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This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672672)

This was from some B movie? any have a name?

I think it was on the scifi channel I don't think the airplane part was in it but the surgically implanted bombs was.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

GuJiaXian (455569) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672710)

The Dark Knight.

The DKR already did it! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672862)

Harvey Dent :

he said "Twice as big as you can imagne"

Tell me that 9/11 isn't just a cheap ripoff of a comic book from 1986.

Why does the Joker hate our freedumbs?!!!

Re:The DKR already did it! (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673100)

Why does the Joker hate our freedumbs?!!!

Because, the Joker is/was an anarchist and a terrorist. His goal is/was to break down some of the things that keep society working, and generally mess up things that would cause as much discomfort to as many people as possible.

In a lot of ways, maybe some overlap in goals ... though, with more randomness and chaos thrown in for good measure. Less intent to "create" anything or to bring about a specific goal, much more intent to disrupt as broadly as possible and generally make life miserable and scary.

It's a schemer who put you where you are. You were a schemer. You had plans. Look where it got you. I just did what I do best-I took your plan and turned it on itself. Look what I have done to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple bullets. Nobody panics when the expected people got killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plans are horrifying. If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die, everyone loses their minds!! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I AM AN AGENT OF CHAOS. And you know the thing about chaos, Harvey. It's fair

Nihilism and chaos with a malicious streak and some cheap gags thrown in.

Oh, was that a rhetorical question?

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672714)

This was from some B movie? any have a name?

I think it was on the scifi channel I don't think the airplane part was in it but the surgically implanted bombs was.

The Dark Knight had a surgically implanted bomb, didn't it?

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672782)

So what should the TSA do here? Have a TSA surgical team prepped to slice people open and check things out, give them the grope from the inside?

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (2)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672808)

Shhhhh Don't give them ideas!!!

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672846)

No - wait... the TSA should actively WORK in every OR in the country to make sure no doctors are implanting bombs in someone who may then fly at some later time, which the doctor knows, and for which he could then set the timing apparatus...

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672820)

No, they should be disbanded and we should go back to the old security methods. They are clearly just security theater.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672966)

Increasingly intrusive and stupid security theater, but then what do you expect when the average employee makes less than $20/hr.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672852)

Impostor, from 2001 had robots with bombs in them: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160399/

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (2)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672874)

MI5/Spooks had an episode where the woman had a bomb implanted in her, and she was supposed to blow up a bunch of dignitaries.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672928)

Didn't "Hurt Locker" have it (the kid the hero is soft on)?

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672960)

I think they put the bomb in the kid posthumously in an attempt to bomb the people who would be recovering the body.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672938)

What was that Schneier was saying about "movie plot threats" again?

We've had security theater since 2002, now it seems like they're trying to base their approach to security on his "Shit you never, ever do" list.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (1)

cfeedback (467360) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672946)

This was from some B movie? any have a name?

There was a surgically implanted bomb in The Hurt Locker which was hardly a B movie.

This comment does not imply support of the TSA in the slightest.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (3, Interesting)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673066)

The outer limits had an episode where aliens abducted a human couple (wife and husband) while they were camping, made them into complete replicants with the same memories and all, except when they got near a trigger person (the president or whomever) their hearts would turn into a nuke and blow up. The antagonist was a security officer who's solution was to capture these replicants before they detonated and extract their beating hearts. He even mentions in the episode something to the fact that the last five humans (who were afterwards found out to be non replicants) died for a just cause.

Fast forward to the end, the husband escapes to the park they were camping in to find the alien ship to prove his innocence. They suspect his wife is the replicant and shoot her before she can explode. They find the original body of her in the alien ship, and then in a twist they also find the dude's body. When learning that he is a replicant he self destructs and explodes killing the security office.

I can't wait until we get heart extractors in airports.... you know, to find the terrorists.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673150)

Fortress. Second best Kurtwood Smith blowing people up role evar.

Re:This was from some B movie? any have a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673194)

Imposter is one such movie.

It's based in the future, a guy turns out to be an alien replicant that has a bomb inside of him. His trigger is like the president or something, when he gets near it he'll go boom. I just watched it a few days ago, and it looks like the TSA did too.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Impostor/60001613

No shit. (2)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672680)

The next logical measure is to conceal contraband internally, be it through surgery, or more probable, up the butt. I can't wait for someone to be detained with explosives in their bum so we can get our mandatory anal probes.

Re:Sniffer Dogs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672778)

My brother's dog is already a crotch rocket, so it's just an extension of their natural behavior to go for the groin.

Re:No shit. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672802)

Bruce Schneier had an article on his blog about someone trying to blow up a Saudi prince using the old "bomb up the butt" technique recently.

Security checkpoints (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672696)

Well the security goons already have the gloves - Just give 'em a box of scalpels and a bottle of iodine and let 'em do their inspections! Make sure you allow a few extra hours in your travel plans and don't eat or drink anything for at least twelve hours before arriving at the airport.

=Smidge=

Re:Security checkpoints (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672988)

Don't forget to make the claim that it's not actual surgery, so no MD license is required. Nor really any training.

Re:Security checkpoints (1)

dwillden (521345) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673144)

And if you call ahead they can perform any needed exploratory surgery while processing you for security. Verify if that lump is cancerous, explosive or benign.

This was the logical end (5, Insightful)

tmosley (996283) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672704)

This was the logical end of this stupidity. Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

Re:This was the logical end (2)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672788)

Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

Mod parent up.

Of all the days to be without mod points.

Re:This was the logical end (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673032)

Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

Mod parent up.

Of all the days to be without mod points.

Yes, because we all need to spend our mod points on parrots who just tow the party line and don't add anything to the discussion.

That's why Slashdot and "new media" news sites are so awesome: They're like Fox News, but everyone agrees with you, which makes them better!

Re:This was the logical end (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672800)

No, the logical end is to give everyone who flies a sedative.

Re:This was the logical end (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672882)

remote detonation/timer

Re:This was the logical end (1)

pesho (843750) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672998)

Not if you sedate the passengers for about a month and transport them at a random time point while they are sedated.

Re:This was the logical end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673104)

Once you have a timed bomb implanted, they'd be doing you a favor giving you a sedative and it wouldn't change anything about the detonation.

Re:This was the logical end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673172)

No, the logical end is to give everyone who flies a sedative.

Unrelated, but your comment reminds me of The Jaunt [wikipedia.org] .

A bomb with a timer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673216)

Of course, the surgically implanted bomb could have a timer that would go off even if the terrorist is sedated. IT WON'T WORK!

Re:This was the logical end (3, Insightful)

sstamps (39313) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672804)

It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place.. to make us so fearful that we started to treat people even worse, on average, than most third-world dictatorial/theocratic regimes do. They hated us for our way of life (rightly or wrongly.. doesn't matter at this point), and they succeeded in making it worse by proving that our high-and-mighty principles of liberty and privacy weren't as high-and-mighty as we kept saying they were to the rest of the world.

The only thing the TSA (and our government as a whole in the same vein) has done is to encourage the terrorists even more.

I'm with the OP, though. I'll take a bus, train, ship, or drive myself before I will subject myself to their degrading and humiliating treatment.

Re:This was the logical end (1)

base3 (539820) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672906)

The only thing the TSA (and our government as a whole in the same vein) has done is to encourage the terrorists even more.

While you can. The TSA has already set up shop at train and bus stations to test the waters. Driving is safe from groping and the nude-o-scope. For now.

Re:This was the logical end (5, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673094)

It was precisely what the terrorists wanted in the first place..

Stop with the script reading, please... With its credibility in the shitter, it's what the government wanted in the first place. They had to use the terrorism angle to get us wimps to go long without questioning anything and distract attention away form its other abuses. Anybody who disagreed was immediately tagged.. Worked like a charm.. Exploitation of natural instincts always does

Re:This was the logical end (3, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673112)

They hated us for our way of life

They did not hate us how we live our lives. They hated us because we told them how to lead THEIR lives.

That does not mean they are not happy if all others do stoopid stuff. Makes them feel important, like feeding a troll.

Re:This was the logical end (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673204)

That they 'hated us for our way of life' is a myth spread on Fakenews and other main stream media outlets. "The terrorists" clearly stated, and keep doing so that they want us to stop our support for Saudi Arabia's royal family and Israel and it's anti-human terrorizing of the Palestinian people.

Re:This was the logical end (2)

rlwhite (219604) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672806)

The end? Nah, next is bombs triggered by brainwaves. Let us control your mind, or don't fly! If you're not guilty, why should you mind?

Re:This was the logical end (0, Redundant)

mroracle (117624) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672810)

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin

Re:This was the logical end (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672918)

You think this is the end? This will keep going because people will keep flying and travelling. In all of this time, I don't think there has been a serious decrease in air travel... at least not one easily attributable to the security measures anyway. It won't end until something bad happens to legislators personally to make them reconsider what has been going on. And this is rather like the healthcare system problems -- they never feel the effects of the healthcare system so they simply have no interest in actually making it better.

Re:This was the logical end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673142)

Mod parent up. There's just nothing else to say about this. Life is a risk, nothing is guaranteed.

Re:This was the logical end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673176)

> You can't give up enough liberties, no matter how unsafe you are.

There you go, fixed that for ya.

Re:This was the logical end (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673178)

This was the logical end of this stupidity. Face it folks, you can't be 100% safe, no matter how many liberties you give up.

I disagree. Just think of the potential advances. A full body CT scan and a colonoscopy for each passenger/patient. The potential for improving colon cancer detection alone is just mind boggling.

Really guys, this could go a long way to dealing with the problems of cancer screening. Add a mammogram, a Chest CT (for lung cancer), a bit better backscatter machine that can find melanomas, a prostate exam and you're golden. I guess the pap smear could be an issue (TSA would have to be able to differentiate between men and women) but that's a small price to pay for the country's health.

Stop being so negative!

Wasn't there... (1)

rekoil (168689) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672712)

...a bomb in the 80s that was left aboard by a woman who snuck it on...um..."internally"?

Re:Wasn't there... (5, Funny)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672758)

I remember in the 80s, Sonny Bono himself managed to get a bomb onto a SPACE SHUTTLE without really needing to hide it anywhere! In fact, he bought it in the airport gift shop!

Re:Wasn't there... (1)

WeatherGod (1726770) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673034)

Wow! A senator (or was he congressman?) managed to get a bomb onto the space shuttle? Who can you trust these days?

Thanks for the Airplane 2 reference.

Re:Wasn't there... (1)

dwillden (521345) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673090)

Don't know about that, but last year there was an assassination attempt on a Saudi Prince that used an internally carried bomb. It obviously killed the bomber, and made quite the mess, but the Prince was not harmed. So this has been tried at least once unsuccessfully. Not on an airplane, where the over-pressurization is an issue, but it has been done and recently.

I just wonder why the genius's at the TSA has taken more than a year to consider this a "Threat".

Should thank the TSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672724)

We should thank the TSA for spot checking the Dr.'s did not leave anything behind during the surgery.

Security theater... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672754)

All you tough and manly Americans with your guns and SUVs just shiver and quake at the slightest hint of a ghost. Boo! Bunch of pussies.

is driving more dangerous? (3, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672784)

I mean, your chance of death from crash is lower sure, but thats a pretty narrow definition of "danger".

What about the "Danger" of being detained and missing your flight? The "Danger" of irradiation from newfangled machines that the TSA lied to the public about wrt safety and safety testing? How about the danger of having property taken from you? Forgot that little credit card tool with the knife in your wallet? fuck you, gone.

The danger that you will run afoul of some new secret rule?

I suspect the danger of being a victim of the TSA tips the scales in favor of driving.

RICK SPRINGFIELD DIALS 911 TO REPORT DRUNK DRIVER! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672790)

Hisself !! Then says it was a mistake !! Right you are !!

I finally figured it out! (5, Informative)

c.r.o.c.o (123083) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672794)

The TSA operation manual is actually Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Whoever mods me Funny, please don't. It's not a joke.

Re:I finally figured it out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673038)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Re:I finally figured it out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673158)

Whoever mods me Funny, please don't. It's not a joke.

Oh, but it is... Big cruelty joke perpetuated on the populace along the lines you're mentioning here.

Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672798)

Somebody over at TSA just got wise that $1million backscatter machines just push the problem internally.

Next stop: "Sleeper Cells" where the C4 is implanted in the pacemaker, just waiting for the right time and place... The person wouldn't even be aware.

Re:Finally! (2)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672890)

Ya got to wonder how competent these people are. They should've realized this even before they deployed the back-scatter machines. On the other hand, if they were aware of it, and they're doing likelihoods - figuring that the back-scatter machines just increased the level of difficulty for terrorists, meaning they're being smarter about it, then they've no reason to have grandmas remove their diapers (as they did last week), because again, they operating on likelihoods.

Either way, all is not right in the upper stories.

Re:Finally! (0)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673040)

The TSA's got to keep tap dancing around the fact that they can't use methods that work, namely profiling, no, not just racial or religious profiling, because then "everyone" would be up in arms about how they discriminate so they need to keep up the appearance of anticipating every crazy attack vector.

Real security means some people feel uncomfortable. Unfortunately we'll only tolerate something if it makes everyone uncomfortable, otherwise you're some sort of -ist.

Re:Finally! (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673202)

Racial and religious profiling don't work. The underpants idiot was black, the next one will be a recent convert if need be. Real security can't exist, the next threat may be from a white Christian, like OK city. We need to stop wasting money on the TSA, not find new ways to waste it.

Re:Finally! (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673098)

It's just your regular mission creep. They'll keep expanding as long as people let them as bureaucracies are wont to do.

They'll use a *Hand* Grenade (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672844)

Anyone's who's seen "DeathRace 2000", would know how this works.

Re:They'll use a *Hand* Grenade (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673002)

>>Anyone's who's seen "DeathRace 2000", would know how this works.

I prefer the cranium bombs from Diamond Age and Shadowrun.

Waay more classy than "butt bombs". You'll never go triple platinum with a name like that.

Jumped the shark ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672858)

If this is the level of security paranoia they're pushing for, all passengers will be required to travel while naked, bound, and with a bag over their head.

I realize for some people, that's the sign of a really hopping Saturday night ... but for the rest of us, it means that security has reached a level where commercial air travel involving the US is impossible.

Quite frankly, I can't see the rest of the world being willing to accept any more "enhanced tools" ... as it is, I have no intention of getting into one of those scanners.

What about a butt-bomb? (4, Insightful)

jasno (124830) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672876)

They've been ignoring the threat of butt-bombs for years now, even though a terrorist actually used that technique in 2009: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6862247.ece [timesonline.co.uk]

They also continue to ignore the fact that a liquid ban is ineffective when several travelers could combine their 3oz containers past the security checkpoint.

We reinforced the cabin doors, and that's all we ever needed to do to prevent another 9/11. The fact that we've allowed our government to waste billions while molesting innocent citizens is just sickening.

Re:What about a butt-bomb? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673132)

Terrorists have been using it long before then. The palestinians were doing it back in early 2000's, and muslims in pakistan and the philippines have been doing it since mid 2000's. That doesn't even touch on the terrorists strapping remote explosives, or using using the mentally handicapped as walking bombs either. They've been doing the first more recently, 2 cases of schoolgirls. One in India, and another in Afghanistan. And the latter for nearly a decade as well.

A Friendly Reminder.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36672896)

For you to be afraid. Be VERY AFRAID.

Your friends at the TSA

Ma'am (1, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672902)

"We're going to have to inspect those breasts. To make sure they're real, of course. I'm going to have several of my colleagues provide their opinions as well."

"Hey guys! Cop a feel on aisle 4!"

Useless body scanners anyone? (1)

pesho (843750) | more than 2 years ago | (#36672952)

So what are they going to do with all these microwave and X-Ray-scatter body scanners that were installed all around the place? Anything that is surgically implanted will not be visible to them, because they have very little penetration. Are going to get 'upgrades' for another couple of billion $$?

X-rays.. no, make that fullbody CT scans (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673008)

And publicly-funded colonoscopy exams by the TSA. Rawr, the terrorists must be really scared now!

I'm afraid you're going to have to come over here. (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673048)

We're going to need to give you a cavity search.

*straps passenger to table, puts on gloves, grabs scalpel*

A deep cavity search.

No snakes on planes either... (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673050)

Que Sam Jackson shouting "I am sick of these muthaf'ing bombs on this mothaf'ing plane!"

Alternate joke: After just having watched some anime, the TSA is worried about Psyonic attacks on planes, so they will be detaining and searching cute, underage girls with long wavy hair and large eyes.

Re:No snakes on planes either... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673154)

The word you want is "cue". Que is not a word. What you're using is some bizarre, ignorant combination of "cue" and "queue", which are totally different words and mean totally different things. I suggest reading a few books, so that you familiarize yourself with your native language.

There is nothing they can do.... (2)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673076)

There are some surgeries that leave objects they cannot reliably distinguish from bombs without removal. Now that the TSA seems to slowly begin to understand what it takes for the to actually provide security, they may discover that they cannot.

Flying after surgery has always been a bad idea (2)

acidradio (659704) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673136)

I used to work in the airline business in Minneapolis. Rochester, MN, home to the Mayo Clinic, is just a small commuter flight away. A lot of people would fly there for hospitalization from around the country and around the world. We regularly had trouble with people on their way home from Mayo who would get to Minneapolis then require an ambulance upon arrival because of problems with blood clots, lung function and other issues resulting from flying in a small seat on an airplane in a lower-pressure atmosphere.

If you have surgery for some reason wait until you go flying.

It's a good thing (1)

overshoot (39700) | more than 2 years ago | (#36673180)

... that you can't introduce foreign objects into the human body without leaving obvious surgical wounds.

Need to keep their funding! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36673198)

TSA is just trying to justify their existence, and keep the funds flowing. Just wait, once they finally figure out that the body scanners dont work and that terrorists aren't really stupid enough to walk through security with easily detectable weapons, it will be "Cavity searches for everyone."

K

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