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Australian ISPs To Start Filtering the Internet

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the demonization-lessons-going-well dept.

Censorship 151

daria42 writes "Australia's controversial mandatory internet filtering scheme may be on the backburner for now, but that doesn't mean it's gone entirely. In the next month, the country's two largest ISPs, Telstra and Optus, will start voluntarily filtering users' connections for a list of URLs containing child pornography. The only thing is, the users themselves don't seem to have much choice in the matter — and as the Electronic Freedom Foundation points out — there are no avenues for appeal for those websites which may feel they've been unfairly blocked."

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Dupe isn't even a day old!! (4, Informative)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553624)

Like seriously it's almost on the same page WTF Editors! [slashdot.org]

Re:Dupe isn't even a day old!! (1)

tecker (793737) | more than 2 years ago | (#36554488)

Dupe isn't even a day old!!

Oh I am going to be modded into oblivion for this, and likely loose some karma, but it was actually ~27 hours (4:20 am for article1 on 6-23, 7:19am for article2 on 6-24).

However this trend is quickly becoming problematic and approaching same front page dupes and soon both in the 15 count RSS feed. Do the editors even read the site?

Again ? (4, Funny)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553642)

Maybe the editors are in Australia and the previous story [slashdot.org] was censored there ?

Re:Again ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553680)

Maybe the editors are in Australia and the previous story [slashdot.org] was censored there ?

What previous story?
And why post a dead link?

Re:Again ? (1)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553906)

It's not going to be long before we are behing the great kangaroo firewall while this dipshit Conroy is around.

Actually, they do. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553656)

"The only thing is, the users themselves don't seem to have much choice in the matter"

They could switch to a different ISP if they had any sense. Though anyone still on Telstra these days is demonstrably lacking in that.

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553694)

Is Australia really so fortunate that the users have the ability to switch? In many cities here in the USA, you've got unimpressive cable internet and if you're in the right spot, even worse DSL as an option. I've always been under the impression that people in the rest of the anglophone world were trapped in similar situations.

Re:Actually, they do. (2, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553834)

Is Australia really so fortunate that the users have the ability to switch?.

Sort of. The local copper loop to the home is generally owned by Telstra, but the federal government mandates that they must lease access to other service providers. The price is fixed and both sides complain more or less continually that it is either too high or too low. My internet service comes from comcen through telstra wires which must be 30 or 40 years old. Optus and Telstra both have co-axial cable to many homes but the cable services are more expensive than ADSL through copper, possibly due to there being less competition and regulation.

Re:Actually, they do. (2)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 2 years ago | (#36555880)

Also, for those of us not on a wired connection, Telstra mostly offers far better mobile connections to rural and remote areas which are prohibitively expensive to connect with DSL or cable. The trouble with Australia is that a disproportionately large proportion of the population lives in only half a dozen cities, so if you opt to live out of the main stream, you also have to live with the fact that the telcos will just pass you by. Internode fills a lot of gaps (very well indeed), but even they struggle when there isn't even a phone pole within 5 km of your property.

Here in the Uk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553910)

I have a lot of choices in how I can get my fix of Internet.
If you live in a decent sized town there are 20+ different ISP you could sign up to.
Of course there is Cable (Where available) but that IMHO sucks.
With DSL we have this thing called LLU. Local Loop Unbundling. BT (who owns the exhanges) is forced to allow other companies to put their kit in the exchanges. My local exchange has kit from TalkTalk, Be, PlusNet, Sky and possibly a few others.
I've just upgraded to FTTC. Fibre to the Cabinet. My speed has gone from 4.5Mbits to 32.5Mbits.

Our mobile data plans are also in a different league to the US. Just go to www.three.co.uk and see for yourself. I'm on a 15Gb for £15/month plan. This is for my MiFi mobile wifi hotspot. It allows several PC's, Laptop, Tables to share the same connection.

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

kirbysuperstar (1198939) | more than 2 years ago | (#36554642)

Generally. In some cases you're just plain SOL. For example, I live in a proper, built up area (Palm Beach, QLD), but my nearest exchange is 3KM away, so ADSL2 is next to pointless. I could get cable, but the prices for that are disgusting. The best I can do without loosening my belt and bending over every time the bill comes in is 1500kbps ADSL1. But oh, the glorious NBN will save me! Damn it.

Re:Actually, they do. (2)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#36555456)

Dual American and Australian citizen here with houses in both countries, so I have some knowledge about this.

In general, yes, Australia is that fortunate. Note that I say 'in general' - there will no doubt be some indignant person in Australia that replies to this and says "I can only get Telstra". But if you live in the major cities that contain ~90% of Australia's population, and you have a phone line, you almost always have a choice of anywhere between half a dozen, and 20+ ISPs. The reason for this is that, although Telstra owns the last-mile copper phone lines to people's houses, they are mandated by law that they must wholesale access to that infrastructure to any other ISP who wants it. Thus, most people DO have a fairly wide choice of available ISPs (some may simply be reselling Telstra's access, but that's good enough if your aim is simply to change to an ISP that doesn't do this filtering).

There are a lot of things wrong with the state of broadband in Australia: slow speeds due to aging infrastructure, congestion due to underinvestment in backhaul and wide deployment of RIMs during the 90s (which are fine for lines used for voice/dialup, but block xDSL connections) etc. Restrictive download caps also used to be a problem, though now you can affordably get multi-hundred-GB caps and some ISPs are offering 1TB+ per month, so I think caps are quickly becoming a non-issue. BUT - ~choice~ of ISP is generally, one thing that is far better in Australia than in the US.

Comparison: my place in the US and my place in Australia are both in small-mid sized cities, roughly comparable in population. I have a choice of over 20 ADSL2+ (up to 24 Mbps) ISPs at my place in Australia. In the US I have a choice of precisely 1 DSL provider, and at only 6 Mbps! (AT&T). There is also a choice of precisely 1 cable provider (which, although faster than the US DSL connection, is only roughly as fast as the ADSL2+ connection I have in Australia and costs almost 3 times as much).

So yeah, basically, Australian internet is screwed up in many, many ways. But choice and speeds are, on average, better than in the US. (Unless you are lucky enough to be in a FiOS enabled area in the US ... wish i was!)

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

_4rp4n3t (1617415) | more than 2 years ago | (#36565598)

Yes, with the caveat that when you sign up with Optus for ADSL you typically have to enter into a 24 month contract with the vendor, so might be a bit of a wait until you can switch.

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553728)

Ahh, this is such a great canard. Do all people have such a choice? And how long until they are all filtering so that even the people with a choice lose them?

Re:Actually, they do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553842)

No, not all people have the choice, but the vast majority do. Greater than 99.9%. Only a few obscure rural areas are exclusively telstra-serviced. Australia's present broadband is almost entirely ADSL, not cable.

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553882)

I think his question being that if telstra owns the wires, how long before telestra enforces filtering on everyone using them, just like bell canada throttling the users of ISPs reselling bell canada lines.

Re:Actually, they do. (1)

dwywit (1109409) | more than 2 years ago | (#36564912)

There's a lot of sense in what you say about Telstra/bigpond, and a lot of nonsense. Fortunately I live in an area where the alternatives are viable - westnet/iinet, for example. Not everyone is lucky to have that - Optus is lamentable, and I never recommend them to my customers.
 
If the choice is telstra/bigpond vs. optus, then optus miss out. If I can steer people towards westnet, iinet, or even harboursat, I will.

s/freedom/frontier/ (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553670)

Electronic FRONTIER Foundation. Way to be slashdot

How do they know (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553712)

That it will be child pornography?

Competitors, political dissidents, sites who pay to block opponents etc. Sounds like a fabulous opportunity to me.

Re:How do they know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553744)

Here's hoping they ban 4chan ;D

Re:How do they know (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 2 years ago | (#36554028)

4chan already censors child pornography, so this wouldn't really serve any purpose except providing unnecessary censorship to mostly innocent (albeit mildly depraved) people. And before someone tries correcting me saying "what about Anonymous hackers?", Anonymous's underground has nothing to do with 4chan, except hold them in contempt.

Re:How do they know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553902)

As somebody who is not a paedophile, but who was sexually active starting at a young(single-digit) age, I've never quite understood why sexual depictions of minors are perceived as inherently evil. I believe that rape is bad in all cases, but I remain unconvinced of the claim that voluntary pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

Re:How do they know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36554954)

I agree that legislation is is often a motivated by a perverse sexual jealously directed towards children, but I'm pretty sure kiddie porn usually depicts adults raping children and not two eight-year-olds lovingly embracing. Don't see how you can think children in pedo relationships can ever not be harmed when the parts don't even fit and all of them are end up traumatized. It might be different for kids in their early teens in some cases, but now that marriage happens so late it is too far outside social norms not to be illegal.

Very naive (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553736)

So they filter a URL. The same service can be accessed from different host names, some of them obtained from public domain name servers, some of then not. The users could use an alternate DNS root with a totally different idea of the names given to web sites, as long as the servers are configured appropriately. So say Telstra thinks a particular site is called a.cp.com but my DNS which sits between me and the internet calls it b.pc.com and the server knows this name as well. Telstra never heard of it so they won't filter it. Eventually authorities will access the feed of alternate host names but by then the market will have moved on.

I can't see this accomplishing anything.

Re:Very naive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553768)

Pedophile spotted. SWARM! SWARM!

They ought to be filtering vs. malware & botne (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553756)

As all ISP/BSP's should be doing as well. This is entirely doable (and will stop most folks from "blundering into" those places) via DNSBL (for starters).

* I don't understand why that's never been undertaken "en masse", because it IS doable (Norton DNS does it in fact & I suggest using it IF you don't like being infested by botnets &/or malware)...

I use it, it helps, & by ALL means.

I combine it with:

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1.) System security-hardening:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=HOW+TO+Secure+Windows+2000%2FXP&btnG=Google+Search [google.com]

2.) Firewall rules tables (for blocking IP address based attackers)

3.) A custom HOSTS file that currently blocks 1,445,326++ (growing all the time, hence the incrementor C/C++ operator) KNOWN bad sites/servers/hosts-domains, from 15 reputable sources online!

4.) Std. stuff too, or it should be @ least nowadays, in AntiVirus/AntiMalware resident programs (Microsoft Security Essentials is what I use in this capacity, as it's free, & works + is VERY regularly updated (like 4-5x a day or more)).

For "layered security" (the best thing we have going currently)

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(So - Yes: The data for that IS out there, you just have to use it - not usually "automated" though) via a PyThon system my nephew & I co-wrote (write once, run anywhere is why, moved from a Delphi model I wrote & used 2004-2010)).

DNSBL filters? They & data FOR they IS out there too ( & converting data I use for a HOSTS file isn't tough either for that purpose...)

So, IF I CAN DO IT?? Why can't these governmental & ISP/BSP's do it via DNSBL as I noted, & for the "common man/Joe Public" also???

(I mean, face it - MOST of the time? Filtering online's done to STOMP the little guy, & done in the name of big industries or gov't.'s trying to suppress "dissidents" instead... @ least that's what I've been seeing - how about you?)

Thoughts?

APK

P.S.=> The "downside"? It'd probably affect a LOT of IT jobs in say, removal of malware/virus/spyware/botnet infestations... but, so what?? There's always other things we geeks do during the day (though while working those jobs, a good 85% of your day was battling those)... not doing it? It's like saying:

"Yes, we CAN cure cancer - but, it would put a lot of doctors out of work"

Take your pick there - which is the lesser of 2 evils? Putting doctors out of work imo, but again, they TOO have other maladies to deal with (so they would STILL HAVE WORK, period)

... apk

Re:They ought to be filtering vs. malware & bo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553816)

>Norton DNS does it in fact & I suggest using it
>I suggest using Norton

Nope.

Explain & define that "nope" reply please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36554150)

"Nope." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 24, @08:45AM (#36553816)

Do so on "techincal computing grounds" (for lack of a better expression/turn of a phrase on my part here)...

Not just some silly vendetta or just for trolling - what a stupid word for harassment attempts!

No, don't just "downmod & run", like some people do here:

E.G.-> countertrolling & how he downmoderates posts by not being logged in as his "registered 'LUSER'" account here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 [slashdot.org] as an "example thereof" - that entire bunch in tomhudson, gmhowell, jeremiah cornelius, webmistressrachel, & a few others (sock puppets mostly) are NOTORIOUS for it.

* Thank you...

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Oh, & by the by/lastly/in-closing:

NortonDNS does do filtering vs. known purveyors of malware via DNSBL site filtering, and vs. botnet C&C servers (& other forms of servers they use also) - See here -> http://nortondns.com/ [nortondns.com]

Sooo... see my subject-line above!

APK

P.S.=> Hey - IF the "best you have" is blowing your mod points on downmoderating a post designed to help others?

You've proved I may be correct that only a malware-maker/botnet master would be interested in suppressing it really, who else would?

Besides: Others here will see it regardless & that's my end-game/goal (in spreading this type of good info. here anyhow)

... apk

Care to explain the downmoderation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36553868)

Whoever downmoderated my post should have the courage to speak their mind on reasons for downmoderating my post, based on errors in technical information in computing

(Additionally, should said "courageous hero" (lol, not) have the balls to reply? Do so... & not just some silly vendetta, or being a troll with off-topic adhominem attacks - do so based on what you feel is in error in my posting (IF You can)).

I suppose I can be happy you're blowing them that way though, & wasting them.

* In any event? See subject-line, & thank you!

APK

P.S.=> I mean, lol, hey: If the "best you've got" is hit & run down moderations of a post, then you've made my point(s) above!

Otherwise? I can only suspect that some malware maker/botnet master is behind the wheel of this unjust downmoderation.

... apk

Re:Care to explain the downmoderation? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 2 years ago | (#36554420)

Whoever downmoderated my post should have the courage to speak their mind on reasons for downmoderating my post, based on errors in technical information in computing

Nice trick. Of course, would he do so, his moderation would be undone (and all other moderations which he did on any other post on this story, too). Thus Slashdot actively discourages anyone explaining his moderation (unless he actually wants to undo it because it was an accident, but then even then he is discouraged from doing so if he's moderated any other post under the same story, because that one would be undone, too).

countertrolling, tomhudson, gmhowell & others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36555024)

do it all the time, and they don't undo moderations. See this:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 [slashdot.org]

As an "example thereof" - that entire bunch in tomhudson, gmhowell, jeremiah cornelius, webmistressrachel, & a few others (sock puppets mostly) are NOTORIOUS for it.

Says it all for me: Your reply only proves my point also that effete downmoderations that aren't jusitified by on topic computing related critique, are just that: Weak, & useless!

(After all - You saw my post, & replied... proof's in the pudding!)

APK

P.S.=> They're a pack of "Pro-*NIX" trolling scum that infests this forums. tomhudson even has a domain called TROLLTALK.COM, for Pete's sake...

Now, that name for a domain alone helps my statements in & of itself...

... apk

Re:They ought to be filtering vs. malware & bo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36555832)

Shut up APK. Nobody cares.

tomhudson ac "stalk/troll" replies, again? LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36557156)

I'll let tomhudson speak for hiimself via quote on that account:
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#1

"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544 [slashdot.org]

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#2

HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step

"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal

QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122 [slashdot.org]

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#3

"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal

QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680 [slashdot.org]

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"Shut up APK. Nobody cares." - by Anonymous Coward ( most likely tomhudson, see above ) on Friday June 24, @10:55AM (#36555832)

Ahem: to this next below? Read (your logic is typical forums troll "illogic" tomhudson):

* Seems others do care, as you replied tomhudson, as well as maxwell demon (much to YOUR dismay, see his reply).

APK

P.S.=> "3 strikes, you're OUT" tomhudson - you always give away your "std. modus operandi", everytime, reacting the ONLY WAY YOU KNOW HOW - ac trolling/stalking replies harassing myself, and others shown here, in damn_registars own journal no less:

Titled Tomhudson did you do this? here http://slashdot.org/journal/266852/Did-You-Do-This-TomHudson [slashdot.org]

Everyone KNOWS your tricks here tomhudson, including how you & yours "mod one another up" via sockpuppet accounts or just normal reg'd accounts here, and how you downmoderate others also!

(shown by countertrolling your pal/sockpuppet here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 [slashdot.org] )

You only did this, to yourself, tomhudson, nobody else!

... apk

Re:tomhudson ac "stalk/troll" replies, again? LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36557588)

Not tomhudson. Shut up APK. Nobody cares.

Evidently U DO CARE tom, & more ac troll repli (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36557774)

See subject-line & your ac troll/stalk plans requoted:

"Not tomhudson. " - by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 24, @12:26PM (#36557588)

"Sure tom, sure": See your own words quoted on that note here once again on how you operate around here tomhudson:

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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544 [slashdot.org]

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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step

The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122 [slashdot.org]

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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680 [slashdot.org]

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3 times tomhudson? It appears you're the cyberstalker, & you're trying to tell us you're not?? LMAO, come on!

APK

P.S.=> Give us, and yourself most of all, a break - you're destroying your credibility, AND your "troll credibility" too (which you ought to, you suck @ it)

... apk

"Vi veri universum vivus vici" - V 4 Vendetta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36559302)

See subject-line, & translate (By the power of truth, while living, I have conquered the UNIVERSE!)...

Thank-you for your time if you're reading, & enjoy the tip on NORTON DNS!

I am glad the trolltalk.com trolls (tomhudson & crew) actually were foolish enough to attack me here yet again via AC replies as seen above:

Mainly - Because it explains EXACTLY how to take out trolls, by using the simple power of truth & facts (and their own words + misdoings online @ this website).

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tomhudson (The ringleader & bigtime trolling liar)

gmhowell (agreed to truce)

webmistressrachel (liar & pawn or, sockpuppet of the main fool, in tomhudson I suspect)

jeremiah cornelius (pretty much leaves me be, we got along before this)

damn_registrars (I think he was just a pawn of tomhudson),

clone (both guises 52431/52431 LONG gone)

Pseudonym Authority (just another troll I blew away recently for the same crap & trolling mechanics the idiots from trolltalk.com, above, utilize bogusly)

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AND, of course, since tomhudson always trolls me on HOSTS files posts I do, & fails hugely!

(See here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796 [slashdot.org] )

Plus, in other technical matters in networking + programming & yes, HOSTS files - see below!

Yes - a "rib/jab" @ trolls around here... not blaspheming, but the point's there!

The latter url's internals, which is why I suspect is WHY tomhudson trolls me via AC replies, "Geek Angst" of his, blown away, by yours truly - TOO many times, & just "too, Too, TOO EASILY - '2EZ-ily'"

(AND, everytime he starts with myself, & "tries me" as he has here... only to expose he & his and how they work online (dishonorably), lol!)

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"Heavenly hosts refers to an army (Luk.2:13; Rev.19:19) of good angels mentioned in the Bible. It is led either by the Archangel Michael, Jesus, or by God himself. ... The heavenly host participate in the War in Heaven and, according to some interpretations, will battle Satan (lol, tomhudson) and Satan's own army (trolltalk.com) at the End of Days and be victorious" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_host [wikipedia.org]

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* So - with that "all said & aside"?

Thanks for your time, and again - Do ENJOY (and use) THE TIP ON NORTON DNS (good stuff)...

APK

P.S.=> So, per my FAVORITE FILM of all time (LAYER CAKE), do see it, great film - Specifically @ it's termination?

AND

Because I especially like doing analogies via film (better than scripture quotes or those from classical literature, since more folks have a backdrop in film by far lately)??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffz2MHYEaAE&feature=related [youtube.com]

"Adios Amigos" - XXX

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LAYER CAKE ENDING:

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Clarkie the Chemist - "The King is Dead, Long Live the King..."

XXX - "Well I'm honored, but for me? This is all over, I'm getting out... what was true THEN, is true now: Have a Plan, & Stick to it. So I'm sure you gentlemen have LOTS to discuss, but I have no business being here... Adios Amigos (Paul the Boatman (clone), Kinky (Jeremiah Cornelius), The Duke (tomhudson), Slasher (webmistressrachel), Mr. Lucky (damn_registrars) , Troop () ...Jimmy (Pseudonym Authority) - I don't want to add my name to THAT list. My name? If you knew that, you'd be as clever as me..." - XXX

... apk

Re:"Vi veri universum vivus vici" - V 4 Vendetta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36560748)

Seriously. Shut up APK. Nobody cares.

"Yea, tho I walk thru trollin' valley @ /."... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36561802)

"I shall fear no evil trolls: For the TROLLING WORDS & MISDOINGS of tomhudson's ac replies & quotes are WITH ME" An "adaptation" of Psalm 23:4 by yours truly, APK

* Nothing like letting an enemy defeat himself, & on his OWN ballcourt - and, with his OWN words quoted shown for all to see as well...

(Rather, or what they *think* is their own ballcourt)

I have clearly proven, otherwise!

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To quote The Lord Humungous from the film "The Road Warrior" (picture me saying this to you trolls here):

"I AM THE LORD OF THE WASTELAND - WHATEVER EXISTS HERE, IS MINE!"

(Mainly because tomhudson's trolltalk.com trollsquad here is very stupid... shown in all the posts above, with their own words & doings quoted!)

APK

P.S.=> See here again: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2265388&cid=36559302 [slashdot.org]

tomhudson troll!

(, & DO "drink it in & digest it" because it will help you wash down "the bitter taste of YOUR OWN DEFEAT")

Because your trolling games are probably getting to their end, and your own words DEFEATED YOU FOR ME... lol!

... apk

So where is this stuff hosted? (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553806)

Why is it that everybody seems to concentrate on filtering it?

Since when there is some place in the world where absolutely anything can be hosted with impunity to the point that the only recourse is blocking access to it? And wouldn't blocking it be exactly the wrong thing to do?

Re:So where is this stuff hosted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36556010)

No, but there are places in the world where getting it taken down legally involves complicated diplomatic procedures, many phone calls, legal proceedings, appeals, counterappeals and the odd bribe to the local police. Faced with something so complicated and time-consuming, it just seems easier to block. After all, if the rest of the world keeps looking, that's their business.

Re:So where is this stuff hosted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36558710)

No, but there are places in the world where getting it taken down legally involves complicated diplomatic procedures, many phone calls, legal proceedings, appeals, counterappeals and the odd bribe to the local police. Faced with something so complicated and time-consuming, it just seems easier to block. After all, if the rest of the world keeps looking, that's their business.

If they really cared about stopping CP, the government would stop trading with countries that host illegal content. Since they don't do this, either they care more about money than children or filtering CP is only the tip of the iceberg (or, more likely, they don't give a rat's ass about protecting kids and are in it only for the money and power). Therefore fuck this. QED.

The same ISPs that made a deal for the NBN (1)

stormboy (1691754) | more than 2 years ago | (#36553952)

Is this coincidence that the same 2 ISPs just made significant deals with government to further the NBN? Sounds like a condition of the deal to me, and the government gets to keep their hands clean.

How will this help? (1)

tecker (793737) | more than 2 years ago | (#36554378)

What I want to know is how filtering of these sites will help at all.

SERIOUSLY! HOW?

Here is what I am seeing. Austrailia blocks these sites and what happens:
  1. Technology is downloaded and used to get around this filtering (VPNs,alternate DNS,etc.)
  2. New sites pop up creating a game of whack-a-mole
  3. Lawsuits and public outcry killing the project
  4. Long shot but the viewing of these sites might go down

Now you will notice that nowhere on that list does the terms "kiddie porn sites go away" or "kids stop being exploited" appear. It will continue to happen at places around the world, I honestly think response will go 1-2-3-4 in Australia, and the intended purpose will never happen. Want a better option one that is even more sinister? Honeypot em. Dont filter. Trap em. Watch the sites you Blacklist, observe the people going, trace and trap the network and strike hard.

Block sites. Everthing ventured, nothing gained.

Re:How will this help? (1)

X10 (186866) | more than 2 years ago | (#36555086)

This will definitely help: it will help pedophiles do their thing undisturbed. Filtering pictures of child abuse off the web makes them invisible to a general public, which will cease to put pressure on the government to stop child abuse. Meanwhile, pedophiles use their own channels to continue to distribute pictures of child abuse, and for that, to abuse children.
ISPs should not filter anything. Governments should put maximum effort in taking down child abuse networks. And let's stop calling it "child pornography". It's not pornography. It's pictures of child abuse. Very often, it's pictures of severe child abuse.

Re:How will this help? (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#36555676)

Nah not even that will happen. It's not a law. It's not 'Australia' blocking it. It's two out of the hundreds of ISPs (admittedly, big ones, but most people in Australia have a relatively wide choice of ISP cf. the US) doing it of their own making. So:

- People on ISPs other than those two (which includes anyone with half a clue about the Internet - these ISPs are essentially the 'clueless ma and pa' ISPs), won't be affected.
- People on these ISPs who care enough about the issue will switch to another ISP. This is a relatively painless process - there is a very high rate of ISP 'churn' in Australia already as providers compete on price vs. download limit.
- People on these ISPs who don't care (i.e. most of them) won't do anything.

Your 1-2-3-4 list would happen if this was a universal filtering that all ISPs were doing, but it's not. Thankfully.

no avenues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36555570)

"there are no avenues for appeal for those websites which may feel they've been unfairly blocked."

Odd. A similar system used by 90% of ISPs in neighbouring New Zealand gives web surfers an opportunity to appeal if they ever reach a blocked URL.

Re:no avenues (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#36560388)

While here in the UK, our anti-child-porn filter replaces blocked pages with a fake 404 error, thus removing the need for an appeals process: Even the blocked sites won't realise they are blocked unless they notice the strange complains of missing files or the irregularity in client IP addresses.

There goes the Chinese Religion 'Faloon Gong' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36558748)

Child Prono eh!? Well some years back the Peoples Republic of China, you know, the mates your government now sells uranium ore for bombs to when you would not let American aircraft carriers into your port 'cuz they were powered by the atom. Well the Chinese hit on a neat plan to subjugate a religion that they did not like. Appears their 'Falun Gong' or whatever spelling (actually spelled in Chinese characters) is a religion that does not recognize the primacy of the Communist Party of the People's Republic. For that 'crime' they have had their religion defined in Chinese law as 'child pron'. You see when you have the power of definition flowing out of the barrels of their guns, you can do anything! Well you suckers ate gun control and lost your most basic freedoms with nary a whimper many years ago. Your other rights will follow down the drain as night follows the day. How soon before the street corner cameras with face recognition...the three in the morning knock because Harvey took a different route with his car to work the other day....the 'preventative detention' because Mary's DNA shows 'latent criminal tendancies'....ad nauseum nasty tidbits of the slide to fascism.

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