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Video Games Expected To Drive 3D Mobile Phone Sales

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the angry-birds-3d-will-probably-do-it-too dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from Forbes: "Nintendo started the mainstream push into glasses free (autostereoscopic) 3D gaming with its Nintendo 3DS system earlier this year. While sales were decent for the device, the price point, hardcore focus and lack of killer app games have failed to replicate the mainstream success of Nintendo DSi. But a strong E3 with top-tier 3D games ... should help attract a broader audience to the device, especially once Nintendo offers a price cut. While some have called 3D phones gimmicky, these devices are already commonplace in Asia. And with an influx of new 3D phones entering the market this year, coupled with the Nintendo 3DS, Jim Cameron recently [said] he sees these glasses-free devices as being key for the adoption of 3D TVs in the homes. He said autostereoscopic 3D games will be the entry level for most people to 3D. While the technology for big screen glasses free 3D is still further away, small devices like 3D phones and Nintendo 3DS will show off the technology."

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39 comments

Maybe (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 3 years ago | (#36588860)

Even a quality gaming system that is part of a phone needs to have a good phone experience as well. Crappy phone + good gaming = mediocrity. Also, am I the only one who thinks this whole 3D push is just more marketing crap? Is the experience unique enough and good enough to make it work it?

Re:Maybe (1)

OffaMyLawn (1885682) | about 3 years ago | (#36588910)

One of my co-workers just bought a phone with 3D. His take, and I have to share his opinion, is that "3D is a neat feature to goof off with when you first get it, but after a while you just really want it to go away."

Honestly, it just seems like a way for the big consumer tech companies to milk money out of people who have no sense.

Re:Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36589102)

I thought of 3D this way a long time. It sucks, yet they still are pushing it. I can't wait for holograms!

Re:Maybe (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 3 years ago | (#36589154)

That's not the point. This is a bit like mp3 ringtones - completely pointless from a practical point of view (pure beeps are much more audible) but in a world where phones are status symbols they helped sell an awful lot of new phones.

Re:Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36592208)

Custom ringtones and 3D can make the phone more enjoyable to use. That is the most important thing for any product. After all, if I don't enjoy it why would I want it?

Re:Maybe (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 3 years ago | (#36597986)

I have a very practical use for per-contact Mp3 ringtones: I can decide without opening my eyes whether to wake up and answer it.

(My girlfriend fell off the wake-up list as of last night, when she called at 1AM to bitch about her cat's bladder infection...)

Re:Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36602514)

Like it or not, nobody can stop the progress, you can only slow it down.
For me, high tech progress is never fast enough.
Whatever they create, it is always better and better.
I would like to see what future will be made off in 10,20 ... years.
My next cell phone will be a 3D one, after I've seen HTC Evo 3D screen. But not just now, because it has its flaws with the camera and battery. But... the magic is here folks, even if you're not fascinated. 3D WITHOUT GLASSES! Imagine someone told you that 5 years ago, you would laughed your a*ses off...
Life is fun, go for it. :)

Re:Maybe (1)

HellYeahAutomaton (815542) | about 3 years ago | (#36589016)

2003 called and they want their N-Gage [wikipedia.org] back.

Re:Maybe (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 3 years ago | (#36589164)

Even a quality gaming system that is part of a phone needs to have a good phone experience as well. Crappy phone + good gaming = mediocrity.

Awww, is somebody on your lawn?

Re:Maybe (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 3 years ago | (#36589254)

Awww, is somebody on your lawn?

Yes, but they aren't there to deliver a quality product, so they need to find somewhere else to hock their wares.

Re:Maybe (1)

luigi517 (1169353) | about 3 years ago | (#36589328)

That doesn't even make sense, if you want a 3D gaming device buy a DS but even the most hardcore gamer needs to send a text, write an email, or make a call every now and then, e.g. phone functionality is a must.

Cheaper to carry two devices (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36589512)

if you want a 3D gaming device buy a DS but even the most hardcore gamer needs to send a text, write an email, or make a call every now and then, e.g. phone functionality is a must.

The fact remains that it's cheaper to carry two devices: one feature phone and one not-a-phone. This is because service for feature phones in the United States is still far cheaper than service for smartphones.

Re:Cheaper to carry two devices (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | about 3 years ago | (#36591108)

That's what you get when you have deregulated telecommunications. Here in Australia we don't have that problem, a mobile phone is a mobile phone, service & price is the same across the board per provider. It's up to the provider to set the charges, but they can't charge more because one phone is a 'feature phone' and one is a 'smartphone'. That's called profiteering when both use the same services.

Enjoy your small government and lack regulation.

Re:Cheaper to carry two devices (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36591796)

It's up to the provider to set the charges, but they can't charge more because one phone is a 'feature phone' and one is a 'smartphone'.

Of course they can't. But they can charge $5 per month for a "phone that doesn't use a data plan" and $60 per month for a "phone that uses a data plan".

Re:Cheaper to carry two devices (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 years ago | (#36604994)

I really have to laugh when you try to put positive spin on Australia's Telecom industry. Hell, Blizzard wont even park a server on your island because of your retarded Telecoms.

Re:Maybe (1)

Dvija (2300256) | about 3 years ago | (#36589260)

In my experience seeing Avatar in 3d was neat, but home theater experiences have been crappy. So many companies are pushing 3D, but its seems like a gimicky oddity\curiosity at best, not a key feature. I cant imaging it will be any better on a tiny screen without those ridiculous glasses.

Re:Maybe (1)

LibRT (1966204) | about 3 years ago | (#36590106)

That can work both ways: great phone + crappy games = mediocrity (see blackberry).

As an aside, I have a 3DS and I think the 3D is fantastic, and more than a novelty, but quickly grew bored of the games (Pilotwings and the horrible Pirates of the Caribbean 3D). Crappy game + cool 3D = mediocrity too.

Gimmicks are not killer apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36588890)

And never will be.

What do you mean further away? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36588936)

"While the technology for big screen glasses free 3D is still further away..."

I was at a manufacturer show A YEAR AGO in Montreal and some of them already had 40 inches autostereoscopic displays.

Re:What do you mean further away? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36626282)

And? Years ago there were SED TVs that size at shows like that but they never made it to market. The question is, can these 3D TVs be made cheap enough for people to by and are they good enough, if it doesn't work well under typical use (not just in a trade show demo) there is no point trying to sell it.

Stoppped reading at... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36588942)

Stopped reading at "killer app"

asia is as asia does (1)

fusiongyro (55524) | about 3 years ago | (#36589034)

MiniDisc players are still fairly common in Japan. Popularity in Asia is a very different thing than popularity here.

So... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#36589078)

Let's get this straight:

The lackluster acceptance of one of Nintendo's weaker offerings in the mobile arena, where it traditionally excels, along with the fact that any use that isn't a complete gimmick will restrict the 3D game to a very limited selection of devices(and we all know how developers love cutting into their potential install base), and the assertion that the feature is big in Asia, a market well known for normally not embracing gimmicks and for accurately forecasting the development of the mobile phone markets of Europe and the Americas, will, in combination with the present unavailability of such screens for larger devices, serve to drive adoption?

Srsly?

Portrait vs. Landscape? (2)

RoverDaddy (869116) | about 3 years ago | (#36589572)

I'm wondering how the technology behind the 3DS will work on a screen you can rotate? Will you get 3D in both orientations? How much will the picture quality (in either orientation) be affected while 3D is off?

Re:Portrait vs. Landscape? (2)

markdavis (642305) | about 3 years ago | (#36592822)

You mean like the new Evo 3D? The answer is "no", it only works 3D in landscape with this technology.

And when the 3D is "off", it doesn't affect the screen/display quality at all (resolution, brightness, clarity, etc). 3D is only used for media or certain games. It is not part of the UI (thankfully).

I am not that impressed with the technology. It works, but it hurts my eyes and the angle of effect is very low.

Please god no!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36589818)

Please god no!!!

Apple 3Di (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 3 years ago | (#36590046)

Wait for it. Wait..... Ahem, taking bets on a future Apple 3DiPad or 3DiPhone. How soon will it come?

Re:Apple 3Di (1)

markdavis (642305) | about 3 years ago | (#36592876)

Apple? Where have you been? The Sprint HTC Evo 3D came out last Friday.

Re:Apple 3Di (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 years ago | (#36605012)

It wont. The tech doesnt work well enough or even looks like its going to improve in the near future. Steve wont touch it.

I actually kind of liked the 3D on the 3DS... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 3 years ago | (#36590080)

I think the 3DS's launch lineup is its big problem, more so than the 3D gimmick. I got one a week ahead of the release of Ocarina of Time 3D, and went looking for a game to get to play on it after discovering that the included "games" are really kind of stupid. (And, in the case of AR Games, impossible to play with the 3D on. But I think enough people can explain that.) I wound up buying Link's Awakening DX off the virtual console. Probably the best game available for the 3DS at the time, if you exclude existing DS games.

But OOT3D is out now, so I've been playing it. It's a really good game. Then again, OOT was probably the best game of its time, and this is basically the original in 3D with improved graphics. (The textures are higher-res, and various things that were sprites or pre-rendered are now full 3D models.) There are some user interface tweaks to improve things here and there (for example, boots are now just a regular item that can be toggled on and off with a button).

And, as the subject says, I actually like the 3D effect. I honestly like the way the game plays with actual 3D graphics.

I turned 3D off after completing the second temple.

Really, that's all there is to say about it - despite the fact that I actually enjoyed the 3D experience, I wound up turning it off because it required too rigid a viewing angle for a hand-held device.

Turns out turning off the 3D makes the graphics look somewhat better - the screen is clearer (really, it's a very nice and vibrant screen with the 3D off), and OOT3D at least turns on antialiasing in 2D mode, making the image nicer.

Honestly, the most fun I've had with the 3DS and 3D mode is playing around with the 3D camera.

Youtube (1)

ksandom (718283) | about 3 years ago | (#36590456)

Having made a lot of 3D content for youtube, I'm quite interested to see youtube update their app for this.

Re:Youtube (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36593544)

Hey there,

YouTube 3D Product Manager here. We've actually already updated our app for 3D phones. You can upload content from the LG Optimus 3D / Thrill 3D, and the Evo 3D to YouTube in 3D, as well as watch 3D content on the phones. Check it out!

For anyone wondering, we have quite a bit of cool content at youtube.com/3d . Showcased right now is some 3D footage from the 70s Viking landers!

Re:Youtube (1)

ksandom (718283) | about 3 years ago | (#36613928)

Nice. Thanks for posting :)

Nothing New (1)

rdnetto (955205) | about 3 years ago | (#36594142)

How is this news? Name one application for 3D other than gaming. And no, video doesn't count until there's a decent number of movies available for the platform (DRM optional).

I play a lot of video games. A LOT. (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 years ago | (#36594226)

I'm not interested in a 3D phone, for the same reasons i'm not interested in 3D TVs, 3D movies, or 3D games consoles; It's not 3D, it's stereoscopy. Yes, the effect is impressive for 3 or 4 minutes. The headache after 20 is less so.

Good for you if you don't get headaches from moving stereoscopic imaging, but saying that it's going to be powering 3D phone sales sounds like a bad business strategy.

Wait a sec... Who the hell else will buy a 3D phone?!

"Looks awesome" does not mean value (1)

ace123 (758107) | about 3 years ago | (#36594476)

Lame... I was hoping this article was about phones getting better EGL or WebGL support for Video Games.

I remember one time when I was testing a "3D" (stereoscopic) device, and it seemed like the coolest thing ever--I felt I really noticed the 3d effect, and it seemed "awesome".

Turns out, the left eye of the glasses wasn't working, and I guess the 3D effect was my own brain inferring the depth the whole time. I'd suggest trying this out if you're ever testing a "3D" technology: cover/close your left (or right) eye and see if it looks more "realiztic" or "cool" than with it open.

Also, as an analogy for audio, how many times have you played mono audio files and not noticed? (hint: anything recorded on a phone or microphone is not stereo) Video is hardly different.

Re:"Looks awesome" does not mean value (1)

ace123 (758107) | about 3 years ago | (#36594522)

My title was misleading, sorry. I don't mean to say there is no value in stereo video. Just as stereo and 5.1 audio improve the experience, stereo video has the ability to improve the experience. But I'm tired of the media treating this as though it's a whole new paradigm. (Ever been to an IMAX movie and watched the beginning where they show off the 10 speaker surround sound system? My reaction usually is "That's really cool. But start the movie already")

Personally, I'd rather they spent their efforts on adding more resolution and better touch accuracy to cell phone screens. Hardware space/development time is finite, and 3D screens are going to draw effort away from things that affect my everyday usage of these devices.

The one good thing about this technology catching on is that people may start to record more data in stereo video, which could lead to interesting use cases in things like photosynth and 3D model scanning (this time I mean real 3D as in three axes, not stereo).

Maybe it's not the price... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36605152)

Maybe it's not the price point or lack of killer app games that's keeping the sales down on the 3DS, perhaps is the insane TOS that was mentioned here on slashdot previously. That's the key reason I'll never buy one.

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