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UK Hacker Ryan Cleary Has Asperger's Syndrome, Court Told

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the aerosolized-weapons-grade-asperger's dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Ryan Cleary, the British teenager accused of launching DDoS attacks at the likes of the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca) has been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a court heard [Saturday]."

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First post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574832)

First post

Re:First post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574976)

What has happened to slashdot? A few weeks ago there were only very rarely 'first posts', and never any goatse links. Now it seems suddenly almost every article has a 'first post', and goatse links appear often again as if we're in the late 90's!

Re:First post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575060)

True, and I don't know why. But I'm more bothered by the asshole moderators who thoughtlessly mod posts down as troll or flamebait for no reason other than that they don't like them. There didn't used to be as many of them either.

Old trolls never die (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575100)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [] on leftist commie propaganda site as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [] slut [] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [] is secret homo [] slang for the tip of a penis [] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [] ' originally referred to a homosexual [] practice. Slashdot [] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, [] .

The editors of Slashdot [] also have homosexual [] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [] runs on Apache!

The Apache [] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [] is that it contains hidden homosexual [] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (4, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574838)

Looks like the UK Government are going to help him with his fear of open spaces.

Re:Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (3, Funny)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574886)

Looks like the UK Government are going to help him with his fear of open spaces.

Socialized medicine again?


The amnesia epidemic has been forgotten

Re:Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574920)

>Looks like the UK Government are going to help him with their fear of open sources

There, fixed that for you..

Re:Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574932)

What they probably wont help with, is his fear of getting touched ... down there ... by giant hairy men in prison.

Re:Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (2)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575402)

What they probably wont help with, is his fear of getting touched ... down there ... by giant hairy men in prison.

Actually the whole anal fetish that springs up as soon as one is put behind bars is purely an American phenomenon.

Re:Cleary also suffers from agoraphobia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575192)

He does claim to suffer from agoraphobia. But I don't think it means what you think it means. Generally agoraphobia is associated with extreme cases of social anxiety.

The Asperger's and agoraphobia claims here are being used to help him get less restrictive conditions. It is being argued that prison could cause severe harm to his mental state.

This is an important distinction because mental illness (with the exception of sociopathy) can't really be claimed to be a mitigating factor to a pre-meditated crime. To put it bluntly, being an asshole and being mentally ill are independent traits.

What a fool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574840)

Asperger's, what a fool!

You don't DDoS the Serious Organised Crime Agency.

Re:What a fool! (3, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574872)

Well, maybe he thought it was an agency run by serious organized crime. :-)

Well, thinking again about it, in that case it would have been an even more stupid action to DDoS it ...

Re:What a fool! (5, Funny)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574936)

It's not like it's the Very Serious Organised Crime Agency.

Serious Organized Crime Agency (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574842)

Isn't that one of those super-villain syndicates from a comic book?

Re:Serious Organized Crime Agency (5, Funny)

rossdee (243626) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574926)

I guess they have another department for catching the humourus disoganised criminals

old news (2)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574846)

I don't have a source ready, but that has been his defense for over a year.

Re:old news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574864)

wow, how far into the future are you living??

Cleary, who was arrested this week as the result of investigations by Scotland Yard and FBI, appeared at City of Westminster magistrates court in a hearing relating to the five offences under the Criminal Law and Computer Misuse Act with which he has been charged.

Re:old news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574882)

The GP is thinking of Gary McKinnon []

Re:old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574906)

Is he thinking of Gary McKinnon?

It's no surprise that many with Asperger's end up in IT.

Re:old news (1)

Martin S. (98249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575202)

The defence is that the diagnosis would fail the "cruel and unusual punishment test" element of "extradition". Which is intended to prevent extradition to counties that allow capital punishment or torture.

lol (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574854)

"it's not my fault i'm a sociopathic piece of shit"

Re:lol (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574958)

He's stupid too. If I were a sociopath, I'd get a nice job as a politician or CEO.

He lives in Essex (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574866)

Isn't that punishment enough?

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574876)

Claiming to suffer from Athelete's Foot or Ingrown Toe Nails may carry more weight...

Well buh (2, Informative)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574894)

Man on internet has aspergers. Film at 11: Sun is hot.

Thx, now the MC Frontalot tune is stuck in my head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574900)

...for the rest of the day

So what? (4, Insightful)

frps25 (1663043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574902)

So what if he has Asperger? Are the lawyers implying that he is less responsible for his acts due his condition? Clearly they do not know anything about Asperger's syndrome and in fact are offending people with this kind of syndrome, this simply infuriates me, people with Asperger around the world are trying HARD to demonstrate that they can behave as normal as anybody else and this lawyers come with this just to save this guy's Ass, thats plain irresponsible!

Re:So what? (4, Insightful)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574956)

Indeed. I probably have Abserger's, I score highly on most of the indicators, my wife (a paediatrician) thinks so, I think so. (I'm also a qualified doctor, but no longer practising). I have not been formally diagnosed, but I don't feel the need to do so.

I've never sought to make it into a "condition". It's not a label I apply to myself. It's just part of the way I am. In some ways, I consider myself fortunate - it's almost certainly a contributor to my facility with computers, a skill that puts bread on my table.

And it definitely doesn't interfere with your ability to distinguish right from wrong, or generate any uncontrollable urges to do "naughty" things.

In some ways, I *would* have like it spotted earlier, because I could have had an easier time of school if people had just explained to me some of the things that people take for granted are "built in", like an understanding of interpersonal relationships. I know I have developed purely intellectual ways of dealing with these things, because I spot myself doing it now. When I did an Asberger's test, I recognized that for many of the questions about social interaction, my answers were not typical of Asberger's - but that I would have answered very differently 20 years ago, largely because I now understand how to form a social niche that I find workable.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574970)

Dr, if I may ask, why do you keep calling it "Abserger's"?

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575028)

They have Dyslexia as well.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575040)

Yeah, thats fairly odd, considering he is a doctor and he has the condition. You would think he would know how its spelled.

Re:So what? (4, Funny)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575154)

Not really, he's a doctor, OTHER people are supposed to figure out what he wrote...

Re:So what? (1)

max (79752) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575050)

Keep calling? What are you mumbling about? In the GP there is ONE mention of "Abserger's" and TWO mentions of "Asberger's".

I seriously doubt that this counts as "keep calling". Being a wise-ass about a typo is just stupid. Then again, what can one expect from an AC at slashdot?

Re:So what? (2)

mrbester (200927) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575180)

Except it is spelled with a P. Typos or not, those keys aren't that close together.

Re:So what? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575218)

Strangely enough, there was a long thread about Aspergers on a gaming forum just last week in which a few people repeatedly refered to it as "Asbergers".

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575278)

because all the kids on 4chan call it ASS BURGERS LOLOLOLOLOL, so anyone that frequents there will probably end up getting it wrong.

Re:So what? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575138)

Heh. Why be normal? Normal people aren't any happier than I am.

Re:Responsible for his acts (1)

music65536 (2309806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574964)

Thank you for your courage, sir.

It is a fascinating defense though. Psychological conditions are indeed correlated with troublesome behavior. He may in fact currently be in that social skill difficulty range. I agree with you that he is indeed responsible for his actions.

Suppose he believed some of the arguments we have seen defending such activities as the path of last resort to raise awareness of both security and the growing unrest among the people. His legal team may have chosen this defense in an attempt to lend credibility to those beliefs to the jury.

The question I ask of you is this: Do digital Robin Hoods deserve leniency if their intentions appear to be sufficiently instructive?

Re:Responsible for his acts (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575326)

The question I ask of you is this: Do digital Robin Hoods deserve leniency if their intentions appear to be sufficiently instructive?


Re:So what? (2)

the_raptor (652941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574996)

Exactly. If he had been diagnosed with moderate to severe Autism or something and basically lived inside his own head it might be some excuse for his actions (ie not being able to understand they were criminal). Asperger's syndrome just means you have some of the cognitive issues, particularly in regard to social situations, that people with Autism share. If you have those symptoms to the point they are crippling you will generally get diagnosed with Autism.

Re:So what? (2)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575184)

One way a "aspie" may compensate for issues in daily life is by forming a fantasy world where they have a degree of control.

Re:So what? (2)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575276)

I can't tell from the article what's going on in the case at this point. The previous UK resident to bring up Asperger's wasn't doing it to get out of the charges, but to affect the request for extradition (claiming it's a diagnosed condition that would not be appropriately treated in the US, and the US essentially agreed that it would not be considered or treated were he to be extradited).

Perhaps it's nothing more than setting up a basis for the agoraphobia or such to claim a basis for a neurosis or psychosis (aggravated by but not directly caused by Asperger's) that would be the grounds for an insanity plea. Or perhaps it's making sure to get out the "troubled teen with a mental disorder" line early and often in the case to affect sentencing should they lose, steering it to a hospital stay rather than prison if it comes to that. Or, like above, it could be setting the basis to deny an extradition, as the US system does not appear to take "mild" mental conditions seriously and refuses to treat or even acknowledge them within the justice system.

Re:So what? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575024)

So what if he has Asperger? Are the lawyers implying that he is less responsible for his acts due his condition? Clearly they do not know anything about Asperger's syndrome and in fact are offending people with this kind of syndrome, this simply infuriates me, people with Asperger around the world are trying HARD to demonstrate that they can behave as normal as anybody else and this lawyers come with this just to save this guy's Ass, thats plain irresponsible!

Not to contest your point, since I'm not at all up on what organized aspies are up to, but for myself, I feel I'd rather not behave as normally as I feel a normal person is expected to behave. I'd very much like for society to just let me be odd. I don't want to keep trying to fit in.

I didn't know I had aspergers (or that's what they tell me) before I was in my thirties. And, if at all, it's a mild case. I've totally ruined my finances. I can't keep a regular job and can't get anything done. I've simply failed at life, from a normal, middle class perspective.

In other respects I'm a swell person. I'd just want to hang around with the few other oddballs I've somehow managed to amass around me. A meager pension would be sweet. That's unlikely, though. I gotta find a job with not much expectations or frustration. Preferably from home at my computer. Too bad I didn't geek out enough on the computers to be a developer or some such. That's possibly due to the ADD...

Re:So what? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575108)

Listen, you son of a bitch. You're supposed to be SUFFERING from this. We came up with the list of symptoms and added it to the DSM and made doctors and schools aware of it and wrangled the media into it. The least you can do is show that you appreciate this by SUFFERING and wanting to be like everyone else. You ungrateful prick!

Re:So what? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575220)

Indeed. People like that need to be heavily sedated. They could screw up the whole reimbursement model for treatment of the disorder.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575298)

I'm almost certain you are being sarcastic. In fact, if I wasn't inclined to take and mean things literally, I wouldn't even bother to write "almost".

Just wanted to say thank you. I very much enjoyed your comment. I got a feeling of anonymous love radiating from a universe without meaning. It's cool how atoms and quarks and quantum shit that has no will or purpose can make it feel this way. And without any kind of added dope, even. You reminded me that I'm not alone. Thank you.

Re:So what? (2)

c (8461) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575026)

So what if he has Asperger? Are the lawyers implying that he is less responsible for his acts due his condition?


Their job is to find absolutely anything which will get their client off and/or decrease the sentence. Doesn't matter if it's a medical condition, addiction, or something nasty like child sexual abuse, it's their duty to represent it to the court as something which drove the behaviour.

The prosecution will, of course, be digging up evidence that the kid is some kind of Machiavellian criminal mastermind using his inhuman hacking skills to springboard to world domination...

Re:So what? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575116)

There is something really messed up in the country when people testifying to court of law aren't trying to find out the truth but instead actively try to build up a hyperbole, even if they know it really isn't true.

Re:So what? (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575342)

That's the way the legal system works in the US. Each side has an advocate whose goal is not to "find the truth" but rather to advocate their side. The idea is that the truth comes out in the clash of two strong advocates. It makes sense, because the idea that you are going to have disinterested investigators arrive at the truth is difficult to implement. After all, pretty much everybody has an axe to grind... may as well take advantage of that.

Re:So what? (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575292)

yep its the same as the previous case with Gary McKinnon - getting diagnosed after the fact.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575038)

this lawyers come with this just to save this guy's Ass, thats plain irresponsible!

Yeah, imagine that, a lawyer trying to bail out his client.

Re:So what? (3, Informative)

splodus (655932) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575048)

I don't know what this means legally exactly but in UK law there is the defense of 'diminished responsibility'. For example, someone who would normally be convicted of murder may instead be convicted of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility if they were suffering from an abnormality of mind.

However what you seem to be suggesting is that if someone with a previously diagnosed condition would like it to be taken into account, then they shouldn't if sufferers of that condition usually try to get on with their lives? If so I think that's a difficult point to argue. Those with schizophrenia try to live normal lives and take responsibility for their actions but surely no one would claim that a sufferer who commits a crime whilst experiencing delusions was responsible.

It's a matter of degree. I once had someone with asperger's in one of my classes and it was very difficult indeed. She once walked into my colleague's office, ignoring him completely, and began browsing his bookshelf! Now, if she had walked out with one of those books, would she have been responsible for theft? Legally? Of course. Compassionately? I would make allowances based on her condition...

Re:So what? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575140)

I doubt that had anything to do with aspergers. Sounds like the person was just a douche. Everything I've gathered from the barrage of media attention (and slashdot attention) on this over the years has made it pretty clear that Aspergers is to Autism what beige is to pitch-black. People wanting to make it popular often like to suggest that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg and many others of their group have Aspergers. They're of sound mind the same way you and I are

Here. Go look at a list of the symptoms (you don't have to hit on them all to be diagnosable). Tell me the a good chunk of the list doesn't apply to at least 80% of the people you know. It's ridiculous. []

Re:So what? (1)

InterStellaArtois (808931) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575052)

In the similar case of Gary McKinnon - who also has aspergers - his defence argued that extradition would be severely detrimental to his health. Being chucked in one of those super-jails - sharing a room with 12 other convicts - doesn't go too well with the typical inability to adapt to new routines or environments, found in those with the condition. I think he said he'd commit suicide if he had to go.

Re:So what? (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575148)

What does that have to do with aspergers?

Most people would go to well in prison. I'd probably seriously consider suicide if I was looking at doing time in a place where I had to be the bitch of one prison gang or another just to survive, live in a cell the size of a bathroom stall, and have absolutely no freedom.

Oh - also - MOST people don't like new routines or environments.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575068)

The hearing that this was raised in was a bail hearing.
The aim of this is not to establish guilt or innocence, only to decide whether to allow the defendant to go on bail. So the lawyers were likely making suggestions along the lines that a person with Aspergers syndrome requires more care than a standard inmate (and/or has specialised needs), and thus should not be held in custody awaiting trial. I don't believe he has even entered a plea yet (I could be incorrect here).

Re:So what? (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575092)

Agreed. I don't mean to dismiss Aspergers, because I know that there are some people that it actually applies to and who are actually impacted (to some degree) by symptoms of it. Like the inability to discern certain social and facial/emotional cues. However, since it first became a "thing" a few years ago, 90% of everyone on every geek oriented website has self-diagnosed themselves with it. You can set your clock by it, too. Post anything about it at any time and anywhere and a flock of people claiming that they're "pretty sure they have it" will arise. With such evidence as "I am kind of socially awkward sometimes" and "I get really obsessed with certain things" or "I am super detail oriented". (I've heard very few descriptions of Aspergers as anything other than just being different. Basically, if you weren't Mr. Outgoing, on the glee squad, and interested in football -- you have Aspergers.... of course, if you're outgoing and a social butterfly and interested in sports, you're probably going to be diagnosed as "suffering" from something else).

Aspergers is one of those things put in the DSM so loosely that pretty much anyone could theoretically be diagnosed with it. Sort of the same way most people read a horoscope and say "wow, how do they know me so well?!". What I don't get is the whole appeal of "wanting to have it". Some people seem so eager to claim they have Asperger's that you'd think it gave you a nine inch dick.

In this particular instance, it's actually a bit sickening. The impression I'm given from story after story after never-fucking-ending story about Aspergers is that it has nearly no impact on those that have it (which kind of makes it seem pointless to be a "thing" that has to be "diagnosed", right?). I mean, the people we're always given examples as "probably having Aspergers" are Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg and the like. Wow, what a terrible affliction. So it makes most people extremely intelligent, socially-awkward, wealthy successes . . . and this guy a criminal?

He might as well claim to be suffering from "seasonal affective disorder" (otherwise known to normal people as FUCKING WINTER).

Re:So what? (1)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575170)

What I don't get is the whole appeal of "wanting to have it". Some people seem so eager to claim they have Asperger's that you'd think it gave you a nine inch dick.

The point is this:
If you spent all your live struggling to understand the way social interaction works, if you always hat problems understanding why people behave this way or that and why they expect you to do this, it helps a lot if you get to know why you have these problems fitting in.

When you know that it's a medical condition and that you are not doing anything 'wrong', you can concentrate on living your life, rather than spent time trying to figure out the why.

Sure, a lot of people may misdiagnose themselves. But that doesn't mean that everybody who assumes he has Asperger's is wrong about this.

Re:So what? (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575200)

Being weird isn't a medical condition.

I'm not saying that there aren't symptoms which can be severe enough together to deserve a diagnosis and some sort of effort to mitigate them for certain people, but all these people saying "well, gosh, I was awkward when I was in high school; now I know why" and therefore diagnosing themselves with Aspergers are just being dumb asses. People are different. Some are weird. Some are awkward. And in high school, pretty much EVERYONE was awkward. Hell, for the rest of life most people are kind of awkward.

There is this sick desire to label everyone who deviates from a specific and fine line of normality as having something wrong with them (treatable, of course!) and for everyone who deviates even slightly from the "norm" to be diagnosed. It's just messed up.

I don't intend my comments to apply to the few people who actually suffer from real and actual severe cases of legitimate Aspergers and have been diagnosed as such. Just the people who sickly cling to things like ADD, Aspergers, seasonal affective disorder, and whatever else they can think of to both differentiate themselves as unique and . . . explain why they have always felt different.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575308)

Dammit. If I wasn't an AC I'd assign you infinite hit points for this post. Spot... Fucking... On.

Ya well (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575104)

Unfortunately, some people want to see it that way. You actually see it online believe it or not. There are more than a few, usually self-diagnosed (and thus likely not real) Asperger people who use it as an excuse to be jerks. They are extremely anti-social, hostile, and so on and have the attitude of "I have Asperger Syndrome so I can't function in normal society. This gives me license to act however I like since it is just something I can't change."

Pretty much if you can name a condition that causes people to have difficulty functioning normally, you can find someone who tries to take advantage of it to just not have to. It is sad, and insulting to those who don't want to be viewed as less capable just because they happen to be different, but it seems to be human nature. Exploitative assholes come in all forms.

Re:Ya well (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575198)

Well that is one possible reaction to having said issue. One build up a view that one is in the right and the rest of the world is in the wrong. That is, one blame anyone but oneself for the troubles faced.

Re:Ya well (2)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575214)

If a person has problems controlling his/her actions then why shouldn't "Society" be allowed to exert more control over that person (e.g. jail, restrictions, loss of freedoms). Parents are essentially allowed to be near-dictators over their children till their children have "grown up".

And if anyone does something wrong and claims to not have free will, why should he/she be treated better than a faulty machine that has failed?

Re:So what? (3, Interesting)

Myu (823582) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575136)

... people with Asperger around the world are trying HARD to demonstrate that they can behave as normal as anybody else...

It strikes me that this is a really strange thing to say. Surely it is exactly the nature of Asperger's syndrome that they NEED to try hard BECAUSE their natural ability to grasp what is "normal" is different to the other people they interact with!

If your challenge was "he shouldn't be able to avoid prosecution on the grounds of his ability to perceive social standards", then the question is raised as to what the relationship between responsible agency and the comprehension of social standards is. We learn to understand what is right and wrong through our interactions with the social world around us, because that's the feedback mechanism - we get praised as kids for good behaviour and scolded for bad. Although law is a separate mechanism, concepts of consequence and contract (on which theories of law are often grounded) are both learned through the same kinds of channels.

Obviously, Asperger's entails a difficulty with such cognitive mechanisms, rather than a complete failure of them, so people nonethless retain responsibility for their actions. The question is to what extent this responsibility can be diminished in proportion with that difficulty, and there is a positive liberty argument to be made to the effect that you can't be held as a fully reasonable agent under the law when there are blatantly obvious consequences for your actions that you have never learned to formulate. That's also the essence of arguments for public education and not giving kids voting rights.

You are entirely entitled to feel offended that the position hasn't simply been immediately ruled out. After all, it suggests that being on the autism spectrum might affect one's entitlement to equal treatment under the law. But that doesn't make the position wrong. Consider cases of people with severe low-functioning Autism (which, it should be pointed out, are woefully neglected in the general media beyond childhood) - these are people with serious needs that they are not in a position to fulfil for themselves, and it often falls to family members to provide the difficult and expensive care that they require. To state straight-off that the law should be blind to such situations is just callous; it at least deserves consideration.

Finally, it should be entirely anticipated that people with Asperger's syndrome might have trouble seeing why the position could be right. That's what the condition is. So I'm sorry, but I think your judgement of "irresponsibility" is premature. We can't just throw out the argument of diminished responsibility on the grounds of sentiment or intuition. It's a proper legal discussion that needs to be had, and perhaps an important question of moral philosophy too.

Re:So what? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575190)

if you can behave like everyone else then you're just like everyone else, aspergers is pretty non exactly defined, as is humour, as is poetry. the bold and the beautiful is full of people with aspergers, but it's so slight that most of the time they don't need cops around the house.

if the rumours about him are true (foil and everything) then he is wacko on the standard scale and it is a valid defense(which usually just goes to influence the type of punishment/forced_care, same thing really - it would be different if he was rolling in mafia cash with mafia hookers and doing it for coke'n'hoes, which he wasn't - hw asn't apparently even doing it for pure lulz).

it's all about person, if your bouts of whatever are counted as just being a jerk or just being a little strange in the head and that's how it's always been, it's not something that came to be in the 20th century. still, knowing how "e police" works, they're giving it their best to get him to admit to more than what he did(what's a conspiracy anyways? is this chat board a conspiracy? hard enough to know the differences even when you're titled a so called normally behaving citizen).

Re:So what? (3, Interesting)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575238)

people with Asperger around the world are trying HARD to demonstrate that they can behave as normal as anybody else

If they have to try that hard, then that says something in itself...

There's nothing in Asperger's that would "excuse" anyone from being tried regularly. Insanity is a defense used for those that couldn't, at the time, understand what they were doing was wrong. However, there is nothing in that which would dismiss a criminal case.

The previous application of Asperger's in the UK was to establish that it is a condition that would not be treated appropriately in the US were the person with it to be extradited. It wasn't used as a "he has this, he should be excused" argument, but that "he has a condition that would be ignored should he be extradited, and as such, it would be inhumane to extradite him because of that."

If you actually understood Asperger's, I'd assert that the most offensive thing about this article is the last sentence (specifically the snide comment in the last clause), "He said Cleary is highly intelligent but agoraphobic and has difficulty interacting with people, presumably unless they are on the end of an Internet connection." The last clause adds nothing to the article, but takes a shot at those with Asperger's using computers to shield themselves from others. It's actually a good thing. Those who do not use or understand social cues do much better where those cues are filtered so that everyone is on a level playing field. And for some, it's mentally not even talking to other people, or they would be more nervous. They type, responses show up. Whether those responses are people or bots or such is irrelevant. It's not personal contact and could be anyone anywhere or maybe nobody at all, so it doesn't trigger the same anxiety as being there in person.

Another aspect of Asperger's is that it is a spectrum disorder. That is, someone could have it and actually be indistinguishable from normal by others around them. And some will indistinguishable by those around them from someone with Autism. Those with the "light" version should be quite capable of passing themselves off as "normal" and those with the "heavy" version would have more trouble with it. That those with "light" Asperger's are trying hard to demonstrate normality is irrelevant to the ability of those with "heavy" Asperger's to do the same.

Re:So what? (2)

Myu (823582) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575310)

+1, but I'm not convinced that your point about computers is "a good thing" per se. Computers are tremendously enabling for people with Aspergers, and I don't doubt that it gives people independence and self-governance in a way that is life-affirming and incredibly positive. The problem is that this very enabling is what creates social fragmentation.

Externalising the way we interact with the world is great when we externalise correctly. However, the epistemic gap to the world is always very difficult to bridge, and the problem with such externalisation is that it is so easy to get things wrong. For an example of doing it incorrectly, look at extremist religion. For a (very salient) example of doing it incorrectly online, look at 4-chan.

Re:So what? (3, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575386)

Computers are tremendously enabling for people with Aspergers, and I don't doubt that it gives people independence and self-governance in a way that is life-affirming and incredibly positive. The problem is that this very enabling is what creates social fragmentation.

I agree with your point. They allow for equal interaction without addressing the underlying issue. Much like chatting would allow a deaf person to interact with others without revealing any limitations. But, because we get people who don't address the spectrum as a spectrum, we get the "it's just Asperger's, everyone has it, just get over it" statements. When there's understanding and acceptance based on that (which would be little to none), it will encourage others to not even try. But if there was a permanent crutch, then there'd be little incentive to try to integrate. But again, as with the deaf community, they often deliberately segregate themselves and cause social fragmentation. But people don't fault them for it like they do people with Asperger's.

Since 80% (or so, depending on who you talk to) of communication is non-verbal, it could even be argued that the deaf people have a better chance of integrating with society than those with Asperger's, but yet they often segregate without complaint. But someone with Asperger's who tires of the work required to play in a society they don't fit in is considered a lazy quitter. It's that level of intolerance of Asperger's (usually promoted most strongly from those who have or think they have a mild form of it) that drives even more to give up because they just can't do it as easily as those who say they have it have done, so they must be doing something wrong. And there are very few resources for those with it (and many more for those who are parents of those with it). The general answer is "just deal with it."

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575302)

(Devils advocate)

I'm a pedophile (also on the DSM). Do you imply that I am less responsible for my acts due to my condition? Clearly, the know nothing about pedophilia and are in fact, offending people with this affliction, this simply infuraittes me, people with pedophilia around th world are trying HARD to demonstrate that they can behave as normal as anybody else and thsi lawyer comes with this just to save this guy's ass. That's plain irresponsible!

Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (1)

Nighttime (231023) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574948)

I can see it now, every low-life scrote using that as an excuse for their actions.

"Yeah, I couldn't help meself from robbin' those cars. I've got me that Assburger's, ain't I?"

I'm Asparagus! (2)

denzacar (181829) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574974)

No! I'm Asparagus!

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575046)

+1... i'm tired of hearing excuses for why these people shouldn't wind up in jail. assburgers or not, lock this stupid kid away.

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575176)

But oh kind anon, what is he guilty of.. running a chat room?

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575206)

Seriously. If a forum for communication was responsible for the crimes of its users, Rob Malda would be in prison on like 8,000 counts of child molestation.

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (1)

The Clockwork Troll (655321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575244)

that's nothing. christopher poole would be in prison on over 9000.

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575288)

if he was running their irc server, then someone had to have paid him. either way, he should know who connected to his server, and he could easily hand that information over. withholding information related to a crime is also a crime, is it not?

Re:Asperger's, the Get Out of Jail Free card? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575312)

if he was running their irc server, then someone had to have paid him.

Why? I operate a server for my own purposes and occasionally run services for friends for free.

Aspergers is not a "get out of jail free" card (3, Informative)

phayes (202222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574950)

Gary McKinnon based much of his appeal to be exempted from extradition to the US on Aspergers & failed. Aspergers makes people mal-adapted to much of society but does not affect their comprehension of right/wrong & so is irrelevant.

Re:Aspergers is not a "get out of jail free" card (5, Informative)

Goose In Orbit (199293) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575208)


a) He hasn't failed to be exempted from extradition - it's still being looked at by the Home Office
b) He's not asking for a "get out of jail free" card - it's about being tried (and, if found guilty) imprisoned in the UK rather than the US
c) The "Aspergers defence" only arose - some years after the event - because Simon Baron-Cohen saw an interview with him and suggested he may be suffering from the condition

Re:Aspergers is not a "get out of jail free" card (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575228)

Right and wrong is sadly not set in stone. As such, if one is of the belief that the targets one attack is corrupt, or in other ways can envision oneself as a kind of robin hood figure, then in ones own eyes one is doing right. And Asperger "sufferers" may build up a fantasy world as a coping mechanism.

Re:Aspergers is not a "get out of jail free" card (4, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575306)

The issue for extradition wasn't an insanity plea, but that he had a diagnosed condition that the US would not recognize or treat. The US stance is "You are sentenced to prison, buy yourself some lube and deal with it, we want to make sure that you hate life so much that if you aren't a bad person when you enter, you will kill yourself or be a bad person when you leave." And that's pretty much on par with the worst prison systems on the planet, with the conditions being more hygienic, but no more safe. And I'd make any argument possible to serve time anywhere else in the civilized world other than US prisons.

Re:Aspergers is not a "get out of jail free" card (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575314)

Asperger's seems to have become the vanity diagnosis for nerds these days. They use it as an excuse to not try and fit with societal norms, the same way ADHD is used by absentee parents to excuse their children's bad behaviour.

Huh. Imagine that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574972)

Eugenics would have solved this too.

Aspergers stops you telling right from wrong? (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36574980)

This must be some new variant which only strikes when the Lulz stops and you're sniffing and blubbering in the cells.

Re:Aspergers stops you telling right from wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575262)

Aspergers stops you telling right from wrong?

No, and it doesn't say that in TFA.

Re:Aspergers stops you telling right from wrong? (0)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575398)

No actually it gave him a sense of right and wrong, so he decided to attack the hypocrites who work for the biggest organized crime syndicate in the area....the government.

Makes sense to me, the kid should get a reward.

Re:Aspergers stops you telling right from wrong? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575426)

I take it that your personal details weren't on any of the customer lists that LulzSec released. Last I checked, Sony isn't a government (yet).

Aspergers: internet disease (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36574982)

Yeah, him and 99% of /.

I mean, would the courts even consider this a surprising case, given the number of high-profile hacking cases related to autism?
I think the internet may have confused the terms "aspergers" with "a little bit awkward and has different interests to many people"

And? (1)

mseeger (40923) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575006)

Well, concerning the judgement of his guilt (wether or not he has done the deed accused), this should have no influence. When deciding about the amount of punishment required, this has to be taken into account. But this SOP for every court. Asperger is far from being incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.

But i also think, that if he was in Britain while comitting those alleged crimes, he should be tried there. I think this is, what is troublesome with this case. The rest is pure window dressing.

CU, Martin

Soo close (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575020)

I though he had asshole syndrome. I guess I only got the first 2 letter correct.

So what (0)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575082)

He's an assburger, his ass is burger.

Let the justice system work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575178)

He did the crime now let him get to know america a little better. He can discuss the cover up of UFO's and aliens with his cell mate.

Re:Let the justice system work (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575212)

Actually, there's not currently any evidence that he did "the crime".

Honesty (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575250)

Wasn't there a law that you must not lie in court? Or does that not apply when you can just say "oh look this person's minor quirk looks like a condition! Easy defense". This is why most legal systems don't work. The only condition that should affect a sentence is one that prevents them from determining right from wrong, such as retardation, not "[a] disorder that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests." - Wikipedia. I hope the guy gets the full sentence.

The Dog Ate My Responsibilities... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575264)

I'm so sick of every maladjusted arse/asshole claiming this 'Aspergers' shit. Some people are socially incompetent, and try to compensate by convincing themselves that they're 'differently exceptional'. In the years I've worked as a software developer, I can honestly say that these people are a complete liability - they're never as smart as they think they are. There's nothing *wrong* with being shy or introverted, but don't try to quantify these traits as some sort of disability; it's well within the spectrum of sane, rational behaviour. As with obesity, the Freud Squad do no favours by indulging this victim mentality.

Socially Challenged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575294)

Asperger's Syndrome is just code for "butt ugly and still a virgin".

Soap on a rope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575304)

I hope he learned how to make soap on rope.

Soap is serious business in prison.

The Hacker with ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575382)

... The dragon tattoo?

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