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Dell Sets Stage To Take On Apple's iCloud

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the head-in-the-clouds dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "Dell has quietly created a cloud-based service offering that could offer consumers a compelling reason to keep investing in Dell devices. The new release, which began shipping last week, allows users who snap a picture with a Dell Streak or other Dell mobile device to automatically upload it to a pool of free, shared cloud storage. The new software also allows devices to remotely control and play back shared audio and video, plus other services."

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Another raving success (0)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36675800)

I'm sure this will be even more successful than the time they re-badged the iPod.

Re:Another raving success (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 3 years ago | (#36675982)

You mean HP [wikipedia.org]

Re:Another raving success (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677586)

LOL, whattaya know? My memory ain't so good. :)

Re:Another raving success (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677876)

No, Dell did it too.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-963901.html [cnet.com]

Re:Another raving success (1)

Mr. Droopy Drawers (215436) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681712)

There's a big difference. HP actually rebranded the unit. You could get an "HP iPOD" including a U2 commemorative model. Dell simply added it to its "store" like they do with the PS3 and XBox today.

Dell's entry into this market was the ill-fated "Dell Jukebox" or (DJ) and "Dell Ditty" which were rebranded Creative Nomads and Zens. They were roundly criticized for their horrible user interface and support software; neither of which Dell created.

Dell? (1)

jschmitz (607083) | more than 3 years ago | (#36675824)

wait ..oh Dell - um yeah...seriously???

Re:Dell? (0)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676800)

Yeah, it's serious. Fuck, it's all over DellRumors.com and DellInsider.com. Even DellingFilebarr (the king of Engrish Dell blogs) is reporting it.

Re:Dell? (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677368)

As much as i'll be slapped down for saying it Apple is behind the curve on this one. With Google / MS Cloud, even Ubuntu has its own cloud solution. Repositories designed to deal with Storage and Applications is already here. Apple gets news attention over it but really offers far less then whats already out there as it renders the YOUR data to be "stuck" in application land.

Dell on the other hand is probably doing what it always does. Offer a rebranded product under their own title. Security vendors such as Trend are getting behind the 8ball on this and offering products like SecureCloud and with certainty if your not using iCloud within a few years cloud "bolt ons" will simply be an extension of your AV.

Apple's mistake on this one is security by restriction. They are balking at what secure elements are being implemented and they are restricting data availability, if these cloud companies (not just Apple) don't offer effective Data Escrow solutions its widespread adoption is going to be tough.

Re:Dell? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677640)

Apple's cloud product isn't as good at storage as what DropBox does for free.

Their cloud email/address/calendar sync isn't as good as what Google does for free.

Their cloud backup is pretty slick, but not so much better than what CrashPlan offers for free.

So they emphasize photo sync and music sharing. Meh, it had better be pretty good...

What hope does Dell have?

Re:Dell? (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677906)

Apple's cloud product isn't even out yet, so good luck with your predictions.

Re:Dell? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677992)

I should have said that their current product isn't as good as DropBox and Google's free offering, and that their current backup product is pretty slick.

The new service seems to emphasize photo sync and music sharing, and I have no idea how well that will work.... but as I say, it had better be good.

Dell has zero track record and so I can't really lash out at them, but I'm quite skeptical that they can dazzle right off the line.

Re:Dell? (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679960)

Hate to be captain obvious on this one http://www.apple.com/icloud/what-is.html [apple.com] .

I foresee Apple's attempt at hitting the collaborative email market about as successful as Apple attempt at hitting the games market ...

http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=games [apple.com]

Look Call of Duty has been released! No wait ...

Re:Dell? (1)

thenerd (3254) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681130)

Apple IOS has more games than all other game systems combined
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/17/apple-ios-iphone-ipa/

Re:Dell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36806780)

These crappy little things aren't games ... good one!

Apple re-brands Tetris and all off a sudden gets the valor of being a leading games supplier. COD is a game, WOW is a game but not really.

Console experience owns over anything else out there, if you don't believe it you're simply not playing console games!

Re:Dell? (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681276)

Maybe I missed something. Call of Duty is the first hit on your search link. I bought it on the Mac App Store. What does "No wait ..." mean in this context?

If you think iCloud is merely a collaborative email tool, you probably bought a Nomad instead of an iPod 10 years ago, probably sold all your Apple stock in 2004, probably complain about one-button mice on Macs, even though they stopped making them in 2005, and probably think a Chevy Malibu is a better car than a BMW 3, because it costs less. You also probably go on slashdot and post "teh shiny!" on every Apple topic.

Or maybe I misunderstood the entire point of your post, since I'm still baffled at posting a link that is supposed to prove that CoD isn't available for Mac when it clearly is?

Re:Dell? (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 3 years ago | (#36806796)

No COD 4 which is like 3 years old is available, no other versions http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=Call+of+Duty&mco=MTA4MTkyMjY [apple.com]

COD is the one of the worlds most popular games out there and Apple is 3 years behind, that's the point I'm making.

Re:Dell? (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36809558)

Oh, you mean Call of Duty Modern Warfare, but you said Call of Duty...maybe you should be more precise with your petty arguments. I play PC only games on my Mac (boot into Windows) when there's only a PC version. If there's a Mac version on Steam, I buy it there (and can play on my Mac or PC side, if I'm too lazy to take the 30 seconds to reboot).

There are legitimate reasons to be anti-Mac, but "lack of video games" or "games only work on Windows" is definitely not one of them.

Re:Dell? (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36809574)

And another thing, it's not Apple that's 3 years behind, it's the game developers. Other companies have realized that almost 100 million installed machines is a very lucrative market, especially when your competitors are too lazy to make a version for the platform. And the Mac market is growing insanely, especially in the target video-game playing demographic.

Re:Dell? (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681314)

Except you're making the assumption that people want to use cloud storage like Google or Amazon think they do. I honestly don't think so, I certainly don't, and Apple is betting they don't either, which is why they are NOT restricting people, but rather approaching this concept with a different business model. You're not storing everything in the cloud, but the cloud is a way to make sure all your devices are automatically synced with no management effort from the user. They may end up being wrong, but I think we'll find that the public will like this business model.

Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (3, Insightful)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#36675834)

So the title should maybe read better and more accurately... "Dell rushed to market a delayed release of a copy of a competitors product"

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36675930)

Yes, but they don't need to set up a large cloud because no one is going to use the service any ways. They are just planning appropriately.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (3, Insightful)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676098)

"Apple rushed to market a delayed release of a copy of a competitors product".

Fixed that for you.
Google is light years ahead of the vapor-ware known as iCloud . For all we know iCloud will turn out as bad as Mobile Me , I mean .Mac , know I mean iTools .
Look here comes the fan boys to mod me through the floor.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676160)

The most deceiving thing in iCloud is that they won't store your pics... This is really stunning. Given the price of 2TB drives nowadays, it is a wonder that they stumble on that.

For the rest, I find it actually useful that a document made here gets its way to all my other devices. Plus the added benefit of an online backup.

No revolution there, but a nice implementation in my view. As often with Apple.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676336)

space is not cheap - pictures are large compared to documents and they do not deduplicate well at the block level

iCloud is running in an enterprise environment - there the min cost of storage is 3 to 1 bytes just raw space (most have much higher costs).

People will point to the (what they see) as cheap 2TB drives.. please note that they will not enter the building.. the cost in $ per bit is much higher than just the cost of a cheap drive.. and no not all drives are made the same, and yes when you are dealing with 10's-100's thousands of disks it really matters - more then than any other time.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676734)

You can buy 3 of them and they are still cheap.

You can buy 3 of something else that's equally portable but sufficiently large and it will still be cheaper (than enterprise storage).

Once you've got 3 or more, many of the usual "benefits" of "enterprise" storage start to go away.

Being able to sync photos is a very granny-friendly sort of use case for cloud storage.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677082)

Once you've got 3 or more, many of the usual "benefits" of "enterprise" storage start to go away.

So your home unit has dual processors/mobos that can fail-over seamlessly, multiple power supplies to feed 'em, 10gE or FCP out the back, firmware to parcel out and/or resize partitions on-the-fly, hot-swappable drive shelves, deduplication, versioning/snapshots, mobile partitions w/ no downtime, remote mirroring, and all of that with built-in iSCSI, NFS *and* CIFS?

Oh, and let's not forget 24/7/365 support, and the ability to replace any part of the whole shebang within 4 hours, but w/o additional cost for doing so.

==

Once you start emulating what an enterprise storage rig *really* has feature-wise, you'll find out very quickly that you're not going to get cheaper - at least not by enough to matter... especially once you start piling on spindles to multiply throughput beyond what a mere three disk drives can do.

Sure - for personal use, I'm very sure that putting up with a slower not-perfectly-redundant (home brew?) NAS box that you have to set up and support yourself would be cheaper than calling up EMC or NetApp. OTOH, if you're supporting hundreds of thousands of paying users on it, things change by quite a lot.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677648)

...except you don't need all of that nonsense to deal with a personal need.

You don't even need to use a "NAS" box. You can just use any number of external storage devices that are big and cheap.

It's not 1995 anymore. The only real reason to fixate on the cloud is devices that are intentionally crippled and need some proprietary service to make up for the fact that they can neither use standard external storage nor standard network protocols nor be freely accessed by non-proprietary tools.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677922)

.The only real reason to fixate on the cloud is devices that are intentionally crippled and need some proprietary service to make up for the fact that they can neither use standard external storage nor standard network protocols nor be freely accessed by non-proprietary tools.

Or for automatic synching of my files to all my devices...

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681332)

Now you went and ruined a perfectly good anti-Apple rant with common sense and a real understanding of what iCloud is attempting to offer.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36682358)

...except you don't need all of that nonsense to deal with a personal need.

Nope- you don't. Unless you want all the features that an enterprise rig actually has. Most individual consumers don't/won't need it, though - no matter who provides the 'cloud'.

I just found it funny that suddenly a slapped together box was 'just as good' as a SAN. Fact is, it isn't.

At my previous job, I had to convince a PHB that no, buying cheap arrays won't replace NetApp and EMC gear, and it took a *lot* of argument.

I finally demanded that he put his arguments in writing, on paper, so I had something to show the board of directors if the inevitable were to occur w/ a bunch of cheap arrays... *that* was what finally got him to let me order a new SAN, and keep the contracts going on our existing ones.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676380)

They actually do keep your pics, but not permanently. That's what the whole "30 days" confusion was about during the keynote, which was later cleared up. Apple is betting on getting users into their ecosystem, at which point the only weakness in their approach (that your data is not accessible if you lack an iDevice nearby) becomes a moot point, since you'll always have an Apple-branded device present. Basically, both approaches look the same to the user so long as the user never accesses their data from devices other than Apple ones, and for a lot of Apple users that holds true, so Apple stands to save a lot of money on data storage by simply not supporting the feature.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676302)

Uhh... iCloud will crush google.... for one reason alone...iTunes Match.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676428)

Google will probably do just fine, because you need iOS to use the other one.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677782)

Windows 7 in an iOS machine?

my sansa can't play AAC files?

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678292)

Google will do just fine, but you're wrong on the other count. iCloud does not require iOS.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679156)

You need at least one iOS machine to obtain an iCloud membership; that syncs up all your goodies to your Mac and PC and whatever else, but you must own at least one iOS device.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679510)

You need at least one iOS machine to obtain an iCloud membership; that syncs up all your goodies to your Mac and PC and whatever else, but you must own at least one iOS device.

That's not quite true.

And if that does become true, you don't have to keep using iOS to continue using iCloud.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676326)

There is a nice service available from Ubuntu, as well. (And yes they offered that before Apple did.)

Now I can see why people would want to use the service from Apple - there might be a vendor lock-in issue, but I'm sure their offering is at least nicely put together.

For Dell that's a bit of a different issue though - who on earth would want to be locked into Dell devices? And there are alternatives - like the already mentioned Ubuntu One, which can be accessed with Android and iPhone apps.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678304)

There is a nice service available from Ubuntu, as well. (And yes they offered that before Apple did.)

iTools and .Mac predated even the existence of Ubuntu itself, let alone Ubuntu One.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

jbplou (732414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676660)

I don't think Google is light years ahead of icloud, iTunes/app store blow away Googles offerings. Google is too handsoff with it's ecosystem.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676758)

I would rather not be tied to a particular company store. Most stuff that's wrapped in DRM and turned into the modern equivalent of a WinDOS application is pure data that doesn't really need such a dependency. This goes for Amazon too. Except they strive to have wider and more device support than Apple.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678350)

I would rather not be tied to a particular company store.

You're not. iCloud will accept music from anywhere, iTunes music is DRM-free, and iPods/iPhones/etc. can play music from any store that supports mp3 or aac (among other formats, but these basically cover the bases).

Most stuff that's wrapped in DRM and turned into the modern equivalent of a WinDOS application is pure data that doesn't really need such a dependency.

iTunes music isn't DRMd. It hasn't been for many years now.

This goes for Amazon too. Except they strive to have wider and more device support than Apple.

Which is of little import (and Amazon's music is DRM-free too).

If you're just talking about the app side of things (a rather narrow scope, but maybe that's to go along with a narrow mind), I'd point out that most people just simply don't give a shit. Your opinion is fine as it applies to you, but most people don't care, so your opinion is in no way pertinent to how things will turn out in the market as a whole.

You may as well claim RC cola will beat out Coke, because you don't like their business ethics. Good for you, your opinion is just fine and you're entitled to it, but don't mistake it for anything even remotely common.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679122)

But, I can't stand iTunes...even on my Macbook Pro. I'm pretty anal about my file naming, and folder/directory naming. I also have music on my NAS, and it's a pain to access via iTunes... I can't use newer iDevices without iTunes... My android contacts sync to my online contacts since I first got my G1, and I can manage my files/apps as I see fit, with options from many vendors.

My biggest reasons for not using iOS devices are the lockin, and iTunes... Lion being online-only distro irks me as well. Not so grandma friendly, when grandma can only get slower broadband, with usage caps (and several hours drive from the nearest apple store)... but hey, you keep your idealized POV.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679498)

But, I can't stand iTunes...even on my Macbook Pro. I'm pretty anal about my file naming, and folder/directory naming. I also have music on my NAS, and it's a pain to access via iTunes...

iTunes will use referenced music just fine.

I can't use newer iDevices without iTunes...

Yes you can. Well, technically you need iTunes right now to activate it (although Apple will do that for you in the store if you'd like), but starting this fall, you can use an iOS device 100% without ever using iTunes.

My android contacts sync to my online contacts since I first got my G1

So did my iPhone, ever since before you got your G1.

and I can manage my files/apps as I see fit

As can I, on my iPhone.

with options from many vendors.

As can I, on my iPhone. The only notable limitation is my apps have to come from Apple's App Store. This isn't something that bothers me, nor does it bother most people. If it bothers you (and a very small group of others), then it's fantastic that Android is an option.

No one is telling you to buy an iPhone, want an iPhone, like iTunes, like the App Store, etc. But you've made a lot of mischaracterizations about iTunes and iOS, as well as seeming to confuse your very valid opinion with the market as a whole.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679648)

How do I get my music from my desktop to a newer iOS device without iTunes?

As to the contact sync, without connecting to the computer?

The fact remains, I don't like iTunes, and interaction with iOS devices is severely hampered without it. I tend to be pretty indifferent regarding my OSes, I happen to like aspects of Windows (7 is my fav), Linux (though Ubuntu since 9.04 has been downward slide imho) and OSX (though recent apple decisions irk me.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

NekSnappa (803141) | more than 3 years ago | (#36680116)

My calendar, and contacts have been synced between different computers, and devices for the last few years via iMac/MobileMe. Never had to hook one up to the other for that.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36680450)

How much did you have to pay for that service?

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36680432)

LOL, you're lucky that Android rolled around, otherwise Big red would have never severed the tether. I mean, all devices basically do a firmware update by having an "update.zip" (signed, etc) or similar in the root folder.

if (CurrentOSVersion() != `wget http://company.com/newest_version.txt`) then
    wget http://company.com/newest_firmware.zip /update.zip
    apply() (from the original code)
fi

There, I just did online firmware updates. I just beat a multibillion dollar company to firmware updates for my imaginary OS. It took FOUR YEARS for them to do it, while every other platform has been able to do so.

Consider yourself lucky that you're going to be able to finally break the tether.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36680534)

Incidentally, how would you suggest getting your music library FAST onto your device without a computer?

I mean, you could upload it at wireless speeds, but that could take quite some time for a large amount of GB -- wifi certainly can't match a 20MB/s transfer rate?

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

GCsoftware (68281) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681020)

I can get close to that on my .11n network.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678920)

My recent experience has been that Apple's App Store is a horrible swamp. It bogs down and my app updates die mid-transfer as often as they arrive. Just loading up the App Store icon takes my iPod Touch into a sloth-like state that it literally can't be shaken out of. It has the feel of a net presence that isn't scaling very well and so just isn't very usable anymore. I'd hate to be a developer dependent on the App Store bottleneck and counting on revenue out of it.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

jbplou (732414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679056)

What generation iPod touch are you using? I have hooked up iPhones, iPads, and Macs without any performance issue.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#36708070)

3G 32G iPod Touch with latest software, I think.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681342)

Well I never have that experience, across multiple iOS devices. So that negates your report and we're back at neutral.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677358)

Google is light years ahead of the vapor-ware known as iCloud . For all we know iCloud will turn out as bad as Mobile Me , I mean .Mac , know I mean iTools.

You forgot CyberDog and eWorld.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36677400)

Seriously? So many articles have mentioned the billion dollar data center that Apple has built in North Carolina -- including four /. posts dating back to 2009 -- that I can hardly believe that anyone would suggest that iCloud has been rushed out.

Please search the web for "apple data center" before posting again.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678256)

"Apple rushed to market a delayed release of a copy of a competitors product".

Fixed that for you.

What is "iCloud" copying? It's a "cloud", but they aren't exactly copying anything here. They've had cloud services for a decade now.

Google is light years ahead of the vapor-ware known as iCloud .

Vaporware? Hardly. It's actually being tested right now. And parts of it are in use right now. "Vaporware" doesn't simply mean "unreleased", it means "more talk than substance", like, "oh, we're *totally* going to make this cool thing, trust us!".

For all we know iCloud will turn out as bad as Mobile Me , I mean .Mac , know I mean iTools .

Yeah, who knows. You can test it right now, though, if you'd like.

Look here comes the fan boys to mod me through the floor.

Don't act like a fanboy yourself then. The only actual, non-fanboy, type remark in your comment is that iCloud has yet to be released, so it's not certain how good it will actually be. The rest is just "I hate Apple, boohoo", like any sort of fanboy remark.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678710)

but they aren't exactly copying anything here

Almost EVERYTHING that iCloud is offering is already in Android and has been for some time.

Vaporware? Hardly

The difference between in test and released are completely two different sides of a coin.
Also they did call it a "cloud" which is water vapor, thus vapor-ware.

don't act like a fanboy yourself then

No really I just get tired of all the fanboys in general.
Apple fans are the worst right now. No matter what Apple markets people will buy it.

Introducing the Apple iTurd, simply the best shit ever.

If you don't have an iTurd you don't have shit

CrapTime with the new iTurd, you cannot shit without it

Doesn't matter people would talk about the great Apple's turds.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

mTor (18585) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679508)

Almost EVERYTHING that iCloud is offering is already in Android and has been for some time.

I don't think you understand what iCloud is. Google does things completely differently and it doesn't have app data backup, device backup etc.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679598)

No , I don't you really understand Google , they have a different philosophy. Just watch the videos on the chromebook.

it doesn't have app data backup, device backup etc

Do you have a clue what you are talking about? Have you even own an android device? None of my important data is actually has a primary storage on the device All my photos,contacts,music, ebooks,voice mail, everything that is important is synced.
I have borrowed iTouch and iPad 2 for some time just to try them out for almost a week. IOS is behind Android end of story, get over it, no really stop it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg [youtube.com]

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681362)

Yeah, and Apple fans are bad. . . . Physician heal thyself!

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679544)

but they aren't exactly copying anything here

  Almost EVERYTHING that iCloud is offering is already in Android and has been for some time.

I asked what they are copying. I'm sure you can make an actual list. "Copying" doesn't simply mean "also doing". Otherwise, Google has been copying Apple for quite some time now. For example, Google is copying iTools, if your criteria for the term is so loose.

Vaporware? Hardly

The difference between in test and released are completely two different sides of a coin.

They certainly are, and neither is on the "vaporware" side. Testing can be, but with Apple, it almost never is. They almost always release things that they've announced. That's not a proper characteristic for something labeled as vaporware.

Also they did call it a "cloud" which is water vapor, thus vapor-ware.

Droll.

don't act like a fanboy yourself then

No really I just get tired of all the fanboys in general.

Apple fans are the worst right now. No matter what Apple markets people will buy it.

That's the fanboy in you talking. No one buys Apple products via force or necessity. They buy them because they *want* them. Calling them fanboys for buying what they want is fucking insane.

Introducing the Apple iTurd, simply the best shit ever.

Fanboyism.

If you don't have an iTurd you don't have shit

Fanboyism.

CrapTime with the new iTurd, you cannot shit without it

Fanboyism.

Doesn't matter people would talk about the great Apple's turds.

Fanboyism.

None of these things are real. They are just silly "ooh, Apple users are so stupid!" fanboy remarks. Look at Ping. It's definitely not "shit", but it's not very compelling. Where are all the fanboys?

This whole, "Steve could shit on a plate and Apple fanboys would line up for it" is idiotic. Pretending like it's a valid argument is *actual* fanboyism.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 3 years ago | (#36681352)

Apple fans are the worst right now?

Hey, thanks for the good laugh early this morning. I love the Apple hating, spittle flying from their mouth Android fans who have lost all common sense and objectivity calling Apple fans bad.

Re:Ya just don't set up large clouds overnight... (1)

smash (1351) | more than 3 years ago | (#36679170)

Best thing about icloud imho is the match service. which google doesn't have.

Nope, I would to it in the morning. (1)

aix tom (902140) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676124)

They can probably "set up clouds" in a few hours. You need connectivity and storage. They probably already have connectivity, and they already sell storage products.

The only thing they needed was to install a few of their off-the-shelf SANs with their off-the-shelf clustering solutions in a few of their already existing data centres.
The MOST work would probably have been to put software interfaces on their devices that talk to that storage. But that's also pretty standard stuff.

Bahawhawhahwhaw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36675918)

I bet Steve Jobs is shaking in his boots!

My advice (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36676048)

I think the company should be sold and the money returned to it's shareholders.

Re:My advice (1)

John Meacham (1112) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677452)

Any shareholders who have the same belief can just sell their shares to the same effect. No need for particular action. They will get a much better deal than they would in a liquidation too.

Re:My advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36679696)

He was quoting Michael Dells famous quote of what he would do with Apple a decade ago.

Beetle analogy (1)

wrencherd (865833) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676054)

From TFA:

Ferrand described his business as a "brand war," where Dell is aspiring to become something like an Audi of the PC world, where the quality of its fit and finish is complemented by a faith in its superior engineering.

Fit and finish are nice on an Audi, but it's still a lot to pay for a VW.

(Disclaimer: I have a 1988 VW Rabbit and I love that old thing.)

Re:Beetle analogy (0)

Altus (1034) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676176)

Whats worse... fit and finish on Dells is pretty lousy.

Re:Beetle analogy (1)

jbplou (732414) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676638)

How back the fact that Audi doesn't make discount crap and Dell tries to compete in that market.

Re:Beetle analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36676658)

Audi TT, most expensive Volkswagen Golf ever. Keep pretending you have a sports car, spoiled kids and middle managers...

Re:Beetle analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36677790)

From TFA:

Ferrand described his business as a "brand war," where Dell is aspiring to become something like an Audi of the PC world, where the quality of its fit and finish is complemented by a faith in its superior engineering.

Fit and finish are nice on an Audi, but it's still a lot to pay for a VW.

That, and at least Audi has the decency to not fill up the trunk and the backseat with useless crap they're getting paid to put there. Imagine buying a new car only to discover that some fucktard had filled it with 10 of every product Billy Mays used to sell, whether you wanted them or not...

Re:Beetle analogy (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36678934)

You meant IBM-Lenovo.

What superior engineering comes from the company that wrote the book on why you don't send work offshore?

Mac versus PCs: Pre-installed software (2)

jinushaun (397145) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676064)

On Macs, iCloud will make sense because it's baked in. On PCs running Windows, anything Dell does will feel like bloatware. Dell is not Apple.

dell??!!???? (0)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676200)

Dell will turn the cloud into a smog bank, full of crap and useless.

And like all Dell software (0)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676284)

It will look like crap, run like crap and take over your entire PC to make windows work like crap.

Re:And like all Dell software (2)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676656)

The one thing Dell did right was to make a deal with Stardock. The Dell Dock is really nice, to the point where I wish I had it despite having paid the $20 for ObjectDock Plus. Dell has had the notoriety of bloatware, but it's come down quite a bit recently. Unless you get a really cheap laptop, you'll get your machine basically shipped with Windows, drivers, Dell Dock, Roxio burning software, PowerDVD, and a McAfee demo...and little else (possibly one or two desktop shortcuts). About the only thing I'd consider to be Dell bloatware anymore is the McAfee trial, but whether it's a good idea to bundle the first two months of virus protection instead of baking a year subscription into the cost (or loading with Avast, AVG, etc.) is a whole different topic entirely. But even in their consumer line, Dell provides mostly-untouched, pre-activated Win7 discs and driver discs in the box.

The real king of bloatware these days is HP, who will ship laptops with 40GB of used space, for a machine whose msconfig list requires a scroll bar out of the box. It takes less time to find an untouched OEM copy of Win7 that takes HP keys on $TORRENT_TRACKER, download it, burn it, and install it, then install the drivers manually, than it does to decrapify the damn things. HP doesn't ship recovery media anymore, they have recovery partitions, that require the end user to burn discs themselves (a process that can take over three hours) that slipstream all the bloatware into the disc. God help you if you actually have to use them, since THAT process can take hours as well. Their printer driver discs require half a gig, and the 'custom' install basically lets you choose whether you get a desktop icon for the registration program or not, instead of actually giving you the choice of leaving half the crap on the disc. Curiously enough, Epson and Canon can fit their drivers into 10MBytes, and even HP themselves can make a 15MB driver stack - IF your printer speaks PCL or PostScript. If not, there's the obligatory msconfig scrub for the three services and five executables that add themselves to startup for a PRINTER. ugh. The sad part is...I generally like their laptops.

Onboard & removable storage cloud (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676466)

Does Dell want a crack at making another Danger Sidekick?

I can see this used as an excuse to go short on the storage on a phone. The problem is that SD cards and large amounts of flash storage won't go down if the cloud goes down, are faster than the network hardware, and are not subject to the data caps that a carrier would put in.

Re:Onboard & removable storage cloud (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676720)

The problem is that SD cards and large amounts of flash storage won't go down if the cloud goes down, are faster than the network hardware, and are not subject to the data caps that a carrier would put in.

It's only a matter of time before a Google or Apple or Dell, or even a Hulu or Netflix, make a deal to exempt their devices access to their servers from bandwidth caps, in exchange for giving the carriers a better cut of the subscriber or service revenue.

"Me too!" (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36676482)

Remember when Dell used to have their own ideas, rather than bouncing around doing the corporate equivalent of "me too!" every 6 months? Yeah, me neither. (ObFullDisclosure: I used to work for Dell as a GTS -> Pro Support agent.)

How long will the data survive on Dell's servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36676610)

The biggest hurdle is convincing customers to trust their data to Dell. After all, who knows how long their corrupt execs will find this foray interesting or profitable enough. As a customer I wouldn't trust them. I'd bet that Dell will kill this off in less than 5 years.

Really? (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677098)

The new release, which began shipping last week, allows users who snap a picture with a Dell Streak or other Dell mobile device to automatically upload it to a pool of free, shared cloud storage.

Wow, Dell, way to innovate.

Seriously, what's the point of this? Dell doesn't make anything that runs custom software--their PCs run Windows, like millions of others, and their phones run Android, like millions of others. So why do I need a Dell device to connect to some random cloud service? At least Apple has the excuse of tying things in at a very low level with the software that they, and only they, make. Plus, being the market leader makes things like this a little more compelling, like how you can find a million cases and accessories for iPhones and iPods but not so much for any random Android phone.

Has Dell even announced how may Streaks they've sold? Have they broken the big 1-0-0 yet? Or will they just give up on this, too, and let it go the way of the their MP3 players? [wikipedia.org]

Anyone remember myphone? (1)

brim4brim (2343300) | more than 3 years ago | (#36677104)

Windows Mobile had this years ago. Ability to upload pictures/contacts etc... Might not have had all the services but bandwidth wasn't available at the time. Then Ms threw everything they had for 10 years out and started again with Phone 7.

Bored. In the afternoon it rained (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36678838)

Normally I would post something pointless about Dell, of all companies, trying to take on anyone, let alone Apple. But then I remembered the pointless "which Linux distro is easier" piece up-list and I remembered that some people are still blubbering about the Year of Linux on the desktop and how this is Slashdot so instead I'm going to shut the computer off, make some popcorn and play with the cat. I just wanted you all to know this.

What does it run on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36679114)

I hope for their sake it doesn't run on Dell servers. I would expect that the availability of their cloud service would be important to any users they may acquire.

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