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Sony Develops Technology To Hack Your Hand

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the make-your-kids-do-the-dishes dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A device created by the University of Tokyo and Sony Laboratories called PossessedHand allows researchers to control a subject's hand via electrical stimulation. While currently being used to teach students to play the koto, a Japanese traditional stringed instruments, just imagine the possibilities! Twilight Zone anyone?"

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I'll pass (4, Funny)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575708)

Sounds cool and all, but we're talking about Sony here. Any 12 year old with a tutorial on sql injection could just walk in and hijack my hand.

Re:I'll pass (3, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576000)

So, the new "I didn't look at porn, it's a virus" is now "I didn't jack off, it's a virus"?

Re:I'll pass (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577962)

Now I don't have to find ways to make my hand go numb. It will feel like someone else automatically.

Re:I'll pass (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579598)

It will feel like someone else automatically.

There's a name for that. It's called The Stranger :)

It's worse than that (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576004)

Sony is just looking for a way to install a DRM rootkit on your nervous system.

Remember that article from a week ago about being able to turn memories on and off in rats with electrical signals [newscientist.com] ? Now the next time you hear/view copyrighted media you'll immediately forget what you saw if you stop paying subscription fees for those memories.

Re:It's worse than that (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36578146)

It's not Jesus but Sony that watches you masturbate.

Re:It's worse than that (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579578)

Now the next time you hear/view copyrighted media you'll immediately forget what you saw if you stop paying subscription fees for those memories.

You seem to imply that but just stopping a subscription I could get some of those things out of my head. That might not be a bad thing. Sounds cheaper and less dangerous than a power drill from Home Depot.

Re:It's worse than that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36580474)

I'm sure they'll just play more of the crap so they can charge/sue you for it.

Re:I'll pass (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576048)

Even worse, there could be no 12 years old hackers so your hand would be instead controlled by a corporation that rooted our PCs without telling anything just because they don't like you to possibly violate their rights. That is, ethically speaking, a just below average corporation :D

In general this tech will likely end up with getting a genre of dystopic literature on its own: self inflicted deaths or torture for better cover up of the culprits and stuff like that.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576082)

I was thinking more along the lines of applications for their internal customer (movies and music branch): politician puppeteer.

So now they can control signatures on bills, and your hand when you're trying to download anything! Clever!

What A Fucking Idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576084)

No wonder people have been talking about how Slashdot has turned to complete shit.

This site use to be a very cool tech discussion site. Idiots like rebelwarlock have turned this site into just another digg.com

Re:What A Fucking Idiot (-1, Offtopic)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576180)

U mad? Yeah, u mad. Now stop being a chicken shit and post under your name.

Re:What A Fucking Idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576306)

yup, and your just the crust on the toilet

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576526)

Someone has played with this notion before:
http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110608/

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576822)

Stop advertising your shitty, unfunny, wordy comic here, Bum Tickley.

B^U

Re:I'll pass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36577634)

Great, now anytime someone gives Sony a hard time they can play a game of "Stop Hitting Yourself".

Finally! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575726)

The proof I need to get out of prison...

Application in DRM? (2, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575734)

Sony DRM is getting out of hand.

Re:Application in DRM? (4, Funny)

Jethro (14165) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575780)

Actually it seems to be getting IN hand.

Re:Application in DRM? (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576422)

I definitely say these jokes are writing themselves.

Re:Application in DRM? (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 3 years ago | (#36578180)

Whatever it is, I'm not going to hand over my rights.

Re:Application in DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36578698)

Or my left

Re:Application in DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575930)

JKRawlings new venture embeds the users info in the Digital-media. No DRM. Its not perfect, but thats a good way to "help" honest people stay honest.

But as I have always said, if TPB had a tip jar that went to charity, they would send a big message to Hollywood to update their old whipping based system. Idiots.

Help eliminate stupid tickets. [wikispeedia.org]

Re:Application in DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576126)

*groan*

Re:Application in DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576844)

Using your hand in an unapproved manner will result in a DMCA violation!

/though, this will be ignored in California

Damn (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575736)

The joke here is way too obvious. I'll pass.

Re:Damn (2, Funny)

Inzite (472846) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575838)

Why is parent modded down? Should be +1 Appreciated.

Someone with points to spare, please lend this guy a hand.

Re:Damn (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575966)

ACs start at -1

Re:Damn (0)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576286)

Normally ACs start at 0. I don't know if there are cases where ACs start at -1, but it's definitively not the norm.

Re:Damn (0)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576436)

Your IP has karma penalty if you get modded down enough and you don't have an account.

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36579448)

Way to effectively admit you troll as AC a lot!

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36579484)

I troll as AC a lot and I don't post at -1, so I don't know what all you are talking about.

Of course, I generally troll APK so more often than not I get modded up. But, still.

Sony made me do it (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575752)

Really. I didn't intend to slap you. I don't know what's going on, what with Xbox reading what my hands are doing and Sony telling my hands what to do.

I know.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575754)

.... Kung Fu.

May actually be useful (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575756)

Paralyzed people who's muscles can be controlled to a functional state, would be nice.
Perhaps a suit that would enable people to walk. Dunno.

Re:May actually be useful (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576006)

I'd rather be paralyzed than put my hand's well being into Sony's, umm, hands.

Re:May actually be useful (1)

tmosley (996283) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576050)

Really?

I don't think you have thought that through.

Re:May actually be useful (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576096)

I'm quite protective of my body, the mere idea that someone else might be controlling part of it freaks me out to no end. I'm probably at the extreme end of the spectrum here, but I could not see me living, knowing that my existence depends on a machine that is not under my control. Fortunately I only had to go get an operation once, and it took them quite a lot of sedatives to calm me to the point where they could knock me out.

Re:May actually be useful (1)

Ragzouken (943900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576504)

You do realise how much of your natural body is not under your control already?

Re:May actually be useful (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576634)

Aside of my vegetative system which I have of course very little control over, I couldn't really point at something that is controlled by some external force. Please elaborate.

Re:May actually be useful (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577544)

You sir, are an idiot.

Plus you are a liar. After a few months paralyzed in a bed with someone else having to feed you and wipe your ass everyday you would jump at the first doctor that offered a small device to allow you to walk once again.

Go ahead and convince us that you'd lie there for years till you died just to "protect your body".

Re:May actually be useful (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577506)

Paralyzed people who's muscles can be controlled to a functional state, would be nice.
Perhaps a suit that would enable people to walk. Dunno.

Yeah, its too bad all the 7th graders here decided to trash Sony rather than see the value of this for all the paralyzed people in the world. Even worse are the fully functioning people who insist that if it came to pass that they were paralyzed they would remain so rather than strap on a device that allows them to once again control their own limbs. Such big talk from someone who has never rolled a day in a wheelchair.

Great... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575760)

First they trojan my PC with XCP, now they want to hack my hand!

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576400)

And you just know that after selling enough of them, they'll do a firmware-wipe of some intrinsic feature they've marketed because it may pose a security risk *to their bottom line*.
So I'm assuming that the glove will record your hand movements as well, so that SONY can record your signature and store it on one of their secure servers, for when you need to make a physical (non-electronic) payment during SONY's next server outages.

Well, could be worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575774)

It could be worse, at first I thought they wanted to hack it off.

Re:Well, could be worse (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576012)

Isn't it odd that we didn't rule that out as impossible when we saw that next to the name Sony?

Yeesh (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575776)

Wouldn't it be easier to just ASK someone to pass the salt???

What else? (1)

RNLockwood (224353) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575778)

Goodbye Viagra!

You are doing it wrong (2)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575794)

Dear Sony: I already control my hands with the mighty power of thought.

I want to control computers with that power now.

Re:You are doing it wrong (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576026)

No, you got it wrong: In Sony Russia, computer controls YOU.

The idea is not to give you more control over something, the idea is to get more control over you.

such an innovative (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575826)

technology can only be applied toward advancing biomedical sciences
in the greater interest of the public good and indeed that of humankind in general

its just too bad the corporation thats developed it regards its customers as bumbling tits,
their private information as no more than a step stone toward profit,
and their technology as some type of (literal as well) black box from which only cash should flow into and
conformity exercised in its presence

LulzSec and anonymous have given me a rather soured opinion of the global standard that is sony.
but i think they could start turning it around slowly if they started showing more interest in...humanity?
release the hand-thing as open source or under a floss license of their choosing...that would be neat.

otherwise its like watching OCP or the Tyrell corporation at this point :\

Re:such an innovative (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576146)

The only opinion I got from LulzSec was that they were all morons.

I see possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575830)

DRM where you slap yourself ....

This is AWESOME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575836)

Now us guys have an EXCUSE if somebody catches us in the bathroom (or *ahem* elsewhere) spankin' the monkey.

"What!? No! Somebody hacked my hand, I swear!"

In Soviet Japan.. (4, Funny)

seven of five (578993) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575850)

Playstation plays YOU.

Damn these infernal hands! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575866)

They're always touching things!

Re:Damn these infernal hands! (1)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576060)

Nice Futurama reference.

Am I the only one that thinks this is cool? (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575888)

Okay, all jokes aside, the stated use of this tech is friggin' awesome! Learning to play an instrument with an instructor that can literally position your hand for you sounds like a pretty novel experience. You could use it to help teach all kinds of musical instruments. Scale it up and you could do some pretty nifty stuff, too. I bet it'd be useful for certain types of physical therapy. You could use it for a force-feedback gaming. With some accelerometers and orientation sensors you could probably use a scaled-up version to allow paraplegics to walk again (brief distances over very flat surfaces, sure, but it'd be -something-).

Okay, having read the article now, I see they already are working on the physical therapy angle. Now we just need to see an Evil Dead game that makes use of this tech...

Am I the only one that thinks this is scary? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576034)

All the examples you give are well and good, but since we're not talking about a company or research lab I'd put any trust in, my thoughts go more to the question how this could be abused to gain control over my hands.

Re:Am I the only one that thinks this is cool? (1)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576848)

It looks pretty uncomfortable and inaccurate as of yet. I highly doubt it will properly position your hands for any real musical instrument at this point.

Developing 'muscle memory' with it while not actually playing the device is hardly the same.

New PS3 add-on... (1)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575898)

In training mode, the game controls your hands, which operate the controller.

Sony Develops Technology To Hack Your Hand (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575900)

Just think of the possible [masturbation] uses.

Re:Sony Develops Technology To Hack Your Hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576796)

They call it the "the virtual stranger".

Re:Sony Develops Technology To Hack Your Hand (1)

black soap (2201626) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579260)

And with chatroulette, it could be. You never know what they'll use your hands for....

Wont make money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36575906)

The key question is can they also disable feeling, because if so theyv'e just put fleshlight out of business and I need to buy shares in Sony.

I suspect there will be a lot of interest from young men who want to improve playing with their 'instrument'.

Re:Wont make money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576016)

Loss of pleasure during self-masturbation can mostly be attributed to the brain predicting responses to self-controlled actions. So numbing the hand wouldn't help so much.

Human Puppets (1)

fygment (444210) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575920)

blah blah blah on how this could help humanity and .01% of the world's population with a disability or in need of a prosthetic.

Tamaki is confident that people will get used to the idea once they see how useful it can be: "We believe convenient technology will overcome a feeling of fear."

Justifiable fear. What the fuck is with the Japanese penchant for controlling living things remotely? If the damn \. search was half useful you would find cockroaches and human balance having been controlled remotely. Is there no part of any of these researcher's minds that asks "What will this be used for?" or some sense of self-preservation that thinks, "Hey maybe I might end up being controlled!"

These are without a doubt the most disturbing types of experiments. When the machines take over it will not be via a war a la Skynet. Instead, mankind will simply wake up no longer able to physically do anything but minister to the machines' needs. Billions of minds trapped in bodies no longer under their control. Not assimilated, simply co-opted until no longer needed. No revolution would be possible.

-skynet command- You will now take your life. -\skynet command-

Re:Human Puppets (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576044)

If the damn \. search was half useful

Google to the rescue. "[search phrase] site:slashdot.org"

Try this link ;) [google.com]

Re:Human Puppets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36579060)

"Instead, mankind will simply wake up no longer able to physically do anything but minister to the machines' needs. Billions of minds trapped in bodies no longer under their control. Not assimilated, simply co-opted until no longer needed. No revolution would be possible."

The Bible says something akin to, there will come a time when people will seek death but won't be able to find it.... so what you're saying is especially interesting.

Re:Human Puppets (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579412)

Don't be stupid. Machines don't think. They won't rise up. Ever. That's just scifi silliness, akin to time travel and teleportation. What you should be worried about is how people will use this. People can be a lot more sinister than some fictional robot overlord. This has obvious implications in slave labor and population control. Just install some circuitry in convicted felons to keep them nice and controlled in prison, and a remote kill switch switch should do wonders for recidivism. And at that point, why not just start installing them in everyone?

Focal dystonia (1)

Andvari (685645) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575970)

I wonder if this would be able to help musicians with focal dystonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystonia)

PS3-kinect (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 3 years ago | (#36575988)

Perhaps someone could build something that would enable a PS3 and Xbox 360 to communicate using the players hands

One final performance (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576150)

Recall the movie Shooter http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0822854/ [imdb.com] ?
No more messy machines needed to set up a "suicide".

Is it like hypnosis? (1)

wrencherd (865833) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576562)

Makes me wonder if such a technology could actually make one commit suicide.

It seems implicit here that the subjects actually want to know how to play music; would it work against one's will or is the "hypnosis limitation" applicable?

Reminds me of "Gamer" (1)

Thruen (753567) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576216)

That's just the first thing that comes to mind. I know, not the best movie, but they do try to touch on some interesting ideas. I could definitely see Sony being far more evil than Dexter, too.

Which means (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576240)

Cyber bullies: 'why are You hitting yourself!?'

Stop hitting yourself! (2)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576252)

I know that this technology will end up being used by bullies.

Re:Stop hitting yourself! (1)

discord5 (798235) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576584)

I know that this technology will end up being used by bullies.

On the bright side, lawyers will be cheering on this piece of technology as sexual harassment lawsuit suddenly became a lot more complicated.

Defendant: "I'm sorry your honor, I did not mean to smack Ms Fanny Widebottom delicious booty. Sony implanted a hand controlling device in me"
Lawyer : "It's true your honor. My client simply has no control over his hands due to the defective product being hacked."

I also can't help but think about what this could do to further research into creating zombies.

Good timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576446)

They waited until Lulzsec was disbanding, they didn't want them to be able to control peoples hands all over the world.

Boomstick. (1)

Sean_Inconsequential (1883900) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576484)

1) Cut off Sony rooted hand.
2) Replace with chainsaw.
3) ????
4) Kill demons.

The hidden agenda is (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576500)

Sony's hidden agenda here is to control the hand to get out the wallet and buy more Sony Crap.

Move the hand forward (1)

WizardMarnok (2032762) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576556)

Move the minute hand forward on the Borgday clock.

Evil Hand (1)

Vegemeister (1259976) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576602)

I'll just leave this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewQwZroEuec [youtube.com]

The obvious question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576646)

If a computer controls my hand....

is it masturbation, or sex with a cyborg?

For paraplegics... (1)

ZSpade (812879) | more than 3 years ago | (#36576902)

I wonder if this could be coupled with the 'thinking cap' technology that allows you to control your computer with your thoughts. Control your hand with your mind, even if the nerves in between have been severed. Would obviously work best before atrophy set in.

Re:For paraplegics... (1)

leftover (210560) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577258)

Google for "Functional Muscle Stimulation" research over the last 3 decades. Some recent big milestones too.
I visited one researcher and saw the neat rows and columns of circular scars where he had taken core samples of
his own muscles during experiments. n > 100. That is dedication.

Dr. Strangelove syndrome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36576974)

Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! [wikimedia.org]

Obligatory comic strip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36577180)

Obligatory comic strip [cad-comic.com]

Welcome news for the basement dwellers (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577414)

With technology like this, who needs a girlfriend?

Combat Training! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36577536)

Jiu Jitsu?

I'm gonna learn Jiu Jitsu?

Don't watch the Matrix on Blu-Ray! (1)

Warhawke (1312723) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577758)

"Phone for help? What good is a phone-call, Mr. Anderson, if you are unable to put down the controller?"

Stranger (1)

Crock23A (1124275) | more than 3 years ago | (#36577776)

Now we have the technology to perform a stranger without blood loss to the extremities.

Just how much is being learned by the brain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36578104)

Cool, i will be able learn to play guitar by having my fingers electronically pluck the strings for days and after that i can pick up a guitar and play like Jimi Hendrix!! NOT!!

actaully very interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36578340)

the problem with motion controls, especially for swords related movements, is there's no feedback when you swing and encounter and object (like a shield)
while it had insidious applications as well, this tech could be used as a force feedback mechanism in order to stop your arm mid-swing as you encounter resistance in-game

Idle Hands (1)

Trevorm7 (1082535) | more than 3 years ago | (#36578358)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138510/ [imdb.com] Makes me think this is not such a good idea. Especially with Sony doing it...

The excuse is dead, long live the excuse (1)

int19h (156487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579284)

It wasn't me, it was my hand.

Outstanding! (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 3 years ago | (#36579432)

I wonder if it could teach the girls new tricks. :)

Sony Hand? (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | more than 3 years ago | (#36580496)

You probably need a special proprietary Sony hand, because Sony products seem to have exceptional capabilities for getting hacked. I would think our own genetics would make for some tougher hacking than anything Sony puts out or uses, which would obviously call for a third-party hand.

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