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315 comments

Ummm (5, Funny)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about 3 years ago | (#36740014)

It can't help XP users pass the time since it requires Vista or 7!

Re:Ummm (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 3 years ago | (#36740228)

Yeah. Nice try, MS.

Re:Ummm (3, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#36740346)

It can't help XP users pass the time since it requires Vista or 7!

Does it run in Wine?

Re:Ummm (1)

Spad (470073) | about 3 years ago | (#36740394)

The ironing is delicious.

"The ironing is delicious" -- new diet? (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | about 3 years ago | (#36740614)

You just about cost me a new keyboard today, thanks for that! How's that new diet working out? High in fibers, I'd imagine. :-D

I put on my Pedant Hat...

I think the word you want is irony. Choice Blackadder quote:

Blackadder: Baldrick, do you know what irony is?

Baldrick: Yeah, it's like goldy or bronzey, only it's made of iron.

Cheers,

Re:"The ironing is delicious" -- new diet? (3, Informative)

bkpark (1253468) | about 3 years ago | (#36740686)

I think the word you want is irony.

And the family cartoon you want to watch is The Simpsons [youtube.com] .

Joy... (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | about 3 years ago | (#36740976)

Cheers, I haven't had a TV in so long that I've missed out on a lot of Simpsons / Futurama / etc. Mark one under "Missed References"... :)

Re:Ummm (5, Funny)

RiscIt (95258) | about 3 years ago | (#36741122)

It's just the killer app they need to get everyone to upgrade!

Not a moment too soon! (5, Interesting)

Afforess (1310263) | about 3 years ago | (#36740020)

How many other companies are expected to maintain 10+ year old software, even after TWO new releases (Vista, Win7) are available?

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2, Insightful)

creat3d (1489345) | about 3 years ago | (#36740064)

Companies that make operating systems used the world over in everything from personal desktops to enterprise-wide systems.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (5, Informative)

Afforess (1310263) | about 3 years ago | (#36740126)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long. Apple is notorious for dropping support for previous OS X versions (um, talk to the people trapped on OS X 10.4 due to the intel switch).

Sorry buddy, your facts are wrong.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

mat catastrophe (105256) | about 3 years ago | (#36740246)

I thought 10.5 could run on PPC. All I know is, I can't buy a new printer for this damn thing without an OS upgrade and, frankly, that's stupid.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2)

powerlord (28156) | about 3 years ago | (#36740396)

Yes, 10.5 can run on a PPC.

10.6 is Intel only (and RosettaStone is an optional component, to be removed in 10.7)

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#36740958)

totally depends on the PPC G5 10.5 no problem G4 10.5 eh maybe, my 9600 apple said fuck you less than 2 years! (though if you fuck with it long enough you can get 10.2 on there, but why bother it runs brand new debian ppc and xfce faster than my work computer deals with XP just on 256 megs and a "upgrade" to a ati 7000

Nor does Canonical charge for upgrades (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36740272)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long.

Nor does Canonical charge for operating system upgrades. Nor does Canonical drop all support for older yet paid for and still working PC hardware as quickly; Ubuntu 11.04 needs less than half the RAM of Windows 7.

Re:Nor does Canonical charge for upgrades (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740644)

Nor does Canonical charge for operating system upgrades. Nor does Canonical drop all support for older yet paid for and still working PC hardware as quickly; Ubuntu 11.04 needs less than half the RAM of Windows 7.

Let's say a bunch of things that miss the point completely, that will sure show him!

Re:Nor does Canonical charge for upgrades (3, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | about 3 years ago | (#36740878)

I don't know how true that is.

Windows 7 runs almost as well as Ubuntu with 1GB of RAM, I can't imagine using either with less.

I just installed Windows 7 on a Pentium D with 1GB RAM, and Integrated graphic, aside from the fact that I'm in the ugly interface mode, it works pretty well.

Both it, and my Ubuntu box with 1GB of RAM suffer freeze-ups as things swap.

Re:Nor does Canonical charge for upgrades (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 3 years ago | (#36741142)

Support means you like the system the way it is, but want the necessary patches and such to keep it working. Upgrade means the versions of everything changes, the UI changes, the API changes and a host of other things that may break systems or confuse users. That means retesting, recertification, updating training materials, guides, system documentation and so on. Just because the upgrade is free doesn't mean upgrading is free. It's a valid point but hardly a perfect substitute.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 3 years ago | (#36740296)

um, talk to the people trapped on OS X 10.4 due to the intel switch

My PowerBook is running 10.5 quite happily.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

jcombel (1557059) | about 3 years ago | (#36740468)

yes, yes, he got his digit wrong, good thing you pointed that out (and got beaten to the punch [slashdot.org] by someone who didn't feel the need to be a douche).

being snarky won't help you get 10.6 or 10.7 installed, nor will it make his point false.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 3 years ago | (#36740580)

The machine is 7 years old and shipped with OS X 10.2. For the last couple of years, it's not done anything except play music. I don't really have any problem with it not supporting 10.6 or 10.7. Not supporting 10.5 would have been a problem, because VLC dropped support for 10.4 a couple of years ago.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

paziek (1329929) | about 3 years ago | (#36741134)

You bought PowerBook just to play music? Wow...

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740306)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long. Apple is notorious for dropping support for previous OS X versions (um, talk to the people trapped on OS X 10.4 due to the intel switch).

MS has an obligation just a little bigger than Ubuntu's or Apple's. Keep in mind:
(Ubuntu install base * OS X install base) < MS Windows install base

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 3 years ago | (#36740642)

Except for the fact that Ubuntu makes it pretty easy to upgrade to the next version by just clicking a button, the system requirements aren't increased and it is totally different than upgrading from XP to Vista/7. And yes, Apple is a hardware company primarily and wants people to buy new expensive hardware every couple of years so that makes sense for them to do that.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

bberens (965711) | about 3 years ago | (#36740746)

My personal experience is that upgrading Ubuntu via that button is a bit like using a Windows upgrade CD. It technically works, but winds up being more trouble than it's worth and you're better off doing a complete system rebuild.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740856)

With Apple I cannot even upgrade to the Lion OS and I have an older Intel macbook (at the time the macbook was cheap based on its hardware feature set). The problem is it uses Core Duo processor. Lion requires Core 2 Duo. So if you want a machine for longer term, Apple will not cut it.

On the other hand, Apple fanboys probably upgrade 3-4 times a year to the next revision so my point may be moot.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (3, Insightful)

Urkki (668283) | about 3 years ago | (#36740912)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long.

Update from one LTS support to the 4 year later LTS version is generally painless. Ie. the support is there, you just have to click a few buttons to install it, and it'll most likely even run, just like that, click click. Upgrading Ubuntu (or other comparable Linux distro) is more like installing new service pack to a Windows OS, there's continuous upgrade path.

Now try upgrading a basic WinXP computer from just 2008 (to compare to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS) to anything newer.

But I do think MS does not have any obligation to support XP any longer than they think it's smart business-wise, and I'm rather surprised about how long they've supported XP. Commercial OS costs money, and it's unreasonable to expect indefinitely long support for a one-time payment.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

creat3d (1489345) | about 3 years ago | (#36740964)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long. Apple is notorious for dropping support for previous OS X versions (um, talk to the people trapped on OS X 10.4 due to the intel switch). Sorry buddy, your facts are wrong.

What facts? He was asking what should be EXPECTED.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 3 years ago | (#36740992)

Ubuntu does not maintains Long Term releases that long. Apple is notorious for dropping support for previous OS X versions (um, talk to the people trapped on OS X 10.4 due to the intel switch).

Sorry buddy, your facts are wrong.

Perhaps there's a reason Microsoft remain in their dominant position?

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | about 3 years ago | (#36741064)

Sure they do. Except instead of a "Service Pack" you just download the new version.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#36740104)

I dunno, how long did dos last ...

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Spad (470073) | about 3 years ago | (#36740430)

Which version?

Re:Not a moment too soon! (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#36740204)

How many other companies are expected to maintain 10+ year old software, even after TWO new releases (Vista, Win7) are available?

Hmm, perhaps companies that were still selling that 'ten year old software' on new systems last year?

Re:Not a moment too soon! (3, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | about 3 years ago | (#36740910)

Like Dell?

Even so, the system will be 3-5 years old by the time support is dropped. It will be worth $0 to the accountants.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about 3 years ago | (#36740242)

It's not 10 years old if it was sold last year.

Yeah. XP has been shipping on new machines until very recently due to the fiasco that was Vista.

Your "age calculation" should start at when the product stopped shipping with new machines, not when it was first introduced.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | about 3 years ago | (#36740470)

Just like how my house is only 3 years old, because that's when I moved into it. I mean sure, it was built in the 60s, but that hardly counts.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about 3 years ago | (#36740636)

There is a difference.

Last year, some guy wet to a store and bought a new (made in last year) PC with an operating system. Now he is being told that his operating system is really old and will not be supported. Then why was it for sale as recently as last year?

I'll try to make a house analogy.

You bought a new house right after it was built. A few years later you find out that you need to replace all the wiring because it is too old, since while the house was new, the wire used was made 50 years ago.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | about 3 years ago | (#36740984)

You bought a new house right after it was built. A few years later you find out that you need to replace all the wiring because it is too old, since while the house was new, the wire used was made 50 years ago.

And in that case, of course I blame the wiring manufacturer, not the contractor that couldn't be bothered to use the (same cost) new wiring. Or maybe he used the wiring I demanded because I already knew how to use it and didn't want to figure out a fancy new circuit breaker. Actually, a circuit breaker panel is probably a better example because, while a pain, you can replace it without having to worry about screwing up the rest of the value of the house.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36741406)

Last year, some guy wet to a store and bought a new (made in last year) PC with an operating system. Now he is being told that his operating system is really old and will not be supported.

In three years... And yes, it is indeed very old.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740658)

So Microsoft is selling used software? Would you say your house is twenty years old because the plans were that old even if it was built three years ago.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

syousef (465911) | about 3 years ago | (#36740318)

How many other companies are expected to maintain 10+ year old software, even after TWO new releases (Vista, Win7) are available?

That just shows your ignorance. MANY MANY companies maintain software that is 10+ years old. Talk to anyone in IT in the Banking, Finance and Insurance sectors. Unless you throw a LOT of money at it (like NASA, aviation industry etc. - systems that must not fail else people die or millions are lost), software does not get bedded down and achieve stability for at least a couple of years. Even if all the major issues are right on day one (in practice this seldom happens) there are always minor differences between how a system is actually used and what was designed/envisioned. In the case of XP there have been 3 service packs in those 10 years.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2)

confused one (671304) | about 3 years ago | (#36740446)

We have a lot of production software written to target Windows XP. We're still running some DOS software on Windows 98 boxes. The two of us working on this, part time, can not possibly move all the software to the Windows 7 platform by that time. Don't blame me, blame the short-sighted managment that has chosen to ignore all of my recommendations for the past 8 years.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (2)

kcbnac (854015) | about 3 years ago | (#36740754)

Then they'll have to pay the price for not listening to their experts, and:
A) hire more folk to migrate everything
B) run 'unsecured' systems
C) lock them down (more) as they'll be unpatched
D) head for virtualization for the DOS/XP apps.
E) Combination of Virtualization for the Win98 stuff, and compatibility mode for XP software.

Time to start harping about that, if its gonna take that long.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 3 years ago | (#36741090)

Sounds familiar, the company I'm developing for is almost as backwards (but since this year, we're actually targeting Windows 7 instead of XP).

Guessing from my experience to the situation of GP, they will probably end up with B), at least for some time. Maybe they can get away with it, because for a computer that is not on a network a lot of security issues go away.

Virtualization for the DOS stuff may work, but that is not guaranteed. We have one DOS software left ourselves, and have tried DosBox and VirtualPC for it. Works most of the time, but not as reliable as "real" DOS. Finally, I'd be surprised if they cannot make most of the XP software work with some adjustment of the user rights.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740516)

Until one of the new releases is faster and more stable than the current product. That was....Vista SP1? SP2?

Plenty! (5, Informative)

sjbe (173966) | about 3 years ago | (#36740624)

How many other companies are expected to maintain 10+ year old software, even after TWO new releases (Vista, Win7) are available?

Off the top of my head:

  • Every aerospace company that makes software
  • Every military contractor that makes software
  • Most banking software
  • Lots of software that runs on a mainframe (AS/400, etc)
  • Point of sale systems
  • Healthcare equipment
  • CNC machining equipment
  • Accounting systems

Just to name a few. There is software out there which demands support periods measured in decades. LOTS of companies are expected to maintain support for old software.

Re:Plenty! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740930)

Telecom.

All of the Baby Bells are still running digital phone switches that are 20+ years old. The carriers are in no hurry to upgrade to newer equipment since the older stuff works so well (though its starting to change, I'll grant). In North America, if you still have a copper landline, chances are that when you pick up your phone, your dialtone is being provided by either an old Western Electric (now Alactel-Lucent) ESS switch or a Nortel (formerly Nortern Telecom and Bell Northern) DMS switch that was put into service in the eighties.

Granted, these switches have reached a very high level of maturity and robustness. You will see very few field issues after 25-30+ years of service, at least in the embedded software.

Re:Plenty! (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 3 years ago | (#36741128)

I bet they charge annually for it though (I could be wrong of course).

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740672)

Who cares, when Vista and 7 require more CPU, RAM, and hard disk space... Windows 2000 was the best thing since sliced bread, and despite blaster/etc, and the fact that it's now EOL, I would still continue to use it. Having said that, the only reason I'm using XP is because W2K is EOL.

Put it this way. I can boot W2K on a P3 with 256MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive. Seven DEMANDS 8GB, but after patching requires over 12GB. W2K booting to the desktop consumes under 128MB of RAM. Seven consumes over one gigabyte.

All they do is bloat the crap out of it, change some UI elements and call it a new version. Don't get sucked into their money vacuum.

Driver problems (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 3 years ago | (#36741328)

When I got my current PC (Athlon 64 X2) in 2007, I tried running it with W2k first. Never got it to run stable, while my older Pentium4 worked fine on W2k until it went EOL.

In hindsight, I suspect the drivers. The NVidia graphics driver in particular was no longer maintained for W2k at the time, and I had to choose between an older driver for W2k and a newer one that was only offered for XP. I tried both, and either way, the system crashed from time to time.

After a switch to XP, the same (Athlon) box is running flawlessly. For W2k, that leaves either the OS or the drivers as the culprit. W2k being bad seems unlikely, as it always worked fine with the P4.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740718)

How many other companies are expected to maintain 10+ year old software, even after TWO new releases (Vista, Win7) are available?

Dunno. Don't care. My desktop machine is still running Windows 2000 SP2 just fine and nobody in the IT department can change that. I have skipped repurchasing what were essentially the W2K re-releases known as XP, Vista, Windows 7, and will probably skip paying for Win2K again when Windows 8 comes out.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 3 years ago | (#36740742)

I think HP is still supporting OpenVMS through 2012.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740798)

Dunno, Sun (Oracle) does with Solaris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29#Version_history

But generally, Microsoft and Sun are rare exceptions in this area, most OSs probably don't get 5 years of vendor support.

Solaris 8 (SunOS 5.8) Released: February 2000 End of Support: March 2012
Solaris 9 (SunOS 5.9) Released: May 28, 2002 End of Support: October 2014
Solaris 10 (SunOS 5.10) Released: January 31, 2005 End of Support:
Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 (SunOS 5.11) Released: November 15, 2010 - the support cycle here is a bit different, but still quite long for paying customers

Re:Not a moment too soon! (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 3 years ago | (#36740810)

Those that write software for the medical industry, air traffic control, electric power generation, military hardware, etc. etc.

Re:Not a moment too soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36741018)

I think 5yrs after the last version that is 'sold' would be good. For open source software, 5yrs after initial release should be good.

months old (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740034)

That timer was released over a month ago. In fact, I think I remember reading about it on /. back then.

Re:months old (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 3 years ago | (#36740696)

Actually, April 19, so almost 3 months ago. Now it's a 916 day countdown clock. Wonder how many days until the next dup...

This is a dupe (3, Informative)

ucflap (2317940) | about 3 years ago | (#36740036)

Re:This is a dupe (1)

lseltzer (311306) | about 3 years ago | (#36740668)

It's even worse than that. The fact that Microsoft will discontinue support for XP in April 2014 was announced in April, 2009 [computerworld.com]

Re:This is a dupe (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | about 3 years ago | (#36740816)

Seriously, this is news now? Microsoft has this published on their website [microsoft.com] for some time now.

Just enough time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740056)

Just enough time to get my Linux desktops buffed-up.

Not surprising. (2)

JKConsult (598845) | about 3 years ago | (#36740060)

I'm still on (and perfectly content with) XP, but even I'll admit that by that point, it'll be the equivalent of Terry Schiavo.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

6ULDV8 (226100) | about 3 years ago | (#36740424)

I'm still running XP in Bootcamp because of a requirement of certain network devices. I can't upgrade until those are EOL by a customer.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

powerlord (28156) | about 3 years ago | (#36740496)

Agreed. They can have my WinXP VM image when they pry it from my cold, dead, hard drive.

(deal with too many customers using "legacy" systems and need older image, besides, XP runs wonderfully as a VM under OSX :) ).

Re:Not surprising. (1)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | about 3 years ago | (#36740608)

Of course Windows XP runs beautifully as a VM. In fact, XP as a VM integrates really really well into the upper versions of Windows 7. In fact, it's an advertised feature, and you don't even need a separate XP license.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 3 years ago | (#36740868)

But it would probably be cheaper to get an OEM licence from somewhere and run it in a VM on Home Premium than it would be to buy Vista Pro or Vista Ultimate.

sad state of affairs (2)

v1 (525388) | about 3 years ago | (#36740108)

when the have to keep maintaining a product across the course of two new releases so customers can survive long enough for a release that's worth ponying up for.

Tho I suppose 7 wasn't too bad. Vista, however...

Re:sad state of affairs (2)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about 3 years ago | (#36740226)

7 is excellent, a true successor to XP. XP is only still around because of poor people who don't torrent or have ancient hardware, and incompetent IT departments.

Re:sad state of affairs (1)

JKConsult (598845) | about 3 years ago | (#36740536)

I have perfectly capable hardware and I torrent. I also have a perfectly legitimate copy of XP and have yet to be presented with a compelling reason to upgrade to 7. When that happens, I'll upgrade, but not before. People who don't spend money on upgrades they have yet to see a need for aren't "poor", they're making rational financial decisions.

Re:sad state of affairs (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 3 years ago | (#36741222)

The Window management is 7 is fantastic.

Worth $3/month easily ($100 for the upgrade that should be fine for 3 years if you're still on XP).

The improved taskbar, and snapping side by side windows make it worth every penny.

Also, IE9 developer tools make trouble shooting IE rendering a lot easier if you do and CSS/HTML work.

Re:sad state of affairs (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about 3 years ago | (#36740698)

I torrent and have semi-recent hardware (would be enough for Win7 I guess). However, reinstalling Windows and then spending days if not weeks configuring and installing all the software is such a PITA that I do not want to do it without a really good reason (for example, all of my software stopping working in XP, XP no longer booting, not even if I restore from backup etc).

Re:sad state of affairs (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 3 years ago | (#36740740)

I keep XP because 7's UI is generally clumsier. Mind you, 7 does have some nice things but they aren't must-have features yet, in my opinion.

Re:sad state of affairs (1)

Killall -9 Bash (622952) | about 3 years ago | (#36740766)

windows 7 is a bugfix of the performance issues in Vista.

What bug did windows 7 fix?

The bug that caused background services that are only supposed to run when the computer is idle (defrag, shadow volume copy, windows search, etc.) to run whenever the fuck they feel like it.

I was google-ing "windows vista HDD light" furiously by one week into vista ownership. So were a lot of other people.

Now is the time. (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 3 years ago | (#36740122)

We are migrating to 64 bit Windows 7 this month, and if you have to stay with MS, now is the time to do it. 32 bit XP support in some apps and games is starting to slip to "also will run". SP1 is out, Vista has been passed over, and 7 is much easier to maintain and runs on what is now the cheapest hardware, AND will run some Win32 apps better than Vista, from my experience. Might as well start now, since they still are not going to add any new features or compatibilities to XP (and haven't in a while), only providing some security fixes that tend to make the systems run even slower.

I'd be willing to pay $100 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36740124)

I'd be willing to pay $100 if they would extend it another 3 years. It'd be less hassle than an upgrade. Also, it works on my slower older hardware. I don't want to buy new hardware. If they won't take my money, then I'll consider Linux or a Mac. I'd be leaning towards Linux since I hate Apple's 'tude.

Re:I'd be willing to pay $100 (1)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about 3 years ago | (#36740276)

You can buy a used desktop that will run Win7 no problems for $100. I've seen NEW computers as low as $200. No excuses.

Re:I'd be willing to pay $100 (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#36740310)

You can buy a used desktop that will run Win7 no problems for $100.

But then you have to pay another $100 for Windows 7.

Details please (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36740360)

You can buy a used desktop that will run Win7 no problems for $100.

Can one buy such used desktop PCs in quantity, or are you talking about watching Craigslist for a couple weeks waiting for a deal?

I've seen NEW computers as low as $200.

Link please. Windows 7 costs $200 by itself.

Where? (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 3 years ago | (#36740724)

I haven't even seen netbooks for that price, let alone a desktop with 4 gigs of RAM...

Bit Question, (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | about 3 years ago | (#36740170)


Does this Mean XP 64Bit Edition.
If so I am going to be pissed. There is not SP3 even yet for 64Bit XP.
Sure some of you may hate it, But I has it's uses for Certian Software.

Re:Bit Question, (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 3 years ago | (#36740230)

But I has it's uses for Certian Software.

Well then the Certian's probably need to upgrade their software.

Re:Bit Question, (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 3 years ago | (#36740298)

I thought Certian went out of business years ago...

Re:Bit Question, (1)

Spad (470073) | about 3 years ago | (#36740364)

There never will be an SP3 for XP 64-bit; it's based on the Server 2003 64-bit kernel and co-opts its service packs and updates.

My understanding is that its support ends on 08/04/2014 (UK date format, so April 2014).

Re:Bit Question, (1)

confused one (671304) | about 3 years ago | (#36740386)

April 2014 [microsoft.com]

Re:Bit Question, (1)

Dynedain (141758) | about 3 years ago | (#36740432)

I went through this. If your software is 64bit and runs on XP 64, then it probably has a newer (or even the same) version that runs better on Win7 64bit. Skip Vista.

Re:Bit Question, (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 3 years ago | (#36740434)

Officially it's the same date as regular XP. However XP64 is really Server 2003, so I'm a bit surprised it won't be supported until 2015 like the rest of the Server 2003 lineup.

The fact that it's Server 2003 is also why there's no SP3. XP64 SP2 is its "SP3".

2007 called, they want their MS announcements back (2)

davidwr (791652) | about 3 years ago | (#36740412)

Microsoft announced back in 2007 or 2006 that Windows XP Pro would be supported until 2014. In 2007, they extended XP Home and Media Center support to 2014.

This is not news (4, Informative)

Bacon Bits (926911) | about 3 years ago | (#36740524)

This gadget was released months ago. I've had it on my Windows 7 desktop at work since May at least.

And before all the whargarbl about MS dropping support... Windows XP was released in 2001. No consumer OS has been supported that long, and few enterprise OSs are. Since Windows 7 was released (that was 2 years ago) netbooks and low end systems have shipped with Windows 7 Starter. XP has not been sold on systems for years, and a four years of security support is not bad at all.

Earlier the same year XP was released, Red Hat 7.1 came out. That's the first version of Red Hat to use the 2.4 kernel (7 had the 2.2 kernel). Later in 2001 they released 7.2, which as a new feature offered support for the ext3 file system. One of the major selling points of XP, you may remember, was the fact that it offered full native USB support. It's time to move on, people.

XP rocks and ALL the others are pale in comparison (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | about 3 years ago | (#36740538)

I have 6 XP Machines and 2 Win 7 machines, I HATE Win 7.
Microsoft blows goats and the goats are not happy!

I'd settle for 5 years of support... (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 3 years ago | (#36740598)

... with the clock starting the day the last "consumer" or "OEM-to-consumer" license was sold to a consumer.

On the other hand, I do applaud Microsoft for extending security bug fixes for XP Home well beyond the release of Vista, even though they originally were going to cut off support for "home" versions of XP in 2009 or earlier.

*Those buying through "Certified" corporate accounts on special programs, developer programs, and the like should be able to buy or get-as-part-of-the-package licenses to products in the last 5 years or even discontinued products.

No more updates... (2)

WLAJ (1104619) | about 3 years ago | (#36740632)

Only three years until XP is finally stable? That certainly is good news!

Need for XP (1)

Msdose (867833) | about 3 years ago | (#36740704)

I wouldn't buy a new computer that didn't run XP. Good thing there's plenty on eBay.

Can I still activate? (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 3 years ago | (#36740708)

And if so, how? If you can't activate the software is worthless. I know lots of people running Win9X still (old games mostly, but some old software too).

Re:Can I still activate? (2)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 3 years ago | (#36740970)

Make sure you have a few VM images created before 2014.

Biting The Hand That Feeds You (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36741116)

Microsoft has discontinued support for operating systems that ordinary people purchased in good faith in the passed. Each time they do this, larger and larger segments of the population discover that they don't really need Microsoft at all! I will be speaking with my son,as well as my friends who are more technologically literate than I currently am. I don't know at what point this will affect me adversely, (I am still using Windows 98 at work since I am not allowed to change the operating system myself and I am not a high enough priority to my technical department to justify the upgrade in hardware that it would take to install and run a more modern operating system) but whenever it does, I will simply transfer all of my systems to a different operating system. Perhaps the Google android system will be available by then, or maybe I will end up with one of those nice Linux shells, but anytime a commercial venture starts dictating what they will and will not do for their customers, it is time to seriously consider my continued support for that company. End of story!

Are it Dept.s that needy? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 3 years ago | (#36741126)

I haven't needed Microsoft's support for my copy of XP for the last 10 years... why should I in the next 3?

Um... except for that time it "forgot" its activation, and I ended up having to call some guy in India. Thanks, Microsoft.

My bank (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 3 years ago | (#36741190)

I was at my bank (a big Canadian one) and the manager told me that they finally upgraded to XP. I was to stunned to ask what they upgraded from.

Final Rollup? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36741310)

I wonder if there will be a final "rollup" of all the security/updates up to that point. I run XP on an older laptop (which may or may not support Win7), and on a virtual machine. Should I need to reinstall, it would be nice to know I'd still be able to use SP3+ the "last of the updates" up to the final date...

System Requirements for Countdown Gadget is Vista+ (1)

StonyUK (173886) | about 3 years ago | (#36741330)

The system requirements state Vista or Windows 7 - You can't even install the countdown gadget if you've got XP - you've got to upgrade to trace the slow (but highly CPU, RAM and Disc space efficient) countdown of your peers!

Old news... (1)

kakyoin01 (2040114) | about 3 years ago | (#36741392)

...is old. This came out about if not more than 100 days ago. Unless now it's officially known as a 1,000-day countdown widget instead of a 1,000+ one...
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