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Opera 11.50 Released

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the opera-50.11-to-be-released-next-week dept.

Opera 129

An anonymous reader writes "With a shiny new version of Presto that's apparently up to 20% faster, cool tweaks to Speed Dial, and a bunch of other features and bug fixes, the crazy Norwegians have just launched the latest version of desktop Opera."

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Gray (4, Funny)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602534)

20% faster, 20% cooler, and 30% more gray than before.

Re:Gray (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602906)

Sooner or later they'll find a way to eliminate the last bits of color as well.

Re:Gray (2)

djh2400 (1362925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603028)

I've wanted to use Opera for a while, but my main issue with it over the years has been how it blatantly ignores OS themes and comes charging in with its own crazy color schemes in stark contrast to everything else. I take it this hasn't been fixed, yet? It should have some sort of option to tick like Chrom[e|ium] to use the current desktop theme as best it can.

(The last time I posted something like this someone modded me a troll... Please don't mod me a troll; I'm just a guy who likes visual uniformity across all of my applications! Honest!)

Re:Gray (3, Informative)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603272)

Well, there is a "system color scheme" (or similar; in dropdown) in that Shift+F12 dialog, but how that'll work for I don't know. I certainly do not have so many gray color text in my theme, but it is present in Opera.

Re:Gray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603280)

You should mail them and ask them to implement a theming functionality...

Re:Gray (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603688)

Theming is no excuse for not following the OS visual style.

Re:Gray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603376)

As another poster mentioned, you can change it to use the system theme. There are also lots of skins [opera.com] you can download, some of them very nice. I like the glassy ones that utilize Aero like Z1 the most, but there are many other less "flashy" skins available too.

Re:Gray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603416)

Tools -> Appearance (Shift+F12), Select "Windows Native Skin" (might require a download first, I don't remember)

First thing I do when using Opera on Windows.

Re:Gray (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603460)

The native skin is what you are probably looking for. Every version of Opera that has had skins has had the option for a native skin. Right click a UI element, choose Customize, then Appearance, and click the Skins tab. In Windows at least it makes it look like a generic/standard Windows program.

Re:Gray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36605030)

try omelion skin its wicked

Re:Gray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603054)

20% cooler?
Who do they think they are?
Rainbow Dash?

No WebGL... (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602624)

I was hoping that this would bring WebGL to the mainline Opera. The shipping Safari should be WebGL enabled soon and Chrome and Firefox are already here.

Re:No WebGL... (2)

Asmor (775910) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602680)

And nothing of value was lost.

Re:No WebGL... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603840)

I'm still waiting for a real 3D screen.

(Think of the titties!)

Re:No WebGL... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604938)

Yep, it's missing. One thing less that I have to disable.

Mail clients still in the 90s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36602670)

Why do all mail clients still look like outlook from the 90s? Give me a desktop mail client that looks like gmail and you'll gain a new user.

Re:Mail clients still in the 90s? (3, Interesting)

bberens (965711) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604184)

IMHO this would be terrible. I like Gmail as much as the next guy.. it's my primary e-mail "client" but the most common feature I use in Outlook that is missing is sort by column. I use it constantly. The excellent search feature in gmail is a poor substitute. Also turning the "from" e-mail address on an e-mail you read into a meaningful contact is quite difficult in Gmail in comparison to outlook.

Opera knows how to celebrate (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602706)

International pizza delivery is fun http://www.reddit.com/r/Random_Acts_Of_Pizza/comments/ib61w/offer_hello_internet_we_launched_a_new_opera/ [reddit.com]

I downloaded it shortly after the download count exceeded the crew of the Death Star. As of right now, they're well past Rebecca Black dislikes

Most important part (1)

ryantmer (1748734) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602776)

Seems like the most important part was excluded - the download counter! http://www.opera.com/ [opera.com]

Currently, more people have downloaded Opera 11.50 than have disliked Rebecca Black!

Rushed Release (2)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602798)

Lots of bugs left in it. I'm still using it, because it is insanely fast, but I hope they release the next version in a week.

Re:Rushed Release (2)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604282)

I've played with most of the new browsers, especially all the Chrome and Firefox releases, and I've not noticed any speed increase whatsoever in any of them, from my humble laptop to my quad core 64 bit desktop. I'm not denying that they're faster, just that they were already fast enough for the stuff I do. A bit like when graphics card manufacturers were optimising 2d drivers to no end.

Still, a faster Opera - that's going to make one or two people happy.

Random Freezing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36602814)

Did they fix the random freezing? No matter what computer I installed Opera on it would always freeze at random times. The interface wouldn't accepted input, it would just still there and then suddenly come back to life a minute later.

Re:Random Freezing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603042)

Sorry, grammar correction. Sit there not still there.

Re:Random Freezing (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603082)

If it helps to know, I've used it for years on numerous machines and never seen this behavior.

I'm not saying this to you to deny that it's happening, but rather so you have an extra information point to investigate the problem. I had a problem once with a machine locking up from time to time with a particular bit of software I was using and it turned out to be a problem with the network I was on.

Opera performance worsening trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36602862)

I have been a Opera user for close a decade, but their recent updates has hurt its performance (with 60+ tabs and couple of windows open). It gotten so slow, that I had to change my habit and kept less number of tabs open, at which point alternative browsers (e.g. Chrome, Safari, FF) became more viable. I do my primary browsing with Chrome now, I hope that this update fixes the issues and Opera goes back to being as fast as it was under version 10.10.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602896)

This is sort of unrelated, but why do you have 60+ tabs open? I never have more than ten, and thats only when I'm wiki-crawling. I've always wondered why people have so many tabs open at the same time.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602960)

He likes to open each porn thumbnail in a new tab

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603462)

As I work on different projects, there are certain websites which have relevant information. I keep a window open for each project, and the tabs are the pages I need to reference again and again. Each project lasts for couple of months and in all likelihood I won't be needing those pages again after the project concludes.

I used to bookmark, but then management of those bookmarks would become a hassle. Tools like Google Notebook have too much maintenance overhead for my purposes as well.

I don't know how people work without ton-o-tabs open! Do they remember everything, write them down, copy-paste into huge static documents?

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603606)

They learned to work with bookmarks. And it's wonderful. There are also sessions if you really want it that way.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603602)

In this case I am surprised he bothered to mention that. It sounds like bragging. I think Opera's problems take a lot less than 60 tabs to become apparent. I am an Opera user for over a decade. Nowadays I tend to have 5 to 10 tabs open at the most. And, even then, I experience a lot of slow down and generally terrible performance in the Windows version (same problems on XP Pro 32 bit, XP Home 32 bit, and 7 pro 64bit). I started to notice the problems with version 11 and since 11.50b1 came out I have reverted my Windows machines back to 10.63 for performance sake.

The XP Pro 32 bit machine is dual boot Ubuntu 11.04. On Ubuntu there is no performance issue for me. It really seems to be the case that they borked their Windows version somehow.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603790)

I think it's really Flash's fault. I've put "disable plugins" right in my adress bar, and disable them most of the time. I usually have about 20 open tabs, on an E-350. No more slowdowns. They should do an "enable plugins for 5 mins" options, so I wouldn't have to go back and re-disable them, though.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604098)

I thought that too. But I found the browser would actually lock up more with the plugins disabled. I read on the Opera forums about someone getting a performance boost from enabling plugins. I did that and saw a big difference. With them disabled, any time a plugin was requested, the browser locked. On a particularly grueling test page I found it would take up to 25 seconds more to load the page from an empty cache with plugins disabled than with them enabled.

That's on my windows computers only though. The same page on Ubuntu with plugins disabled would take less than half the time and enabling plugins slowed down the page loading.

Also, I have found that disabling plugins doesn't actually disable plugins. There is javascript code that can still load Flash content onto the page even if you disable plugins in Opera.

I've watched the requests the browser makes and tried to make test pages with different elements to see if I could intentionally trigger problems, but so far I haven't found any rhyme or reason to the performance issues.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604026)

windows ain't ready until FF and Opera don't work well?

chrome gets a free pass because evil does not fight against evil :P

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603936)

This is sort of unrelated, but why do you have 60+ tabs open? I never have more than ten, and thats only when I'm wiki-crawling. I've always wondered why people have so many tabs open at the same time.

Laziness, convenience, and because it (somehow?) works fine in Opera. I often middle-click 10 links from a single page (e.g. search results on a shopping site), then 10 more (from the next page of search results), then go through the resulting 20 tabs.

I have just 15 open here (home), but at work there are probably about 35. My brother (on the rare occasion I see his computer) seems to have about 200 tabs open in Opera all the time, my mum about 100.

(Of my open tabs, four are the forgotten tabs of the search I did for a recipe earlier, three are the remaining interesting /. stories, five are documentation from a project I was working on months ago, ... you get the idea)

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

Ksevio (865461) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604366)

I've had similar problems with Opera ever since they introduced tab stacking. Before all the tabs would get so thin that I couldn't see the contents (I like the thumbnail sized tabs) so I'd eventually kill a few off to clear some space. Now that I can stack tabs, I just put stuff together (say all the relevant Java docs for a project) and compress it when I'm working on something else. Probably have around 50 open now, but only 12 tabs (including email) are visible.

Re:Opera performance worsening trend (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603854)

Me too ! It's funny, 'coz I'm bitching about Opera focusing too much on benchmarks, and not enough on features.

Especially they are in the best place to allow us to really synch browsers across OSes, formats... : open tabs ,cookies, position in page... Why on earth are they waiting for someone else to beat them to the punch ?

Atlantic Swim (1)

Metabolife (961249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602892)

Now that Tetzchner left, who is going to swim to Norway at for 1 millionth download?

Re:Atlantic Swim (1, Funny)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603234)

It always makes me flinch when purple I run into a random word thrown into the middle of a sentence.

I think I speak for the world at large here. (1)

deadhammer (576762) | more than 3 years ago | (#36602954)

Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. (5, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603388)

Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

It's a browser with the features FireFox will have in a year or so.

Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604404)

I guess you didn't get the memo, Firefox is copying a different browser now. Opera is a browser that survived despite being first payware then adware while IE and Mozilla was giving it away, it was that good. Sadly they went freeware too late and never caught the wave as Firefox broke the IE monopoly, otherwise they could have been where Chrome is today. The last releases haven't been all that, sure it's still a great browser but it doesn't really pack anything unique anymore. Between Microsoft, Mozilla, Google and Apple I don't think Opera will ever make any serious progress on the desktop. I stayed with it from version 5 to 10 but they lost me to Chrome and I think it's just a core of diehards that keep the marketshare they got.

Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604570)

The last releases haven't been all that, sure it's still a great browser but it doesn't really pack anything unique anymore.

Uh, yeah, I use both Opera and Chrome and .. no, that is not true. Chrome's UI has a lot of catching up to do.

Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36605430)

It's a beta testing platform for future Firefox and Chrome features coming in a year or so. Fixed that for .. never mind.

Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605762)

Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

It's a browser with the features FireFox will have in a year or so.

And the popularity Firefox had in 2004.

Re:with the features FF will have in a year or so (1)

kermidge (2221646) | more than 3 years ago | (#36606116)

....often done with more thought and better execution.

Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603046)

Why is this posted on Slashdot as news? Couldn't they just call all 7 people using Opera and let them know about the update?

Re:Really? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603142)

Why not, we still get Linux news here.

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603198)

Why not, we still get Linux news here.

At least we haven't seen OpenBSD news in a while...

Re:Really? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604102)

Well that is because the users couldn't figure out how to get X working. I don't think Slashdot will work well under lynx anymore.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36606650)

Slashdot doesn't work well in any browser anymore. ;_;

Re:Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603390)

7 people? So its usage share doubled since the last release?

Re:Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603468)

7 people? So its usage share doubled since the last release?

This number also includes the people who have downloaded it to "try" it and uninstalled since the last release as well as 1 person who was tricked into installing it.

I really want to like Opera but... (2)

rueger (210566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603276)

I don't know how many times I have installed and abandoned Opera. I really, really want to like it!

This time it downloaded and installed easily on my Ubuntu box, but when launched it declared that Flash was not installed on my system.

Of course, it is.

Still, clicked through the Adobe website, clicked the "Download" Flash link, and... well, nothing. It just sat there.

Yet again, Chrome wins.

(Tho' I do love Opera on my Android phone)

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (4, Informative)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603350)

Which pretty much means it does not know where exactly Flash is installed. There is an option in, duh, options to set that.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (1)

rueger (210566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604138)

Never had to set no option for Chrome. Or Firefox.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (2)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605570)

So you'll damn the browser because you're too lazy to do 3 minutes' worth of googling. Aren't most things a PITA on Linux? I'm surprised you even chose it as a desktop if you don't want to deal with minor annoyances like that.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36607346)

Aren't most things a PITA on Linux?

Chrome and firefox figure it out, I think its fair to take some marks off when such a huge bit of polish is missing.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36607176)

On your Ubuntu box? Didn't you have to enable non-free in a package manager somewhere not even in the browser before flash is even an option in Firefox?

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36607342)

Not that its the end of the world, but that seems like the kind of thing that falls under the category of "essential polish". Ubuntu isnt exactly some obscure form of linux, either.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603632)

Strange. I installed it on Ubuntu 11.04 and everything just worked. I guess mileage can always vary.

Re:I really want to like Opera but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604888)

You're using Ubuntu and not getting it via the repository? What the hell are you doing?

Highly recommended! (2)

dejanc (1528235) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603496)

I'm using Debian Squeeze which comes with Firefox 3.5 as default. I was happy with this browser, but I wanted latest and greatest so I upgraded first to 3.6 and then to 4. As much as I liked it, it was very slow - I'm not talking about academic javascript benchmark results, but stuff like opening heavy pages like GMail, or tab animations, various UI stuff, etc. None of it was deal breaking, but hey, after spending as much money on hardware as I have, I really expect things to fly. Instead, I had significant UI lags.

So, I tried Opera. It took some getting used to and it misses some options that I depended on on Iceweasel (namely, being able to not allow sites to define their own fonts), but I mostly found workarounds, and I must say I'm very happy with it.

Opera is much snappier than Firefox and Opera's QT integrates well into my XFCE environment with GTK+ gui style. I don't know what is the problem with firefox - bad 3d drivers (nvidia) or something else, but at this day and age, I really shouldn't have to suffer from slow UI.

I am still to try to replace Thunderbird with Opera's email, and I am looking forward to testing it.

Re:Highly recommended! (1)

Mystra_x64 (1108487) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603708)

namely, being able to not allow sites to define their own fonts

You probably want "Preferences / Advanced / Content / Style options... / Presentation modes / Author mode / My fonts and colors" option.

Re:Highly recommended! (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603964)

I run Opera in Fedora 15 and Mint(various versions) on netbooks and old PCs and it seems to usually have better flash performance than Firefox 3 or 4. For general browsing and news reading Opera is my favorite browser.

An irrilevant poll (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603504)

How about a /. poll about the reasons for why Opera keeps having a very low user percentage after 15 years or development? Firefox and Chrome came from nowhere and succeeded, Opera has a small loyal user base and doesn't get any more than that. What I can remember about all those years of using Opera as a browser for compatibility tests is a lot of little details done in very peculiar and non standard ways that made the browser a little annoying to use. I've got a feeling that most of those issues have been fixed but still... look at that red Menu (I've got a blue desktop theme) and that O in my status bar which no other browser dares to touch.

Ok, that's it. Don't bash me too much for these ramblings.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603652)

Firefox and Chrome came from nowhere and succeeded,

Firefox came from Mozilla which came from Netscape which came from "NOT MICROSOFT!". That created a lot of early support.

Chrome came from Google and seems to be one of those things that Google likes to sneak in during installs of something else that you really do want. You know, that small print with the pre-checked approval to "also install X?" during the installation process for something else.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

DrBoumBoum (926687) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603994)

Plus Chrome did some real hardcore advertising, like giant posters in Paris subway and probably lots of other things I'm not aware of. I don't think any other browser ever did anything similar, or even any other piece of software as far as I know. The Google guys definitely have some capacity at moving the lines.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605548)

Firefox came from Mozilla which came from Netscape which came from "NOT MICROSOFT!". That created a lot of early support.

That and Slashdot mentioning Firefox/Mozilla as often as it mentions Apple today.

Re:An irrilevant poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603706)

How about a /. poll about the reasons for why Opera keeps having a very low user percentage after 15 years or development?

Firefox succeeded because it came at a time when the alternative web browser (IE, basically) was so horrible, people were actively searching for something else. Pair that with a strong open-source backing and a great plug-in system, and your knowledgeable computing individual switched to it easily. It only followed from there that he/she recommended to friends, family, etc.

Chrome, on the other hand, came when browsers (as people understood it) were Pretty Good. They weren't great (compared to what we have now), but they were pretty good. However, Chrome was targeted to be fast, lightweight, secure, etc. And, it most definitely was. Pair that with a company with a heavy internet presence, who marketed Chrome very well, and Chrome jumped out ahead.

Opera is a decent browser (no, not perfect, but it is good). However, it doesn't have the marketing swing behind it that the other two browsers had. Despite what us geeks want to think, marketing does a lot in the way of introducing people to new products and alternatives. That, in my opinion, is where the difference lies.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603782)

It helps that Chrome has a lot of advertisements, and is featured on a site visited by a billion people a month. Firefox came out before Opera was free, so it was a much better choice at the time.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

DrBoumBoum (926687) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604228)

Also Opera did break a lot on a lot of sites and apps, so it was almost unusable for quite a while; to the very least it was out of the question to advise it to coworkers who were still using IE6, you had to push them to FF because with Opera they would come back to you after five minutes asking "why doesn't it work?" The Opera team used to hate to be reminded of that fact and they did vehemently defend their software, arguing that it was all the fault of developers testing against IE6 and FF and calling it a day, so FF had ind of a "free pass" regarding Javascript compatibility, and that they had done everything humanely possible to take care of this issue.

Then out of the blue came Chrome with a totally different JS engine but for whatever reason it "just worked" on 95% of all sites, even at the very beginning. After that, Opera's level of compatibility did quickly improve up to a point where with version 11 it seems now to be 98% compatible with the web (Google apps excepted but I've read it's by design from the G team, is that true?). So it seems they did find a way to improve things once it was obvious that others were doing better - competition does look quite beneficial to the industry, doesn't it?

Re:An irrilevant poll (4, Interesting)

gsnedders (928327) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604990)

To speak as an Opera employee (albeit only for the past couple of years â" two years tomorrow, actually) for once:

While certainly some people in the company vehemently defended it, as you put it, the number of people internally who'd say that it wasn't a problem for us to fix were in a minuscule minority. Certainly, from around a decade ago, we've ended up with more non-standard IE extensions implemented than FF have, which led some sites to work better in Opera than FF, though on others (to this day) sends us down the wrong code-path due to broken browser-sniffing.

I'm not really convinced it was the market that pushed site-compat to get to where it was today: it was more the gradual effort over a number of years towards it, and in general on the web you're either fairly badly broken (as Opera was) or stuff pretty much works (as all major browsers are like now).

To be fair, there have also been cultural changes within the company. For example, we have over three times the number of automated tests today than we had when I started, which has massively reduced the number of regressions, thus allowing developer time to be spent more on fixing bugs once.

Note that with 10.50 we introduced an entirely new JS engine, which worked with pretty much the same amount of the web as the one in 10.10. That's what I've spent the majority of my last couple of years working on, and the fact we shipped it working just as well as the previous engine, having developed it in less than half the time that it took V8 to reach beta, is a testament to our testing nowadays.

We don't have the thousands of users of every nightly FF and Chrome have â" we very much have to get it right first time, and that presents a far harder challenge, yet now, we are succeeding. Hurrah!

One final note on Google Apps: they don't officially support us, quite often doing stuff using non-standard stuff (often with one codepath for IE, using non-standard stuff; one codepath for FF, using different non-standard stuff; and yet another codepath for WebKit, using yet again different non-standard stuff), making it hard for us to know what to do. (Do we try and copy the non-standard FF/WebKit stuff? They're trying to get rid of a lot of their non-standard stuffâ¦) Hopefully, sometime soon, this will change, and we'll be officially supported.

Re:An irrilevant poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36606820)

FYI, I don't use Opera, but I would like to say congratulations on a) getting the release out and b) your anniversary with the company.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604220)

For the early part of Opera's life it was free if you wanted it to display adds, or you had to pay for it. They did finally make it free, but it was too little too late. Mozilla had already gotten the Not Microsoft market. Apple with the iPod halo released Safari based from WebKit which made WebKit possible allowing Google Chrome to come in. With Apple and Googles Advertising budget they got the WebKit browsers into place, and Firefox became popular because IE started to really stink as IE 6 was becoming more and more unusable over the ages.
When Opera became free as in beer without adds, there was some buzz but people already had their habits and never really advertised much about it.

Re:An irrilevant poll (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605598)

Firefox didn't come from nowhere. How many years have we had topics on /. about it passing IE in market share.

It is Chrome that came out of nowhere, but I'd bet that the adoption rate -- as compared to Opera -- has a lot to do with Google's reach into most parts of everyone's every day usage (gmail, calendars, etc, etc). Feature wise, it's probably on par with Opera, but I don't use Chrome to say anything insightful about a direct comparison.

Does it render linear gradients properly yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603572)

I reached my bandwidth limit for the month so I'm shaped and it's still downloading, can someone confirm if you see the text? [tinyurl.com]

Oh, Firefox... (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603582)

Look. See? This is how you do it.

Re:Oh, Firefox... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36605150)

The Apache foundation is too busy takin gon software projects to do actually manage the ones they have. They just took on Subversion: talk about a project whose time came and when the previous generation of CVS oldtimers discovered that storing passwords in clear text is really stupid, and went 20 minutes after git was published by Linus Torvalds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

I'm concened about Opera (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603690)

I like them a lot, and I've been using them for ages. but with that new numbering scheme, it looks like FFox should overtake them in no time, and then I'll just have to switch ?

Plus, Opera are clearly pussies: .39 upgrades ? really ?

Blurry mess (1)

xiox (66483) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603894)

Seems like Opera ignores the anti-aliasing settings. I've switched anti aliasing off in both environments, but opera blurs ahead anyway.

Re:Blurry mess (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604048)

I just installed 11.50 and also noticed this. The previous version did not seem to have this issue. I will continue to use it for general browsing / news reading, I tried a few different firefox speeddial addons and could not find one that I liked.

Re:Blurry mess (SOLVED) (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#36604076)

Turn off automatic zoom.

CSS3 Still Broken (1)

Spigot the Bear (2318678) | more than 3 years ago | (#36603932)

And yet, it still can't render CSS3 colors [globeprgroup.com] correctly. What's the problem here? Wasn't Opera at the forefront of web standards compliance at one point?

Re:CSS3 Still Broken (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#36606804)

So is that a test page using the actual CSS code? Or a static page just showing what it looks like in Opera? If it's the first option, then Chrome doesn't do it right either per that page (but I know Opera, Chrome, Safari, Firefox work on opacity with RGBA just fine on DIV's)

It's really nice (been running the betas here) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36603986)

Opera 11.50 "Swordfish" is FAST, & stable!

(Bigtime!)

Far more stable than Opera 11.11 was for me (Opera 11.1 was better) - In fact, I submitted so many bug/crash reports on Opera 11.11, in many of them I wrote that I was going to stop using Opera in lieu of Chromium...

* Guess what? The boys @ Opera stepped up to the plate & hit a home run on Opera "swordfish" 11.50 in my book...

(They have done a great job this round, no questions asked!)

APK

P.S.=> The F A S T E S T & most natively feature-laden browser, just got even BETTER, yet again - time for everyone else to play "catchup ball" & imitate them as-per-usual!

... apk

Yeah, but does it have cut and paste buttons yet? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604116)

I'm sorry, Opera, your UI sucks, and has driven me away.

If you want to enjoy the Opera browser.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604338)

If you people want to enjoy the Opera browser at its best, then you should customize it; by enabling and customize the mouse gestures, arrange for adding multiple lines of a combination of boomarks and folders on the "personal bar" for quick access to bookmarks, removing unnecessary buttons and adding ones you think you might need.

A preference editor is available by typing the following into the url field: "opera:config"

Improved bookmark handling with Opera seem imo to be something to be desired, at least with versions up to 11.11.

Re:If you want to enjoy the Opera browser.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604472)

If you people want to enjoy the Opera browser at its best, then you should use it to go to www.mozilla.com and download Firefox.

Then, using the proper uninstallation technique for your operating system, uninstall Opera.

Then proceed to install Firefox, and use it for browsing. Your experience will be much improved.

Re:If you want to enjoy the Opera browser.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36605308)

>removing unnecessary buttons and adding ones you think you might need.

Ha.
Ha.
Ha.

I've tried for years to add cut and paste buttons for Opera. Guess what? They've always though that their doubleclick method of text selection was best... and never allowed for such buttons to be customized in.
What's the result? I've stuck with firefox, and wrote them off.

Wake me up when they graduate to 20th century user interface design.

Why Opera? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36604450)

Because it can scroll through a whole page of slashdot comments smoothly. On any zoom setting. Under both linux and windows. But no worries, Firefox fans, you'll get equal performance by FF34872e12.

Re:Why Opera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36606222)

Because it can scroll through a whole page of slashdot comments smoothly. On any zoom setting. Under both linux and windows. But no worries, Firefox fans, you'll get equal performance by FF34872e12.

Agreed. And look at Chrome. It claims to be all this and that in the speed department - but when rendering big pages or zooming in and out of them, it is noticably slower than Opera, though better than Firefox.

Hardware acceleration (1)

lyinhart (1352173) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605100)

Too bad hardware acceleration didn't make the cut yet. It was available in a test build though. I'm looking forward to their implementation of hardware acceleration - it uses OpenGL instead of Direct2D on Windows. I've had all kind of problems with Direct2D (namely, it doesn't seem to accelerate much of anything - not even supposedly basic stuff like scrolling).

Re:Hardware acceleration (1)

Glonk (103787) | more than 3 years ago | (#36606338)

You're going to be in for a rude surprise.

OpenGL drivers on Windows are awful, DirectX is where all of the development effort goes on driver teams. At work we wrote our app using OpenGL for a 3D overlay because we ship on Windows, Mac, and Linux, but on Windows we took the time to write a DirectX backend instead of OpenGL and the stability and performance shot up noticably. OpenGL is a forgotten "checkbox feature" on Windows today, not much more.

Wake me up... (1)

toxygen01 (901511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605132)

... when they are open source.

Been using opera for good 5 years, but realized, even though it's tab & download management is much superior to other browsers, chrome (and/or firefox) are just easier to get on with, because they are essentially open. If competition can be open, why can't we?

Re:Wake me up... (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605592)

You're already posting at +2, why are you karma whoring now?

NoScript, AdBlock, and Scrapbook? (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605194)

Is the javascript whitelisting comparable to NoScript yet in terms of effectiveness and ease of use? Is there an equivalent to AdBlock Plus and Scrapbook? If a non-firefox browser would incorporate those features as standard and do it well, I would be happy to give them a try. Especially with Firefox's idiotic rapid release numbering scheme I am ready to try some alternatives.

Re:NoScript, AdBlock, and Scrapbook? (1)

massysett (910130) | more than 3 years ago | (#36605848)

Take a look at Privoxy [privoxy.org] for ad blocking. It is browser independent.

I bet the bug I reported still isn't fixed... (1)

toxickitty (1758282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36606400)

Set a wallpaper with Opera in Windows go to your pictures folder and observed unstandard bmp files that do not show up right with Windows Picture Viewier. Never fixed forever...

Hooked on Firefox (1)

Foxhoundz (2015516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36607206)

As of now, Firefox has become so bloated that the only way I can rationalize why I bother with it is because of the robust addon support. That's it. I can no long say it's fast nor easy to use. I've been using Opera on and off, but in the end, I realize I can't survive the internet without AdBlock, Tamper Data, and Firebug, forcing me to come crawling back to the Fox.
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