the street before the Nokia folks brought out a podium and a microphone - and says "Hey!! Here's our super-secret WINDOWS PHONE! Ssh! Don't tell anyone!" Is there anyone in the world with a greater than room temperature IQ that'd actually fall for that? (and yes, that's room temperature in Celsius)

I see the former Microsoftie has brought along those mad Microsoft advertizing skillz for which the company is renowned...

Re:Oh come ON (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551666)

You underestimate how easily reporters are led by the nose and manipulated. These are journalists, after all. If they were smart they wouldn't have been RTF majors.

Success is their worst enemy (0)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551564)

Microsoft is copying Apple again and getting into the retail market with their own products.

If Nokia's phone is successful, they are simply doing the heavy lifting for Microsoft's own product entry.

They'll be just another in the long list of companies that Microsoft has trampled in their mad rush for supremacy.

Re:Success is their worst enemy (-1, Troll)

terjeber (856226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551612)

Microsoft is copying Apple again and getting into the retail market with their own products.

Are you on drugs? Exactly how is Microsoft copying Apple here? Seriously. Stop doing drugs.

Re:Success is their worst enemy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551764)

Microsoft is copying Apple again and getting into the retail market with their own products.

Are you on drugs? Exactly how is Microsoft copying Apple here? Seriously. Stop doing drugs.

Apple invented mobile phones, you ignorant unbeliever.

Re:Success is their worst enemy (1, Flamebait)

terjeber (856226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551628)

They'll be just another in the long list of companies that Microsoft has trampled in their mad rush for supremacy.

Yeah, you are right. All companies that are involved with Microsoft get trampled. Companies like Dell, Asus and all the other PC makers that Microsoft trampled in their mad rush for supremacy. They were simply doing the heavy lifting for Microsoft's own product entry. As I said, stop doing drugs and stop washing them down with that kool-aid.

Give them some credit. (4, Insightful)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551694)

I realize people love to dump on Microsoft, so they're going to be dismissive of Windows Phone 7 without even having tried it. It's the total opposite of how people respond to the iPhone. Anytime someone asks for suggestions for a smartphone people default to the iPhone like mindless drones.

I have an Android phone which I'm extremely happy with. However, a friend recently got a WP7 phone which finally gave me an opportunity to give it a try. I was extremely impressed. I felt like Microsoft, moreso than either Google or Apple actually put thought into usability, into how people will interact with the phone. Menus and settings are clear and better organized and the interface seems more consistent. I can navigate more efficiently and there seems to a good amount of customization. And I'll give them credit for not just going and cloning Android and iOS's look. Blackberries might offer some great functionality, but in terms of usability they aren't even in the same galaxy as their competitors.

Of course, not having to actually live with the phone I can't speak to how I'd feel about WP7 over the long run, if I'd find it as satisfying an experience as Android. My point is that Microsoft deserves quite a bit more credit than they're getting for this OS. I've found that friends of mine who've actually used a WP7 phone have been quite impressed.

Journalists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551798)

This looks like it was an internal meeting, not journos.

Also the fact that the camera switches/pans/etc suggests that this was professionally recorded, this wasn't some dude recording on his iPhone.

Employees not Journalists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36551920)

It seems some of you did not watch the video presentation. It was more like a product update for Nokia employees, rather than for journalists. The posted video was probably for internal circulation, leaked either intentionally or by a disgruntled/overly excited employee.

How appropriate (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36551960)

I've just realized - Stephen Elop is only one letter away from 'flop'...

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