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102 comments

And this is news because? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673292)

Then again, it's news when Steve Jobs farts around here it seems...

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673326)

Then again, it's news when Steve Jobs farts around here it seems...

That's only so that people can point out that farts that come in the presence of an android device is superior in every way. And it's opensource so anyone can fart the same.

Re:And this is news because? (2)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#36673588)

No, it's open source so anyone can extend and alter it.

Although, in reality, everyone still relies on Linus Torvalds to give them their farting orders.

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36674174)

It has Open Sores so that Linux Trovalds can grow beards with the other GNU/Hippies

Re:And this is news because? (4, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | about 3 years ago | (#36673332)

Because the thousands of geeks with an iPhone or iPad would like to know this?

Re:And this is news because? (1, Flamebait)

Q-Hack! (37846) | about 3 years ago | (#36673410)

A real geek wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPad.

Re:And this is news because? (2, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 3 years ago | (#36673440)

Get over yourself.
Plenty of "real" geeks own iDevices.

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673536)

Plenty of geeks also own refrigerators. It doesn't make refrigerator news geek worthy. There are uses for iDevices. There are benefits. But they are consumer oriented and not inherently 'geeky' devices.

Re:And this is news because? (4, Funny)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#36673602)

Plenty of geeks also own refrigerators. It doesn't make refrigerator news geek worthy.

Oh yeah? [edibleapple.com]

Re:And this is news because? (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 3 years ago | (#36678338)

If someone jail breaks their refrigerator so they can install Linux on it would be.
No difference.

Re:And this is news because? (1)

optimism (2183618) | about 3 years ago | (#36674390)

iDevices...are consumer oriented and not inherently 'geeky' devices

Ridiculous.

The iDevices are general purpose computers with a decent range of sensors (audio, image/video, light, proximity, touch, magnetism, gps, 3d acceleration, 3d angular velocity) and outputs (audio, image/video, light, vibration, cell, wifi, bluetooth).

Whether they are "geeky" or not depends solely on how you use them.

We use our iDevices to control home music and lighting with touch/tilt UI, share our locations in near real-time, make music via matrix sequencing, etc. Right now I'm looking at iphone oscilloscope apps/dongles for quick diagnosis of car issues (and I see there are OBD II iphone apps/dongles as well). If that ain't geeky, I dunno what is.

Get over your religious stupidity, and just start using the technology.

Re:And this is news because? (1)

siegesama (450116) | about 3 years ago | (#36673474)

Interesting. You seem to believe geek is now a culture dependent upon product selection. Is this related to the purchased hipster culture? Do you enjoy the labels you bought? Are you sure they are the right ones? You like forming cliques, and belonging to one when it's gaining popularity, don't you?

Re:And this is news because? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#36674632)

"No true Scotsman" [wikipedia.org] logical fallacy.

Incoming -1, troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36674644)

A "real" geek wouldn't be caught dead posting on Slashdot, let along with a super-4 digit ID

See? We can move that bar anywhere we want.

Re:And this is news because? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 3 years ago | (#36675506)

A real geek wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPad.

Real geeks have "jobs" as geeks and can afford an iPhone and iPad whereas people with too much time on their hands but not enough money would not.

How often do you hear of a plumber wanting to do plumbing on their time off? Plumbers will often have plumbing jobs left undone on their "honeydo" lists. The same thing goes for carpenters.

If you earn enough money to afford iOS products and you work in IT, the last thing you will want to do is tinker when you are off the clock unless if you happen to have asperger's or something.

Re:And this is news because? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673352)

If it worked with Android devices, your lot would be all over this touting it as a good thing. Piss off, ya wanker.

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673444)

Steve Jobs farted? OMG! How do I buy one? Does it come in white?

Re:And this is news because? (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#36673612)

It's colorless, just like everyone else's.

But it does smell faintly of unicorn meat.

Re:And this is news because? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673796)

I heard his farts smell of semen, lube, and week-old gerbil fur.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:And this is news because? (1)

Surt (22457) | about 3 years ago | (#36673908)

So, Santorum then.

Re:And this is news because? (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about 3 years ago | (#36681220)

This is one more thing to make you wonder about the people who said iOS is the most secure OS?

Untethered jailbreaking? (1)

Jabrwock (985861) | about 3 years ago | (#36673362)

Meh, call me when it jailbreaks iOS 5 without needing tethering.

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (2)

Dynedain (141758) | about 3 years ago | (#36673430)

The IOS jailbreaking community is very careful about not releasing exploits for beta versions of IOS so that they get maximum exposure when the release actually happens. If they release the exploit for IOS betas, it's easy for Apple to fix the exploit before code ships.

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (2)

Jabrwock (985861) | about 3 years ago | (#36673458)

Apple will fix the exploit when it comes out anyway. My point was that jailbreaking the latest minor patch isn't really ./-worthy news...

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (1)

pathological liar (659969) | about 3 years ago | (#36673680)

Like they fixed Stefan Esser's bug that (iirc) was open for every 4.3 version?

This bug was stolen and leaked prematurely [twitter.com] , who knows, it may well have been in iOS5.

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (1)

Dynedain (141758) | about 3 years ago | (#36673804)

It takes Apple much longer to patch released code (and get everyone to upgrade) than it takes them to patch beta code before final release.

Furthermore, this is the first released jailbreak for the iPad 2, and it's a 100% userland exploit that's activated by just visiting a website via the IOS device.

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36680002)

This isn't just another jailbreak. This is an exploit in the PDF rendering code in Mobile Safari. That means you can take any iphone (running the latest release version) and go to this website on it and it is jailbroken. No computer required. It could even be a display model iPhone at an apple store.

This is a little bigger of a deal than 'jailbreaking the latest minor patch'.

As with all previous versions of jailbreakme.com, the exploit used could also be used to install any malware on your phone. It's recommended that you install the pdf exploit fix..available in cydia today, or from an itunes update in however many months it takes apple to put the update out.

Re:Untethered jailbreaking? (1)

lgftsa (617184) | about 3 years ago | (#36675400)

5? It doesn't even work on 4 yet.

"Not supported on iPod Touch (2nd generation)"

Just don't try it on a console (0)

elrous0 (869638) | about 3 years ago | (#36673468)

It's fine on your phone, but you DARE try it on your PS3 and Sony will kill you and your children, rape your dog, and piss on your grave. then they'll track all your supporters down and do the same to them. And if you think the courts will stop them, think again [wired.com] .

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 3 years ago | (#36673532)

"Sony will kill you and your children, rape your dog, and piss on your grave. then they'll track all your supporters down and do the same to them"

I, for one, find that idea vaguely arousing....

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

thunderclap (972782) | about 3 years ago | (#36673564)

maybe before Anonymous and the lulzboat hit them. Right now they are still suffering from the massive breachs. They are currently this: http://www.nashvilletv.org/commercials/lifecall1989.JPG [nashvilletv.org]

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 3 years ago | (#36674292)

When it comes to control issues, Sony knows no reason or limits. They could get hit by a hundred Anon attacks and they would still do the same thing to the next GeoHotz who tried to hack their IP. I don't know if it's some Japanese thing or what, but Sony are fucking insane crazy control-freaks. Anyone remember how far they were willing to go [wikipedia.org] just to stop people from ripping their music CD's?

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | about 3 years ago | (#36673608)

LMAO so true.

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

Mad Leper (670146) | about 3 years ago | (#36675016)

Since when does "jailbreaking" apply to hacking the PS3? As I've pointed out before, none off the DCMA exceptions laid down by the Library of Congress apply to what was done to the PS3. Do we call any hacking attempt a "jailbreak" now?

If Jailbreakme.com released a new firmware for the iPhone that allowed unlimited free access to the iTunes store and let you mess with other peoples iTunes accounts, then you bet Apple would sic the lawyers on them. Only then could you correctly draw any connection to the PS3 incident.

Re:Just don't try it on a console (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | about 3 years ago | (#36676796)

As I've pointed out before, none off the DCMA exceptions laid down by the Library of Congress apply to what was done to the PS3.

Wait, if you are talking about the ruling on the iPhone hacking do we have any specific evidence that specifically says, or proves, it can not?

If Jailbreakme.com released a new firmware for the iPhone that allowed unlimited free access to the iTunes store and let you mess with other peoples iTunes accounts, then you bet Apple would sic the lawyers on them. Only then could you correctly draw any connection to the PS3 incident.

Except that'sNOTHING LIKE the PS3 jailbreaking with GeoHot, which was what is being refferred to. It is nothing like what he actually did [as opposed to what people, especially the blind Sony Fanboys, keep on spouting]

Isn't this a valid question? (3, Insightful)

nicholas22 (1945330) | about 3 years ago | (#36673508)

Why don't you buy hardware that you can actually own? You know, so that you're not afraid that Apple will lock you out of your own hardware.

Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36673600)

I would. But what's the Android counterpart to an iPod touch? I have an Archos 43 Internet Tablet, which is almost it. But because Archos products run AOSP Android instead of OHA Android, they don't have Android Market, meaning they can't use Market-exclusive applications such as Chase Bank's check deposit tool.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

flibuste (523578) | about 3 years ago | (#36673632)

But what's the Android counterpart to an iPod touch?

The Nexus One comes to mind...They are both about the same size, same weight, same solid feel, same responsiveness...Sometimes I mistake one for another when they sit on my desk. The big Home button on the IPod Touch reminds me I cannot call with it, that's all there is,, One advantage to the Nexus is that you don't need ITunes to put stuff on, and you can put any kind of stuff you want...so it's better than an IPod Touch because you can use it as a USB drive :P

I want more life, Focker (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36673700)

The Nexus One comes to mind

The last time I checked out a Nexus One, I rejected it because it cost twice as much as the cheapest iPod touch. But now it appears to be down to the 300 USD range. Thank you for reminding me to check Google Product Search again.

One advantage to the Nexus is that you don't need ITunes to put stuff on, and you can put any kind of stuff you want

This is true of an Archos 43 as well. The big differences are apparently the capacitive touch screen (Archos 43 has a more PDA-like resistive screen) and Android Market access.

Re:I want more life, Focker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36680086)

So... you expect a smartphone to be cheaper than a music player? Or even in the same price range?

Hmmm... ok.

Re:I want more life, Focker (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36681344)

Anonymous Coward wrote:

So... you expect a smartphone to be cheaper than a music player?

No, but if iOS can have a music player and a smartphone that access the same app store, I expect Android to have the same. Right now the closest counterpart to an iPod touch on the Android side is an older model smartphone.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673692)

Galaxy player. Samsung makes it.

Sent from my iPad

Who sells Galaxy Player? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36673756)

Galaxy player. Samsung makes it.

But who sells it? Google Product Search doesn't appear to list it.

Re:Who sells Galaxy Player? (1)

b0bby (201198) | about 3 years ago | (#36674002)

Galaxy player. Samsung makes it.

But who sells it? Google Product Search doesn't appear to list it.

I found one place in the UK selling it for $335. So about $100 more than a touch and who knows if that one site was a scam.

I am also waiting for an Android alternative to the touch, but I'm not willing to pay way more for one. So in answer to your original question, there isn't really an alternative to the touch.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

operator_error (1363139) | about 3 years ago | (#36673850)

I would. But what's the Android counterpart to an iPod touch?

An option might be to use Nokia's upcoming N9 Linux phone, with Android running in a virtual machine when you really want it. The phone is supposed to come with Alien Dalvik installed (an Android VM compatibility layer). Available in a single solid block of black, blue, or pink polycarbonite with curved Gorilla glass and no buttons on the face.

What kinda excites me as a developer, besides it being linux and an upgrade to my N900 and all that, is the GUI is worked out for single-handed usage.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-android-app-support-promised-with-alien-dalvik-22160809/ [slashgear.com]
http://swipe.nokia.com/ [nokia.com]

In the U.S. the Amazon.com store seems to be the best place I've seen so far to buy such unlocked phones.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36736102)

Alien Dalvik no more runs Android apps in a VM than Android does. And until I hear confirmation directly from Myriad that they will bring Alien Dalvik to the N9, I'm going to treat that as nothing more than a rumour. Myriad demoed it on the N900, but they won't sell it for the N900, so I'm not going to assume they'll sell it for the N9 until they explicitly state they will.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

blahbooboo (839709) | about 3 years ago | (#36673636)

Which equipment is that? Last I checked android phones needed "rooting" thanks to carriers locking the phones...

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

lordandmaker (960504) | about 3 years ago | (#36673742)

I'd assumed he meant OpenMoko, but the answer to his question in that case is obvious.

Not really (0)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 3 years ago | (#36673750)

I think people get a little confused. Android phones are "jailbroken" as is. More or less all you have to do to get the same access you have on a JB iToy is turn on allowing third party apps and allow debugging over USB. That'll let you install apps from non-market sources (like Amazon's store, or just straight web downloads), do your own software, etc.

Rooting goes a step further. It is full control over the device and is mostly if you care to run a custom OS on it. That's great if you want that, but it is a step above what is even tried with iToys.

That's the reason why jailbreaking is such a bigger deal than rooting. You have to jailbreak your phone to get apps from anybody but Apple, and if you want to customize many features (like have a different keyboard). Android allows that already. Rooting is only for full custom redos, when you want a different ROM on your phone.

Also, you can get android devices that don't need rooting. There are phones available from some carriers that are "S-OFF" meaning you can write to the area the OS is in and thus flash your own ROM, if you wish.

Re:Not really (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36674000)

I hate to break it to you but it's the same thing. Why would you buy a device you don't have full control over? Android is no better except for the option to use other markets. They are still just as locked down by the handset manufacturers. Claiming Jailbreaking is radically different than rooting is just playing politics.

Re:Not really (1)

d4fseeker (1896770) | about 3 years ago | (#36678178)

Jailbreaking implies you have to "break" out. (Read: find a security issue and successfully exploit it to gain privileged access to the system) 'Rooting' on (most - not all) Android phones consists of putting the phone into download mode and replacing the kernel with a non-locked down one. Motorola is an exception as they willfully lock the system by only allowing signed code, all other phones at least had an option to toggle signature check. The difference to iOS? The time to patch the kernel and recompile it vs weeks of searching and experimenting in a locked-down environment.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36673830)

Last I checked android phones needed "rooting" thanks to carriers locking the phones

Due to customer demand for Amazon Appstore, AT&T has started to enable "Unknown sources" on its phones. (See for example this article [tgdaily.com] .) Other carriers have left it enabled from the beginning.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673920)

AT&T made some big promises about how it would enable unknown sources "very soon". However my wife's HTC Aria has not been updated yet (it was one of the models they said they would fix) and we just got my son a Motorola Atrix 2 weeks ago and it still has no way to turn on unknown sources. I think they came out and talked up a big game - but haven't actually played it yet.

Ask and it shall be given (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36674868)

AT&T made some big promises about how it would enable unknown sources "very soon". However my wife's HTC Aria has not been updated yet

I've read another article somewhere stating that the update will get pushed out to anyone who calls AT&T and asks about it.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 3 years ago | (#36676804)

Nice thing about WebOS devices:

Type in the Konami Code (upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart) and you can now enable Developer Mode (root access). Install whatever you want.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about 3 years ago | (#36673860)

The Google Nexus S [google.com] ; the Nokia N900 is another, more flexible but less slick example. You have to buy them via internet retailers like Amazon in most places however. Lots of phones from Samsung and HTC are reportedly beginning to come without any need to root them.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | about 3 years ago | (#36674054)

It can be purchased from Amazon, Best Buy, Wirefly and Sprint. I don't own one but it looks like you can buy one that is unlocked for 400-500 or you can buy one with a reduced price which may or may not need to be rooted. I couldn't ascertain that from the site (pretty sure that's not by mistake).

WebOS.. The Veer/Touchpad soon to be Pre 3 (1)

gQuigs (913879) | about 3 years ago | (#36675096)

WebOS Devices have a great homebrew community that HP supports. HP donated servers and help them port some of the homebrew only apps. (One example: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/06/hp-soothes-homebrew-crowd-by-reaffiming-support [ubergizmo.com] )

I've blogged about it before as well ( http://bryanquigley.com/uncategorized/hppalms-webos [bryanquigley.com] )

From the webosinternals wiki: ( http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux [webos-internals.org] )
"In general, simply installing the Palm SDK gives you everything you need for full access to the Linux operating system on the Pre or Pixi. There is no special "rooting" or "jailbreaking" process. Simply installing the SDK provides you with unlimited access to the Linux operating system logged in as the root user. Palm does not see this as a bad thing. Palm provides all these tools for download by anyone, anytime, for free."

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36674122)

There isn't much hardware that "you really own" available in certain market sectors anymore, esp. cell phones.

As long as the masses buy the iCrap, and other locked down devices in large numbers, there is no incentive for the manufactures and carriers to change these policies.

Too bad the truly open Neo never was that great of a phone. The most open mainstream phone, the N900 was effectively killed months after launch. And, it still has quite a few binary blobs needed to make the thing work. But, it is definitely the most open device you can buy that is also a pretty reliable usable phone.

The N900 had zero appeal to the iCrap crowd. though. No farting apps, no $5000 "I'm rich [aka I have more money than brains]" app that does nothing but display a rotating picture of a gem on the screen, etc. Also, no incentive for this sort of app ecosystem on any device that leverages a non-proprietary OS. Almost anything a person with an IQ over 80 could ever want already exists, and is free, as a native gnu/linux, freebsd, etc. application-- just needs to be touch / screen layout optimized. Without being able to monetize the app ecosystem (so they can get their cut), there is even less incentive for the manufacturers to make open devices.

Unfortunately, I think things are trending even worse. In a few more years, there will likely be nothing on the market that isn't completely controlled by a corporate overlord. To have any control without having to "jail break" etc., will probably require a home brew phone.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36675722)

Why don't you buy hardware that you can actually own?

Because Apple's hardware (or rather software, really) just works better, at least for the time being?

I'm eagerly waiting for Google to sort out the mess which is Honeycomb so that I can finally give my Asus Transformer the love that it deserves, but for the time being, it's iPad 2 for me, sorry. As far as phones go, on the other hand, I can't imagine going from Samsung Galaxy S2 back to iPhone 4.

Long story short: some products work better than other products, all things ("walled garden" included) considered. YMMV.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

microbee (682094) | about 3 years ago | (#36675912)

To me, jailbreak is exactly the approach I take to own the hardware I bought.

So what's your question again?

Ask Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36675928)

Why don't you buy hardware that you can actually own?

That's a good point. Since I'm looking to replace my current smartphone before the year's up, what would you recommend? I don't want anything locked-down, but are there any viable alternatives that aren't?

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36676612)

When someone says they own an xbox 360 or a PS3 or a Wii, do you ask the same question? If not, why?

The iPhone is hardly the only device that can only run vendor-approved software without modification. I fail to see why everyone makes a big deal out of it, to the exclusion of other identical cases.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36679228)

When someone says they own an xbox 360 or a PS3 or a Wii, do you ask the same question? If not, why?

The iPhone is hardly the only device that can only run vendor-approved software without modification. I fail to see why everyone makes a big deal out of it, to the exclusion of other identical cases.

In fact, they're not even 'identical' in the sense that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo control their platforms with far more of an iron fist than Apple does. Especially Sony.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (1)

sco08y (615665) | about 3 years ago | (#36679300)

Why don't you buy hardware that you can actually own? You know, so that you're not afraid that Apple will lock you out of your own hardware.

I do have hardware that I actually own. I can do anything I want on my desktop machines.

All my mobile devices are, for me, work devices. I don't want a dead battery or configuration problems or some terrible app crash my phone when I need to call 911. To me, there is a time to explore and to play, and there's a time to get work done.

If you want to portray it as renting, I'm fine with that: I also rent my apartment. I haven't bought a house because it doesn't make economic sense for me to do so, and it really sucks trying to hang pictures without nails. I'll buy a fully open phone when one that can replace my iPhone is on the market.

Re:Isn't this a valid question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36681454)

I think you're just trolling now. There are many phones superior to the iPhone. This is the objective view found in many of today's IT publications, not my opinion alone.

Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

empaler (130732) | about 3 years ago | (#36673592)

Worked fine on my iPad 2 and iPhone 3GS. iPhone 4 is now stuck in an Logo Loop of Death. I can access it through iRecovery, but I can't really salvage anything. Too bad I haven't backed it up for months, because there is soooo much data that I am going to lose if I have to Restore.

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (3, Insightful)

nicholas22 (1945330) | about 3 years ago | (#36673604)

Ouch, this must be a bit of a pain. Maybe a good opportunity to try something outside the walled garden for a change? :)

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (2, Insightful)

pathological liar (659969) | about 3 years ago | (#36673892)

Yeah, why learn a lesson about backups, when you can just buy a new phone, replace any applications you bought, and then... uhh... learn to backup the new phone.

Why is this modded insightful?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | about 3 years ago | (#36675014)

Because I wasn't referring to backups, just noticed that he has a bunch of Apple kit. Cranky much?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36675476)

Miss the point much?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

empaler (130732) | about 3 years ago | (#36685960)

I can't abide by Symbian, Windows Phone, Android nor whatever the hell Samsung, Motorola and Ericsson excrete into their phones. Trust me, I've tried.

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (3, Insightful)

blahbooboo (839709) | about 3 years ago | (#36673652)

Sounds like you did a lot of stupid things in a row. If you don't know enough to backup your device before you mess with it you shouldn't be jailbreaking/rooting.

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673900)

Sounds like you did a lot of stupid things in a row. If you don't know enough to backup your device before you mess with it you shouldn't be jailbreaking/rooting.

Is there a mod in the house?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

empaler (130732) | about 3 years ago | (#36674864)

To be more precise, it was my GF's phone, and I had successfully traversed two other devices first. Let's just say I am not popular at this very moment.

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36675688)

To be more precise, it was my GF's phone, and I had successfully traversed two other devices first.

Let's just say I am not popular at this very moment.

You bought your hand a phone?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

dwarfsoft (461760) | about 3 years ago | (#36676898)

Sure! What else is it going to play with while he's looking at his newly jailbroken iPad 2?

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

jeremyp (130771) | about 3 years ago | (#36680864)

That's weird, I'm exactly the opposite. I'll happily apply all sorts of potentially dangerous updates to my own devices without bothering to back up anything, but when it comes to my girl friend, parents, brother, friends, in fact anybody else. I won't go near it without a verified back up. I also will not attempt to change system software on anybody's devices except my own in any way without being specifically requested by the owner.

Re:Danger, Will Robinson! (1)

empaler (130732) | about 3 years ago | (#36685910)

I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't had 100% success on the other devices, but none of the other devices was the exact same, so I should have waited. Now she'll never jailbreak again.

Why jailbreak, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36673872)

This is of course not the most popular opinion here but I am quite happy with Apple's infamous total integration approach. Everything works fine, updates happen smoothly, I am relatively certain that there is no malware in the apps. In short, I don't have to think about managing my iPad. It just works.
What would jailbreaking bring me? GUI changes? Sorry, not interested, I am not a teenager anymore. Pirated apps? Not interested, they are cheap enough to play fair. Ok, tethering could be useful, if my iPad were not the 3G model.

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

isama (1537121) | about 3 years ago | (#36674342)

My reason for jailbraking is running openssh, i simply want it on all of my machines. If it doesnt run openssh i dont want it.

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 3 years ago | (#36675650)

Why?

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 3 years ago | (#36676840)

Because being able to access any of your devices from any of your other devices is handy?

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

isama (1537121) | about 3 years ago | (#36680306)

This. and the occasional cheating a firewall is great too.

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 3 years ago | (#36682282)

Why, to transfer files?

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36682768)

To transfer files, to read a file, to change a configuration, to start an app/server, to kill an app/server, to do whatever the hell he wants/needs to do because he has shell access.

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

Beardydog (716221) | about 3 years ago | (#36674638)

I've got a Wi-Fi only model, which lacks true GPS. I bought RoqyBT to let it receive coordinates from the external receiver I've got.

I've also got an iPod touch. In my work at a small game publisher, I recently had to capture video of an iPhone game that may be ported to the DS. Even with native Apple cables, the touch was incapable out outputting live game footage until it was jailbroken, and had one of the DisplayOut hacks installed.

More usable keyboards, improved iPhone app scaling, AdBlock, music player controls that don't require the device to be turned on and unlocked, increased caching of Google Maps data for faster loading and offline use, user agent faking for sites that try to feed you mobile versions...

Re:Why jailbreak, really? (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | about 3 years ago | (#36676842)

Just because YOU don't see a benefit to jailbreaking doesn't mean that other people don't find legitimate reasons. The only reason your opinion is viewed as "not the most popular" is because of HOW you expressed it - like a pompous asshat.

Wow! (1)

sehlat (180760) | about 3 years ago | (#36674580)

Just went over to the site in Safari on my iPhone 4 and downloaded "Cydia". I've now got a trial copy of Insomnia running on my phone. Service just doesn't get better than this. And if it tests out, I won't have to re-logon to my employer's wi-fi network every fifteen minutes to keep the connection live.

This will be patched fast (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about 3 years ago | (#36674962)

It appears to be a remote code execution exploit in Safari and/or Webkit. I give it a week before iOS 4.3.4 is available. And I'll be installing it, since I don't want drive-by malware* on my phone.

*Dimmer readers may incorrectly think I'm calling Cydia malware.

Re:This will be patched fast (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36675202)

it seems a lot of those exploits are like that, why is the browser woven so tightly to the os? doesn't it remind of some other company?

Re:This will be patched fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36675420)

Mod Parent up: Although it's "cool" to jailbreak your phone on purpose, this allows attackers to run code in the root context without your permission. If you are on 4.3.3.

Re:This will be patched fast (3, Informative)

Vokkyt (739289) | about 3 years ago | (#36676872)

Since a few others followed in your footsteps here, it should be noted that Comex even mentions on the site that he simultaneously released a patch for the flaw he's using. As it says on the website:

"Along with the jailbreak, I am releasing a patch for the main vulnerability which anyone especially security conscious can install to render themselves immune; due to the nature of iOS, this patch can only be installed on a jailbroken device. Until Apple releases an update, jailbreaking will ironically be the best way to remain secure."

The Jailbreak community has been very open about possible security holes created by Jailbreaking, and the core Jailbreaking sites all have guides on securing your iDevice. Between that and backing SHSH Blobs, you basically can jailbreak ad arbitrium and not have to worry.

Works, but less appealing than it used to be (2)

ajo_arctus (1215290) | about 3 years ago | (#36675058)

I just ran it on my iPad and it does indeed work well. The Jailbreak guys (Comex et al) do an incredible job, and I'm really glad that they do it (because it reminds everyone that you DO own your own hardware), but I'm seeing less and less reason to Jailbreak these days.

It has been about 3 years since I last Jailbroke an iPhone. Back then, it was almost essential -- you got some serious additional functionality that wasn't in iOS. Coming back to it now, I'm not so sure. Cydia is pretty slick, but iOS is a completely different kettle of fish. I was quite surprised at how many apps cost actual money -- the spirit of hackers sharing for the sake of hacking has almost totally gone, and now you're expected to spend a few dollars on the best of the little tweaks. For example, an app that can record an AVI of your screen (useful for creating tutorials) costs $5. It's not a bad price, I admit, but it's not what I was expecting. If more of the best Cydia apps were free, I expect there would be far more jailbreaking.

Sadly, the two things I was most interested in -- terminal/bash and ruby -- appear to be poorly maintained and are in a pretty unusable state. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is in Cydia, but when I ran it I got a dyld error about a missing symbol. There's no way that's going to work. The MobileTerminal app crashed too, but I got around it by installing openssh and sshing in to the console through prompt. It was slow (I think OpenSSL is slow on the ARM chip -- or maybe it's just prompt) and pointless (without Ruby/git).

It has been nice to take a look at the state of the Jailbreak scene, but I don't think I'll bother keeping it. It did make me think about what I would like to do with my iPad, if I could (I would like the ability to install a console, a compiler, ruby, vim, sqlite and so on). I would quite like Linux on my iPad. Having XWindows isn't important, though some sort of graphics system would be nice (based on libsvga or whatever) so we can create our own touch UI. Bluetooth support (for mouse/keyboard), power management, sound and hardware-accelerated h264 would also be essential. Is there any reason we can't create a Linux distro that literally replaces iOS, using the same techniques as the Jailbreak to get it up and running? Can anyone comment on whether it is just too hard because of the totally undocumented hardware, or are the components standard enough to make it feasible?

Re:Works, but less appealing than it used to be (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | about 3 years ago | (#36678562)

Is there any reason we can't create a Linux distro that literally replaces iOS, using the same techniques as the Jailbreak to get it up and running?

I had my iPhone 3G dual-booting iOS and Android for a little while. Android didn't run particularly well, mostly because there wasn't much support in it for the iPhone's hardware, but it booted up and some apps worked slowly.

If you can get Android running on an iDevice, I don't see why you couldn't get a more standard Linux system running. Again, the sticking point would be figuring out how to talk to the hardware.

Does this mean... (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | about 3 years ago | (#36675886)

...iPad2 users can finally visit the NYT website without purchasing a broken $20 a month app [arstechnica.com] ?

Apple: Site blocked? Don't worry, we have a broken app for that.

Correction (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | about 3 years ago | (#36675924)

The link is for the NY Post. The NYT doesn't block, but has a 20 article limit. [adage.com]

This is insane. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36676138)

If a device can be jailbroken this easily, doesn't that mean that it's terribly, terribly insecure? Users of Apple products should be extremely paranoid right now.

Re:This is insane. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36678788)

shhhhhhhhhh :)

let them become (more) complacent

lulz

Grooveshark! (1)

ideaz (1981092) | about 3 years ago | (#36677414)

Thats what I jailbreak for! Really nor amazon, nor google could come close to Grooveshark!

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