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Apollo 11 Flag Swatch Goes Unsold At L.A. Auction

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the now-how-much-would-you-pay dept.

Moon 120

According to an Associated Press report, a "strip of fabric shorn from the flag planted on the moon by the Apollo 11 astronauts pulled in a top bid of $60000 at a Los Angeles auction, but didn't meet a minimum price so it won't be sold." Another $35,000 would have nabbed it, but — caveat emptor — the strip of fabric under discussion is one that never went to the moon itself, but rather was snipped off before the rest of the flag was stuffed into a tube for the mission.

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well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717472)

that *is* a lot of money for a scrap of cloth.

Re:well... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717574)

next up an off-cut of rubber from when the surrounds of one of the dials of the Challenger was made...$80,000!

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718634)

Following that, Ron Jeremy's foreskin.

Re:well... (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719028)

The (reputed) foreskin of Jesus was once considered priceless. It was, after all, the only piece of His body left on earth.

Neil Armstrong autographed photo plus scrap (3, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717684)

well that *is* a lot of money for a scrap of cloth.

Actually you get a little more than the scrap of cloth.

"Moser said he had Neil Armstrong sign a photo of the flag planted on the moon when the astronaut returned to Earth and he kept the picture and his rescued scrap of flag together in his NASA office until he retired in 1990. But after hanging onto the photo and flag-swatch assemblage all these years, he finally decided to put them up to auction.."
http://news.yahoo.com/swatch-moon-bound-flag-unsold-la-auction-032542272.html [yahoo.com]

Re:Neil Armstrong autographed photo plus scrap (0)

lul_wat (1623489) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717898)

Sounds to me like he stole the cloth from his employer. Trash or not, it wasn't his property.

Re:Neil Armstrong autographed photo plus scrap (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717996)

When a guy risks his life to go to the moon, I think the least we can do is let him have a bit off cloth. Now, if he had took a bit of the Turin Shroud (to the moon). We are upping the level of "a bit of cloth" and I think we need to have words with him.

Re:Neil Armstrong autographed photo plus scrap (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719420)

Someone should file a complaint with Titusville P.D. Since he stole from NASA, that's the same as stealing from America and all Americans. 30 years in gitmo ought to do the trick.

Re:Neil Armstrong autographed photo plus scrap (1)

careysub (976506) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719804)

Sounds to me like he stole the cloth from his employer. Trash or not, it wasn't his property.

If I throw something in a waste receptacle deliberately, with the intention of getting rid of it permanently with no expectation of any return from its disposal (quite the opposite - I'm paying someone to take it off my hands), when do I voluntarily relinquish rights of ownership? Clearly the contents of a landfill are not the separate private property of all the people who ever threw something away that ended up there.

I am not a lawyer (perhaps one will chime in) but i strongly suspect that there is law regarding the separation in ownership of materials intentionally thrown away. The police for example do not need any sort of warrant to search through your trash put out for disposal - which indicates you no longer own it.

Who cares? (5, Insightful)

utkonos (2104836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717478)

If it didn't go to the moon, who cares that it even went to auction?

Re:Who cares? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717508)

It seems this swatch of fabric hasn't done at least two notable things. It would be interesting to keep track of the things it doesn't do in the future, too.

Re:Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717568)

It didn't fuck your sister, that's for damn sure. But I did.

Re:Who cares? (1)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717862)

So is this what passes for humor by ACs now? Or trolling?

Re:Who cares? (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717604)

It's the Ken Mattingly of cloth.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717694)

They were like that part of the flag will fray, lets rip it off. It never did, stayed in NASA and got to the moon in Apollo 16. Then was portrayed in a movie by Gary Sinise (yeah he's that good). That's alright for cloth.

Re:Who cares? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717782)

Fray. Huh. On the moon. Where there is no wind. Nothing to move the fabric at all. It'll stay up there exactly as it is until the high temperature and UV in sunlight causes the cellulose to degrade chemically. The fabric is nothing special.

Re:Who cares? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717800)

Minor correction: I was correct in my knowledge that the fabric is nothing special - it isn't some space-age superfabric made to survive harsh space conditions. I was wrong in my assumption that it was cotton. It's actually nylon. It's eventual fate is the same: Heat and sunlight will eventually cause it to break down chemically. Baring a visit from space-looters in the future or a really poorly placed meteor.

Re:Who cares? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718022)

Huh, is there anything they had back in 69 they could have made a flag out of that COULD survive in such an environment? I mean sure they could have made it out of metal but that wouldn't look good on camera.

As for TFA its a strip of cloth that sat in an office, that's all. It has about as much of a real connection to the moon as the slippers Glenn wore before getting into his space suit. Now if it would have been something like the plaque that Lovell saved from Apollo 13? The one that was supposed to be changed out on the moon but didn't because of the accident? Now THAT would easily be worth $100,000+. Hell it would probably fetch a cool million.

But the fact this never even left the ground doesn't make it that special and the bids reflected that. Hell I think one of those vests Kranz wore for the launches back in the day would fetch more.

Re:Who cares? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718776)

"Huh, is there anything they had back in 69 they could have made a flag out of that COULD survive in such an environment?"

yes. a nice stainless steel plate "painted" with ceramic like the old 1920-1950 signs were. on the moon in the sun it would last 10,000 years.

Re:Who cares? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718848)

Also heavy.

Re:Who cares? (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718812)

Huh, is there anything they had back in 69 they could have made a flag out of that COULD survive in such an environment?

There is one thing they had in 1969 that we do not have today. They could have used asbestos cloth,
Its illegal now, but was not then.

Re:Who cares? (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719072)

I bet NASA could get away with making a little asbestos cloth if they saw a need for it. They get to play with plutonium, after all.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718986)

Hopefully something will evenutally break down that apostrophe you put into that possessive pronoun. How come you nerds have perfect knowledge of obscure trivia no one cares about, but a simple three-pixel apostrophe, that's waaaaaaay too hard for you?

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36719772)

My god... the irony of your post. It's (a conjunction of it and is) a good thing you posted as AC.

Re:Who cares? (1)

Martian_Kyo (1161137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717650)

Why would you want to own The most underachieving part of the flag
It's like being proud of the child that never left home.

Re:Who cares? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717916)

Why would you want to own The most underachieving part of the flag
It's like being proud of the child that never left home.

If is the only child that is still alive... would this change your perspective? (you know, nylon isn't quite renowned for sustaining UV and cosmic radiation + over 100 degrees variation of temperature. I expect that the flag now on the moon is just dust now).

Re:Who cares? (1)

Martian_Kyo (1161137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717942)

umm no. it wouldn't.
I'd rather have the dust of the flag that went to the moon, then a piece of flag that never did.
The eternal question. Is it better to live life or just survive it?

Re:Who cares? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718000)

umm no. it wouldn't.
I'd rather have the dust of the flag that went to the moon, then a piece of flag that never did.
The eternal question. Is it better to live life or just survive it?

Now, here I can see a good reason for not wishing to have either of them. If you choose to live your life and unless you are one of the 3 that landed on the Moon, owning any of them doesn't bring any plus to your living. If you just survive through your life, owning any of them won't help you.

I guess owning memorabilia is for the inbetweeners (which have they vanity living for them).

Re:Who cares? (2)

Ambvai (1106941) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718658)

Do I get to stay in whatever I consider my physical and mental prime if I survive my life, or do I get to live the life of a struldbrug?

Re:Who cares? (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719474)

Keep in mind that eternity is a very long time even if you're magically always in your physical and mental prime.

If you're unlucky and the universe density parameter is less than or equal to 1, when the light from the last stars (long dead) stops reaching you, it will be very dark, cold, boring and lonely.

Who knows maybe eventually something might still happen - eternity is after all a very very long time. You might even tear chunks of flesh from yourself to form a new planet/star (assuming you regenerate so you'd always be in your prime).

If the density parameter is more than 1 the nonfun bits might still take up a long time. Nonfun = where you get squashed and superheated.

Eternal life without heaven and "perfection" would be hard to distinguish from hell. Feel free to figure out your own definition of perfection in the context of eternity and what I've mentioned.

Of course if you were one of those highlander types you'd probably get your head chopped off way before then (unless someone resourceful was mean/angry enough to send you naked into a near-sun orbit or on a long journey in space ).

Re:Who cares? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718096)

nylon isn't quite renowned for sustaining UV and cosmic radiation + over 100 degrees variation of temperature

Neither is photographic film, and yet some sheeple still believe all those moon pictures are real. [gets into flame-proof suit]

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718052)

Almost like Obama!

Re:Who cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718278)

I have an old flag in the garage that did not go to the moon. I wonder how much it is worth? Heck, I am not sure, but I suspect it has not been to Mars as well. Time to call the auction house!

Re:Who cares? (0)

xeon13 (2268514) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717518)

Re:Who cares? (1)

kakarote (2294232) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717550)

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Re:Who cares? (0, Informative)

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Re:Who cares? (1)

xeon13 (2268514) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717594)

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Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718524)

Asshole.

Re:Who cares? (1)

essayservices (2242884) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717584)

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Misleading summary ... (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717702)

If it didn't go to the moon, who cares that it even went to auction?

The summary conveniently fails to mention that it comes with an autograph of the first man to set foot on the moon, one of the men who actually raised the flag on the moon. The autograph is on a photo of the flag raising so the flag scrap seems to be something to enhance the signature.

Re:Misleading summary ... (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717822)

The summary conveniently fails to mention that it comes with an autograph of the first man to set foot on the moon, one of the men who actually raised the flag on the moon. The autograph is on a photo of the flag raising so the flag scrap seems to be something to enhance the signature.

so.... for 100K you don't just get some fabric, you also get some ink on a piece of paper?

Re:Misleading summary ... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718356)

I guess. You can get lunar astronaut's signatures for far less. I think I saw a photo of Eagle on the moon, with Buzz Aldrin's signature on it, available for $1700.

Re:Misleading summary ... (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719492)

A valid cheque for a million dollars is also some ink on a piece of paper.

Heck nowadays a billion dollars is a bunch of electrons in some computer or some magnetic stuff on spinning disks.

Re:Misleading summary ... (1)

strack (1051390) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718866)

if im gonna pay 100 grand for a piece of something, it better have fucking gone to the moon. accept no substitute.

Re:Who cares? (1)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717740)

Who cares if it did go to the moon? Who cares if it was kissed by King Tut, worn as a hat by Isaac Newton, and served as a swaddling cloth for the young Abe Lincoln?

Unless there are unanswered scientific or historical questions the artifact may shed light on, it doesn't have any real value apart from our own invented sentimentalism. A sheerly practical person may then not care about it. But I don't particularly see why a strip of the flag that went to the moon would be more valuable for having been taken from the flag after it was the moon rather than before. It is still equally unique, and equally connected to the historical incident.

Re:Who cares? (1, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717784)

It's practical value is nothing. It's economic value is what someone will pay for it. Thus it's worth $60,000.

Re:Who cares? (3, Funny)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717896)

Sheer lunacy!

Re:Who cares? (1)

Kavafy (1322911) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718282)

Sheer lunacy!

Nice one!

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718792)

Price of cloth that wasn't made into a flag or flown to the moon: $100,000
Price of advertising said cloth on a site for nerds, being the most viable market for said cloth: $100
Finally getting rid of the cloth: Priceless

Re:Who cares? (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718898)

Even if it did go to the moon, I don't see why anyone would care. Placing a value on objects simply because of who owned them or where they were at a point in history is just as absurd as placing a value on someone's "autograph". Unless a signature is attached to a fat check directly cashable to me, then I don't see what the hell I care about some ink on a piece of paper.

I met Buzz Aldrin when I was a kid. That was awesome. It wouldn't have been made more awesome by getting an autograph from him or by planting a flag on him and then selling strips of that flag on eBay.

Really? (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717496)

Somebody wouldn't settle for less than $100K for a scrap of cloth that almost was sent to the moon?

I'll settle for a much more reasonable $10K for a scrap of cloth from underwear resembling the underwear worn by Neil Armstrong.

Re:Really? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717536)

Somebody wouldn't settle for less than $100K for a scrap of cloth that almost was sent to the moon?

I'll settle for a much more reasonable $10K for a scrap of cloth from underwear resembling the underwear worn by Neil Armstrong.

Just make sure is is authentically autographed before and you may find buyers.

A quote from the NY times [nytimes.com] FA:

“They were throwing it all in the trash,” Mr. Moser recalled of the remnants in a recent interview, “so I picked it up out of the trash can, mounted it and had Neil Armstrong sign it.

Re:Really? (2)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717590)

Give me a second....yeah, it's signed.

I can also rub it in some trash too. Hell, for $15K, I'll even fly down to Cape Canaveral and rub it in some trash from NASA.

Re:Really? (2)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717600)

Yay for consistency in the media. NPR reports [npr.org] that bit of the story as:

"It was put in the trash can and I just took it out and said, `I'm going to keep that,'" he said.

Moser said he had Neil Armstrong sign a photo of the flag planted on the moon when the astronaut returned to Earth and he kept the picture and his rescued scrap of flag together in his NASA office until he retired in 1990.

Re:Really? (3, Insightful)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718902)

Yay for consistency in the media. NPR reports [npr.org]

Ah, NPR, the intellectual arm of American media that reports such gems as

to hold the banner out straight on the gravity-free moon.

I don't get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717502)

I'm more worried about the fact that people were willing to pay 60,000$ for a swatch of fabric that definitely did not go to the moon and in fact did nothing notable at all.

Latin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717556)

FFS just type 'buyer beware', it's easier and not in a dead language. Quit the pathetic attempts to sound smart by using latin.

Re:Latin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717636)

But...but...quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!

Re:Latin (2)

Albinoman (584294) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717638)

"Buyer beware" is just good, if not cheesy advice. "Caveat emptor" refers to an actual set of laws as well as sounding cooler. You do realize that you complained about something sounding smart on a website that's "news for nerds". Maybe this [foxnews.com] is more your speed.

Re:Latin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717680)

"Buyer beware" is just good, if not cheesy advice. "Caveat emptor" refers to an actual set of laws as well as sounding cooler.

The laws which do not apply in the stated context at all.

You do realize that you complained about something sounding smart on a website that's "news for nerds". Maybe this [foxnews.com] is more your speed.

It seems foxnews is more your speed given your inability to read what was written. See: attempts to sound smart. But nice try anyway.

I'd pay the asking price (3, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717576)

for the rest of the flag the "did" go to the moon (wink, wink...) and was shown on TV.

For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (4, Funny)

toygeek (473120) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717588)

For Sale: Lady Gaga's Underwear
Condition: Slightly unused
Description: These underwear were owned by Gaga herself but never worn. It is not clear if she actually ever touched them or even knew she bought them. But they were hers for sure.

Bidding starts at $1000

Re:For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717654)

The difference here is that the flag that is now on the moon would fetch $BIGMONEY if somehow it were auctioned. Underwear that Lady Gaga actually wore would be eligible for Superfund status before being put up for auction.

Re:For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717846)

Wait till someone buys that, packages it into a derivative, and sells 10,000 shares in it at $1 each.
On the up side, it's probably worth more than most derivatives.

Re:For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718306)

So ... is it men's or women's underwear?

Re:For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (1)

ildon (413912) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718864)

$95,000 reserve.

Re:For Auction: Lady Gaga's Underwear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36719066)

"Condition: Slightly unused" That sounds like they're full of holes and covered in stains of unidentifiable origin...

Snipped off right before... (0)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717698)

the rest of the flag went to Studio #2 in Hollywood.

Re:Snipped off right before... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36717730)

Geeze, not this shit again.

It was not in Hollywood, it was in Groom Lake, Nevada! How many more times does it have to be said?

Re:Snipped off right before... (1)

qwak23 (1862090) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718392)

Yes, but if people THINK it happened in Hollywood, no one will be looking for a studio in Nevada! It's all part of the bigger picture man! Now where the hell did I put my non-stick foil hat?

Just like the 1000's of flags... (3, Insightful)

NtwoO (517588) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717714)

that came off the same roll of fabric. This little bit is also just a bit of that roll that stayed behind. Sure, it has a sig, but it could just as well be another flag that was signed. Guess it is worth what a fool will pay for it.

Actually its from the guy who made the moon flag (4, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717758)

Just like the 1000's of flags that came off the same roll of fabric. This little bit is also just a bit of that roll that stayed behind. Sure, it has a sig, but it could just as well be another flag that was signed. Guess it is worth what a fool will pay for it.

Actually this scrap comes from the guy who was in charge of creating the moon flag apparatus. So the scrap does have a pretty good paper trail as coming from the flag that made it to the moon.

"Mr. Moser, then a 30-year-old mechanical engineer, was put in charge of designing a flag mechanism that could not only fit into the lunar module and survive the flight, but also make the flag appear to fly on the windless moon. His solution involved two sections of a staff, a telescoping tube and a nylon flag bought at a local housing goods store (Sears, he thinks). But in order for the flag to fit the staff, its edges needed to be trimmed. “They were throwing it all in the trash,” Mr. Moser recalled of the remnants in a recent interview, “so I picked it up out of the trash can, mounted it and had Neil Armstrong sign it.” Forty-two years later, Mr. Moser is auctioning off those flag remnants."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/science/space/10moon.html [nytimes.com]

Re:Actually its from the guy who made the moon fla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718154)

So not only did this flag not go to the moon, but it was actually handled by an engineer who didnt go to the moon either??

Now that really turns the story around

Would be different if it were a chunk of the wall. (1)

cyberfin (1454265) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717764)

I suppose every time something historically grand is about to take place, people scramble to make sure that pieces of that history is kept for posterity (or fetch bucket-loads of cash at auctions in 50 years time). A part of this is sickening and the other is endearing.

If this was a chunk of the Berlin-wall, it might fetch a different price for starters, but would probably be sold due to the amount of frantic collectors for cold war memorabilia. This might just show us that, at this point in time, we just aren't that interested in the old space programs. Maybe in another 50 years that strip of flag will fetch (equivalent of the time) a couple of million dollars (or whatever currency is in use at the time).

*ducks*

Anyway, as is usual these days, I think this is just a sign of something else currently trending.

Re:Would be different if it were a chunk of the wa (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717838)

Maybe in another 50 years that strip of flag will fetch (equivalent of the time) a couple of million dollars (or whatever currency is in use at the time).

Oh it will. Oh yes, it will. When sold as scrap nylon.

(just look at inflation).

Re:Would be different if it were a chunk of the wa (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718922)

If it was a chunk of the Berlin Wall, it'd be fucking worthless. The Berlin Wall was an extremely large thing and was broken into many pieces that are sold all over the world. Unless it's a very large piece of the wall (like, at least the size of a person) and it is covered with some of the known graffiti that was popular on the wall, then a chunk of the Berlin Wall is worth about as much as a chunk of any other rock laying around. The only market for pieces of the Berlin Wall today are in selling to sucker tourists, the same way those stupid "collector plates" you see sold on television have no value, but will get a quick first sale to some idiot decorating their house in Andy Griffith commemorative collector dinner plates.

Next up... (2)

michelcolman (1208008) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717794)

Another piece of cloth that was made from material that was grown on the same field as the one that produced the material for the flag! Bid starts at $10000

Re:Next up... (1)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717820)

I have here a genuine one-hundred-percent authentic flag with the exact same design as the flag that went to the moon! Heck, it's at all sorts of places - the UN, Washington D.C., embassies across the world! Now you might be thinking to yourself, what would I want for this incredible flag experience? Ten thousand dollars? Nine thousand dollars? No! It could be yours for the bargain price of only $8999! Act now, supplies are limited!

Re:Next up... (2)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717970)

Another piece of cloth that was made from material that was grown on the same field as the one that produced the material for the flag! Bid starts at $10000

Do they grow nylon in the fields now?

Re:Next up... (1)

michelcolman (1208008) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718580)

Yes, it makes a perfect combination with spaghetti [youtube.com] , alternating between the two.

Re:Next up... (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718974)

Doh, the american Sicilians, they forgot the millennial tradition [youtube.com] of growing the spaghetti in the vast plantations of Po valley, to be further processed at a tremendous scale by Italian industry. Of course, the fact they haven't paid attention to vacheval [jokeroo.com] education didn't help them either (and caused the current AGW situation).

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If I could afford it ... (2)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717854)

If I could afford it, hell, why not?

This is a piece of the flag that went up for the first moon landing. I don't care if it is the flag of another nation. I find it presumptuous to devalue the remnant because it never went to the moon. Heck, it's presumptuous to think that many people will ever own anything that actually went to the moon. It is even more absurd to assume that someone would buy it for its future selling price. The fact remains that it was part of humanities first foray to another planet. (And the Earth-Moon system is essentially a double planet system.) It is an important piece of history that says more about our future than almost any artifact dug out of the soil of our home planet.

To the nay-sayer's: just stuff it. You clearly have no appreciation of how important this achievement was. And it was unbelievably important since, within a few decades of achieving heavier than air flight, we managed to reach another world!

Re:If I could afford it ... (1)

fortunato (106228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36717958)

I don't know about anyone else, but I find it amusing that you apparently find it absurd to devalue the garbage related to the moon shot. If someone finds Neil Armstrong's discarded urine from his physical testing prior to the flight, should we value that too? I mean "it was part of humanities first foray to another planet. [sic]" Think of how much was wasted by letting booster stages burn up in the atmosphere! We should sue someone for letting those incredible pieces of history burn up! OMG!

Re:If I could afford it ... (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718930)

Going to the moon was an amazing achievement. Being a flag is not.

Re:If I could afford it ... (1)

taktoa (1995544) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719482)

To the neigh-sayer's: just stuff it. You clearly have no appreciation of how important this achievement was. And it was unbelievably important since, within a few decades of achieving heavier than air flight, we managed to reach another world!

FTFY.

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Blah pointless blah blah just a scrap of nylon (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718134)

On an objective scale, nothing bigger than a subatomic particle has any intrinsic value.

Going to the moon was essentially pointless, frivolous and meaningless.

And yet millions of people around the world watched it, and wept for joy because for one brief moment, our reach did not exceed our grasp, and we touched the heavens.

If the thought of having a connection to that astonishing moment - and the men involved in it, the frail apes who walked on another planet - doesn't embiggen your soul, then honestly, I pity you. You may one day have $100,000 in your pocket, but if you can't envision spending it on something like this, then you'll always be impoverished.

Re:Blah pointless blah blah just a scrap of nylon (0)

ledow (319597) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718316)

Sorry, I don't worship celebrities, I worship the science.

The science that's had its funding cut so it can't even replicate what was achieved over 40 years ago, and won't be able to do it again for decades. I think $100,000 would be better spent on something like the X-Prize or just donating it to a scientific project than owning something vaguely (very vaguely) associated with the past glories of a single nation.

It's why I'm much happier now that ESA is actually starting to lead the game rather than NASA - it means science is being done with my tax money for once. And judging by the Galileo array's ahead-of-schedule, vastly-under-budget (enough to deploy years ahead of schedule) achievement, it was money well spent.

Sure, I'd love to chat to Armstrong or any of the others. But I'd actually prefer it that we were creating more "new" history, than re-living old, now matter how small.

Re:Blah pointless blah blah just a scrap of nylon (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718938)

So to have a connection to a stunning event, I need to own a piece of material that was present for it. Uh. Okay.

The Real Stuff (1)

cpghost (719344) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718334)

Some have it, some don't have it... the Real Stuff it takes to have been on the Moon. This piece of fabric clearly didn't, and was consequently left behind.

I have a piece of Apollo11 in my front room (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718538)

Posting as AC just in case there is a double secret statute of limitations which has not run out.... In 1969-1970, NASA put the Apollo 11 command module and some other items into a trailer and took them on a tour of the state capitols. When it came to my state, my family went to have a look. I remember walking down the aisle in the trailer. The command module was separated from the walkway by a small rope - nothing else - and was only a couple feet away. I was in my early teens, so naturally I leaned over the rope and had a feel of the heat shield. The surface was blackened, torched, very brittle, and when I scratched it some of it came off under my nails. I looked around guiltily, but there was no security to speak of, so I went back to our car and scraped out the heat shield into a discarded candy wrapper and folded it up carefully. Later I put the stuff into a little dimestore picture frame with a short typed description of what it was. Now the tape has yellowed and the text is a little faded, but there is a piece of that magic summer of 1969 on my shelf.

Moon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718582)

Come on! Who cares if that strip never went to the moon. The rest of the flag that was stuffed into the tube never went to the moon either. It went to a sound stage in the New Mexico desert. Everybody knows that!

What? The Moon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36718650)

You mean Apollo 11 actually went to the moon? I won't believe it until Optimus Prime tells me.

More interesting (1)

naff89 (716141) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718690)

I personally think it's more interesting that somebody was offered $60,000 for it and they declined.

the other flag (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36718890)

How much for a swatch of the MTV flag they planted on the moon?

(It's been seen more times on TV.)

Mystery Solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36719146)

The discovery of the fabled 14th stripe....

Worthless (1)

OrangeMonkey11 (1553753) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719308)

If it never made it to the moon it is just another worthless scrap piece of fabric; the whole point of owning space memorabilia is to have something that actually went into space or came from space; and not some discarded scrap of fabric that they cut out because the flag did not fit on the flag holding apparatus. Honestly it sounds like the guys who has this scrap fabric spin a snake oil salesman tale about it an try to get some dumba$$ to buy it.

Re:Worthless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36719688)

Did you know that the Earth IS in space too? EVERYTHING went or came from space!

And who does this cloth belong to, exactly? (1)

Toad-san (64810) | more than 3 years ago | (#36719718)

This guy was a US Government employee at the time, right? And the flag was paid for by NASA, right?

So what the HELL is he doing with it? Oh ... yeah, he stole it. Right, I missed that part, doh.

So he's selling stolen US Gummint property? That's clever of him.

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