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Microsoft Partners With Baidu, China's Top Search Engine

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the enemy-of-my-enemy dept.

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countertrolling writes with news that Microsoft has struck an agreement with Baidu.com, the most popular search engine in mainland China, to provide results for English-language queries. From the NY Times: "Baidu, which dominates Chinese-language search services here with about 83 percent of the market, has been trying for years to improve its English-language search services because English searches on its site are as many as 10 million a day, the company said. Now it has a powerful partner. 'More and more people here are searching for English terms,' Kaiser Kuo, the company’s spokesman, said Monday. 'But Baidu hasn’t done a good job. So here’s a way for us to do it.' Baidu and Microsoft did not disclose terms of the agreement. But the new English-language search results will undoubtedly be censored, since Beijing maintains strict controls over Internet companies and requires those operating on the mainland to censor results the government deems dangerous or troublesome, including references to human rights issues and dissidents."

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Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish dissent. (3, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658032)

Compliance isn't an excuse for assisting China. But what's a few dead, organ-harvested people under the bridge who voiced their opposition to the company town?

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (3, Insightful)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658090)

But what's a few dead, organ-harvested people under the bridge who voiced their opposition to the company town?

A business expense.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

c (8461) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659026)

> > But what's a few dead, organ-harvested people under the bridge
> > who voiced their opposition to the company town?
>
> A business expense.

That depends upon how much you get for the organs, doesn't it?

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659264)

This sort of thing is the reason I was in favour of lawsuits against companies in the 80's and 90's who'd profited from slave labour back in WWII.

If US companies now sense that dealing with nasty totalitarian states can result in an expensive lawsuit in the future it might make them a bit more wary of doing it.

As for Microsoft I'm the odd situation of disliking them intensely now on slashdot long after it was fashionable to do so. Back in the days when most people here hated them I actually didn't really object to them so much.

Now it's like everything they announce is an attempt to troll me.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659646)

As for Microsoft I'm the odd situation of disliking them intensely now on slashdot long after it was fashionable to do so.

On the bright side it means you may soon be able to get Google search results in China through Bing's innovative technology. ie copy paste.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (2)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660174)

"This sort of thing is the reason I was in favour of lawsuits against companies in the 80's and 90's who'd profited from slave labour back in WWII." Why stop at WW2? Why not go back to the south in the 1800's or back even further to the Roman Empire that was built by slave labor? How far into the past do we have to go to punish people today for something none of them had anything to do with?

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (4, Insightful)

cgeys (2240696) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658140)

So, what exactly have you done to not support Chinese? Do you buy products that have been only made and manufactured in the US, even if its higher price? Do you own iPhone or any other known mobile phone? Does any of your product read Made in China? Instead of blaming Microsoft for doing business with Chinese, what about you taking the first step?

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (3, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658234)

what about you taking the first step?

A good first step might for you to go to China and look for yourself.

It's not the hellhole some people try to portray it as being, and neither are all of it's factories sweatshops.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658364)

China is like a facade, like in the wild-west movies. What they show you is beautiful. They won't show you the ugly parts. But today, most governments are becoming more and more like dictators, nobody listens anymore to their own people. In the Netherlands for example, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you still get the same idiots, doing there own things, without listening to the people.

It's like with businesses, they would love to be able to survive without any customers, because customers mostly only complain.

I do not own a iPhone or a smart phone. But today it is mostly impossible to buy anything of technology not made in China. Even if you buy it from a European company, it is bound to have at least a few parts "Made in China". Even if you buy a more expensive computer, most parts are from China, and the quality sucks too. An other problem is, that it is difficult to see if it is from mainland China, or from Taiwan. And a lot of Chinese firms don't put the tag "Made in China" on it, just to sell there products more.

The governments aren't doing anything about it, they are much too eager to bed with it, than putting an halt to it. When the EU or US don't put a stop to importing stuff from China, it will become very difficult to do something about it.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (0)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660338)

It's not the hellhole some people try to portray it as being, and neither are all of it's factories sweatshops.

No kidding. What are foxconn workers earning now? An opulent $0.35 an hour? And they only have to work 14 hours days, six days a week. And they get a sponge bath once a week. Not to mention the luxurious 14" board they get to sleep on.

And to think, a lot of them consider suicide a better option. Buncha cry-babies.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (3, Interesting)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658442)

So, what exactly have you done to not support Chinese? Do you buy products that have been only made and manufactured in the US, even if its higher price? Do you own iPhone or any other known mobile phone? Does any of your product read Made in China? Instead of blaming Microsoft for doing business with Chinese, what about you taking the first step?

Yes, it is good to recognize that oneself plays a part as a cog in the machinery. As a wise man once said:

"Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Aaow!
(Yeah-Make That Change)
Gonna Make That Change . . .
Come On!
(Man In The Mirror)
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know It!
You Know . . .
(Change . . .)
Make That Change. "

But, it is also unfortunately the case that us little consumers don't really run the world. You and I, individually, might be on top of things, at least a bit, using our purchasing power for good, but on the whole, the notion that consumers rule is false. Even if they technically might, we actually don't, because we buy what they tell us to buy (not you and me individually, but all of us in aggregate).

The consumerist, vote-with-your-wallet-perspective is often useful, but one should not neglect to also look at it from the perspective that maybe the rich and powerful actually are running the show. (Besides, they have very large wallets and some of them have very many guns, even).

It is convenient for the superpowers and mega-corps if we think consumers have the power. And we do. That's the ingenious bit. It's just that the rich and powerful pervert our potentially rational choices with marketing and through better access to mass communication than the little gal has.

In addition to voting with the wallet, people should, in my opinion, feel free to keep bitching on /. about the bad things the powerful countries and corporations do. Even if they can't be bothered to wean themselves completely from the convenience of the big cheap teat that is made in china, backed by tyranny and systematized greed.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659216)

The consumerist, vote-with-your-wallet-perspective is often useful, but one should not neglect to also look at it from the perspective that maybe the rich and powerful actually are running the show. (Besides, they have very large wallets and some of them have very many guns, even).

Tell that to the people at Syria. There the large wallets actually have guns. And tanks. And planes. But people fight back. Because there's are hundred people for every gun, and they cannot kill you all. And the big wallets know it. And they also know that a gun doesn't care who's the target. But enough of that.

The rich do try to run the show . That's not bad in itself, unless the show is run for their own benefit. And they can only do that if you stop caring or they can hide what they do.

It is convenient for the superpowers and mega-corps if we think consumers have the power. And we do. That's the ingenious bit. It's just that the rich and powerful pervert our potentially rational choices with marketing and through better access to mass communication than the little gal has.

OK, so the rich are at the wheel. It doesn't matter unless you also allow them to decide where to go. Don't do that, decide by yourself.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659748)

But, it is also unfortunately the case that us little consumers don't really run the world. You and I, individually, might be on top of things, at least a bit, using our purchasing power for good, but on the whole, the notion that consumers rule is false. Even if they technically might, we actually don't, because we buy what they tell us to buy (not you and me individually, but all of us in aggregate).

The consumerist, vote-with-your-wallet-perspective is often useful, but one should not neglect to also look at it from the perspective that maybe the rich and powerful actually are running the show.

No, nobody is running the show. This is what happens when a movie has no director. It could be worse; we could have a director with an absolute crap vision.

We CAN vote with our wallets, we CAN make a difference. Start with yourself. Then go convince two other people to do the same. Spend some actual time at it. If you succeed then you will have achieved more than you did when you changed your own habits.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658782)

The problem isn't China, it's the government. Refusing to buy Chinese products wouldn't help with their censorship, it would only leave their population poorer. But Microsoft is helping the censorship by complying with it, making it easier to enforce.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659200)

So, what exactly have you done to not support Chinese? Do you buy products that have been only made and manufactured in the US, even if its higher price? Do you own iPhone or any other known mobile phone?

It wasn't any part of my decision to buy the phone, but HTC makes stuff in Taiwan (they are a Taiwanese company).

Morons will be morons ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36660126)

Let's just say that this are mostly the same people who believe Al Gore is against CO2 emissions. You could do an animal welfare fundraiser where you have to shoot puppies and these people would simply believe your good intentions. You can have a "feminist convention" where a muslim comes talk about how liberating it is to get stoned ...

Morons will be morons. Whatever is the path of least resistance, that is the universal unassailable moral path for these idiots. The science is settled, as they say.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660420)

Supporting China isn't necessarily a problem. I've done work for a Chinese manufacturer and I have no moral qualms about it. The difference is that they were an honest business. I wouldn't work for a Chinese company that actively engages in the censorship of the internet. That's a dishonest business.

This isn't a China = Bad issue. It's a censorship = Bad issue. Google had no problem doing business in China. They had a problem with censoring their search results.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 3 years ago | (#36662006)

I'd love to buy North American goods but there are hardly any out there compared to "Made in China" goods. Finding stuff that is not made in China is actually pretty hard.
Someone should make a UPC scanner app that offers you "Made in XX" products as alternatives.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658218)

Yeah, let's go 5th-grade-lunch-room on a country with a few billion people, that's a good idea. CHINA YOU'RE A MEANIE SO YOU CAN'T SIT AT OUR TABLE

It's people like you that start wars. Idiot.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659588)

America starts plenty of wars. What you're really worried about is starting a war that you not only can't win (you've got plenty of experience with that) but starting one where you get smashed back into the stone age. The worst kind of bully is one who never picks on anyone who can fight back.

Re:Embrace China, Extend cash and Extinguish disse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659616)

Talk about going 5th grade, read your idiotic comment.

Uh-huh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659128)

Yeah.. and lets do this whining using stuff made in china.

I'm confused (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659134)

But what's a few dead, organ-harvested people under the bridge who voiced their opposition to the company town?

Do you mean Beijing or Redmond?

Quick! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658036)

Let's complain about things that don't affect us!

Re:Quick! (2)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658050)

If one is to believe that our world is interconnected, then it only provides a model where liberty is granted only to the few who have the cash to purchase it - instead of providing it to all who seek it.

China is a case of why you don't simply just go for business friendliness, but freedom for all citizens without regard to involvement in commerce.

Re:Quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658206)

s/China/USA/

and it's equally true.

...that you're apologizing for China. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658568)

N/T

Re:Quick! (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659198)

If one is to believe that our world is interconnected, then it only provides a model where liberty is granted only to the few who have the cash to purchase it - instead of providing it to all who seek it.

China is a case of why you don't simply just go for business friendliness, but freedom for all citizens without regard to involvement in commerce.

You must have missed the memo. Fascism is back in a big way - it's just that the government and industry traded places.

Re:Quick! (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658270)

We need to keep tabs on it in order to assess their qualification as an Emergency Fallback option when our native countries become too oppressive.

Just 10 million english searches (0)

alantus (882150) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658040)

With 83% market share in China I would have expected way more than 10 million english searches a day.
I guess Internet is not so widespread in China as in other Asian countries likes Japan or South Korea.

Re:Just 10 million english searches (3, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658158)

That, or people in China speak Chinese.

Re:Just 10 million english searches (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660594)

That, or people in China speak Chinese.

How about Mandarin or Cantonese?

Sorry, had to be pedantic.

Re:Just 10 million english searches (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658262)

1) Majority of the searches done in China will be in say.... Chinese....
2) The population of English speakers in China is about 10 million (based on wikipedia). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

Re:Just 10 million english searches (1)

grainofsand (548591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658266)

No one outside of the Baidu management team actually believes that Baidu has anything like an 83% of the search market in China.

Re:Just 10 million english searches (4, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658444)

How many Chinese-language searches do you think you have in the US each day? Would be interesting, too, to see the number of English-language searches in Japan, say, or in Germany.

Most people, the world over, only ever see the part of the net that's in their own language. The idea of the net as a world-wide melting pot is pretty overstated. It's like a large cocktail party where everyone is in the same room, but clustered into separate groups that talk only to each other, mostly ignoring everyone else.

Re:Just 10 million english searches (3, Interesting)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658644)

While you are probably mostly correct about people only ever seeing the part of the net that is in their own language, I find a disproportionate number of the sites that I visit to be in English, German, and Japanese. The English part is easily explained (I'm an English speaker in an English speaking nation, who uses English services), but the German and Japanese part isn't so easy to explain. This leads me to believe that there are dominant languages on the net, English is one of the and that probably explains why Baidu wants to improve their English language results.

(To go to that cocktail party analogy, people mostly cluster according to their language but they use a dominant language when they want to talk to other clusters.)

Re:Just 10 million english searches (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659664)

Well, do you understand German or Japanese? Do you have a special interest (manga or anime for instance) that makes you seek out these foreign-language sites? In either case it makes you rather unusual.

Few people ever feel the need to talk to those other clusters. Few people have the ability, even if they wanted to. Most people do not speak any of the world languages as a second language after all. The few that can and want to connect with other webs - and they really are quite few - tend to act as bridges, filtering through the information that most people in their home cluster could find useful. When a weird video clip from Japan spreads through the US intartubes it arrives through a small number of people that do keep up with the Japanese web.

This lack of curiosity is natural. Much of the web really is local. It's about information that's really only useful for people from a specific region, country or even city. Even generic information has a surprising amount of locally specific components.

Japanese sites, Swedish sites and US sites about scuba diving, for instance, has a lot of information in common (I've been looking them up lately). But then, two talk in metric, the other in imperial units; recommended equipment may not have the same name or even be available in the other areas; local certification rules and regulations may differ; equipment for one area may be completely unsuitable for another; and any talk about specific diving schools, diving spots or interesting wildlife is of course completely local. As a result, I tend to mostly read Japanese sites as here's where I'll do most of my diving, even though I'm really more comfortable with both Swedish and English than with Japanese.

Can we call it (5, Funny)

agendi (684385) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658042)

"Baidu Bing"... get it?

Yes, just that its ring is more sinister in China. (0)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658058)

Bing is the sound of the bullet striking metal after passing through the skull of someone who didn't have enough favor or cash to buy their freedom.

Re:Yes, just that its ring is more sinister in Chi (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658166)

A story about China? Somebody alert the jingoism brigade!

Re:Yes, just that its ring is more sinister in Chi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658186)

And US citizens, paying for the greatest part of the bullets, might as well be holding the gun.

Re:Yes, just that its ring is more sinister in Chi (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659670)

Through currency manipulation and buying our debt, the Chinese government is actually subsidizing the US; they are helping us buy their bullets at their own expense.

Re:Can we call it (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658448)

"Baidung"

Re:Can we call it (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658544)

The new internet version of Ba-dum-tish?

Re:Can we call it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36661620)

*groan*

In Other News... (1, Insightful)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658044)

... Microsoft uses it's massive operating system/business software profits to buy it's way into yet another market.

Re:In Other News... (5, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658148)

Come on, who else is gonna do it? Yahoo? Altavista? Google won't because they aren't exactly on good terms with China what with the censorship and the hacking. This isn't a case of MS getting into a market by leveraging its monopoly powers -- it's a case of MS getting into a market by lacking the morals found in other companies. If you're gonna bash them, at least do it for the right reason.

Re:In Other News... (2, Interesting)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658184)

Hahaha... Google and Yahoo are your shining examples? They were the first to bow down to China. (well, you sort of have a point about Altavista. I don't suppose Obsorne Computer doesn't do much business with China either)

Google might be on the outs with China lately, but that bad blood took some while to accrue.

Re:In Other News... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658492)

Google doesn't care about censorship in China. Morality can't even begin to be ascribed to it. Google might care that being China's bitch threatens its perceived integrity in other parts of the world. What idiot would register for Google+ if Google had a reputation as bad as Facebook's? What idiot would store all their data with Google when Google allows China full data center access? Microsoft... has no attributed integrity left to lose, not with the media and not with the people. ("Integrity" for both companies are in effect the same, i.e. none, but that doesn't stop us from trying to humanize corporations.)

Re:In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658478)

Ironically, the profit Microsoft gets from China is negligible compared to how many people there use its software.

They (3, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658052)

When you deal with the Chinese, sooner or later they will backstab you.
And when you deal with Microsoft, sooner or later they will backstab you.

Who's going to reach for the knife first?

Dealing with China == Today's Faustian deal (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658064)

China will just reach for the gun and not bother with the knife. Then it'll harvest Microsoft for its IP and dispose of the rest.

Re:Dealing with China == Today's Faustian deal (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658198)

And then Uncle Sam will ride in on a majestic bald eagle and spread jingoism across the land. Well, Uncle Sam was busy today with the fireworks and what not, but never fear, he sent his trusty sidekick sethstorm!

Re:Dealing with China == Today's Faustian deal (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658734)

Still fighting the Vietnam war, are ye?

Re:Dealing with China == Today's Faustian deal (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658760)

Not sure what that's even supposed to mean. I'm just calling sethstorm out on his jingoism.

Re:Dealing with China == Today's Faustian deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659382)

Nobody here is quite sure what you are trying to say.

You keep saying "jingoism" over and over like its some new word you learned.

STFU

Re:They (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658066)

Wtf, my post's title got cut. It was supposed to read "They're a perfect couple".

Re:They (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658314)

Cue Odd Couple music - duh duh duh duh duh...

Re:They (2)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658102)

Who's going to reach for the knife first?

Probably more of a Crocodile Dundee moment. "You call that a knife? This is a knife."

Re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658482)

Hopefully, at the same time :D

Re:They (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659116)

When you deal with the Chinese, sooner or later they will backstab you. And when you deal with Microsoft, sooner or later they will backstab you.

Who's going to reach for the knife first?

Knights of the Storm(front?)watch make it right!

Re:They (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660350)

I just hope they wait for long enough to me to reach some popcorn.

Now, in a serious note, MS has no power against China. Not even them are that evil.

APK!!! APK!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658078)

countertrolling got a submission published! Oh my god... wheeere are you APK?

-The Jerk

Bing. (2)

BenJCarter (902199) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658136)

Microsoft search engine's name begins to make business sense...

microsoft = commie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658174)

yup its official now

I wonder who... ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658192)

Good, it's one of those case where I cannot but wonder who is going to screw the other around.

Let's sit and watch.

remember, kids (4, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658244)

Two evils only make a good when you multiply, not add.

This will kill open source in China (2)

tvlinux (867035) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658246)

If they are going to censor, they might as well censor open source products and tools. After working in China, I find Baidu does a very bad job of supporting Chinese language documentation for open source. Many programmers in China are very badly trained because they have only used Windoz. They know how push buttons and drag and drop to make software. Some have no idea how to really write code.

Re:This will kill open source in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658274)

Some have no idea how to really write code.

This is not limited to China thank you very much.

Re:This will kill open source in China (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658302)

If they are going to censor, they might as well censor open source products and tools. After working in China, I find Baidu does a very bad job of supporting Chinese language documentation for open source. Many programmers in China are very badly trained because they have only used Windoz. They know how push buttons and drag and drop to make software. Some have no idea how to really write code.

LabView in red and gold?

Be careful what you ask for.

Re:This will kill open source in China (3, Interesting)

RobertinXinyang (1001181) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658618)

Opensorce is pretty much a dead concept in China already. They understand copying; but, why should they give credit to another person.

Further, sharing is not a Chinese value. Why should they make it easier for another person to compete with them?

Really, I work at a university in China. they are aware of the Western Linux and Opensource thing. They just have no interest in it. They do not understand the point of it; to them, it is simply based on an alien value system.

Re:This will kill open source in China (1, Troll)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660372)

"they are aware of the Western Linux and Opensource thing. They just have no interest in it. They do not understand the point of it; to them, it is simply based on an alien value system."

In that they are no different from nearly everybody at the west.

Re:This will kill open source in China (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36662388)

Not interested? In fact one university made a copy version of FreeBSD and claimed their own, while obtaining millons of dollars from the government.It's named QiLin, and is for defence research.They actualy baned Sourceforge for sometime with nation wide firewall just to fool the public. A company is also copying Android as we speak, it' named Ophone. Opensource was dead long ago in China, but for a different reason.

Re:This will kill open source in China (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658640)

Many programmers in China are very badly trained because they have only used Windoz. They know how push buttons and drag and drop to make software. Some have no idea how to really write code.

I think the problem is really that China is pushing far too many people into the fields of engineering and computer science. They don't have the educational infrastructure in place (thanks in large part to the Cultural Revolution) to support educating the amount of engineers and programmers they are producing. As such, quality suffers. They are trying to solve the problem by sending massive numbers of students abroad (and then bringing them back once they graduate), but if they're not careful the problem could become perpetual (bad programmers teaching students to program), resulting in poor quality for generations to come.

oh slashdot, (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658292)

This is mostly directed toward the op that decided to write the stories summary...but here goes

I love how your phone is chinese, your clothes are chinese, your kitchen appliances are chinese and your furniture is chinese,
yet you still think after complacently bankrolling what american politicians still insist is a 'communist' state, that you're entitled to
any semblance of a dissenting opinion.

either take a real stand against the arguably communist empire you so openly support, or shut the hell up and buy another TV.
peppering your articles with sensationalist sentament about human rights in china makes no sense otherwise,
and its even more nonsensical when people realize you're american and living under the patriot act.

Re:oh slashdot, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658358)

I think anyone who thinks the USA is bankrolling China has things a tad backwards.
America only looks rich because of all the borrowed money it spends.

Re:oh slashdot, (3, Insightful)

Rennt (582550) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658462)

You seem to know an awful lot about the OP's lifestyle, spending habits and motivations. Projecting much?

There isn't anything nonsensical about an American being concerned with human rights. It's even less nonsensical if you believe Americans share some of the responsibility.

I suppose weakly rationalizing your own complacency isn't nonsensical either - it's just appalling.

Re:oh slashdot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658540)

I love how you think hypocrisy is a logical fallacy.

It may be bad taste, it may be double-standards, but hypocrisy does not affect the validity or truth-value of an argument.

Thinking otherwise is lumping yourself into rhetoric, the dark side of the force that lots of politicians subscribe to in order to whip up emotions in their constituency and make them vote yay for crappy legislation.

Re:oh slashdot, (3, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658810)

So because we don't agree with China's government, we should starve their people by refusing to provide them with work? Nice logic.

Re:oh slashdot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658982)

My smart phone is made in Korea :-P

Re:oh slashdot, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659218)

Did you read the summary? He mentions he is in china because baidu is the biggest "here"

How do you propose he stops buying from the Chinese when he is in the country?

Re:oh slashdot, (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#36660112)

I love how your phone is chinese, your clothes are chinese, your kitchen appliances are chinese and your furniture is chinese,

My phone is Korean, my appliances are Mexican, American, and Canadian, my furniture is Canadian and Danish, and the clothes I'm wearing are Honduran and Mexican.

Kaiser's working for Baidu now? (2)

Shag (3737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658346)

Interesting... though not as cool as what he did before [amazon.com] . :)

Re:Kaiser's working for Baidu now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659980)

I loved his original band, T'ang Dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Dynasty_(band)), which, I believe, was the first Chinese heavy metal band. Kaiser was one of its founding members. They used to get decent airplay in the early days of Asian MTV. Now I'm not Chinese, but metal is metal, even if it was in a language I didn't understand :).

For a second i though about wasting my mod points (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658446)

but Microsoft and China in one discussion triggers all reflexes to recklessly troll around....

incoming (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658466)

Cue a slew of comments about life in China from people who've never been there

Re:incoming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36660698)

I've never been to the surface of the moon but I can tell you a lot about its composition. Simply not having been to a place doesn't invalidate a well researched point. Admittedly a lot of people have knee jerk reactions, but you can't tell one of those from a valid point just by how well travelled the commenter is.

Full circle: Googles "do no evil" was aimed at m$ (1, Interesting)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658472)

Google pull out of China because censorship is evil, so in steps m$, the outfit Google coined their motto from originally. But wait ... m$ don't have a search engine of their own, so can the Google servers take the load from them merely throwing up a wrapper round theirs? [blogspot.com]

As they say... (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#36658918)

Baidu Bing, Baidu boom!

mod dowN (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36658926)

Of Chaalenges that

English Search Results (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659320)

So, Google's now going to be providing English search results for China?

Microsoft's ethical vacuity in this area (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36659396)

"Microsoft's ethical vacuity in this area is no surprise. A year and a half ago, in "Microsoft's Ballmer to China: Forget Google -- If You Want Censorship, Come to Bing!" link [listbox.com]

"The U.S. is the most extreme when it comes to free speech .. If the Chinese government gives us proper legal notice, we’ll take that piece of information out of the Bing search engine" link [forbes.com]

Baidu Is Not Google (1)

billrp (1530055) | more than 3 years ago | (#36659628)

bing

I know why (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36660286)

Baidu Bing search: "Operating system"

1 result found.

Re:I know why (1)

tenshihan (571181) | more than 3 years ago | (#36661996)

linux: no result? prolly not

Torrents anyone (1)

motang (1266566) | more than 3 years ago | (#36661450)

English is probably used to search for torrents

Censorship Example (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36662062)

For fun, go to Baidu.com [baidu.com] and search for "Falun Gong [baidu.com] ". The site will become unresponsive and will be down for you for a few minutes and I think doing it a few more times will cause it do go down for 24 hours. I've heard that doing this while in China will not only prevent baidu [baidu.com] .com from working, but your entire Internet connection becomes inoperable.

Re:Censorship Example (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#36662842)

Yikes... that's pretty scary. On the other hand, at least they don't try to hide their censorship... they smack you in the face with it and if you don't like it, too damn bad.
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