Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Apple Wants To Block Some HTC Products From US Under Tariff Act of 1930

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the mmm-competition dept.

Android 297

An anonymous reader writes "Days after filing another suit against Samsung, Apple took aim at smaller rival HTC, filling a claim with the International Trade Commission (ITC) to ban the sales of the competing smartphones and tablets. Apple said that HTC was infringing on 'groundbreaking' [technology] that Apple developed for its iPod, iPhone and iPad products."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Does it work? (2)

AlfaMike (1902786) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729222)

I might not be well informed but has this kind of move ever worked in the industry? Has any significantly big company ever stop selling their products because of moves like this?

Re:Does it work? (2)

Doodlesmcpooh (1981178) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729244)

Didn't some company stop Microsoft from selling Word in the US for a few weeks recently?

Noanbd NOT~ (-1, Troll)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729694)

Storp it with your heterosexist bungholibg on thiscpompiupter I DEMAND ityou to apoiligive! Ifnthe the one thins hiujwqikj Poop the to sensitivityuir itis th=e male assholes who are alwaqyasnmtallkinghere aout their stipqoiojnrke ppoojbvytwq. So fiuck that! No no no no npo no np andNO! ass

Re:Noanbd NOT~ (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729758)

Storp it with your heterosexist bungholibg on thiscpompiupter I DEMAND ityou to apoiligive! Ifnthe the one thins hiujwqikj Poop the to sensitivityuir itis th=e male assholes who are alwaqyasnmtallkinghere aout their stipqoiojnrke ppoojbvytwq. So fiuck that! No no no no npo no np andNO! ass

Whoa there dude! Check your keyboard, somebody might have slipped you a Dvorak.

New Sig (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729914)

Whoa there dude! Check your keyboard, somebody might have slipped you a Dvorak.

New Sig.

--

Whoa there dude! Check your keyboard, somebody might have slipped you a Dvorak.

Re:New Sig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729966)

What the fuck is up with Apple anyway? Do they have some religious conviction against failing to seek new ways to place restrictions on someone or something? If they didn't do that they would be the ideal company.

Re:Does it work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729272)

Yes,

http://www.silicon.com/technology/mobile/2007/08/07/qualcomm-ban-hits-3g-handset-imports-39168070/

Re:Does it work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729360)

If I recall, Buffalo was prevented from selling wifi acces points and routers a few years ago.

Re:Does it work? (3, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729418)

These companies have payed millions of dollars to buy patents. HTC didn't buy the IP therefore it has to pay a licensing fee.

The goal isn't to actually stop the selling of products, the goal is to extract licensing fees to cover the costs of patent purchases in the past and internal R&D.

The sales block just expedites the process by hitting the company much harder than insubstantial penalties (see Microsoft's fines in the 90s). It's one thing to fine them a few million a year, it's another to cut their revenue stream so that they can't afford the fines.

Re:Does it work? (2)

AlfaMike (1902786) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729470)

These companies have payed millions of dollars to buy patents. HTC didn't buy the IP therefore it has to pay a licensing fee.

I'm not a hater so the point of my question wasn't that Apple's claim is baseless (I honestly don't have the knowledge to take a position here since I haven't done any research). I agree that companies should be rewarded for their innovations but the patent system is so messy with the trolls and everything that I naturally take this kind of news with a grain of salt.

Re:Does it work? (2)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729968)

Wasn't calling you a hater. Nor am I calling HTC a leech or Apple a patent troll. I was just trying to answer the question at hand. ;)

Apple owns tech that they want license fees for. HTC wants to pay as few licensing fees as possible so they'll challenge as many patent disputes as possible and the quickest way to get someone to settle is to cut off their revenue.

So to answer your question "does this ever actually happen?" No, because the offending party always folds and settles before it actually affects them.

Without the *threat* of import bans the carrot wouldn't be so sweet.

Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (5, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729252)

Contrary to Jobs' statements, they don't want competition and they learned their lesson back in the early Mac Vs. PC days when they got their lunch eaten by a bunch of nobody OEMs churning out cheap PCs. Apple's model is not sustainable, and it's even less sustainable when people aren't flush with disposable income. Any moron could have predicted Apple would be in trouble years ago - they're one company trying to make one model of phone (which is just an iPod with a 3G chip) versus numerous Android vendors each innovating.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729294)

If by trouble you mean they are supply constrained and take home 50% of the profits in mobile devices, then yes, Apple is in big time trouble.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729320)

[citation needed]

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729364)

OH COME ON [google.com]

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729830)

[citation needed]

[WHOOSH needed]

and badly.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729350)

How's that growth going for them, btw? Like gangbusters? No? Ohh.. that's too bad I guess, huh?

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729906)

If this is truely the case, then why the need for apple to sue everyone?

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729340)

Gahahaha, I'm sorry, did I just read you as writing that the android vendors are innovating?

I hope you mean in terms of hardware, because they can keep their software/firmware "innovations" to themselves and let my battery keep its life while they're at it.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729412)

I hope you mean in terms of hardware, because they can keep their software/firmware "innovations" to themselves and let my battery keep its life while they're at it.

Huh? You just said nothing that makes any sense. If I were to lob a criticism Google's way re: Android however is that they've not even given a nod to security, but then all the vendors are guilty of that.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (5, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729476)

Gahahaha, I'm sorry, did I just read you as writing that the android vendors are innovating?

I hope you mean in terms of hardware, because they can keep their software/firmware "innovations" to themselves and let my battery keep its life while they're at it.

What do you mean? My Evo3D has awesome battery life. It is certainly better than any Apple phone that's been released, and it has a gig of Ram and a dual core 1.2 Ghz processor. Sure, my Evo4G had piss-poor battery life, but it was nearly twice the speed of any Apple phone when it was released (1 Ghz vs 600 Mhz). That problem has been resolved. Where my 4G would lose 10%/hr just sitting there, my 3D can last the entire day with 80% left.

Oh, and my Evo3d has a glasses-free 3D screen and 3D camera that takes 3D video and stills (or 2D if you wish) with LED flash, 4G speed and a 4.3 inch screen. Sorry, but I don't see anything Apple has ever produced that has "innovations" that match this. My phone even has a flashlight application that uses the LED camera flash with three different brightness settings. It sounds silly, but it has come in handy many of times.

Sorry, but like the parent said, Apple produces one phone. It simply can't compete with the range of Android devices out there. You can pick up an HTC Hero for free or you can get a phone like mine for $200. Apple can't compete on either end of that spectrum. When they first release a new device, they are top of the line for about a week. For the rest of the time, they are middle of the road hardware with an OS that is really showing its age (no widgets? Seriously?). They can't last like this. They are a very innovative company that produces high quality hardware that are works of art, but they are still just one company trying to compete against several, each innovating their own thing. The only advantage Apple has today is in tablets, but I don't see that lasting past this year.

No wonder Apple is scared.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (-1, Flamebait)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729568)

you think THAT'S innovation? So, when you went from your Evo4G to your EVO3D, how'd that transfer go? One click goodness like apple's system? Oh, right, you were too busy playing with a 600$ flashlight. Lol.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (5, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729678)

you think THAT'S innovation? So, when you went from your Evo4G to your EVO3D, how'd that transfer go? One click goodness like apple's system? Oh, right, you were too busy playing with a 600$ flashlight. Lol.

It actually went quite well. I booted up the phone and punched in my gmail address with password and all my contacts were transferred over. Of course, I had to reset up my wallpaper and reinstall my apps, but that didn't bother as it gave me a chance to decide which apps I wanted to keep and which ones to leave behind. The app reinstall took about 15 minutes without ever hooking my phone to my PC. I went to the android market, clicked on "my subscription" and there were all the apps that I had installed on my 4g. Clicked "install" on the ones I wanted and ignored the rest.

Of course, I had to reset up my wallpaper and "scenes". That took another hour. Oh, sure, I could have done it in about 30 seconds, but there was so much cool stuff to look at with the new widgets and all that I had to check them out.

But as for the one click thing you mention, I did see an option for that when I signed up for the HTC web page thingie that will allow me to locate my phone for free. I didn't try it, so I can't speak about how well it worked.

Oh, and I didn't play with $600 flashlight for too long because I got distracted by the 3D camera and free navigation packages that came with the phone. I find it odd that for the $600 you will pay for a new iphone, that Apple couldn't include either one of those.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (4, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729802)

you think THAT'S innovation? So, when you went from your Evo4G to your EVO3D, how'd that transfer go? One click goodness like apple's system? Oh, right, you were too busy playing with a 600$ flashlight. Lol.

Oh, and I should mention that I reinstalled all my phone apps from within Linux, although I could have used any OS. It didn't even have to be my own machine. I've installed apps from my work PC, friends PC, family's PC, even a buddy's iPhone. I can install apps from any PC without copying any files whatsoever to the PC I was using. I could have used the public library's PC if I wanted. Doesn't matter. You can install from a web page without ever hooking your phone to your PC.

Later, I was able to hook up my phone to my Linux box and transfer all my MP3's and movies with a simple drag and drop....

Did I mention that this was in Linux? I could have done it Windows or Mac as well, with no special software required. No iTunes to update. No "authorized machines" limit of 5. And did I mention it worked in Linux?

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730196)

Yeah, well count me out until it works in Linux!

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729652)

None of those 'competitors' had enough 'innovation guts' to introduce new category of products 3 years ago or a year ago. They just take someone's else 'break through' efforts and fine tune them. That's what Microsoft has been doing for a long time. No denying that those products are great. I got iPhone 4 and HTC Incredible and HTC is incredible :-)... (thought battery life sucks). But we want progress and someone should be working on the 'next break through'. And I rather send my hard earned money to that someone. For the last few years Apple demonstrated that it's such a company (with introduction of iPhone or iPad). This can change but at the moment that is the state of affairs (those are large companies and changes to their DNA are slow so one can should expect this to last for a few more years).

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729988)

Innovation is apparently improved battery life and a 3d display?

I'm not sure why this is modded funny (2, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729410)

It is quite accurate. Apple doesn't want competition. They have a real problem with Android in terms of their continued growth. Apple's massive rise has been due to its consumer electronics, not its computers. They could get rid of their computer division and still be huge.

Well the iPod is secure, for a good while at least, because of branding and fashion. People don't buy MP3 players, they buy iPods. They are the fashionable thing to own. Fine, but it is also a fairly saturated market, and one that is hard to sell people on new gadgets. MP3 players these days do a good job and have tons of space, it is hard to say "Hey you need a new one!"

So their growth markets are cellphones and tablets. However Android is cutting in to that hard. The iPhone is facing a major threat from Android phones, particularly HTC phones which feature a very slick interface (Sense is really nice).

What's more, the Android market moves much faster. Right now you can get Android phones with 4G, with dual core CPUs, with 3D screens. Now I'd say other than the first one that is not so useful, but it is new gadgets that people want.

They don't want that, they don't want to have to complete on their own merits, so they are going after Android makers. They were fine with Blackberry, that went for the business segment. No problem, they weren't interested in that, they wanted the larger consumer segment and they had it. However Android cuts hard in that and with each improvement cuts in more.

Apple is worried, Android has real potential to cut off their steam in their growth areas. If they start to take over as the phones, and perhaps tablets (that area remains to be seen) then Apple is in trouble. Also with that goes the profitable app and media sales.

It isn't like it would put them out of business, but it could shrink the profitability a lot and no company is interested in that.

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729460)

Over-saturated by cheap knock-off imitators running Android. The next Windows simply because the idea was completely lifted from Apple. Apple doesn't have to go after Google, they've got Oracle to do that for them. Let's not forget that Android is using multiple stolen techs without a care for where they came from or what it took to get them there in the first place. MS lost to Sun for trying to F up Java just like Google trying to get away with using Java in an unapproved way. Not build once run anywhere, well then it isn't a legitimate piece of Java!

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (3, Insightful)

siddesu (698447) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729618)

simply because the idea was completely lifted from Apple.

Meh. And Apple "stole" the app market idea and implementation from Docomo, AU and Softbank in Japan, each of which had a working and thriving app market ages before Jobs even visited Japan to hunt for smartphone ideas. I'm forgetting who they stole it from, because it wasn't all that new in 2002 either.

Besides, there's nothing bad about stealing ideas.

The copyright and patents are _artificial_ monopolies that, ceteris paribus, impede development, technological, social and otherwise. The society puts up with them for two reasons: the alleged contribution to "innovation", which never materializes, and the large amount of money for lobbying that the monopoly rents make available. I'll let you figure out which reason is the most important.

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729584)

You've ignored the fact that Apple made their comeback with OSX and they have made huge inroads with laptops. The iPod came after all that. But why worry about being a revisionist historian?

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729620)

No fucking kidding! Apple has *destroyed* Linux, it has decimated Windows and has obliterated the likes of Nintendo, Sony and Samsung. Apple has basically become the only technology company that matters. Everyone else either sells just cheap nock offs like android phones or is still clinging to freetard ideals or the limp wristed windows platform.

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (1)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729862)

Quick! Your fanboy is showing!

but saying android is a cheap knockoff of the iOS is like saying that blu-ray discs are just a cheap knock-off of cd's (which were a knockoff of records, but made smaller, shinier and "new" and marketed the bejesus out of it.)

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (4, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729598)

Your post was right with the exception of this one part.

What's more, the Android market moves much faster. Right now you can get Android phones with 4G, with dual core CPUs, with 3D screens. Now I'd say other than the first one that is not so useful, but it is new gadgets that people want.

I own the phone you are talking about, the Evo3d. I wasn't too sure about getting this phone, even though I could get it for free (sold my Evo4G for $250 and picked up the 3D for $200. The extra $50 paid for taxes, fees and a new Zagg screen protector).

I thought the 3D would take away from other things, like the fact that it only had a 5MP camera instead of the 8MP of the 4G. I also thought the 3D would be a gimmick. Well, it is a gimmick, but it's a really really cool one. Text messaging was a gimmick at one point. A camera was a gimmick at one point. I even remember when mp3 ring tones were a gimmick, much less an actual mp3 player. Of course, 3D cameras and screens won't become standard like text messaging, but it is still very cool. Go to a Sprint store, check it out and see how good it looks. I've taken 3D video and stills that will blow your mind, like a water skier with the rope close up and the skier far away or a simple coffee cup on a pier with the sunrise in the background. Awesome.

The dual core processor is really handy. My Evo4G would become nearly unusable when installing or updating applications. My Evo3D can installs apps in the background without me even noticing.

4G, of course, is pretty useful if, and only if, you are in an area with coverage and you are not going to venture out of it. For some reason, when the phone gains and loses 4G signal, the batter drains quickly.

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729878)

gains and loses 4G signal, the batter drains quickly

It makes pancakes too? Wow! Now that's a smart phone.

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (1)

tooyoung (853621) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730080)

What computer monitor do you use to view the 3D photos and video?

Re:I'm not sure why this is modded funny (3, Interesting)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730104)

Well the iPod is secure, for a good while at least, because of branding and fashion. People don't buy MP3 players, they buy iPods. They are the fashionable thing to own.

Well, no. The The iPod was *the* fashionable thing to own... back in the first part of the last decade. But not anymore. The iPod market is starting to fade - both because people *do* buy MP3 players that aren't iPods, and because phones in general and Apple's own Touch are starting to replace the handheld MP3 player.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729622)

Apple's model is certainly sustainable. They advertise a lot, make decent, easy to use products that people like, and then charge a high margin. (The high margin is of course, partly eaten by the expensive advertising campaigns, higher products costs, higher than average industrial designer salaries, and in-house software development - but there is still plenty left over for shareholders).

Of course they aren't going to get 100% of the market - I doubt that is even their goal. In fact, no luxury goods maker wants to get all of the market - that would mean that their goods are no longer luxury.

If they wanted to take over the entire market, they would indeed be in trouble. If they are happy to be one of the leading players in the premium segment, then they are doing quite well, and i suspect, will continue to do quite well. That said, there is no need for asshat moves like this patent suit. (Then again, Sansung is trying to prevent Apple products from being sold too).

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (3, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729628)

This has been a back and forth. Traditional vendors are fighting Apple to keep the Mobile phone companies in control, and Apple is fight the traditional vendors to wrest control from the phone companies. It was not that long ago that we did not have the ability to make ringtones for free, or browse the web without exorbitant charges, or for that matter have a phone that we could update on our own without mobile phone limited our choices. Yes, Apple does limit choice, but because of Apple Google gave us android that often has fewer limits. Except when the mobile phone company limits choices. Phone companies limiting our choices is what will happen if Android and MS Windows Mobile becomes the standard.

Re:Apple sees the writing on the wall.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729710)

dude, the stock market analysts have Apple's target price at 420$ per share... it's currently 355. It literately goes up or down 5$/day.

Apple is not in trouble, not even the slightest. What I anticipate with the patents issue is that the Nortel collection will basically make it easier for Apple, Microsoft and RIM to produce or license the pre-4G LTE phones (Contrary to marketing smhucks at AT&T,Verizon and Sprint, they're all rolling out 3G networks using LTE. Yes even Verizon.) Android is the one in trouble since none of the Chinese/Taiwanese/Korean manufacturers have licences or patents to protect them on that front.

What I reasonably expect to see in about 4 years (3G LTE should be in most North American markets by mid-2012) is that the smartphone world will be ruled by Apple, Nokia/Microsoft, RIM and some Android phones by Sony-Ericsson. The Chinese and Korean devices will only be found in PRC,Korea and Russia. You've seen what happened to DVD players, expect the same of smartphones. Android will simply be unaffordable until the LTE patents run out, by which time we'll all be on 7G. (Or given the speed of mobile technology adoption in NA, 5G.)

BUT...

That might be all that's needed. So what if you don't get the fastest connection, as long as it's LTE, the device will be forward compatible with the next generation LTE. What y'all don't realize is that the Analog (AMPS), Digital PCS(CDMA/TDMA), 2.5G (GSM/GPRS/EDGE/CDMA2000),2,75G(UMTS WCDMA (HSPDA)),3G(LTE) Are not backwards compatible with each other, both AMPS and PCS have been discontinued (Sprint/Verizon still run AMPS/CDMA compatible towers, but no phone sold in the last 8 years supports these.) When LTE is rolled out, the WCDMA 2.75G series will be discontinued. The reason is that LTE is all IP, where as WCDMA had separate voice and data channels (CDMA2000 only lets you use one or the other.) So if the existing android phones are not able to do LTE, and won't be for the next 3 years, they're going be marketed as the next feature phone, while Apple and RIM get marketed as smartphones.

*sigh* (3, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729254)

"We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it," Steve Jobs said at the time.

In other news, Steve Jobs is seeking to have a new liver transplanted in along with whatever bodily organ it is that keeps a person from being a huge douchebag.

If only he could rise to the ethical standards of 1990s Microsoft. Yeah, it's gotten that bad.

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729304)

He doesn't need to. Have you seen ol' steve lately?

He's a fucking walking skeleton. There's not much steve left. quite literally.

Re:*sigh* (2, Funny)

pookemon (909195) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729328)

In other news HTC has just applied for a patent on Liver transplants...

Re:*sigh* (1)

fotoflojoe (982885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729950)

I lol'ed.

Re:*sigh* (1)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729992)

We really need to stop using the negatively spun word "steal" to refer to "Intellectual Property". Stealing implies a devastating condition: the victim no longer possesses that which was stolen. If people really "stole" Apple's inventions, that would mean that Apple suddenly would not be able to produce iPhones, iPads, or anything at all. Let's use the correct word for the actual condition: copy.

We can sit by and watch competitors copy our patented inventions

FTFY, Jobs. Sorry, it doesn't sound as horrible as steal, and that's because, well, it isn't.

So what are the patents? That is the question. (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729256)

The summary makes a big deal about the law being used dates back to the 1930's. But the part Apple leverages is simply the part that bans import on things that violate U.S. patent holders, by itself a perfectly reasonable rule no matter how long ago it was imposed.

Now what MAY be unreasonable, are the patents in question. So what are they? It could well be THOSE are some of the absurd software patents we all know (and hate) so well, but it could also be some hardware related thing that is a perfectly reasonable thing to go after. The story by itself doesn't provide any help there...

It sure seems nothing much usually comes of these injection requests so I hardly expect it to go anywhere. Perhaps Apple is looking for some kind of reciprocation behind the scenes for something else...

Pre-emptive (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729308)

"the part that bans import on things that violate U.S. patent holders, by itself a perfectly reasonable rule"

No, because it's done (blocked from the US) BEFORE any ruling.
No, because the USPTO believes it HAS to issue the patent unless it can prove otherwise. Meaning that most patents are simply THINGS USPTO CANNOT PROVE pre-existed or were obvious. NOT NEW NOVEL INVENTIONS.

Apple has a load of these bogus patents and wants to block competition now that it can no longer compete by making better products,

Re:Pre-emptive (0)

aesiamun (862627) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729818)

I like to use ALL CAPS to SHOW that I aM IMPORTANT and have SOMETHING to SAY!

Re:Pre-emptive (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730122)

That just goes back to what I said. The real issue is not the law, which is reasonable, but that a lot of patents are NOT reasonable. The thing to attack is not a good law but bad patents that take advantage of that law.

Re:Pre-emptive (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36730156)

It's a bad law because it does not wait for the legal process to determine the validity of the patents or the extent of them. So Apple can get 100% block for a patent that covers 0.01% of a product. Or worse, a patent that the court strikes down.
It's simply an anti-trade anti-competition law disguised as an innovation protection mechanism.

Re:So what are the patents? That is the question. (2)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729312)

It sure seems nothing much usually comes of these injection requests so I hardly expect it to go anywhere. Perhaps Apple is looking for some kind of reciprocation behind the scenes for something else...

HTC just bought S3 graphics (and its patent portfolio) from VIA [cens.com] . My guess is Apple is trying to get HTC banned from the US before HTC starts asserting their newly acquired patents against Apple.

Re:So what are the patents? That is the question. (3, Informative)

crackspackle (759472) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729656)

Engadget has a fair description of each of Apple's claims [engadget.com] as well as links to each of the patents in question.

Re:So what are the patents? That is the question. (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730148)

Thanks, mostly software as I thought, some seemed bogus to me... but there's a bit of hardware, including the patent for blocking input when you hold a touchscreen to your ear. That seems possibly reasonable, if there is no prior art to be found. I'll wait to see if anyone has an example...

Re:So what are the patents? That is the question. (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730136)

Injunctions do happen, and the companies are prevented from importing devices. It happened to Qualcomm in 2007 [engadget.com] . Qualcomm quickly worked around it by implementing their chips in a way that worked around the patent. But don't think that this is an idle threat.

Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729292)

Ironic* that Android infringes on Apple's iPhone Patent's. Android infringes on M$ Win Phone Patents. But somehow M$ win Phone doesn't infringe on any Apple's iPhone Patents and Apple's iPhone doesn't infringe upon any M$'s Patents.

*By ironic I mean M$ and Apple appear to be colluding to take down another competitor while leaving each other alone.

Re:Ironic (4, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729384)

*By ironic I mean M$ and Apple appear to be colluding to take down another competitor while leaving each other alone.

It's not just appearances. Apple, Microsoft and Oracle have actually formed up to go after Android: Apple, Microsoft, Oracle Lead Unholy Patent Alliance Against Android [eweek.com]

Re:Ironic (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729538)

... Apple, Microsoft and Oracle have actually formed up to go after Android ...

Ah, the new "Axis of Evil" ...

Man... (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729298)

Must suck doing business these days if all you want to do is simply develop products for the end user without being hassled all the time. The time/effort/money wasted on the legal wrangling is getting ridiculous.

Re:Man... (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729958)

It's great if you don't have to invest in an R&D department and just use all of the innovation from other companies! Sure you'll get sued every now and then, but then you just pay a licensing fee and can use the best research from all the other companies who refuse on principle to use tech developed by their competitors.

HTC is in a great place, pretty much everybody is willing to license their IP out but as an organization they can pick and choose whose IP is superior without feeling obligated to hold desparately onto their own R&D departments successes and failures.

Re:Man... (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730182)

I think it's childish too. Why not spend all that money on things like making better products, or, better yet, fighting the hunger in Africa?

make them in the US then (3, Insightful)

Virtucon (127420) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729368)

If Apple were serious in their attempt to protect their business, then make their devices in the US and maybe their complaint could be taken seriously.
They may do the bulk of their R&D in the US but it is all built offshore. I don't see how they can claim protection under these circumstances.

Re:make them in the US then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36730092)

So it's OK if the US disrespects others' patents (even though that'd be illegal), but it isn't OK for China to disrespect others' patents (even though that's legal)?

Told ya (3, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729370)

Apple is the new Microsoft. Remember how Apple used to sue bloggers for just talking about an upcoming product? How about the kid who was selling white iphone skins, Apple shut him down in a hurry.

Re:Told ya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729400)

That is not good which will eternal patent, and with strange aeons even Microsoft may rise.

Apple has almost always been worse than MS (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729444)

Just nobody noticed because they were tiny. For a little while in the beginning they were a real techie company. I call that the "Woz Apple." However it wasn't long before they became more locked down and controlling than MS ever was. I've seen it time and time again throughout their history, but they were small, it only affected a small number of people, most of them fans who would forgive any transgression.

They also got a pass from a lot of geek types since they were "against Microsoft." They figured anyone who opposed MS in any way, no matter how minor, had to be a good guy. They never looked in to it past that. The love of the underdog and the dislike of MS meant Apple could do no wrong and they needn't look deeper.

Now Apple is massive, they are a consumer electronics giant. However this is not because of any change in their way of doing business, just that they found a market that they do well in. However because they are large, people are taking notice of what Apple does. They seem to think Apple has changed, and don't realize that only their visibility, and the effects of their actions have changed.

Re:Apple has almost always been worse than MS (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729472)

Apple back in the 80s and maybe even the late 70s made the notion that users can write programmable code, not just product vendors. This is partly why Activision was allowed to create Atari 2600 games independently. Can you imagine a world where the makers of computer hardware were the only people allowed to write software for them?

Re:Apple has almost always been worse than MS (2)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729578)

Not really. If I were to hand that honour to something it would be the Altair 8800. Launched a year before the Apple 1 it was a highly hackable, programmable, system. You could buy it as a kit and assemble it yourself, and it shipped with BASIC (from Microsoft, interestingly enough). Many people credit it as sparking the microcomputer revolution.

Now the Apple 1 continued that grand tradition and was a highly hackable, programmable, system. As I said, that was the "Woz Apple." Notice that was 3ish decades ago.

Apple has been what they are now for a long, long time, basically with the introduction of the Macintosh. There was a brief period where they tried to open up, allow for clones and go the software route, but that didn't work, Jobs came back, and they locked down tighter than before.

Re:Apple has almost always been worse than MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729586)

You seem to be in complete agreement with the GP. As the GP said, Apple was quite different in the Woz era.

Re:Apple has almost always been worse than MS (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729688)

'zactly. My speed reading leads to major skimmage. I saw that after I hit post.

Sj is just... (2)

DallasMay (1330587) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729376)

... pissed that he got ripped off of his monopoly again. I can picture it: A poorly shaven SJ sitting in a chair made of solid gold, with a whiskey bottle in his hand. Just mumbling....

Re:Sj is just... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729486)

I'm guessing he is mumbling "what would bill gates do"?

End of an Empire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729456)

I think it's great that the US is defeating itself from within (the only way according to Lincoln). Every time US monopolies succeed in stopping the creativity and productivity of others, the wealth of the US is reduced which undermines the US military which, ultimately, will end its tyrrany over other nations.

Apple better foot the bill... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729480)

If you are going to make DOJ do this kind of work, then you should pay for it. RIAA, Apple, DirectTV, and the like "Global Corp" etc get to inundate the courts with this nonsense for YEARS... Costing taxpayer dollars that are not necessary. It's just another corporate "tax" on us.

It's Apple and Steve Jobs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729498)

So I, for one, see no evil. [mp3ye.eu]

Apple is asinine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729500)

HTC had smart phones long before Apple. And to used an import laws to protect an American company from going under is ridiculous since Apple is just bullying smaller competition again. Against imports from Taiwan to protect an import from China.
Onscreen keyboards one a black rectangle is n that original. Apple should put their efforts into making more durable products that screens don't break so easy. Or batteries that can be replaced, or flash memory that can be upgraded.

Steve Jobs has watched this movie before... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729524)

...that is, he watched Microsoft mop up the personal computer world at the expense of his OS in the 80s and 90s.

I guess he did not enjoy watching that movie and that's why he's acting this way. Sounds reasonable to me...I mean, I would do the same thing.

As the saying goes, "A wise man changes his mind, but a fool never will." Steve Jobs has decided to do something to stem the rise of Android.

The better strategy though, would be to go after Google for without it, Android would be starved of the oxygen that fuels its growth.

Re:Steve Jobs has watched this movie before... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729880)

I don't get why that would be a "better strategy". Firstly, for what? Go after Google for producing a smartphone operating system? Violating software patents? And Google has a fair amount of cash in reserve almost, rivalling Apple. Going after Google would result in a long drawn out legal battle or a stalemate, trading patent licenses. Far better for Apple to go after HTC and try to scare them (and others) away from choosing Android. Secondly, Google has no desire to go into the phone-manufacturing business. Without the phone/tablet manufacturers, Android is an OS without a platform.

Apple can't use it's bully-boy scare tactics on Google (their go-to strategy), so they're deploying their one-trick pony against HTC.

Anyone? Bueller? (2)

Hartree (191324) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729534)

The Tariff Act of 1930 is better known by another name: The Smoot-Hawley Tariff.

Most of that was repealed. How interesting to know that sections of it are still around.

Re:Anyone? Bueller? (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729816)

How sad it is that so many of the programs and acts passed precisely because of 1929 are no longer around?

Obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729562)

I work for a cell phone company, and can attest for every iphone we must sell at least 10 androids, if not more. Desperate attempt.

Re:Obvious (0)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729644)

You should check out your nearest Apple store, they sell infinitely more iPhones than Android phones.

And not so obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729844)

And of those 10 Android phones, which INDIVIDUAL phone sells the most?

Re:Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36730020)

Why would I want to deal with some asshat in the mall when I can hit up store.apple.com and have an iPhone shipped to my door? I think your numbers are skewed.

Apple's Weakness (5, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729610)

Too bad that Apple is admitting how they can't compete with their design and technology, so they will compete with lawyers instead.

Sad.

Re:Apple's Weakness (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729892)

Apple has always been hugely litigious. I guess you weren't around when they sued MS in 1985 over the Windows 1.0 interface, and again in 1989 over the Windows 3.0 Interface. Apple makes fantastic products. They're also obsessively controlling of their ecosystem and their intellectual property, and they've sued everyone from Apple Records (countersuit, actually) to Cisco over trademarks ("iPhone" was a Cisco trademark). It's a component of how they've always done business.

The Tariff Act of 1930 (0)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729638)

And wasn't The Tariff Act of 1930 considered one of the things that pushed us into the Great Depression? Yeah, really good thinking there.

Re:The Tariff Act of 1930 (2)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729972)

The great depression started with a crash in 1929. The banks primarily at fault. Tariff games all around compounded problems making them worse; it still would have been "great depression" bad - the international reactions spread trouble all over and tariffs were part of it. Just as recovery was harmed by states cutting funding as they are doing today... except the feds are not picking up the slack like they did last time and we for some reason are not allowed to reach past 40% of the debt they had at the end of WW2...

Tariff is a bad word today in our free market idealism gone mad. China puts them on us but we hardly put them on China; every new product that touches them ends up with cheap knock offs the next year despite patents.

Tech companies usually have a cold war in their harmful I.P. and mostly use it to screw over small players. Smart phones have entered into a world war; with all sides having stupid "properties" -- everybody sues everybody else. All we can hope for is that it gets really nasty to the point where the public can't use their phones. Maybe if the clueless sheep "suffer" a bit we may get some reform of the broken system?

when you can't compete litigate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729720)

when you can't compete litigate apple did this to kill pystar and they did not seem to get a much in the way of there time in court and if they had some bigger backing and the funds to last for a long time in court they may of won or gotten a part win. also there are places in the UK / EU doing the same thing but the laws are alot more on there side.

Another form of MS vs Linux battle (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729750)

What Apple is trying to do is no different to what MS tried to do to Linux. If you can't beat your competition on features and the speed of development, then try to slow the progress by suing the manufactures.

Too bad Apple haven't realised by taking this path, they will end up losing (leaving out all Apple fan boys) any unbiased users, who might have bought an Apple product otherwise.

I for one was considering buying an iPad 2, but no more. I'm never been a fan of bullying !!!!

Fair Trade (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729752)

We are told that if we just get government regulators out of the way, the "free market" will sort everything out.

Does this behavior on Apple's part indicate their desire to have a "free market"? Do you believe that any of the biggest corporations that are about to report record 2nd quarter profits really want anything like a "free market"?

Re:Fair Trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729888)

I'm about the last person to defend libertarians, since it's clear to me that under corporate rule we'd all be serfs who get worked to death, but the issue here is that Apple is attempting to shut down a free market through government interference. No government action, Apple loses.

Re:Fair Trade (2)

scamper_22 (1073470) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729940)

No provider wants competition. Every provider wants a monopoly.

It's no different from people. Everyone wants an advantage. No one wants to limit themselves or face barriers or face competition. Would you like to be the only male in the society that females would have the option of mating with. Of course :P

But in real life, we have the 'free market' in love and you can't just go out there and murder your competition or make laws stating barring different people from mating or marrying.

Of course this was done in the past. Inter-racial marriages were banned. Sometimes the king gained better breeding rights...

That's the government.

Notice how Apple is trying to use the government to stop competition. That's what people mean when they say the government should be limited. Arbitrary government power results in people able to exploit that power.

the 'free market' is an ideal system where everyone competes on their merits. People are free to choose the products and service they want. Providers are free to offer such products and services.

It's a system people agree upon... but its ridiculous to think any individual corporation or person wouldn't want a monopoly or advantage if they could.

Troll (1, Insightful)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729858)

I think Apple is just trolling the world at this point...

Oh the irony! (3, Interesting)

RandomStr (2116782) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729864)

What I find most amusing about this move by the a-word company, is that they are trying to take down the company that started this whole handheld revolution!

Back in 2000(yes 11 years ago!), I had(and still have) a Compaq iPaq, with a PCMCIA sleeve, containing a GSM card and a IBM Microdrive, it made calls, could play mp3s and video, and surf the web and email, it was incredible! I wasn't the only person in the world at the time with a similar set-up, I'm sure, but seriously, how many years later did the a-word company release their devices?

Todays devices are more compact, the battery life has been sorted and the screens are better too, but in terms of what could be done with them, even back then, it was a more capable, and less limited device; and guess who actually made it, that right HTC...

So, apple copies HTC's ideas(and a few people who could 'see' the potential of such a device), claims that they came up with it, try's to prevent the guys who came up with the ideas originally from selling their products, all while trying to create monopolies around every service that some hard working kid proves works...

What ever happened to free competition and regulators preventing monopolies, rather than helping them...

Land of the free, my arse!
How about, land of the lobbyist and advertising budget!

America, Fuck Yeah. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729866)

Can't innovate? Litigate!

Observation from epSos.de (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729886)

This is the beginning of the downfall of Apple. Yes, Apples fall down too. It may take a decade or two, but it starts like this. If everything would be OK, they would not need to attack other people. They would feel confident.

They fear Androids now.

Dear Ayn Rand fans, your Randian hero, Steve Jobs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36729926)

Is nothing but a useless second-hander after all.

Much like all Objectivists, they are hypocrits [alternet.org] .

Apple is just pure evil, much like Google... (1)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#36729974)

Its sad, there was a day I was proud to be an Apple employee, then a contractor on Wall Street, and then back as an OE and consultant with Apple when we were trying to do great things with Entrerprise software and tools. Now that Apple has migrated to a consumer electronics company and behaving as they are, it just stinks and I can't stand the company any more.

Anti-competitive tactics to protect... (0)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730016)

Apple's income and the jobs of their Chinese factory workers...both of which trump the rights of American workers and consumers. "America...whadda country!".

patents for tiny ideas (2)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 3 years ago | (#36730118)

These are good times for software patents. And by that I mean that all these companies are at each other's necks accusing each other of using their patented tech. Because of this, the whole thing will implode out of sheer exhaustion, and eventually the patent office won't be so quick to dish out patents to generic, uninspired ideas which sometimes a kid could think of.

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?