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Cisco's Tablet Act Like a Desktop

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the as-long-as-you-have-a-desktop-already dept.

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holy_calamity writes "Cisco's Cius tablet, due next month, is bulkier than the iPad 2 and has a smaller screen but it also brings tricks other tablets don't have. It can be connected to a keyboard, monitor and mouse to act like a desktop. Using an app to connect to a virtual desktop replicates a full PC experience, Cisco claims. The Cius also encrypts all data and is easily controlled by IT managers, who can control access to apps and other features."

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the iPad can do that (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625600)

The iPad will happily use a bluetooth or usb keyboard and can mirror its display via VGA or HDMI, and in a few months, it can mirror its display wirelessly via an appleTV.

Re:the iPad can do that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625900)

Curious: how well does the iPad handle a mouse?

I know a few years back on the N800 we had to do a fair amount of work to get reasonable mouse behavior in a touch-centric GUI, it's one of those things that's trivial to design in, but hard to bolt on later

Re:the iPad can do that (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628128)

How about a tablet that one make make phone calls with?

Re:the iPad can do that (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628520)

My Asus Eee Pad Transformer (Android tablet) seamlessly switches between tablet, trackpad and mouse modes. Using the HDMI port to display the big screen is simple too.

Re:the iPon can do that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36626472)

Except that with the USB anything, VGA anything, and HDMI anything, you have to pay a price premium of at least $30 just for the adapter cable. For the wireless mirroring, that's another $100 price premium. LOL

Re:the iPad can do that (2)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626760)

The iPad will happily use a bluetooth or usb keyboard [...]

($29 adapter required)

[...] and can mirror its display via VGA or HDMI [...]

($39 adapter required)

Sorry. Just adding those pesky "truth in advertising" asterisks...

Re:the iPad can do that (3, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627082)

Yeah about that [cisco.com] : "Optional HD media station with USB peripherals, 10/100/1000 wired connectivity, and a handset option"

And from TFA: "A WiFi only version of the tablet will be available worldwide from July 31 at an estimated price of $750." I can't see anything on storage capacity.
Wifi-only iPad2 starts at $499 (16Gb) to a max of $699 (64Gb)

Re:the iPad can do that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627750)

No my bluetooth does not require any adapter. Just pair it.

Re:the iPad can do that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627252)

Keyboard and mouse are just part of the claim, the article mentions an app to connect to a virtual desktop. Does iPad have this, if so what is the name of the app, and how much is it? I really want my iPad and MacBook Pro to be somehow gracefully merged ...
 

Re:the iPad can do that (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627448)

Keyboard and mouse are just part of the claim, the article mentions an app to connect to a virtual desktop. Does iPad have this, if so what is the name of the app, and how much is it? I really want my iPad and MacBook Pro to be somehow gracefully merged ...

iTeleport [iteleportmobile.com] , VNC Viewer [realvnc.com] ,LogMeIn, Screens [edovia.com] , Mocha [mochasoft.dk] and probably some others. Take your pick. I'm partial to iTeleport myself.

Re:the iPad can do that (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627502)

Oh come on... you listed software to connect to a remote desktop in defending iPad against a Cisco tablet... and forgot the free Citrix Receiver app?

Re:the iPad can do that (1)

swb (14022) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627256)

It works great with a bluetooth keyboard, but I *do* wish Apple would support the bluetooth mouse profile. Touch doesn't translate well to Windows via RDP and reaching to touch the screen is a nuisance with an external keyboard running, although you can get a lot done with a Bluetooth keyboard.

Only with keyboard support? (2)

Keruo (771880) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625606)

My $99 dealextreme android tablet was happy to respond when I connected usb keyboard and mouse to it.
It also has vnc and remote desktop apps to connect to othe devices.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625870)

My Dauphin DTR 1 back in the early 90's had a PS2 keyboard and mouse port. Windows 3.1 for pens did most of what everyones so impressed with on these new tablets. But back then it was geeky, now its hip.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626176)

windows 3.1 had better desk control, longer shelf-life and better copy-paste between apps and less overhead by the os. oh what the world has become..

Re:Only with keyboard support? (0)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626546)

better than what? your statement is missing something... something kinda critical for it to have meaning

Re:Only with keyboard support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36626834)

Disclaimer: I make no claim as to the validity of GP's statement.

Apparently, you seem to be missing something, something kinda critical to have a meaningful discussion. It's called reading comprehension. And I quoth:

Windows 3.1 for pens did most of what everyones so impressed with on these new tablets. ...

windows 3.1 had better desk control ...

better than what?

Better than what we we're talking about: the new tablets.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626870)

better than what? your statement is missing something... something kinda critical for it to have meaning

"these new tablets". GP had the context you were looking for.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627130)

Take off your rose colored nostalgia glasses and try to install Windows 3.1 with trumpet windsock connected to the internet in a VM. Then try to use it a week for anything remotely useful. Have the suicide hotline number nearby when attempting this.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627862)

Given the fact that all the problems you mention are 16 bit memory limitations I would say that's a misrepresentation.

As someone who *HAS* tried doing that, I can tell you that Windows 3.1 with a TCP/IP stack and Internet Explorer (3?) works perfectly well for getting internet access... SO LONG AS THE WEBPAGES ARE 1998 ERA. Honestly I tried it before slashdot upgraded to all this fancy dan new javascript interactivity crap and while it wouldn't handle the page (it crashed due to memory limitations), it was perfectly capable of connecting to non-dynamic webpages of reasonable size.

A strict reimplementation of Win 3.1 into 32 bit code could be made that WOULD still have much lower rsource usage than any modern OS, but honestly nobody would be willing to give up the features to make it so, and no developer would want to waste time making something that the majority of consumers would accept given how much more powerful hardware is today.

Re:Only with keyboard support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36626226)

I'm shopping for a inexpensive Android tablet. Which do you have, and are you reasonably happy with it?

Re:Only with keyboard support? (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626592)

Your $99 special is way ahead of the $750 Cisco offering; Cisco's offering can only connect to a keyboard and mouse indirectly (when docked to Cisco's new deskphone).

Controlled by IT managers (3, Insightful)

plover (150551) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625612)

If IT locks out the app store, it won't be successful.

Like the iPad, it's too big to carry thoughtlessly like a phone. You have to have a reason to carry it. If Sally in accounting can't put Angry Birds on it, or the Kindle app, she won't want to carry it around. Those are the real reasons she carries her iPad everywhere, despite her claims of using it for calendar or email.

Good luck Cisco, but making it IT friendly is the opposite of making it user friendly.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (4, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625708)

I don't think you quite understand the market Cisco is playing to with this. They aren't trying to compete with the ipad in the consumer space, they are presenting an option for business customers ( where angry birds would not be installed ). As much as i hate cisco, this device interests me. A highly controlled device would make me feel better about pushing out HIPAA and PCI applications, for example.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625898)

They aren't trying to compete with the ipad in the consumer space, they are presenting an option for business customers ( where angry birds would not be installed ).

And what exactly is the use of a tablet to business customers? The answer is there isn't one. Tablets are consumer devices - nobody in their right mind would use a tablet to get any real work done. So I think what the GP wants to say is that if your "business customers" can't use their tablets as consumer devices they would not want one in the first place.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (2)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626042)

Think of situations where you actually walk around using it. E.g. doctors doing a round of patients. I think the biggest problem is that this is exactly the original set of tablet use cases that failed with Microsoft and company.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (0)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626206)

Doctors don't need these fancy devices when doing rounds. They carry them just for showing off. The real data is stored on the interns/residents.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626770)

Doctors don't need these fancy devices when doing rounds. They carry them just for showing off. The real data is stored on paper charts by the interns/residents.

FTFY.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627774)

Er no, you're expected to have memorized all that data before rounds... the charts are only to find out which resident is slacking.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

DavoMan (759653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628878)

my friend uses an ipad for her job and its critical. she is an insurance assessor. goes all over the city and uses the tablet to record things. in this situation:
phone size = too small
laptop = too clumsy.
thats just one example of a tablet computer in its element. another is for students. i'd much rather have a device that doesnt take up screw all room in my back pack than a netbook. you need something with an ARM cpu that can suspend/resume instantly, weighs next to nothing, and is wide enough to be like a sheet of paper. hell, if used with a stylus it would be perfect.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626096)

I beg to differ. The tablet is the key to the paperless office that people have been talking about for years now. While it makes little sense for a stationary position where you're in the same cubicle for the majority of the day it is a convenient reference source that for technicians, great for presentations, and great for throwing into a briefcase for use with a remote desktop application instead of traveling with a laptop.

Tablets are not new but they are finding real places in business. Their niche is much harder to see than in the consumer market that is all.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626106)

Uh... have you been in business? There are countless uses for tablets in business. Document access on the go, custom apps for whatever your business does. Not every document fits neatly on a phone (and not every business will let you have a smart phone that does what you want). Tablets don't solve every problem, but they let you have better access to documents than phones, and if you can plug it into a docking station and type stuff you can, when moving around have your office computer with you.

Whether or not this will work out depends on how well they could pull it off. But I can tell you right now I have lots of (former) business clients who'd love to be able to use iPads for things, but they are limited by iPads all having cameras, and relatively poor keyboard functionality, oh, and they're macs. So they're looking for alternatives, this stuff from cisco is one option.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627310)

Uh... have you been in business?

Of course he has! But for him, the "computer" was situated next to the napkin, straw and salt dispensers - right opposite the fryer.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626704)

I think the crux of your problem is that for you business=office productivity only. While you really can't match all of the feature of MS Office, some businesses have needs beyond Office. Some high end restaurants use it to catalogue and display their wine lists. Printed lists are okay but they do not do well if they need to be updated all the time for content or inventory amounts. Another example is a hair salon. Customers can interact with the iPad to show the stylist visually what they would like to do even looking up celebrities. Customers can pay and make their next appointments without having to go up to the receptionist. You could do all that with a laptop but it would be more cumbersome.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626180)

Yes because everyone knows that Cisco stands for security.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626650)

Yes, but they're competing against the iPad. The iPad already has options for VPN, VNC, Citrix, encryption, external monitor displays, bluetooth keyboards, Exchange support, remote wipe, restricted settings, etc... Except for the fact that this article is obvious astroturf I'd wonder why the author thinks these things make Cisco's offerings so special.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627266)

> Yes, but they're competing against the iPad.

No, not really. Apple gives minor lip service to business users but isn't really committed to them. Anyone that's not a total fanboy realizes that.

Think of all of those times where some fanboy responded to some complaint about how "this product isn't made for you". Shoes on the other foot now.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627706)

Well the 1500 fields sales staff where I work who have them (iPads that is) and who visit customers would IMHO I beg to differ.
They love them. Their job is a whole lot easier. Selling our products is also a whole lot easier.

We have tried to develop Android versions of the sales apps but not getting even close to what is already available on the iPad.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36628042)

Apple is smarter about the business market than the business players are. Owning the consumer market is a sure-fire way of making sure the CEO wants to be able to use that cool new iphone thing he's been reading about. It also means users will bring it in and start using it for work, much to the dismay of IT departments everywhere who prefer platforms designed for them (IT, not users). In this way we see Apple devices showing up on corporate networks all over the damn place and blackberry devices disappearing. And no, I don't own a single Apple product.

Sandbox it (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627244)

they are presenting an option for business customers ( where angry birds would not be installed )

If they were clever they'd build in a 'personal sandbox' where the user could swap between corporate and personal personalities on the device. The corporate VPN would be safe from Angry Birds, and the users would clamor to get them.

Use the @gmail account for the personal side, the @corp.com account on the business side. Really, IT doesn't hate users, they just have a mandate to protect the business, and the technology is usually lacking to allow both camps to be happy.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625838)

making it IT friendly is the opposite of making it user friendly.

Making ANYTHING IT friendly is the opposite of making it user friendly, but that's the whole idea when you want to sell to Fortune 5000 companies.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626200)

If Sally in accounting can't put Angry Birds on it, or the Kindle app, she won't want to carry it around. Those are the real reasons she carries her iPad everywhere, despite her claims of using it for calendar or email.

Thanks for the shameless iPad bash. Really. It's not like Stereotyping detracts from your argument or anything.

IT Doesn't Like Sally (2)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626202)

If IT locks out the app store, it won't be successful.

Define "success"? Users won't like it or companies won't buy it? There's a difference, and the latter wins. It's the same reason companies don't buy office workers Alienware PCs.

If IT blocks internal programs, VPN and corporate websites from Sally's iPad, how's she going to have a choice. In the corporate environment, everyone takes the company phone. Most company phones suck, but the minutes and data are paid for. So, which tablet device are you going to use for streaming? The new one that nobody offers unlimited plans for, or the company one that pays for whatever you use?

Like every other device that companies provide, you'll still take it because the company, not you, buys it. And companies buy Cisco. Companies trust Cisco. Cisco is not seen as a toy gadget company. And most IT will never condone devices without control. They may put up with it, but given the choice, they'll get something they can control.

IT frankly doesn't care what Sally likes better for Angry Birds, or Sally at all for that matter. She's the same idiot downloading WeatherBug on every PC she touches. And if IT says encrypted devices only, they/we will by Cthulu will have it! Until the fired boss from Sony or Groupon or the Social Security Administration replaces our boss, and tells us to unencrypt everything, because nobody would ever, EVER, leave an iPad or iPhone just laying in a bar. [gizmodo.com]

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626336)

IT frankly doesn't care what Sally likes better for Angry Birds, or Sally at all for that matter.

Unless she's the CFO.

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

jumpingfred (244629) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626652)

The CEO and probably the CTO want to play angry birds on their iPad.

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627346)

Well it's not like they've anything better to do.

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627286)

>> IT frankly doesn't care what Sally likes better for Angry Birds, or Sally at all for that matter.
>
> Unless she's the CFO.

Anyone else will get FIRED.

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627496)

Yeah, like IT has that power.

"What's that? those nerds it IT won't let sally get what she needs? The sally I see every day? don't worry I'll take care of it."

Re:IT Doesn't Like Sally (1)

the clean (671672) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626584)

From what I understand there will be different options from wide open at the app store to a Cisco sanitized app HQ and home development, to a completely locked down only IT can push apps to it. Maybe birds will fly with broken and bandaged wings

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

Gerzel (240421) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626374)

Actually being able to lock out app stores would be a big selling point.

Cisco generally goes for the corporate sector not the home user. Thus being able to strictly control what applications are on the devices isn't just a selling point, it is a requirement for many of their customers.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36626438)

You have to have a reason to carry it.

"It's our standard working tool, you get paid to carry it" isn't good enough?!

Good luck Cisco, but making it IT friendly is the opposite of making it user friendly.

Cisco isn't the next apple-clone. They are not targeting "users", hell, it's allmost impossible for a user to even get their stuff (shady ebay sellers aside). They are targeting Corporations who buy 10'000 of 'em and put one on every desk.

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

yellowalienbaby (897469) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627036)

Wierd. I have an inside jacket pocket my iPad slides into. Makes it easy to carry it everywherre without a thought...

Re:Controlled by IT managers (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627570)

Note everyone is so large that have a 190 mm by 243mm pocket in their jacket.

So... a lot like you can do with an iPad, then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625614)

Yes.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625648)

Nothing to see here. Move along..

Takes over as a work desktop.. (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625676)

It says it hooks into the Cisco deskphones and can lets you get work calls everywhere. Oh, and your IT department controls it.
I certainly look forward to running Eclipse on a tablet and taking work calls at all hours on a machine I can't administer. Thanks Cisco!

Re:Takes over as a work desktop.. (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625822)

who says youre th one making the decision?

Re:Takes over as a work desktop.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625918)

Whoosh.

His entire post is about the fact that he's not making the decisions.

Your reading skills suck.

Re:Takes over as a work desktop.. (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626198)

Well yes, of course! I'd love to hear more about your theories on quantum physics!

Re:Takes over as a work desktop.. (1)

Jahf (21968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626940)

You wouldn't run Eclipse on this. You'd run your phone, internal IM, email, calendar, etc on this.

Your Eclipse/emacs/vim/whatever box would still sit under your desk.

You'd be able to pick your "phone" tablet/etc up and carry it around with you so that you can keep in touch when not at your desk.

Cisco (disclaimer: I work for Cisco but not with the group making the tablet) doesn't want this to become your development machine. They want to merge your current messaging platform with a tablet to add other benefits.

While you may do both dev and messaging on the same machine, MOST places I've seen going back to the late 90s had their developers using multiple boxes. This at some level consolidates 2 to 3 of those boxes (conferencing phone, cell phone, messaging computer). For some of us that would be a huge boon.

Re:Takes over as a work desktop.. (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627016)

If my company doesn't find out about it I'm not. I work for a place that is as cheap as hell though. I wouldn't necessarily want to be on multiple boxes though. It's convenient to just have one good one.

Read the full article (1)

PreparationH67 (1971850) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625678)

The post doesn't really describe the features properly, read the full article. Other than that it actually seems like a really good idea and definitely has the enterprise environment in mind. Its not really useful to the average person and it seems like some of the features would still work fine, and solve some IT headaches when it comes to tablets even if the place doesn't have all the cisco equipment to take advantage of all the features. And somehow it doesn't have the normal cisco price tag.

Re:Read the full article (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625994)

And somehow it doesn't have the normal cisco price tag.

Care to bet on that? According to TFA:

"Cisco will sell it along with related services and infrastructure"

Who wants to bet that the management tools will cost more?

other tablets don't have hdmi out and usb devices? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625682)

other tablets don't have hdmi out and usb devices? yea right. what does it do when it's NOT connected to monitor, keyboard and a mouse?

Re:other tablets don't have hdmi out and usb devic (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625796)

it's actually a 1.6ghz atom netbook without a kb running custom android(the site was loading slow).

Grrr! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625694)

Grug act like caveman when Grug talk!

Other tablets have had them for a while now (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625716)

I won't say for iPad because I've never tried such a thing with it, but with any Honeycomb tablet, you can connect mouse & keyboard (via Bluetooth for all of them, and via USB for those which have the ports, like Asus Transformer). Connecting an external monitor is, obviously, not new at all. And then there are plenty apps available for VNC and RDP for "full desktop experience".

Re:Other tablets have had them for a while now (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625782)

Enterprise IT Administration!!!

Re:Other tablets have had them for a while now (2)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626308)

Anyone with half a brain who's into tablets knows this. Surprise! You've been subjected to a Slashvertisement for some new product which.. tada, brings nothing new to the playing field.
I mean the asus transformer makes the tablet into an expensive netbook with a keyboard and touchpad. Bluetooth keyboards and mice have been around forever. How many tablets do not have a mini-hdmi? All the big ones do.

Asus EEE Transformer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625736)

And this is better or different than the Asus EEE transformer?

heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (4, Funny)

vijayiyer (728590) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625738)

So it's a lot like an iPad, but heavier, bulkier, and with a smaller screen, for more money. And your IT manager can stop you from putting apps on it. Sounds like a winner!

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (3, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625776)

Inferior specs and capabilities never stopped any Apple product from being a runaway success, so I'd say it has a chance.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626056)

Except it isn't an Apple product Fail.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

Ex Machina (10710) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626926)

Inferior specs and capabilities never stopped any Apple product from being a runaway success, so I'd say it has a chance.

Uh Apple desktops in the 90s

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627270)

But Apple products look nice and have rather good build quality. Have you taken a look at this thing ? It's built as a slot-in accessory to a desk phone and it shows.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

222 (551054) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628250)

Inferior is hardly an appropriate phrase. The device is Android powered, has solid central management (You're on drugs if you think I'm going to activate and deploy iPads via iTunes.) and most importantly, integrates well with Cisco's voice and video servers. I have a single device that provides a) thin client functionality b) a softphone for use with CUCM / CallManager and c) acts as a video conferencing endpoint for telepresence. As someone who works in corporate IT with a lot of Cisco gear, this device is godsend. That being said, in our organization we don't blacklist apps for phones or anything like that unless it interferes with productivity. I'm pretty excited for this.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625982)

it's x86. dunno why roll with just android on that thing. except the thin client angle. it's a great work computer for anyone who doesn't do any computer work.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626144)

Yep, because it's *not* going to have all that time wasting crap on it your boss hates you using. That may come at a premium, but it's cheaper than lost productivity because you handed someone an iPad and they now spend all day playing games and watching movies rather than you know, doing what they're paid for.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

Changa_MC (827317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626634)

Ah yes, because it's impossible to lock down an iphone/ipad via exchange policy + webfiltering.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627738)

That's great, except it's trivial to get around by going tom a coffee shop.

the iPAD is horrible for IT management.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627666)

And your IT manager can stop you from putting apps on it. Sounds like a winner!

Indeed, that is a winner for your IT manager, who gets to decide which devices to buy for your company and which devices are allowed to access the company intranet.

Re:heavy + bulky + expensive == better! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627726)

A lot like an iPad, but with complete enterprise integration.

Yes, have IT be able to implement controls on a device that's using your network IS a winner.

Cisco should focus (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625754)

on routers and switches, the things it knows about, and stop wasting money on useless projects. No wonder the stock halved in a year...

Re:Cisco should focus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627126)

Nobody needs new Cisco routers and switches.

Silly Cisco (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36625780)

I've done more deployments than I care to count using XenDesktop and View to give iPad and Android based devices this functionality for months. Cisco, why would you say something to silly?

Just like the iPad (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625824)

The iPad also has a keyboard, encryption and remote IT/enterprise access controls and most Android tablets do as well. The thing is I don't want a tablet to be a computer - a tablet is simply not powerful enough since it is (or should be) optimized for battery operation. I don't want a computer acting as a tablet either since it's not optimized for battery operation or touchscreen controls.

There's being a n00b and there's being plain dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627234)

The thing is I don't want a tablet to be a computer - a tablet is simply not powerful enough since it is (or should be) optimized for battery operation.

It has vastly more processing power than a typical desktop from about ten years back.

Does your knowledge of computers stretch back almost a whole year?

Transformer (2)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 3 years ago | (#36625876)

My Asus Transformer (Android) does basically the same thing. It has a keyboard/trackpad attachment, and I use the wireless network to connect to my Windows PC. I can do pretty much anything except gaming. (Video is a bit slow on framerate, too.) And of course, all the normal Android stuff is available, too.

Re:Transformer (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626784)

Notably, this thing runs Android. Its another Android tablet, but by someone who cares about solid communications and security infrastructure.

I'm sure it will be a solid contender.

Re:Transformer (1)

gweilo8888 (921799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628896)

Exactly, the Asus already does all this, and likely just as well as the Cisco tablet will but at half the cost. Nothing to see here folks, just your daily dose of Slashvertising.

Cisco's Tablet Act Like a Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36626272)

It do, do it? Me not knows that.

Actually, sounds like a good idea (3, Interesting)

ltwally (313043) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626382)

Actually, this sounds like a good move on Cisco's part. Why?

1. Apple makes devices for the consumer market. They have never had good support for the enterprise, where an IT department needs to have the ability to lock down any and all devices on their network.

2. Cisco, however, has very strong ties to the enterprise market. This will give them a definite advantage in both marketing and knowing what features potential (corporate IT) clients will require.

3. Apple has proven that there is a (consumer) market sector for these types of devices. There is a chance that market will fall over to the corporate sector.

The fact is that some of the very features which would make this unattractive to the consumer market are requirements for the corporate/enterprise sector. Such as the ability to lock down the app-store, and place other restrictions and controls on the device's usage. The corporate sector is long accustomed to paying more for less, so the price isn't as big an issue as many here are making it.

At this point, I guess we will just have to see if a tablet is of any real use in the enterprise.
My suspicion is that, right now, that answer is mostly "no". Time will tell.

Re:Actually, sounds like a good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36628596)

Partly right. I've been playing with our new UCS server system from Cisco, and it totally rocks. They have done things no one else has done in this space before, owing largely to their networking expertise. Cisco is tech heavyweight, and their server offerings are really amazing.

You say Cisco has strong ties to the enterprise market. That is correct. However, those ties are largely predicated on their networking business. Their sales guys don't really understand the new markets they are getting into. That's where they are weak, and that is what worries me. They have excellent vision, and great technical chops. But right now, the equipment is selling itself - not the sales team.

Executive toy #666 (2)

UttBuggly (871776) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626384)

Got to see of these very recently. The execs at my company are always wanting the latest and greatest and we are a Cisco shop with a slew of 79XX IP phones.

We finally went with the Cisco/Tandberg TelePresence EX desktop units. 24 inch monitor that replaces the desktop monitor, integrated video conferencing, and a cool little "mini-me" control pad/handset peripheral.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/ps7060/ps11303/ps11308/ps11327/images/data_sheet_c78-627494-1.jpg [cisco.com]

Hardly portable, and no computing power, but every one of the big office folks has an iPad2 with WebEx, Facetime, etc. on it, so they're happy.

We got Citrix to work very well for application needs that don't run native on iOS, have centralized management of the iDevices in house, so the Cisco tablet made no sense whatsoever.

Still, I imagine some shops will slurp some Cisco Kool-Aid and snap these puppies up. RTFA, Cisco IS hedging their bets with iOS and Android apps for collaboration.

So it's an EeePad Transformer, but with more fail (1)

mandark1967 (630856) | more than 3 years ago | (#36626956)

Like others have mentioned, the Eee Pad Transformer does the same stuff, but will cost less, is not as bulky, is faster, and has better video and connectivity.

Not sure why anyone would use the Cisco when tablets like the Transformer are flooding the Market and Windows 8 will be able to leverage them to provide the same functionality at a fraction of the cost. (and I frakking HATE Microsoft...so for me to say that...well I feel a bit dirty)

I currently use mine to do damn near everything a my work PC can do. (They also make a transformer with a phone in it for normal calls or video calling)

It already works with files from MS Word, MS Excel, and MS Power Point, I can access my email with OWA, I can VPN into the network from home, I use a mouse (although I already have the Dock that has a nice touch pad included)

I RD to my desktops to do a myriad of different tasks. I use it in our conference room to run Webinars and slide presentations. Hell it even controls my home TV and streams video to/from my home network.

To me, (just MHO) the new crop of tablets are the one item that's made the biggest impact since the Cell Phone.

Like a Desktop? (1)

Zanix (684798) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627490)

Forgive me if I missed something, after all I don't own a tablet, but did tablets surpass laptops in speed and capability? I mean these magic devices called laptops have been doing exactly this for years and they have never matched a desktop in raw power. Suddenly tablets, which are smaller than most laptops, are so much further ahead than laptops that this article chooses to compare them with desktops instead of laptops? I find it hard to believe to be sure.

enterprisey (1)

pieterbos (2218218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627568)

ah, they have made the tablet fit for the enterprise and followed a simple recipe:

- make it great for the system administrator
- put outdated heavily modified software on it that likely will not be updated with a newer version
- put in the option to limit it severely, which the administrator likes, but the end user will hate
- make it extra bulky with a small screen
- make it more expensive
- add a particularly ugly docking station

So, make something less convenient to use for more money, and it'll sell very well in the enterprise world.

Re:enterprisey (1)

acoustix (123925) | more than 3 years ago | (#36627948)

ah, they have made the tablet fit for the enterprise and followed a simple recipe:

- make it great for the system administrator
- put outdated heavily modified software on it that likely will not be updated with a newer version
- put in the option to limit it severely, which the administrator likes, but the end user will hate
- make it extra bulky with a small screen
- make it more expensive
- add a particularly ugly docking station

So, make something less convenient to use for more money, and it'll sell very well in the enterprise world.

So you're advocating that devices used in the enterprise should not have any user restrictions whatsoever? Users should be able to install any apps and expect it to work with the existing hardware software. Is that right?

yes but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36627636)

can it handle in-band wireless Cisco NAC? (which means you either have to have a cisco NAC agent loaded, or a browser that supports the web login process.)

The ipad cannot. Did cisco learn from this?

Did anybody notice the headline? (1)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 3 years ago | (#36628658)

Cisco's Tablet Act Like a Desktop

It do?

Who writes the headlines and can we send him back to kindergarten?
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