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TSA Has 95-Year-Old Remove Her Diaper For Screening

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the security-theater dept.

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wjcofkc writes "The Transportation Security Administration stood by its security officers Sunday after a Florida woman complained that her cancer-stricken, 95-year-old mother was patted down and forced to remove her adult diaper while going through security. 'While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner,' the federal agency said. 'We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'"

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PROFILED (4, Insightful)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583116)

Clearly she fits the terrorist criminal profile.

Re:PROFILED (3, Insightful)

michelcolman (1208008) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583190)

Obviously. Intelligence has determined that all the younger terrorists must have blown themselves up already. This means the likelihood of elderly suicide bombers has increased tremendously. It's only logical. Keep up the good work, TSA!

Re:PROFILED (3, Insightful)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583200)

Terrorists use eight year old kids as vessel for their explosives, precisely because security is sometimes lowered for obviously innocent types. Not to say I appreciate the security bloatfest of the past decade, absolutely not... but being old or disabled is not a "get out of security checkpoints free" card and never should be. Can't respond on the individual case, I wasn't there.

Re:PROFILED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583268)

Terrorists use eight year old kids as vessel for their explosives, precisely because security is sometimes lowered for obviously innocent types. Not to say I appreciate the security bloatfest of the past decade, absolutely not... but being old or disabled is not a "get out of security checkpoints free" card and never should be. Can't respond on the individual case, I wasn't there.

oh PULEESE! You just want a chance to check out some nice 95-year-old cooter

Re:PROFILED (5, Insightful)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583314)

And to that I say... 'so?'

People die every day, and in the US it's more likely to be from bee stings than terrorist activity.
Yet we've determined to spend billions to make that a zero percentage. What about those terrorist bees!?

Re:PROFILED (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583400)

I think Wanted takes the trophy for terrorist animals. Not bees as such, rats, but they do a whole lot more damage too...

Re:PROFILED (5, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583422)

This.

We shouldn't be granting exceptions we should be scrapping the program entirely. 9/11 would not have succeeded had the airline industry not been so cheap as to not pay for the kind of reinforced doors that had been in place in planes flown in other parts of the world. Additionally, had we not banned knives on planes, it's unlikely that the plot would have succeeded either as the terrorists would have been outnumbered.

It's astonishing to me how many people think that another 9/11 style kamikaze jet liner attack could happen that way given the awareness that the hijacker hostage deal has changed and that being quiet no longer guarantees that the situation ends in the inconvenience of being flown to Libya or Cuba. At this point, they're going to just bomb the security check points like they do in other parts of the world, much easier to succeed doing that and definitely enough bloodshed to keep people terrorized for years to come.

Want to live? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583456)

Don't diss bees. They work very hard and then we steal their honey. Also, they don't sting unless they are in mortal peril, or if their hive is threatened. Bees are very docile. Appreciate them, they deserve it.

Obligatory car analogy: people die in car crashes every day. Most of them could have easily been avoided. We don't try to do that, because we feel we have the right to behave how we want in our car. Freedom and all that. Drunk drivers think it is ok to drive when intoxicated, even if they are told it has a higher risk. We still use our mobile phone in the car, even if study after study proves it is rather dangerous. Some cars aren't really fit to be on the road, but does that stop us?

But somehow we feel we should have our genitals groped on the off chance there might be a non-savoury passenger aboard. Even when the drive to the airport is several orders of magnitude more dangerous.

We are a stupid lot, really.

Re:PROFILED (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583464)

People do not like the reality that all this "security" has no benefit. Were already allowing the things that were used to hijack planes on-board (razors and lighters/matches classic jail house weapon and they can not stop them there either). Security was improved the moment that the passengers figured out it was in there own interest to stop the terrorists and not wait to be rescued. Governments hate an empowered populace it reduces there control.

Want to stop terrorism, eradicate the potential threat, it's rather nasty business and nearly impractical at this point. Give repercussions to people willing to kill themselves for there cause, group punishments again rather nasty business to punish the people that the terrorists cared for.

Re:PROFILED (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583624)

<advocacy=devil>Bees provide a service necessary to life as we love it. What service do terrorists provide?</advocacy>

Re:PROFILED (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583508)

Armed criminals often conceal weapons under clothing, precisely because their weapons would otherwise be obvious.

Clearly the only way we could ever feel safe enough to walk down the street is to outlaw all clothing. Makes sense to me. Do you see a flaw in this thinking?

Re:PROFILED (5, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583580)

Terrorists use eight year old kids as vessel for their explosives

Your basis for this is that airplanes are falling out of the sky like hail from children rigged to explode? or that the TSA catches all kinds of children wired to blow? Or, are you a coward living in fear, willing to give up your rights to not be molested and humiliated by TSA who have never, ever caught a terrorist?

Re:PROFILED (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583604)

A lot has been said in reply to your post, but one word in one post sums it ip nicely:

So

Re:PROFILED (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583214)

The profile of an intelligent, dangerous, hidden sleeper terrorist waiting for a long time for a chance, using her age as a disguise.

Re:PROFILED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583218)

Hey. She's about to die of cancer. Clearly she has nothing to live for and is therefore an ideal Al Qaida recruit.

Re:PROFILED (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583278)

Clearly she fits the terrorist criminal profile.

Terrorists aren't complete morons.

A white, pregnant Catholic Irishwoman doesn't fit the terrorist profile either.

And yet, there was a bomb in her luggage, placed by her Jordanian fiancee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair [wikipedia.org]

Re:PROFILED (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583390)

So you saying someone would hide a bomb in this woman's DIAPER without her knowing it? :)

Re:PROFILED (5, Interesting)

Mr. Foogle (253554) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583500)

Terrorists aren't complete morons.

This is true. Which is why TSA has never caught one.

Perhaps we should re-think this whole airport security thing.

Re:PROFILED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583518)

"A white, pregnant Catholic Irishwoman doesn't fit the terrorist profile either."

Yep, no Irishmen or women were ever in the IRA, provisional or otherwise.

Re:PROFILED (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583546)

And it got a Wikipedia page called the "Hindawi Affair". Hmm a few nights ago someone had a car crash, I wonder what the wikipedia page for that car crash is called..... oh right.... they only do that for events that are incredibly rare. So rare as to... not be worth talking about. Seriously, if this is what airport security is supposed to protect us from, then we can fire them all....totally unneeded.

Re:PROFILED (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583386)

If they were [allowed to use] profiling we wouldn't have these sad incidents.

Re:PROFILED (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583562)

Yeah you'd have planes blown up my non-brown people instead.

Well, OK, so terrorists very rarely try to get bombs on planes, and if they did, the passengers would probably stop them from setting it off, but you'd be creating a huge vulnerability by focusing on a certain profile. Same reason security software doesn't only scan files handled by Java, Flash, IE and Autorun.

Re:PROFILED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583512)

Wait, I thought most people here considered profiling to be a very bad thing, and the appropriate action would be to screen a completely random subset of passengers, with no exceptions?

Re:PROFILED (1)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583530)

This guy will be the scapegoat: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/8113296/Asian-man-boards-plane-disguised-as-old-white-man.html [telegraph.co.uk]

  'We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure.'

If we don't like the procedures we need to change them. Profiling is seen as discriminatory in this country (US). What country(ies) are we using as a case study for our procedures anyway? How is Europe's TSA equivalent standards? Are we closer to them than Israel?

Not to sound insensitive, but a decade out from the only real major foreign non-war attack on the US in decades do we really need to base our TSA security on the scale of a country that gets rocket attacked and suicide bombed on a weekly, if not daily, basis.

Yeah, she "dropped a bomb". (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583586)

There should be a stretchable fabric duffle bag that lays flat until you stretch it around whatever your carrying. If you unzip it, then it snaps back to flat. And then people should check them with large numbers of marbles inside. Inspect luggage, fill room with marbles. woo!

Re:PROFILED (0)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583648)

this is REAL NIGGER ACTIVITY! KILL ALL TSA assholes and supervisors. The never get it right and
they reduce our rights, for about $8.00 dollars an hour! Fuck them dot com. Mod me down, you
chicken shits. Allow your right to fade away. I will not protect your lazy asses rights, for any reason.!!!!!

TSA is crazy. (0)

Dr.Bob,DC (2076168) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583118)


TSA has gone too far, this woman was 95! Does she fit the terrorist profile? Oh wait, no we can't profile, we have to treat everyone equally.

The fact that the diaper was firm and wet brings up another serious matter: urea and your health. Urine contains a lot of urea, once disposed of it breaks down in the environment fairly fast. However keeping it close to your body where it absorbs in through the skin has been suspected as the cause for skin and nervous system issues over the past ~20 years.

Back in the day before diapers were super-absorbant, they would be disposed of right away. Now, though, the diaper is kept tight against the skin, filling up with urea. It's no coincidence that when some chiropractors work on infants (I refuse those under ~3, allowing their spines time to set), they notice that diaper rash is almost a guarantee of spinal and nerve issues. Without thinking, the parents are filling their precious child's system full of urea and other toxins.

As a suggestion to parents: check your child (or elderly person's) diaper frequently. When the first sign of wetness appears: CHANGE IT. Don't let it fester and absorb into the system where it does harm. Most importantly: if your child has diaper rash, get him/her into a Chiropractor for an immediate diagnosis. There may be no signs of subluxation, but why take a chance?

Take care,
Bob

Re:TSA is crazy. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583242)

LOL to a chiropractor? Are you fucking kidding me? Take them to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL like a DOCTOR not a fucking quack. Seriously, those last 2 sentences have got to be a troll. Dumbfuck chiropractors think they can treat everything when they're the cause of more injuries than they could even pretend to fix.

Re:TSA is crazy. (1)

Dr.Bob,DC (2076168) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583300)

DC = "Doctor of Chiropractic", a Doctor.

If you think you'd be better off going to a BigPharma shill like an "MD", cross your fingers and get ready for the prescriptions.

Re:TSA is crazy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583448)

Yeah, Dr. Bob. But don't worry, this MD will be waiting for you at the ER when you get REALLY sick. And I'll be sure to prescribe lots of "big pharma" poisons for you. Staying in a hospital bed for a long time kinda sucks though and you will probably get a back-ache, so after your stay with us you're welcome to visit one of your spine-cracker buddies.

Re:TSA is crazy. (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583596)

Is there any way you can refuse him treatment based on his beliefs and allow him to try to treat himself with his own bullshit?

Re:TSA is crazy. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583322)

LOL to a chiropractor? Are you fucking kidding me? Take them to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL like a DOCTOR not a fucking quack. Seriously, those last 2 sentences have got to be a troll. Dumbfuck chiropractors think they can treat everything when they're the cause of more injuries than they could even pretend to fix.

"Doctor" Bob prescribes another round of Whoosh! as the first one was not effective.

Could've been worse (4, Insightful)

Zerth (26112) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583130)

Re:Could've been worse (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583578)

Well...it did have liquid in it!

I think the TSA agents should be required to personally inspect the contents of EVERY such bag!

Start looking for terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583138)

Stop assaulting children and the elderly.

Re:Start looking for terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583180)

herp derp I'm so stupid I don't know that terrorists have little kids and grannies too and are all too happy to blow them up.

QFT

Re:Start looking for terrorists (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583352)

Meanwhile, every month people die in car accidents to equal about another 9/11.

Clearly our priorities should be stopping an event less likely than a shark attack rather than...bah, whatever, enjoy your security theater...

Terrorist (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583140)

She was smuggling biological agents onto the plane and had to be stopped. She should be HAPPY she didn't get shot on the spot.

Pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583142)

Guess the TSA agents hadn't had their fix of granny porn that day.

Sick of this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583150)

There goes the bottom 10% of high school drop-outs violating the rest of our civil liberties.

We have to defend our Freedom (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583170)

If the Italians weren't such terroristic monsters determined to destroy freedom, democfracy and capitalism, then we wouldn't need our police state, but unlike some liberal la-la-land whiners who want to roll out the red carpet for the Italians, I live in the real world where freedom needs to be defended against the Italian menace. Try wearing a diaper in Italy and see how long you last!

Independent review needed (4, Informative)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583174)

I love how the TSA says that they reviewed the case and gave a pass to their own people. IMHO, there needs to be an independent review board for bullsh*t like this. That aside, I think the woman should have put a plastic turd in there just to piss them off (you know, because a real one would be gross).

Re:Independent review needed (2)

TC Wilcox (954812) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583364)

I love how the TSA says that they reviewed the case and gave a pass to their own people. IMHO, there needs to be an independent review board for bullsh*t like this. That aside, I think the woman should have put a plastic turd in there just to piss them off (you know, because a real one would be gross).

There were actually real turds in her diaper. That is why the TSA clerks wanted her to change it in the first place. I guess even though they don't mind feeling up everyone walking through the line they do mind poo.

Re:Independent review needed (5, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583654)

IMHO, there needs to be an independent review board for bullsh*t like this.

In my opinion, the TSA needs to be eliminated completely. They don't appear to be doing much good, violate peoples' privacy, and even if they capture a few 'terrorists', I don't believe that forcing innocent people to be searched is worth it (especially considering the low chances of terrorist attacks in the first place). More security on the planes themselves (such as reinforced doors) is better, in my opinion.

When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically... (1)

[Zappo] (68222) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583184)

...from who are the TSA protecting me when they scan me or pat me down?

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583280)

Yourself, before you get any 'strange' ideas in your head about living in a civilized nation of liberty.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583288)

I think the TSA went way overboard here, but your question is fscking retarded. You may remember a certain Tuesday morning when domestic flights were re-routed by passengers with malicious intent.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (5, Insightful)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583424)

Yep, and thanks to them, they got to pull off a one time only ever event. Plane hijackings stopped becoming a legitimate terrorist tool as soon as the first tower was hit. (Who came out of 9/11 as the biggest heroes? United 93.)

The fact is terrorists are NOT stupid. They know they can't pull this off again, but they're having a hell of a time laughing at us pissing ourselves to soaking levels every time someone drops a penny at a security line.

Your pussy nature has let them win, exactly what you think you're trying to prevent.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn depressing.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583522)

The fact that 3000 people were killed on 9/11, ten years ago is not justification for every single action which has the label "anti-terrorism" attached to it.

In the US around 35,000 people are killed every single year as a result of road fatalities. If the same paranoia were applied to this much larger figure, speed limits would be e.g. radically cut and there would be mandatory alcohol and drugs testing before each road journey.

There's a balance to be made between risk and liberty/inconvenience. And the one that is currently being made in air transport security is ridiculous.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (2)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583380)

According to them, these processes are preventative measures to keep somebody from smuggling a weapon onto the plane, thereby allegedly protecting *all* of the passengers, even though you are definitely correct in pointing out that what is done to any given individual does not protect them at all, personally... the TSA's response would likely be that putting you personally through such processes protects others... and putting others through it, in turn, protects you individually.

Of course, the above should not be construed in any way that I think these measures are a good thing... only that I can see their point of view - even if it does come from something that, IMO, qualifies as outright paranoia.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583606)

Eventually you take the small chance of death to avoid having an elderly woman have to remove her only diaper, americans are cowardly people taking their own safety to absurd levels. Goes right along with bankrupting yourself to fight a "war".

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583638)

Since the formation of the TSA, every attempted terrorist attack has been stopped by passengers or intelligence agencies. The TSA fails at here job 100% of the time. They talk about all the weapons they have confiscated..Mostly pocketknives and an ocassioal handgun forgotten about in a bag. The guns would have been found by the old system and the pocket knifed don't matter anymore.

I am sure theynare counting globes too.

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583476)

From yourself, of course. Imagine how chaotic it would be if everyone suddenly claimed their dignity!

Re:When I'm a U.S. citizen traveling domestically. (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583592)

This is what happens when America elects morons to do their thinking for them. Americans need to start thinking for themselves instead of pushing the job off on others. I saw a bumper sticker the other day, "America: Now outsourcing thinking!"

According to some sources ... (2)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583192)

According to some sources, they didn't find no shit

Other sources say ... (4, Funny)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583206)

Other sources say they found some shit

Re:Other sources say ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583350)

Other sources say they found some shit

Other sources say they found some shit

sounds sexy.

the pat-downs will continue.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583194)

..until morale improves.

(or, did I get that quote wrong?)

they must have thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583198)

...that it was a dirty bomb! har har

Sensitive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583220)

Sensitive? What a load of shit.

The British Disease (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583222)

America has lost its self-confidence, the fuzzy wuzzies are throwing off the shackles of American hegemony. America doesn't make anything and the rest of the world has caught up with design. Banks rule Americas ass and jobsworths are multiplying like fleas on a dog. A third of its population live in poverty while it bombs an African country with the highest living standard in the region back to the stone age.

Stick a fork in America's ass cuz its done.

Chimp tactics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583248)

Perhaps they thought she would fling poo as a weapon?

Perhaps we need another amendment? (2)

webgovernor (1852402) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583270)

Perhaps we need a new amendment, let's call it "the 4th amendment", that gives us a right to privacy of our persons and belongings. I mean, with a sealed airplane cabin, you're better off bombing a subway if you're going for death toll -- I fail to see a need for this behavior.

Re:Perhaps we need another amendment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583468)

Let's also say we have a legal term called "consent." You would give it by buying a ticket, arriving at the airport, and then entering a secure zone where searches, you knew would occur, amazingly enough, occur. Entering the secure area you have consented to be searched. That means you have waived your 4th Amendment rights. It's been this way now for almost 40 years.

Panic! I just found out my rights, in a very limited and completely voluntary situation, were gone 40 years ago it's still Bush's/Obama's fault, though. Damn TSA and their time machine.

This is in no way condoning the need of TSA; just that the legality of what they do was settled before I was even born.

wow. consent. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583620)

with your moronic logic, it would be easy to justify slavery, as long as two parties consented to it.

Re:Perhaps we need another amendment? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583516)

Shut up or they'll require screenings to go into the subway. I'm just waiting for them to realize what a terrorist target those security check points are. I'm guessing that rather than do something sane about it that the result will be a security check point before getting into the security line...

Re:Perhaps we need another amendment? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583680)

Shut up or they'll require screenings to go into the subway. I'm just waiting for them to realize what a terrorist target those security check points are.

s/terrorist target/cash cow [alternet.org]/

This is why transparency is so critical to freedom. It's critical that we know who is profiting, because one of the major benefits of capitalism is being able to follow the money to find out who's fucking who.

Americans are craven, spineless cowards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583296)

Nobody respects you, and everybody is sick of your race to the bottom.

You arent the greatest ANYTHING. Not even close. Do yourself a favor, drop the jingos, and pull your heads out of your assholes.

Re:Americans are craven, spineless cowards (1)

BrokenBeta (1007449) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583382)

Nobody respects you, and everybody is sick of your race to the bottom.

well they are winning the race to the bottom

The only thing more disgusting.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583308)

..than the criminal act of these cowards towards this woman, are the comments responding to the CNN.com article in support of the TSA. Are you americans REALLY that stupid? "The Terrorists (TM)" might use a grandmother as a potential suicide bomber?

She should have filled it first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583348)

That's what I would have done.

Either you have screening or you don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583394)

If you make exceptions to the rule those will be the ways the bomb is smuggled through. Whether it be a woman in a burka, an old lady wearing a diaper, a conservative looking chap in a pin striped suit, a Sikh in a turban, a pregnant lady or mother with a push chair.

I have no idea whether screening serves a useful purpose (I suspect it does deter terrorist acts but anyway...) but if you are going to have screening everyone has to expect to be pulled out of the queue and searched regardless of who they are.

All you dopey liberal armchair fools with a guilt chip on your shoulder would be the first to be out protesting if the security staff actually did let a bomber through without screening.

Re:Either you have screening or you don't (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583642)

Actually, if there was an airine that let me get on, buy a ticket for cash with no id, and had no security checkpoint....I would choose to fly it every single time.

The real truth is, you can have all the screening you want, the terrorist chooses his target. Your BEST CASE SCENARIO is he moves on and attacks a school or subway instead. In truth, you probably have no chance in hell of actually stopping every terrorist who tries to get a plane.

Even if you could, he could just.... blow up the checkpoint....or the line in front of it. There is no win, there is no "security" Its all for show, 100%

Unfortunate, but possibly necessary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583436)

That this would happen to this invidual, that clearly isn't a terrorist, is unfortunate.
But, elderly people in general do fit the profile of a terrorist on the following main points:
a) They are likely to have reconciled with death.
b) They are often disgruntled with society.
c) They have a lot of spare time on their hands and are therefore more likely to stumble into Islamic forums on the Internet and become converted.

hear ye, hear ye - it happened (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583632)

a moron has just justified and rationalized this crap by fitting elderly people with diapers into the terrorist profile !!

The TSA is run by idiots, for idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583442)

All you pathetic fools who have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed
by the government deserve exactly what you get.

Now drop your pants, and bend over and cough.

This is why profiling works. (1, Troll)

BlueKitties (1541613) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583458)

Everyone who thinks this is absurd has implicitly argued that profiling -- racial, gender, and otherwise -- works.

Re:This is why profiling works. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583582)

And this is why we make such great targets. We'll bend ourselves in pretzels trying to prove we're not racists.

Re:This is why profiling works. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583626)

Yup -- I bet Israel would happily give this lady a pass. Because they're strip-searching every single young Arab male.

It works. But is it right? Personally, I'm conflicted.

Re:This is why profiling works. (2, Insightful)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583616)

So anyone who thinks this ridiculous security theater is absurd is a narrow minded bigot? Well then, if being against molesting children [slashdot.org] and harassing the elderly to no gain makes me a bigot, I suppose I am.

Special school for TSA press agents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583498)

Where they teach them to lie with a straight face when they say that they have reviewed the incident and found it to be according to their rigid standards...

Que the Spaceballs trooper with the pick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583504)

"We ain't found shit"

I'm going to hell for this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583564)

but the probability of a dirty bomb is huge!!

Couldn't care less (4, Interesting)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583614)

America is on my No-Fly List, and has been for a good long while.

I can simulate the air travel experience in my own room by pushing my desk chair all the way up to my desk, putting a couple of boxes in front of my legs, and watching DVDs from 8 years ago on repeat. For that added authentic experience, i'll invite two fat sweaty nerds to sit either side of me and flick peanuts at each other. The icing on the cake really is the 45 year old balding rent-a-cop sexually assaulting me at my bedroom door.

Seriously. Never going to America again.

TSA and the US of A have jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583618)

The rest of the civilized world has dealt with and knows how to deal with terrorism and terrorist threats. The only country that doesn't know how is the US. The TSA is a real fascist organization, its amazing to see just how subservient the american populace has become. You know all those dystopian futures you'd see in hollywood AB serie movies ? Well thats the US for you. Good thing I visited the US when it was still the country of the free and they welcomed foreign tourists.

I'd just post this (preface to the novel Patriot Games) because it exemplifies everything thats gone wrong in the last decade in the US of A :

  Behind all the political rhetoric being hurled at us from abroad, we are bringing home one unassailable fact -- [terrorism is] a crime by any civilized standard, committed against innocent people, away from the scene of political conflict, and must be dealt with as a crime...
  In our recognition of the nature of terrorism as a crime lies our best hope of dealing with it. ...
  Let us use the tools that we have. Let use invoke the cooperation we have the right to expect around the world, and with that cooperation let us shrink the dark and dank areas of sanctuary until these cowardly marauders are held to answer as criminals in an open and public trial for the crimes they have committed, and receive the punishment they so richly deserve.

-- WILLIAM H. WEBSTER, Director,
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
October 15, 1985

Rose by any other name (3, Insightful)

buravirgil (137856) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583622)

Can stink. While the War on Drugs (patent pending) is being comically questioned in Congress, the TSA has always, and continues, to countenance its spirit as 'terror'. Drug interdiction is the concern and naked ambition pursued by "securing" airports with the Patriot Act. Termed "controversial invocations" by Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act [wikipedia.org] What this incident revealed is an established "thinking" of TSA agents, akin to police popularizing incidents of mothers hiding crack in a baby's diaper, and that no one is above suspicion. And extreme acts are how agents of power assert policy. Should there be a "rule"? In what regard? Ages 55-100? People in a wheel-chair? This action is a form of active propaganda-- because if we can all condemn this action as too extreme, actions upon everybody else is all the more normalized.

Insist on hand search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36583630)

Flew 4 segments last week, refused X-ray scanner each time. TSA guys did not like it, bit surly. Told me I'd get 4 x the radiation on my x-country flight. I replied that was true only if their machine was working properly, but even then, I reduced my dosage by 20%. But at least they were gentle with my junk.

Why did they let her on the plane at all? (5, Insightful)

BetterSense (1398915) | more than 2 years ago | (#36583662)

If they really thought she had explosives...would they have let her on the plane? Of course not.

A lot of people seem to miss this simple point through, I guess, conditioning.

By letting the old lady get on the plane, they admit that they are extremely confident that she is NOT a terrorist and whatever was in her pants is completely harmless. Otherwise they would never let her on the plane. And this goes for all the people who have their play-doh, baby bottles, cheese, etc confiscated. If TSA had even a small reason to believe those things were actual explosives, you would not be flying that day, no fucking way. I mean, what do they do with the supposed possible-explosives they confiscate? If they are possibly explosives, shouldn't they put them in some explosion-safe location and have a bomb expert examine them to determine the danger? They don't do any of that, because they known goddam well that the baby bottles and cheese they confiscate is perfectly harmless. They just confiscate it anyway, because they are thugs and they can.

If I try to get on a plane and they honest-to-god find explosives on me, and honest-to-god think that I'm going to blow up the fucking plane, do they just let me leave the line, dispose of my explosives, and then get back on the plane? Of course not. They would never do that. Honestly, I don't know what they would do--I don't think they would know what to do with a real bomb or a terrorist if they actually caught one--but they would probably shut the whole terminal down, call the bomb squad, and arrest me. The fact that they do none of those things when the confiscate my cheese is proof that they know I'm harmless, but they steal my shit anyway. In this case, they knew that this old lady was harmless--you know this--but they just bullied her anyway, because they are thugs and they can.
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