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Facebook Helps Israel Blacklist Air Travellers

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the but-very-gently dept.

Censorship 478

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "According to a report by the Associated Press, protesters have been stopped in their tracks after Facebook aided Israel in cracking down on the group of activists from the UK, France, and Belgium who planned their event using the popular social networking site. Facebook allowed government agents to track the activists activities and then create a black-list of people who participated in the planning of the protests. The black-listed group was then forwarded to airlines with instructions to prevent the activists from boarding air flights to Israel. Over 200 activists were prevented from flying after being added to the airlines terrorism watch list, according the the AP report. Was Julian Assange correct, when he warned that Facebook was a giant, 'appalling spy machine'?"

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478 comments

Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709864)

Built by a Jew, owned by a Jew. What did you expect?

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709878)

How come this is not modded informative but -1?

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709908)

How come this is not modded informative but -1?

Since the end of WW2, saying negative things about Jews will get you in trouble. Luckily for him the worst punishment here is a downmod.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 years ago | (#36710182)

Because assholes come in many colors and shapes, tying greed and general antisocial behaviour to a group of people (where its members didn't choose to be part of it) is kinda nonsensical.

If I'm an asshole to people, I chose to be that way. I didn't choose the color of my skin or the origin, religion or culture of my parents.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1, Offtopic)

Dunbal (464142) | about 3 years ago | (#36710270)

tying greed and general antisocial behaviour to a group of people (where its members didn't choose to be part of it) is kinda nonsensical.

Show me the non islamic suicide bomber.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (3, Informative)

erroneus (253617) | about 3 years ago | (#36710290)

I can't but the Pacific side of WW2 could have shown you a few.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709906)

Maybe you should look into the work of some Jews like Noam Chomsky, in case you think being a Jew inherently makes you a supporter of Israels policies.

Equating being a Jew with being pro Israel comes off as racist.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709954)

Zionism and the ... [forgot the name of the reasonable pro Israelism stance, tell me]...

Israel is currently the aggressor and this is the status quo.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710056)

Israel is currently being wrongly accused of being the aggressor by a well-oiled propaganda machine and this is the status quo.

Here, fixed that for ya.
I'm not saying Israel is a saint, but do consider the facts before you buy them.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1, Offtopic)

Youssef Adnan (669546) | about 3 years ago | (#36710142)

Your fix should be modded funny.. wrongly! LOL!

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710178)

Is that why the US frequently uses its veto to stop anything in the UN that might have an impact on Israel?

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710184)

Israel is currently being wrongly accused of being the aggressor by a well-oiled propaganda machine and this is the status quo. I'm not saying Israel is a saint, but do consider the facts before you buy them.

Present the facts to me, then, you well-oiled propaganda machine.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710190)

Israel is currently being wrongly accused of being the aggressor by a well-oiled propaganda machine and this is the status quo.

Here, fixed that for ya.
I'm not saying Israel is a saint, but do consider the facts before you buy them.

Uhuh. Riiiiight. Where have you been living the past, say, 60 years? In a conflict this long every party has played both the aggressor and victim role many times over.

I'm not denying the existence of propaganda machines - on both sides - but your 'wrongly accused' is outrageously out of line Sir!

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (3, Insightful)

endymion.nz (1093595) | about 3 years ago | (#36710300)

So, because the situation is now hopelessly fscked up and it's almost impossible to establish cause and effect for all the minor incidents that occur, we should all forget that Palestine was invaded, occupied and settled?

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#36710086)

Unfortunately the likely to be pro-Israel raises if you are a Jew and decreases if you are a Muslim.

But being a Jew doesn't mean that you necessarily agrees with everything that happens in Israel.

In other words - which other sites can you suffer this on? I suspect that if the FBI comes in they can get a list of whatever they want as soon as they whisper "Terrorism" and "Patriot Act" - even if they are acting outside the US territory because a company owner providing a service in another company certainly doesn't want to end up on the terrorist list - which he/she will do if cooperation isn't provided.

The Patriot Act and several other items in control by the US government is working well outside the borders of the US.

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (0, Offtopic)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#36710114)

Parent modded "Troll", but I would say that I'm not surprised since it would in the world of today in the US be classified as racism.

The fear of "Racism" has in my opinion gone too far in some cases - but at the same time the US government still classifies people as being of different classes like Caucasian, Hispanic, Black etc...

So it's forbidden to joke about black people frequenting KFC but it's OK to have a government label on people classifying them???

Re:Facebook - Owned By A Jew. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710214)

Culturally oblivious ^

Its been done before (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709874)

Facebook is in routine use by various "authorities " to profile people. So why not the Israelis?

And in other news. Bears shit in woods.

Re:Its been done before (4, Insightful)

cgeys (2240696) | about 3 years ago | (#36709912)

It's double-standard really. Not just from Facebook, but every other US company from Microsoft to Google too.. When it's against United States/Israel it's "terrorism", when it's against China, Russia or other non-western countries it's "helping activists to spread their message and bring down oppressive governments". Most Americans seem to think the same way, but for others like me who are european both sides seem like oppressive governments with huge amount of problems and most interest mostly being fighting or having wars with each other (yes, Europe too has its history and we're certainly learned from that.. well, the nordic countries at least. And we were originally vikings)

Re:Its been done before (1, Insightful)

migla (1099771) | about 3 years ago | (#36709968)

Europe too has its history and we're certainly learned from that.. well, the nordic countries at least. And we were originally vikings

We're in Afghanistan, fighting side by side with the bigger "liberators" and when our young die there, headlines proclaim "HEROES".

We are buying in to the terrorism scare and we are latching onto one side of the sides that one must be for or against, inviting zealots to blow shit up here too.

Whatever we may have learned, we are forgetting.

Re:Its been done before (4, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710064)

I'll admit - I have two standards. I've become more aware of it in recent times. Some rogue nation does "x" against it's citizens, and I judge it as terrible. Then the US does something similar, and I judge it as a PITA.

In this case, I see Israel doing something that I would condemn the US for, but I don't condemn Israel as harshly.

Hmmm. Why is that? I'm not a Zionist. Could be, my military background. If Israel is to survive, then they had better use everything at their disposal, and use it efficiently. On the other hand, the US isn't fighting for it's very survival, so the same actions would be less forgiveable, I guess.

Yeah, I have double standards. Unfortunately, a lot of people deny having their own double standards. And, least of all, can they be expected to understand those double standards.

In reality, we've all admitted that "there's no privacy on the internet". All governments are busy data mining Facebook, and all the rest of the web. This should have been expected. Just like we've discovered that electronically aiding protestors in Arabic countries can, in some instances, expose those protestors to the government. It's to be expected. That doesn't make it right - just expected.

Re:Its been done before (0)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#36710138)

I would say that if Israel is going to survive in the long run they need to get their act together and not be a general pain in the butt for all their neighbors. Especially now since the US has an economic situation that's not very promising. What if the economic aid that the US provides Israel disappears?

Re:Its been done before (4, Insightful)

rvw (755107) | about 3 years ago | (#36710218)

I would say that if Israel is going to survive in the long run they need to get their act together and not be a general pain in the butt for all their neighbors. Especially now since the US has an economic situation that's not very promising. What if the economic aid that the US provides Israel disappears?

If Israel wants to survive.... I hope they are going to realize that this is not the way to get there. They have stopped 200 activists this one time. Yay!!! Great for them. Do you think these protesters are going to use Facebook again? Will it stop the next group? And do you want to stop those groups?

Israel has one big problem, and that is not Palestine or Hamas. It is their mindset that they still don't realise that they need to give some space to the Palestinians. And the more they restrict them, the more resistance they will face. Actions like this show that they don't have a real vision where they want to go in the future, if they really want to have a future there.

Do a few protesters threaten its survival? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710144)

Or do they just threaten Israel's own propaganda?

Re:Its been done before (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 years ago | (#36710198)

So, essentially, you're saying that the people fighting the US in Afghanistan with desperate means like suicide bombers are doing what's justified to fight for the survival of their way of life?

Re:Its been done before (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710236)

Well, yes, kind of. The Afghans, the Pakis, and the Taliban should be permitted to live in the tenth century, if they so wish. They should be permitted to keep their women barefoot and pregnant, and serving the men. That's all well and good.

The problem in Afghanistan is, those inbred tribals gave refuge to Al Queda after AQ had attacked the United States.

Today, we've killed off much of AQ, we've killed off a lot of the Taliban, it's time to come home. Past time. Let those inbreds live their lives as they see fit, and let's get the hell out of their lives.

Re:Its been done before (4, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | about 3 years ago | (#36710320)

No those inbred tribals gave refuge to Al queda after the CIA helped form Al queda to drive out the Soviets, and then left them there. If we spent a little time and money there rebuilding, and teaching them 30 years ago, then Al Queda wouldn't have turned against us(or wouldn't have had as much local support as they did)

If you want to bring peace to someone. You have to be prepared to spend 50 years there. We have to stay in Afgahnistan and iraq for another 40 years. Or they will fall into absolute chaos for 10 years.

Only stupid wankers are surprised (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709876)

Failbook _is_ Israel, failbook _is_ U.S. of fucking A. Do you not get it?? It is a private company after paycheck but it is also the world's most powerful spy machine at the moment as the servers are locate in the united fucking states within reach of the corrupt theo-corporacary U.S of fucking A. Do you not fucking still get it??!

Facebook is a public forumn (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709882)

Most groups in Facebook are public by default. They are also public to those who belong to the group. So they didn't have to do any super-spy type thing. It's the users of the group who left themselves out in the open.

Oh, big wow. (5, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 3 years ago | (#36709888)

At least they didn't just let the protesters get there and gun them down. This is surprisingly restrained behaviour from the Israeli government.

Re:Oh, big wow. (2, Interesting)

sosume (680416) | about 3 years ago | (#36710016)

Seems to me like the Israelis have every right to decide who enters their country.

Re:Oh, big wow. (2, Insightful)

bjourne (1034822) | about 3 years ago | (#36710100)

Except for the parts that isn't "theirs" but stolen in wars of conquest. And not all Israelis are idiots, many of them welcome the international protests.

Re:Oh, big wow. (4, Insightful)

jacobsm (661831) | about 3 years ago | (#36710208)

Then by your logic the Americans should get out of the parts of the country that were won by conquests, which is most of the country including the original 13 colonies.

I'm not even going to start on the European countries, or the precious Arabs.

Get over it. Israel won it's wars fair and square. If the Arabs won a single war do you think for a minute that there wouldn't have been a holocaust that would make the Nazi's look like amateurs?

Re:Oh, big wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710264)

Get over it. Israel won it's wars fair and square.

Which is why every country in the world also recognizes those victories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories [wikipedia.org]
Or is that another conspiracy against the jews?

Re:Oh, big wow. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710312)

Then by your logic Hitler killed all those Jews fair and square. After all they should have fought when the SS first started coming for them instead of being led away like sheep. It certainly shouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that a very likely outcome of their imprisonment was death.

Re:Oh, big wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710316)

If the Arabs won a single war do you think for a minute that there wouldn't have been a holocaust that would make the Nazi's look like amateurs?

Yes. The Nazis had an industrial and engineering expertise that was the best in the World back then. The Arab nations on the other hand, have nothing. Their people's have been oppressed by their Governments for decades - no thanks to the West and especially to us the US. At most, the Arabs would go in take away Israel's land (Good luck with all those top of the line American made weapons that Israel has!) and put them in refugee camps - which wouldn't happen because the Jewish lobby here in the US would immediately get the entire Israeli nation asylum in Florida and New York.

Get over it. Israel won it's wars fair and square.

I like that attitude! I'm for invading Canada myself to take their oil, forests, fresh water, and their marijuana as well as their land!

Mexico next! Texas wasn't enough! We need more and besides, taking Mexico would eliminate all of this immigration horseshit!

Re:Oh, big wow. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710212)

Most countries are made up of parts stolen in wars of conquest. Your point is?

Re:Oh, big wow. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710234)

"War of conquest" Are you f***** kidding me? The land in question was obtained when Israel was attacked by their _neighbor's_ was of conquest. Really, there may be things one could protest about Israel (or any other country) but making stuff up doesn't help your cause at all. Learn some real history, not whatever crap was spouted out at your compound, before you start complaining about stuff you don't really understand.

Re:Oh, big wow. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710258)

The country was created and given to them by a UN resolution. Also you neglect to mention that the parts that were "stolen" in wars of conquest, was actually stolen from the "conquestadors"(Jordan, Egypt, Syria). If they hadn't started a war of conquest against Israel, their land would not have been stolen. Unfortunately for them, due to their lame military which could not beat Israel even when they outnumbered, outgunned out surrounded her, they did not gain any territory, but instead lost it. Whining about how the person who's wallet you were intending to steal, instead beat you up, and took your wallet is pretty low.

(It should perhaps be pointed out that all countries having agreed to a peace treaty have gotten their land back).

Re:Oh, big wow. (-1, Troll)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710074)

Hell, I've been calling for the Israeli navy to just torpedo all the flotillas. I think they should have allowed all these nutcases to land, take them into custody, then shot them down while "trying to escape". Fucking buttheads who think they can challenge an armed authority without any weapons of their own should be removed from the gene pool.

Re:Oh, big wow. (1)

ponchietto (718083) | about 3 years ago | (#36710164)

Gandhi.

Re:Oh, big wow. (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710196)

‘‘Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’

— Mahatma Ghandi,

Ghandi was not the man that so many of you think he is. Not only did he want, and require, weapons - he was also a racist sumbeach. But, you go on and admire him for all it's worth.

Re:Oh, big wow. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 years ago | (#36710204)

Somehow, I'm glad George Washington and his buddies didn't subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Oh, big wow. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710248)

Huh? What? You're saying that George and associates had no weapons? Actually, I think George was rather poorly armed, in comparison with the Brits. But, he was indeed armed, and he made pretty good use of those arms. George and company did NOT stage peaceful sit-ins at the British forts after declaring independence.

Re:Oh, big wow. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710304)

I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, goo.gl/GDHYI

Re:Oh, big wow. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710318)

At least they didn't just let the protesters get there and gun them down. This is surprisingly restrained behaviour from the Israeli government.

You mean like an Arab government?

"Facebook aided"? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709890)

There's a difference between facebook actively aiding Israel officials, and those officials viewing the members of a facebook group. Maybe not planning activities in a publicly-viewable setting would have helped these people?

Police, officials, whatever, viewing publicly-accessible information posted on social media sites is a Good Thing, occasionally. If you don't _want_ it viewed, don't post it publicly [and please note, I don't mean, don't post it online. Some medium of privacy should be expected, and the summary and my [brief] skim of TFA didn't say this was privacy violation in any way].

Not surprising (5, Interesting)

NSN A392-99-964-5927 (1559367) | about 3 years ago | (#36709892)

Anything to do with Facebook, Israel and super hidden government agents is going to be bad. For those who have not watched Pilger's film The War you Don't see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ah20IAyYxg [youtube.com]

I know Julian and he is also quite right about facebook being an appalling spying machine. I loathe facebook with a passion, but there again I am a non-conformist, facebook is the sheep following sheep society and if that is not enough, people get emotionally blackmailed into using it. You do not need facebook, you need a life!

Re:Not surprising (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709918)

Yawn.

Re:Not surprising (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709928)

I know Julian

Tell him he's a slimy rapist for me. Thanks.

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710002)

+1 internets for you!

Re:Not surprising (1)

NSN A392-99-964-5927 (1559367) | about 3 years ago | (#36710130)

No problem =)

Re:Not surprising (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710282)

You do not need facebook, you need a life!

I suppose we need to get off your lawn while we're at it.

Seriously dude, last decade it was "You don't need Myspace, you need a life" before that it was "You don't need email, you need a life" and before that it was "You don't need the internet, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need AOL, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need video games, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need TV, you need a life" and before that it was "You don't need a radio, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need telegraph, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need the post office, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need books, you need a life" and before that it was "you don't need the theater, you need a life" and before that it was...

We get it. You don't like it, and so you tell everybody who does use it that they "need a life". Here's an idea, how about instead of Trolling the forums, you go out and follow your own advice for a change?

Nothing new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709896)

How does this differ from what the US has done since 2001? Placing people on a no-fly list for associating with groups/causes that the state deems "terror-y"? The only thing that you might be seen as new here is Facebook, but if you don't believe they'd give the US government lists of people who joined a group supporting "terrorism", I've got a bridge to sell you.

Re:Nothing new? (1)

Linzer (753270) | about 3 years ago | (#36710244)

Placing people on a no-fly list for associating with groups/causes that the state deems "terror-y"?

I think the proper term is terrorish. At least that's what my grandpa says, and he's over 90.

Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directly. (5, Insightful)

Kifoth (980005) | about 3 years ago | (#36709898)

The closest it comes to describing what happened is: Israel had tracked the activists on social media sites, compiled a blacklist of more than 300 names and asked airlines to keep those on the list off flights to Israel. and "These people announced on their Internet sites that they planned to come here and cause

disruptions, and told their friends."

Sounds like they bragged in public, using their own names. And nothing more.

It's shit like this, Slashdot...

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (2, Insightful)

magusxxx (751600) | about 3 years ago | (#36709938)

"These people announced on their Internet sites that they planned to come here and cause disruptions, and told their friends."

Sounds like they bragged in public, using their own names. And nothing more.

What's the difference between this and what happened during the 1960's when people wanted to see Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak and were turned away?

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (4, Insightful)

Kifoth (980005) | about 3 years ago | (#36709978)

My point wasn't regarding the politics. It was that Slashdot blatantly distorted the article to manufacture a sensationalist headline.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710268)

You must be new here, welcome to slashdot! And yes, I do see your uid.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709986)

Well, for one, the US were a free country back then. Israel is maybe half of that-- assuming the press here (Netherlands) gives an accurate picture, anyway.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709996)

No, it isn't.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710024)

And no, it doesn't.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (1)

rvw (755107) | about 3 years ago | (#36710232)

And no it wasn't. (Think about why MLK needed to speak there?!)

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (-1, Flamebait)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710098)

Martin Luther King isn't speaking in Jerusalem? And, now that I think about it, neither is Jesus Christ, Mahatma Ghandi, or even Nat King Cole. I'm not sure about Elvis, though.

The difference: 50 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710110)

I would hope that we have made some progress in 50 years. If something that happens today is wrong, why does it matter if something similar happened 50 years ago?

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710314)

What's the difference between this and what happened during the 1960's when people wanted to see Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak and were turned away?

Well, other than the two being completely different and totally unrelated situations, the primary difference is that Dr. MLK, Jr. was not in a foreign country giving his speech in an area which was under an Embargo and a Naval blockade.

some clarity... (2)

RL78 (1968236) | about 3 years ago | (#36710174)

I don't think /. or the article mean to imply anything other than what you took it to mean. The headline of the story

Facebook help Israel Blacklist Air Travelers

simply means that Facebook, the service helped Israel compile this blacklist, the same way the activists used it to coordinated their efforts. The context of how Facebook is used isn't clear from the headline, which actually makes it a good headline because people will read it. Hopefully they will understand once they do, that they were referring to the service, and not the company when they say Facebook.

Re:Doesn't say that Facebook helped Israel directl (2)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 3 years ago | (#36710272)

I didn't get the impression that Facebook had done anything proactively, as you appear to have. Granted, not the clearest summary I have ever seen, but by /. standards, this is pretty clear.

Did you even read the article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709904)

"Facebook aided Israel" - you mean, people in the Israeli government also have Facebook profiles (GASP!) and used them to look at the group descriptions and members of groups organizing the protests? You know, if you shout out loud to the world to try to get support, it isn't that surprising that people opposing you will also hear you. Besides, how should Facebook have disallowed it?

If there was any mention of Facebook allowing access to, say, a private group, that would be a serious issue, but I don't see any such claims, and I doubt that there would be no such claims if that is in fact what happened.

Besides, I see no mention of any "terrorism watch list" in the article - it's actually common practice for an airline not to let you board a flight to a country where they know you will be denied entry - try flying to the US without a visa.

Israel handled this debacle badly enough that there's enough material to rip on them without distorting the truth, so why not stick to that?

Rogue state (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709924)

They SHOT and KILLED 8 protestors on a boat in international waters, they even shot protestors across the border in Syria recently, so I think these protestors stopped at the airport got off lightly.

Really, it's just a murderous state, USA should NOT be paying it $2.5 billion a year to them, the CIA should be blocking all those donations from Israeli linked companies to US politicians, and USA should be extracting itself from links to that regime.

It doesn't need the bases there anymore, it can't afford to subsidise them when it can't pay its bills at home, and the way they funnel money into the US political machine is against the law too. Yet nothing is done about it, the money flows into politics, so the politicians turn a blind eye to what Israel does and just keeps sending them the check each year.

No questions asked too, unlike other countries the money isn't traceable. It magically disappears into Israels military machine, and Israeli linked USA companies magically have a lot of money to spend in political donations.

Re:Rogue state (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710054)

Gaza flotilla - first, it was 9, second, it was largely justified
(http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/us-israel-turkey-flotilla-idUSTRE76666820110707)

Syria - the protesters were shot *after* crossing a cease-fire line, while already on Israeli soil.
In particular, only after warning shouting warnings, warning shots, and masses of non-lethal tear gas.
The fence referred to in the article is the one on the Israeli side (obviously, there are two fences on each
border - one for each country)
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13660311)

About the money - nobody's paying anyone. The money remains in the States, eventually.
Also, might be irritating, but where do those 2.5 B$ come from? Wealthy Jews who are paying taxes,
maybe? Shouldn't it be their right to decide what to do with this money ?

Also, 2.5 B$ seems like a good price to pay for technology and field experience developed by
Israel when fighting Hamas and Hezbollah, probably saving the lives of thousands of soldiers in Iraq
and Afghanistan.

------

Two last points to think about -
(1) Jews are the World's largest punch-bag for the last two thousand years. First it was killing Jesus, then killing children
to make food (?!), then simply being too wealthy, then causing the great depression, and now stealing the land of Palestinians
(which did not exist as a separate entity from the Arab world before 1967, see wikipedia).

I wonder if in 200 years this story with the Palestinians would sound as ridiculous as the christian-children-for-matzos sounds today.

(2) I wonder why nobody seems to fly to Syria to protest the ongoing ethnic cleansing (Alawis against the rest) or the lack of democratic elections. Or for that matter to Iran (where homosexuality, how wonderful, does not exist) or Saudi Arabia (where women are not allowed to drive).

It's so close. The prices are probably very similar. ... Maybe because the state that everyone hates so much allows protests against its own existence by some of its own citizens.
Mind you, without risking getting shot* and raped, possibly in this order.

* - No, does not apply to Gaza Flotilla Raid. Read second paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid.

Re:Rogue state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710080)

first, it was 9

Funny you note the American who was also killed, I've always found it rather amusing that Americans often end up paying foreigners (in this case Israelis) to kill them later.

Re:Rogue state (4, Insightful)

j35ter (895427) | about 3 years ago | (#36710096)

Yeah, and this gives them the right to steal land, drive people out of their homes, assassinate activists around the world, secretly stash nukes, turn racism into law... ? Get real: Israel is a military/religious dictatorship with overly racist overtones; exactly the opposite of what the U.S. stands for.

Re:Rogue state (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710116)

No, it isn't.

Have you been to Israel, at all?
Have you been to Tel Aviv? Not to brag, it reminds New York City a lot.
Except there's not so much touristy spots.

It's just a country full of people who are much more concerned with their
jobs and the new hot neighbor than you let yourself believe.

Re:Rogue state (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#36710168)

You mix up the official standpoint of the US and the standpoint by action.

Look at all the action the US takes these days (actually since the beginning of the Reagan administration) and you see that the gun is what the US lives by in foreign politics, and "freedom" is a freedom from everyone not thinking "The American Way".

Being an European citizen I remember thinking when Reagan entered office "Oh Shit - WW III is coming.". If the USSR hadn't bent over we may well have had that...

Re:Rogue state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710180)

One by one:

1. Steal land.
Which land exactly ?
The whole land of Israel and the disputed territories was a part of a kingdoms of Israel and Judea, then part of the Roman Empire, then the Turkish people, then British mandate, and eventually there was the 1948 division plan, which was roughly the same as so called '67 borders, only a little better for the Arabs.
The Arabs refused any offer by the state of Israel, and ended up attacking the newly formed state, losing, and losing more land. They kept doing it a few more times and losing more land as a result of their violence and stubbornness. The moment Egypt agreed to sign a peace agreement, they got all the land they wanted back.

2. Drive people from home.
Some Arabs ran away from their homes after the state of Israel was founded, assuming that Israel would do to them what they were used to doing to the Jews. The rest of them got full citizenship and have much more civil rights than citizens of any other Arab country.

3. Assassinate activists around the world - care to explain ? If you mean terrorists and murderers - sure, but do name one assassination of a peaceful 'activist'.

4. Secretly stash nukes - said who ? So far the only state in the area secretly developing nuclear weapon is Iran.

Get real: Israel is the only (somewhat) democracy in the region which has no other choice but be militaristic to survive, quite like US.

Re:Rogue state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710060)

Expect a violent knock on your door. You've designated yourself for the action of the imperialist state machine. You will be totally fucked up. You WILL NOT OPPOSE the Israeli-Unites States havoc world domination machine!

Re:Rogue state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710078)

The "Protestors" on the first flotilla physically attacked soldiers who were implementing a legal blockade. Yes, it's even legal to board ships in international waters. Running (bypassing) a blockade is an act of war. The other "Protestors" stormed the border from Syria, which is in a legal state of war with Israel, and accidentally set off land mines, even after being warned away in Arabic.

You can stop helping Israel after you stop funding the Muslim world with Trillions of dollars (that's Trillions with a T) in unearned oil income. The few billion that goes to Israel is just a rounding error in the comparison, and most of it comes back to the US as purchases.

Re:Rogue state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710082)

They SHOT and KILLED 8 people on a boat just before it entered Israel's territorial water. Those people claiming to be bringing peaceful supplies to Gaza refused to have the supplies inspected by Israel, and offered active violent resistance to Israel's search party - not a typical behavior to peaceful protestors.

"Protests" on the border on Syria were organized by Syrian government in an attempt to pull world's attention away from its own war crimes. Israeli soldiers shot the protesters which crossed the borders, and only in the legs. All those killed were by snipers from Syrian side.

Re:Rogue state (-1, Troll)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710104)

No, stupid, 8 instigators on a boat provoked the IDF into firing on them. That one single boat experience violence. All the other boats were forcibly detained, with no injuries, whatsoever. That ONE boat had a cadre that was determined to instigate violence, apparently hoping that the violence would spread out of control.

But, whatever - keep posting your inane spin on things. Just remember, peaceful protestors don't carry pieces of pipe or wooden clubs.

Re:Rogue state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710274)

>in international waters
Does Runaway1956 have a glib answer for that?

Another misleading story on Slashdot... (1, Funny)

GP1911 (1439907) | about 3 years ago | (#36709940)

The community moderation system here is a failure.

Re:Another misleading story on Slashdot... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710092)

+1 common sense

How come shitty summaries like the above keep surfacing over and over? I mean, the tone of said summary suggests that facebook had an active role in providing Israeli gov with info on 'subversive' persons. The article only mentions the use of public available information... talk about misleading :(

Or is it just another 'feed the trolls' type of article? You know what mostly pisses me off? The fact that I wasted my time reading an article that I could have read anywhere on the net. And which I already had fwiw.

The summary deserves at least a -2 Troll Feeder or -5 Non Story.

Guilty until proven innocent (2)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | about 3 years ago | (#36709976)

So anyone could setup a fake profile with someone else's name, join one of these groups and then that person goes on the terrorism watch list? Sounds fair to me.

Dumb fucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36709984)

"Mark Zuckerberg called his first few thousand users "dumb fucks" for trusting him with their data,"

Turning the tables with lawfare (3, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 3 years ago | (#36710006)

Is a bunch of young Israeli lawyers working round the clock sustained only by Diet Coke, falafel and cigarettes about to pull off the legal equivalent of the Six-Day War? [melaniephillips.com] A really good link which you should read. Here is another. [informatio...nation.net]

The Israelis have learned from the last flotilla, and hacked international law to serve their ends. The law firm Shurat HaDin [israellawcenter.org] (motto: "Bankrupting Terrorism - One Lawsuit at a Time") has done a bang-up job worthy of admiration, even if you're one of those people who thinks (like Hamas, the recipient of the aid flotilla) that Israel has no right to exist. I really recommend reading the link above, it does a great job of laying out what exactly has been done. They wrote letters to the insurers of the boat, warning them that under international law they would be legally liable for the consequences of helping Hamas. They informed INMARSAT that continuing their service exposed the company to liability. And, most hilariously, the legendary Greek bureaucracy has helped tremendously. Once a complaint is filed and an investigation started, the Greeks aren't exactly known for efficiency. American government is a model of speed compared to this.

Some more interesting facts: there is no pressing need for the aid flotilla. The last convoy actually succeeded in making the Israelis open up land borders and things are super in Gaza now. If the goal was to actually deliver aid, then the flotilla could dock in Egypt and have the goods delivered overland [jpost.com] , permission has already been granted. Of course, this offer was refused because that's not the goal of the flotilla. It exists only to remove Israel's legitimacy as an entity (in other words, the same goal as Hamas). Yeah, yeah, right, you don't believe me. OK, how about what Adam Shapiro, co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement and a board member of the Free Gaza Movement said at a speech at Rutgers (to enormous applause, by the way)

Free Gaza is but one tactic of a larger strategy, to transform this conflict from one between Israel and the Palestinians, or Israel and the Arab world...to one between the rest of the world and Israel.

Nobody in the Free Gaza movement gives a shit about being a delivery boy for rice and cooking oil. Journalists should really listen when organizations state their goals in public, but who gives a shit when the facts don't fit the narrative. [justjournalism.com]

Wikileaks says otherwise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710038)

The Wikileaks on Israel say otherwise. Specifically the leak saying that Israel intended to keep Gaza near collapse. They could have docked in Egypt, but the shipment would then have gone through Israel border controls which is where goods would be held back.

Money of course is another problem, with Israel spending money in palestinian bank accounts being the latest shocking revelation that nobody will act upon.

Re:Wikileaks says otherwise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710068)

The Wikileaks on Israel say otherwise. Specifically the leak saying that Israel intended to keep Gaza near collapse.

Wikileaks is as reliable as people claiming no man has landed on the moon. You don't seriously believe they put a man on the moon, do you?
See http://xkcd.com/258/

They could have docked in Egypt, but the shipment would then have gone through Israel border controls which is where goods would be held back.

That is a completely lie. Egypt has a border with Gaza.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip_(2007-present).

Money of course is another problem, with Israel spending money in palestinian bank accounts being the latest shocking revelation that nobody will act upon.

No, they don't. Your mother does, sorry for the language. Now you go and prove she doesn't.

Re:Wikileaks says otherwise (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#36710192)

However - who controls the border to Gaza - even to Egypt?

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Greece actions in the matter was controlled by a decent bribe - the corruption in Greece isn't unheard of.

Re:Wikileaks says otherwise (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 3 years ago | (#36710134)

What goods, exactly, are held back at the Israeli check points? Be specific. Food? No. Medicine? No. Water? No. Luxury goods? Some. Munitions? You bet your ass! Materials from which munitions might be manufactured? A lot.

Maybe - JUST maybe - if the people in Gaza decided that they would start hanging Palestinians who attempted to build rockets, Israel might be forced to come to reasonable terms with the Palestinians.

Hey, I resent the "settlers", for starters. But, as long as Palestinians want to fire rockets into Israel, I tend to shrug off the problem with the settlers.

As I've always said - there are no "good guys" in this mess.

Re:Turning the tables with lawfare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710094)

They wrote letters to the insurers of the boat, warning them that under international law they would be legally liable for the consequences of helping Hamas.

Nice boat you have there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.

Oh, and that lawyer website you put there? They say they helped steal money from Fatah, which is a legitimate party whether you like it or not. They also say they fight against the Palestinian Authority, so I find it interesting how you can pretend the Palestinians are evil for not accepting Israel while you promote people from the other side who do not accept the existence of Palestine. Hypocrite.

Seriously? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | about 3 years ago | (#36710036)

They deserve it. When you post information on the facebook, don't complain when someone reads it.

Not a new problem ... (1)

MacTO (1161105) | about 3 years ago | (#36710044)

Of course, governments have been trying to deny people the opportunity to protest for generations. Sometimes their concerns are legitimate (e.g. riots due to the mob mentality), and sometimes they are not (since some protests are genuinely peaceful).

Even with the Facebook angle, I'm fairly certain that the situation is not unique. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister of Canada) was barring activists from the opposition due to statements on Facebook months prior to this Israel thing. And if Harper's Conservatives did it, it has probably been done by other people a million times before. There isn't a creative bone in the party's collective body.

Incidentally, I am neutral on Israel barring access to their country based upon Facebook shenanigans. I am opposed to people being placed on terrorism watch lists. The former is simply an expression of national sovereignty, even if I think it's foolish. The latter is an assumption of intent that may have far reaching impacts upon innocent lives.

Terrorism wha list? (5, Informative)

radio4fan (304271) | about 3 years ago | (#36710048)

Where does it say in the article that they were added to the 'terrorism watch list'?

In fact the Israelis told the airlines that the people on the list would not be allowed to enter Israel, so the airlines prevented them from flying.

There's no mention of terrorism: the submitter made that bit up.

Wrong title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710102)

Summary article title should read "Israel, like all other countries, uses facebook to track what it deems as 'undesirables' "

I'm shocked! that's almost like China sabotaging protests about Tibet...It's always political. Arab media does not talk much about the horrible Chinese occupation of Tibet. Mostly because they depend on China for a lot of trade.

If you want to start pointing the finger, just watch how arab states historically treated their own protestors & lately how their governements too used facebook to track protesters.

Or maybe we should just assume this article was really meant to inform us of important events and has no ulterior motive...doubtful.

TFA has little to do with the summary offered here on slashdot. The summary is really an attempt to "expose" Israel but I think the moral of this should be very different and more like the following:

Sign up to facebook and join the 'revolution', it's easy and you can make everyone's life so much easier to know who you really are. You'll be happy to know that you could be identified by your friends happily tagging your picture without requireing you to fill in some data or possibly even be on the site.

make the list _the_ protest. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36710108)

it's pretty easy if they'd(these protesters) organize just a little bit to make that black list ridiculously big and include too many names that have nothing to do with anything. Israels policies are borderline ridiculous, everyone knows that, hence who the fuck wants to even go there? it's not a good protest to go there and dump money on them by staying over, you would think if more governments were up to scratch they'd recommend for tourists staying the fuck out of Israel and neighboring countries - every year it's the same shit, people oppressing some other people and 100km away it's the other way around and another 100km and it's some other branch of some other religion doing just the same - how the fuck can they receive tourists with an open heart when they can't even bicycle 100km from where they live in peace? so now they could organize those groups to include vast amounts of people and instructing people to copy paste the same threats to the isreali about protesting against them, that way you can make the list hit airlines and the list itself becomes a far larger movement than their pesky little planned excursion to israel(which by the way, wouldn't have mattered at all, they got protests going all year round).

Some Clarity... (2, Informative)

RL78 (1968236) | about 3 years ago | (#36710112)

This story isn't about Facebook, as a company helping Israel blacklist these activists. This is a story about how Facebook's service was used as a tool to compile this blacklist. Slashdot, nor the linked article mean to imply that FB, the company actively provided any assistance other than what the service already provides, to everyone. When it's said the Facebook aided Israel in spying on the activist, the correct context again is that Israel used Facebook's services which aided in monitoring these individuals, in the same way FB aided the activists in coordinating their efforts.

Re:Some Clarity... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36710166)

in itself it's actually a story of how easy it is to waste isrealis budget(and mental health, stasi officers don't enjoy good mental health for long).

Misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36710310)

Yes, there is nothing in the article to say that Facebook supplied personal details to Israel.

Umm, duh? (3, Interesting)

Tridus (79566) | about 3 years ago | (#36710162)

You mean if you plan things in a publically accessable area on the Internet, other people might read it and plan accordingly?

Are these people really stupid enough to think this would somehow work? I guess for their next act they'll discuss plans to eat & dash at a restraurant by yelling the plans to each other right outside the restraurant front door?

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