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Amazon Plans iPad Competitor (and 2 New Kindles)

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the they'd-have-me-at-daylight-readable dept.

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destinyland writes "Some time in the next 10 weeks, Amazon will release a new Android tablet device, which will compete directly with Apple's iPad, according to the Wall Street Journal. Amazon hopes to leverage the digital content they've already made available online — digital video, music, and ebooks, as well as their new app store for Android devices. The device will ship without a built-in camera, prompting one tablet watcher to report that 'it feels like Amazon is trying to strip it down and bring it in at the lowest cost possible.' Amazon will also release two new versions of the Kindle — one with a touch screen, and one at a lower price." Now if only they'd make it a proper e-reader by including a Pixel Qi (or similar) daylight-readable screen, I'd be sold.

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Ugh (0)

Niris (1443675) | about 3 years ago | (#36768166)

Another new tablet? Probably with a completely different UI than all the others. Going to be bombarded with users asking how to do things or to trouble shoot it, so have to learn ANOTHER set. Already sick of tablets and their non-standardization.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768290)

Here's a suggestion (from a sysadmin with hiring power): spend less time getting worthless certifications and get a real job where you don't have to support consumer devices.

Re:Ugh (1)

Niris (1443675) | about 3 years ago | (#36768394)

Real job will be next year when I'm done with my degree, hence the last part in the signature.

Re:Ugh (2, Funny)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 3 years ago | (#36768588)

There's a lot of BS in Computer Science already we don't need any more.

Re:Ugh (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 3 years ago | (#36769426)

I'm a little concerned about a company that sells electronic media, then on the whim of someone, reaches out and deletes said media from all of its client base. I think I'd wait on any purchase from Amazon...

Re:Ugh (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769662)

I'm a little concerned about a company that sells electronic media, then on the whim of someone, reaches out and deletes said media from all of its client base. I think I'd wait on any purchase from Amazon...

It wasn't on a whim. Someone uploaded a copyright file to the Kindle Store that they did not have the right to do so with, thinking it was out of copyright. Technically it is out of copyright were the uploader resides (Canada), and should be out of copyright in the US, but that's another discussion entirely, and I think we'd all be preaching to the choir with that one. At the point they got a legal nastygram about the book, they were required to remove it. Not only that, to protect themselves from being a provider of stolen merchandise -- the closest analogue to what they unwittingly did -- they had to make a good faith effort to resolve the situation. The best way to do this was to send a remote file delete command. Was it an ideal solution? No. Ideally they would have sent an alert to those who bought the item giving them a few days notice, then deleted the item. I get them occasionally when my debit card craps out after I buy something off the Kindle store on the Kindle itself, it looks like a book with the title "There has been a problem with a recent purchase", letting you know you need to look at Amazon's account page for more information. They could have sent a similar one, "Urgent Notice Regarding your recent purchase of 1982" with a warning that the file was in fact, illegal, and they had to get rid of it. I know it's technologically possible -- now, anyway. It might not have been so at that time. I am under the impression that they made a good faith effort to appease the people who purchased the book, I seem to remember them offering free deadtree versions of the book for anyone who complained, but I might be wrong. But you do have to understand that Amazon's current business model is completely dependent on making good faith gestures towards the content resellers. If they pissed off a publisher and they said "welp, no more Kindle sales for us, we're going to do our own thing," then Amazon would be in trouble. This is the same reason Netflix is trying to pass off a huge price hike to it's users. Basically, Hollywood, being the oh so greedy and humble jackasses they are, are trying to push a 1200% license increase onto Netflix for streaming their content -- ultimately, the studios want to make as much as a theater ticket for each and every single person who streams a movie. Netflix can't really fight back, outside of trying to talk some sense into them (good luck with that), so they're just having to adjust and try to not go under before Hollywood gets a clue.

Re:Ugh (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769688)

As a quick aside, there was a LOT more whitespace in that before Slashdot got ahold of it. Turning off the new slow-as-molasses ajax nightmare posting system royally breaks things.

Re:Ugh (1)

Count Fenring (669457) | about 3 years ago | (#36770676)

1982? The little known prequel? ;-)

Re:Ugh (1)

painandgreed (692585) | about 3 years ago | (#36770932)

Here's a suggestion (from a sysadmin with hiring power): spend less time getting worthless certifications and get a real job where you don't have to support consumer devices.

Good change of subject. True management material. Deflect the issue and attack!

Re:Ugh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768312)

Going to be bombarded with users asking how to do things or to trouble shoot it, so have to learn ANOTHER set.

WTF? Do you learn all the controls for their other devices too? "Oh yeah, you need to set spin cycle three to get jeans dry in your washing machine, now I just need to help Bob with his SatNav before I'll have a chance to look at your motorboat".

Re:Ugh (0)

Niris (1443675) | about 3 years ago | (#36768420)

When you work in shit retail support, it helps to know everything in the "computer department" because every hick and their family members are going to come over to ask questions on everything.

Re:Ugh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768464)

Try working in most places in the US.

IT are treated like shit. And because they're viewed as "disposable" by the shitheaded subhuman MBA PHB-types, it's either deal with it, or wind up unemployed in the 20% unemployment Bush and the Retardicans gave us.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768788)

You clearly dislike your job, so instead of complaining about it on the internet, why don't you man up and go apply to McDonald's?

Re:Ugh (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 3 years ago | (#36769950)

every hick and their family members are going to come over to ask questions on everything.

You're a classist buffoon.

The next time you look down your nose at a "hick," bear in mind he's probably thinking, "Thank God I've got a real job that let's me work normal hours and pays enough to raise a family -- not like that rude hipster stuck in retail."

Re:Ugh (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 years ago | (#36768344)

It's an Android tablet, so it'll probably be as easy to use as other Android tablets, phones etc. Do you find Android devices complicated to use?

Re:Ugh (1)

Niris (1443675) | about 3 years ago | (#36768376)

They're generally easy to use, until someone has a problem and you have to find where different settings are that may be causing the issue, or if it's a problem with a specific app that doesn't want to play nice.

Re:Ugh (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36768404)

If they are not company owned why are you doing this?
If they are company owned this sounds like something helpdesk grunts can handle.

UI replacements on Android (2)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36768396)

Do you find Android devices complicated to use?

Yes, when customizations by the manufacturer or carrier overcomplicate the UI. It's also complicated to find apps for entry-level Android-powered devices whose manufacturers don't pay Google for Android Market access.

Re:Ugh (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36768402)

A tablet that has an interface already used by million, and ti will(probably) be cheaper then the iPad to get all those people who want tables but the iPad is out of their price range.

If you can't pick up any tablet on the market right now, and be able to use it, then for the love of god, stay the hell out of computer software. We don't need more people like you.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768540)

And the next generation user interface/experience will have been dumbed down/simplified especially for the people who couldn't figure out the old one. And everyone else will also have to use it.

Re:Ugh (1)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | about 3 years ago | (#36768724)

cheaper then the iPad to get all those people who want tables but the iPad is out of their price range.

I may be dense, but why would anyone want an iPad for a table?

Okay. It was a cheap shot. I'm sorry.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768860)

Studio apartment?

Re:Ugh (1)

rwool (1529749) | about 3 years ago | (#36768624)

Another new tablet? Probably with a completely different UI than all the others. Going to be bombarded with users asking how to do things or to trouble shoot it, so have to learn ANOTHER set. Already sick of tablets and their non-standardization.

no doubt there are more to come it will be at least a year (if we are lucky) if not longer before some type of standardization is used among all tablets

Re:Ugh (1)

arisvega (1414195) | about 3 years ago | (#36768716)

Already sick of tablets and their non-standardization.

Standardization is for insects.

Re:Ugh (0)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 years ago | (#36769124)

In case you hadnt gotten the clue yet, no one cares what your certs are here, especially with a UID like that. You might as well have a flashing neon banner saying 'Im a noob who needs 3rd parties to make my skillset marketable" for a sig. IN the real world people care what you can do, not what hoops you have run through in the past. Honest to god, Ive seen hobbies listed on a resume more interesting then your string of alphabet soup

Im not trying ot be a jerk, I would just like to know what you think that sig accomplishes? Yes yes i COULD turn off sigs, but what fun would that be?? IM really not trying to be Offtopic, its just hard to take anything you say seriously with a sig like that.

P.S. Non-standarization is what keeps us geeks employed. Believe me you dont want a future of zero-config because you will quickly be out of a job, especially when all your certs point to you being a life long cubicle drone and not someone that will chart his own course.

Re:Ugh (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | about 3 years ago | (#36769356)

Another new tablet? Probably with a completely different UI than all the others. Going to be bombarded with users asking how to do things or to trouble shoot it, so have to learn ANOTHER set. Already sick of tablets and their non-standardization.

Apple are trying their hardest to get rid of standards, whether its trying to patent parts of HTML 5 or suing anyone with a vaguely similar UI. It's going to be hardly their own fault to not want to give half their profits to Apple via lawyers.

Price War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768216)

Will this start the price war on tablets? Great! I don't care about a built-in "web cam".

Re:Price War? (1)

Necroman (61604) | about 3 years ago | (#36768348)

Doubt it. Samsung had to push out the release of their Galaxy Tab 10.1 because Apple's iPad 2 had better specs and they were able to sell it at a lower price.

I wouldn't expect these devices to drop too much in price. The most this competition will do is cause tablet makers to produce lower end tablets.

kindle started it all (0)

StripedCow (776465) | about 3 years ago | (#36768358)

The Amazon Kindle was there before Apple's iPad, and started the whole tablet craze. It is not the other way around, like the article seems to suggest!

Re:kindle started it all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768408)

Perhaps they started it but apple has a nice success on their hands... That we in the tech industry did not think would happen. If it had their desktop OS on there I would have snapped one up myself. But I like to get my OCD on and arrange icons all the time :)

Re:kindle started it all (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36768432)

No ti didn't. I mean is was out, but no one wanted a tablet' until the iPad. well, the VAST majority of people.

They are not really comparable. one is a device designed for a specific task, the other is a multipurpose portable computer.

Re:kindle started it all (2, Insightful)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | about 3 years ago | (#36768684)

No ti didn't. I mean is was out, but no one wanted a tablet' until the iPad. well, the VAST majority of people.

They are not really comparable. one is a device designed for a specific task, the other is a multipurpose portable computer.

I have trouble calling the iPad a computer. Can you save files on its harddrive? Not directly. Can you word process on it? Not really. Can you edit pictures on it? Not very effectively. Can you program/create things on it? Not that I've ever seen.

Can you explain to me how it's a portable computer instead of an oversized phone? When would I need an iPad that I wouldn't be able to use a netbook?

Re:kindle started it all (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | about 3 years ago | (#36768752)

The hell you can't save a file to the iPad.

If you took 5-10 minutes and installed some apps, even free ones, you can do all the things you say you can't do on an iPad.

Just because you don't have the patience or knowledge to do something doesn't mean it can't be done.

Re:kindle started it all (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 3 years ago | (#36768780)

You have to install an app to save things to your iPad? Wow I must get me one of those [/sarcasm]

Re:kindle started it all (2)

Telvin_3d (855514) | about 3 years ago | (#36769406)

If you don't have any apps, what are you saving? The pictures you are not editing? The text files you are not writing?

Re:kindle started it all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768834)

Can you save files on its harddrive? Not directly.

I'm not sure what "directly" means, but you can save files and open files.

A jailbreak version gives you a filemanager and other things.

Can you word process on it? Not really

Sure. There's lots of those apps. Among others: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id364361728?mt=8 [apple.com] and http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/pages/id361309726?mt=8 [apple.com]

The real "limitation" is the keyboard, but there are wireless keyboards for serious typing.

Can you edit pictures on it? Not very effectively.

I'm not sure the threshold for "effectively" but you certainly can. And for some designers, it's really no different than their input tablets.
For example, http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photogene-for-ipad/id363448251?mt=8 [apple.com]

Can you program/create things on it? Not that I've ever seen.

There are code editors:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/for-i-code-editor-for-the-ipad/id363493710?mt=8 [apple.com]

There are even compilers for jailbroken ipads.

Re:kindle started it all (1)

painandgreed (692585) | about 3 years ago | (#36771072)

Can you explain to me how it's a portable computer instead of an oversized phone? When would I need an iPad that I wouldn't be able to use a netbook?

Simple. You're a techie, perhaps and old techie set in you ways, and you just don't see where computers are going. You're the IBM greybeard that could never imagine a computer in every home because they took up too much space, too much power, and ran specialized programs that no average person could want. Your phone probably is a already a computer with a phone function that does way more than your first computer ever did and better. What it does may not be what you want to do, but you are the minority. I'm sure you didn't listen to Steve Jobs last speech where he said he was trying to get rid of the file system. That there is no file system that can be viewed and manipulated isn't preventing the iPhone or iPad from being a computer, it's a feature that they are working hard to achieve. When it comes down to it, most people don't want to manipulate all 30k of their mp3s into their own folders organized how they want. They just want to load them into a program that does all that for them and play them. If the program in question doesn't work they way they want, they'll get a different program to handle all that for them. The iPad could run some sort of CLI and do all the things that computers used to do, but the consumers don't want that. Face it, the UI is changing. The filesystem and guts of a computer are being hidden from people, but that doesn't mean it's not a computer.

For what you want, there will be special models, developer machines, pet projects for which, 99% of the world could care less about. Not saying I agree with it or like it, but that's how I see it. I was wondering when the iOS would crack and the demand for some sort of file system would force it to appear. However, after listening to Jobs speak, I know it won't. They will just put more effort into making sure all of that is handled in the background till it is not longer an issue.

In car allegory, computers are moving from type that anybody with knowledge could work on and change the oil to the type that do what they are meant to do and when something goes wrong you take it into the shop where they have the tools to read the errors in the chips log and do everything for you. For those hobbiests that really want to work on their own engines and change their own oil, it will be possible with the right tools, special brands, or old models, but those won't matter to the majority of the market.

Re:kindle started it all (4, Insightful)

Moridineas (213502) | about 3 years ago | (#36768444)

What about the Newton? What about those brick thick tablets in the 90s/early 2000s that you could draw on?

I have a Kindle and an iPad. I read books on both. The Kindle experience is, imho, far better. The Kindle is great, but the Kindle is not a general purpose tablet. The iPad is. It's absolutely fair to say that the iPad started the current tablet craze.

Re:kindle started it all (1)

Count Fenring (669457) | about 3 years ago | (#36770690)

Kindle isn't a tablet - it's a dedicated e-Reader. It has close to zero similarity to the tablet form factor - it's not a general computing device, it's not touch screen, etc, etc.

huh? (4, Insightful)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about 3 years ago | (#36768360)

Now if only they'd make it a proper e-reader by including a Pixel Qi (or similar) daylight-readable screen, I'd be sold.

Huh? Make what a proper ereader? The Kindle? The kindle eInk is easily readable in broad daylight. It's useless in the dark.Or are you talking about the tablet? Your syntax is unclear. Please rephrase.

Re:huh? (1)

awyeah (70462) | about 3 years ago | (#36768418)

Yes, please elaborate. My kindle is the current generation and it's perfectly readable in broad daylight.

Re:huh? (1)

gubers33 (1302099) | about 3 years ago | (#36768422)

Completely agree. I have read my Kindle on a the beach with zero clouds in the sky and bright as could be and it read like a book.

Kindle is black and white (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36768424)

The Kindle?

Black and white. Is there a Kindle model with a daylight-readable screen useful for, say, children's picture books or other material that relies on color?

Re:Kindle is black and white (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 3 years ago | (#36768570)

What I'd like to see is a large color e-ink panel that can be cut to size and targeted at hobbyists. Doesn't need to be fast, even a refresh of a second or two would be alright.

Re:Kindle is black and white (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770000)

It's called a Nook Color

Re:huh? (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | about 3 years ago | (#36768438)

I think what the parent wants is a full strength Android-based tablet/eReader with an eInk touchscreen. I would love to see that come to market!

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768450)

The link explains all: http://www.pixelqi.com/

Re:huh? (1)

subreality (157447) | about 3 years ago | (#36770856)

What the link doesn't explain is that the Pixel Qi doesn't have as good of contrast as eInk, and it's black and white when it's in reflective mode. For an ebook, I'd say that's a poor tradeoff. IMO the Kindle already has the best ebook display with current technology.

Re:huh? (1)

jfengel (409917) | about 3 years ago | (#36768456)

Presumably, destinyland is seeking a tablet which also has the the ability to be read in sunlight like a Kindle. This is set up as a competitor to the iPad, which doesn't behave particularly well in sunlight.

It's a tablet rather than a dedicated e-reader, and since tablets can run programs that require fast response times (which the Kindle's screen can't do), they're hoping for the best of both worlds.

Re:huh? (2)

destinyland (578448) | about 3 years ago | (#36768602)

Hey! Destinyland didn't say that. Timothy did.

Sincerely,

Destinyland

Re:huh? (1)

jfengel (409917) | about 3 years ago | (#36768796)

I stand corrected. Sorry about that; having the inane ramblings of a Slashdot editor attributed to me would be very upsetting.

Re:huh? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36768614)

He means the tablet. And it's a bad idea - it was already tried with Notion Ink Adam, and PQi was found very lacking compared to current generation of eInk in terms of contrast.

Re:huh? (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769188)

And eInk has terrible refresh times. On a smaller older reader a human could read the page faster than they could refresh. On current eink this is not true, but they all seem to do that terrible flash to black then the text thing.

Re:huh? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36769410)

It is very subjective. I find the refresh time and method on last-generation Kindles to be fast enough to not annoy me, but then I've been using eInk readers for over 3 years now.

Anyway, no-one is proposing to use eInk for general-purpose tablets. My point was that adding PixelQi to a tablet will not magically make it a good e-reader - it's too low-contrast to read indoors, and in direct sunlight you'll get glare on the glass that'll also drown out the screen. At best, you're going to get something of roughly the same contrast as 3-year-old eInk readers, which is to say, not all that good. And, on the other hand, the quality of normal (non-reflective) mode will suffer.

Best just stick to IPS as iPad does, and make a solid reader app. It's good enough for most, and us bookworms will buy a separate eInk device anyway, and consider the tablet on its merits as a tablet.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768748)

The reason I love my Kindle-3 (e-ink) is because I use it exactly like my real books. Under the sun, in the pool or on the beach, or even in the dark with the same reading lamp I always had. No eye fatigue, pages similar in size than a pocket-book, I can change fonts and read PDF magazines.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768836)

Now if only they'd make it a proper e-reader by including a Pixel Qi (or similar) daylight-readable screen, I'd be sold.

The screen of my first 3G+wifi Kindle (bought in January) died in April. I got a replacement whose screen died late in June. I was extra cautious with my second kindle. I am on my 3rd kindle (got replacements each time) now and I fear when this one will give way. The same problem was faced by my friend whose kindle died within 1 month (and he wasn't even using it enough). I'd rather have them make more reliable devices. IMHO, they are already aware of the issue and that's why they have a dysfunctional screen option when you choose to return the device. Instead of recalling their duds, may be they are hoping to create more goodwill by offering free replacements to customers.

New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

willoughby (1367773) | about 3 years ago | (#36768410)

No EPUB, no sd card slot... no sale.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | about 3 years ago | (#36768618)

EPUB is understandable, but software like Calibre can easily convert it to MOBI. SD Card is moot. The Kindle now comes with 4GB of memory. Few books are bigger then a few hundred kb, and you should use something else for music.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

MimeticLie (1866406) | about 3 years ago | (#36768884)

and you should use something else for music.

Why? Why is it preferable to carry around yet another device than to expect the same level of functionality provided by the Kindle's competitors?

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769146)

Because, whatever Amazon says, a Kindle isn't exactly pocketable...

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36769974)

You already carry a device that can play music in your pocket - it's called a "cell phone".

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (2)

dakameleon (1126377) | about 3 years ago | (#36770814)

Because a specialist device doesn't need to and shouldn't compete with more generalist devices?

You can stick to the philosophy of "Do one thing, do it well" and still endure. Attempting to be a jack of all trades chasing competitors for ancillary features shouldn't be important if you know what you're selling should sell on its own merits.

I use my Kindle for reading, and my iPhone for music - I charge my Kindle once a month, my iPhone daily. Two separate but complimentary devices.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (0)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | about 3 years ago | (#36769566)

your statement sounds just like what the CEO's of failing consumer electronic device companies would say.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770980)

your statement sounds just like what the CEO's of failing consumer electronic device companies would say.

Or what Steve Jobs would say:

- You don't need Flash, or the ability to play FLAC or WMA or WMV files
- You don't need an SD card, we have lots of built-in memory

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

LtGordon (1421725) | about 3 years ago | (#36770274)

I'm actually in the same boat where 4 GB and no expandability is less than ideal. I am a huge fan of being able to load and read PDF documents onto an e-reader, which can easily hit 20+ MB each.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

willoughby (1367773) | about 3 years ago | (#36770878)

That SD card slot isn't just for capacity, it's also a separate partition. I can slide an SD card loaded with pirate copies of George Orwells "1984" into my Nook and Barnes & Noble can't even see them, much less delete them. With the Kindle... well, we know what happens. Amazon has the Kindle set up so they can see everything on it and take "appropriate action" ("but we'll never do it again")

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768694)

Buy a nook.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

chispito (1870390) | about 3 years ago | (#36768992)

Well, there is this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304569504576403291417417796.html#ixzz1S7TijLao

"A spokeswoman for Amazon said, "We're working closely with Pottermore to make sure Kindle customers will be able to buy and read J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books."

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about 3 years ago | (#36770298)

If this is true, paper books are pretty much dead to me.

Re:New Kindle.. we'll see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770434)

No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame

Touchscreen....No Thanks! (3, Interesting)

Fool106 (977984) | about 3 years ago | (#36768494)

Am I the only one who doesn't want a touchscreen kindle? I do not want to see my finger prints all over the screen while I try to read a book.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (4, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#36768534)

Am I the only one who doesn't want a touchscreen kindle? I do not want to see my finger prints all over the screen while I try to read a book.

Ditto. I suspect most people demanding touchscreens have never actually used one for long.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (0)

rolfwind (528248) | about 3 years ago | (#36768900)

Used my iPhone for 2 years now. Bought parents an iPad2 a while back. I have no problems with fingerprints. The light from the screen usually diminishes the impact if you are viewing the screen head on (and as a personal device, why wouldn't you be?) It's more visible when off or from the side. My glasses give me more problems with blurriness and I wash them at least daily if not more because it bothers me. My phone, once in a blue moon.

I hope Amazon brings a good tablet out though, competiton and choice are always better.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769022)

Used my iPhone for 2 years now. Bought parents an iPad2 a while back. I have no problems with fingerprints. The light from the screen usually diminishes the impact

He was talking about a potential touchscreen Kindle. An e-ink device. There wouldn't be any light from the screen except reflected ambient light so what you're saying wouldn't apply.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 3 years ago | (#36769216)

Oh, I didn't think Amazon would release an E-ink touch screen tablet to compete with ipad, even disregarding this fingerprint issue, the refresh rate would be unsatisfactory for anything else but reading books, and would be doubly bad for responding quickly to direct touch commands.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769336)

I read my kindle books on my nexus S, and I never notice a smudge.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770070)

Wash the cheesy poofs remnants off your hands before using your tablet. Also occasionally wipe down your tablet screen.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770472)

I have the kindle app on my ipad 2 and hate it - it is too easy to bump the screen and turn the page unintentionally. I'll stick with my kindle 2 with it's easy to use physical buttons that require an intentional press to turn a page..

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36768634)

It would still have physical keys to flip pages, I'd imagine (like all those Sony readers), which is what you use 99% of the time, so there wouldn't be many fingerprints. Touch would be for picking a book from the bookshelf, and also for browsing the book store - and it does make sense there.

What worries me is whether they'll be able to maintain the high contrast ratio. When Sony went for touchscreens, their screens did become somewhat darker.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (3, Informative)

steveg (55825) | about 3 years ago | (#36768744)

When Barnes and Noble announced the new touchscreen Nook, one of my objections on various forums was about the reduction in clarity that came with touchscreens. A number of people told me that, while that was a problem with the 1st gen Sony touchscreens, the newer Pearl touchscreens used a different process and there was no optical penalty for the touchscreen part.

You'd still have to deal with the fact that it's a touchscreen, and I'm not too enthusiastic about that, but it seems that clarity is no longer the problem it was.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#36768910)

That's good to hear!

You'd still have to deal with the fact that it's a touchscreen, and I'm not too enthusiastic about that

Why not, so long as they do the same think Nook did and keep the page flip buttons?

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

steveg (55825) | about 3 years ago | (#36768650)

You're not the only one. I was interested in the new Nook until I found it was a touchscreen.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (2)

mlts (1038732) | about 3 years ago | (#36768690)

You are not the only one. I much rather have buttons on a bookreader, especially for page turning, and not have to worry about fingerprints. The Kindle is a decent form factor for holding like a novel.

The Kindle is a bookreader. Having Web browser functionality is nice, because sometimes clicking on a link in text to do something may prove fruitful.

However, if the Kindle turns into a touch screen tablet, it will just be a face in a herd, and lose the usefulness that made it a sellout item in the first place. We have a ton of touch screen tablets.

What Amazon should do instead is get the Kindle to work with the epub format, add a SD card slot, so if someone wants 32 GB, they can have it. Since Amazon also has a decent cloud store, why not offer to stream/download from that as well? This doesn't need anything fancy on the screen, although AT&T may not like Whispernet being used for this.

Amazon should not lose what makes the Kindle great, and that is the ease of reading books with it, regardless of light. If they make the Kindle into another tablet, they will lose their market because they will be just another generic iPad competitor.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

Fool106 (977984) | about 3 years ago | (#36768850)

I completely agree with trying to make Kindle another tablet! It's a book reader for god's sake. The one thing I want it to do it does well. I have the 2nd gen Kindle and did not want to buy the current generation since mine works great still. I wanted to skip a generation until I upgraded my Kindle. Now I'm not so sure I want to upgrade if they release a touchscreen version.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

demonlapin (527802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769174)

What Amazon should do instead is get the Kindle to work with the epub format, add a SD card slot, so if someone wants 32 GB, they can have it. Since Amazon also has a decent cloud store, why not offer to stream/download from that as well? This doesn't need anything fancy on the screen, although AT&T may not like Whispernet being used for this.

Money, money, money: Amazon has no reason to put things in ePub because it owns the Mobipocket format and its DRM. (However, since Mobipocket is a clearly-described standard, I really can't figure out what it is that people want to do with ePub that they can't with Mobi - except check out library books.) Adding an SD slot costs money, and Amazon has been absolutely dedicated to getting the price down ASAP (it's almost certain that the device will experience a huge jump in purchases once it can be sold below $100). And streaming over Whispernet will never happen because Amazon has to pay AT&T for all that data usage - they'd have to charge a per-byte fee if it ever were used for anything more than book delivery and the very occasional Wikipedia lookup.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769378)

And social media.

Re:Touchscreen....No Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36770994)

the kindle has a matte screen. pretty tough to see fingerprints/smudges when it's on or off.

i split my reading time on the ipad and kindle.. touchscreen would be pretty cool. half the time i tap the screen out of habit.

No sale until I have control (2)

Anomalyst (742352) | about 3 years ago | (#36768574)

Bozo will not have the ability to push his whims down my throat. I paid for it. It is MINE.

Re:No sale until I have control (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 3 years ago | (#36768960)

As far as he's concerned it's just an Amazon Point-of-Sale -- to the extent that it'll probably be free or heavily subsidized to Prime members.

I bet he's going to do a much better job delivering a quality Android tablet than Samsung or Verizon, however. Amazon is just much better at retailing good consumer experiences, like Apple.

Re:No sale until I have control (1)

demonlapin (527802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769190)

If you turn the wireless off, he'll never know it exists. You don't even have to register it to an account in order to use it. Sideloads work just fine. It's yours to do with as you please.

Re:No sale until I have control (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769370)

Then don't use whisper net.

Re:No sale until I have control (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769392)

I'm assuming you don't have a car? Don't have an ISP, don't have any product with a EULA?

because all those people are pushing there whims on you.

Another tablet and a confusing product lineup (0)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 3 years ago | (#36768644)

Oh joy, yet another Android tablet to muck up the already confusing and fragmented Android tablet market. Another Android tablet with yet another interface and yet more bloatware. I hope they at least bother to release any code that falls under GPL - As is well known, this is not a popular thing to do. They are only helping Apple, not competing, by throwing another Android tablet into the watered down mix.
As far as Kindle, it just sounds like they are making for a confusing product lineup.

Re:Another tablet and a confusing product lineup (1)

city (1189205) | about 3 years ago | (#36768872)

God forbid we have choices when buying a tablet.

Re:Another tablet and a confusing product lineup (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 3 years ago | (#36769390)

"God forbid we have choices when buying a tablet."


Choices? We have a deluge of devices trying to be based on a single platform while going to far trying to be there own propriety system. The Android market is a confusing mess.

Interesting but (1)

Gonoff (88518) | about 3 years ago | (#36768946)

I will only buy one if they stop paying criminal blackmailers, Perhaps others do not want any of their cash being redirected towards protection rackets...

Hurray for Foxconn of Shenzhen! (1)

retroworks (652802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769636)

Along with "Polaroid", they have another "Manufacturer", called "Amazon", to contract assembly with. I can't wait to get the "Aunt Jemima", "Uncle Ben's" or "Cap'n Crunch" kindle.

Misleading title (1)

arisvega (1414195) | about 3 years ago | (#36769952)

If you (*clears throat*) RTFA, you will perhaps agree with me that instead of stating

"Amazon Plans iPad Competitor (and 2 New Kindles)"

it would be more appropriate to say

"Amazon Plans 2 New Kindles (and iPad Competitor)"

Anyway, given a fair price and connectivity, I am game if it;

a) can be read under direct sunlight,

b) has a refresh rate slightly above pathetic, and

c) has a rudimentary operating system that I can mess around with (and am officially allowed to do so).

A sensible set of demands I got there, would you not agree?

Will they make a clean break from Google? (1)

golemite (69787) | about 3 years ago | (#36770290)

They have their own app store, music, movies and more. All they have to do is license a mapping app and this could be a major non Google Android device..

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