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After a Decade, Mac Sales Again Top 10%

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the in-many-ways-never-really-went-away dept.

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GMGruman writes "The last time Apple's Mac sales accounted for more than 10 percent of the U.S. PC market was 1991. This spring, Apple finally returned to that market share high, with 10.7 percent of all U.S. PC sales, according to both IDC and Gartner. That's a major reversal from its 2004 share of under 2 percent. The sales report comes after some other good news this week for Apple: A third of big businesses now let employees choose a Mac as their PC — and more than half choose the Mac."

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410 comments

Wait what? A Decade? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768892)

Since when does 20 years = 1 decade?

Re:Wait what? A Decade? (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 3 years ago | (#36768922)

Since when does 20 years = 1 decade?

The title should read "After a Baker's Decade, ...".

Re:Wait what? A Decade? (1)

camperslo (704715) | about 3 years ago | (#36768938)

Perhaps this method of counting is an attempt to delay Y3K problems?

Re:Wait what? A Decade? (4, Funny)

alta (1263) | about 3 years ago | (#36768980)

It's measured in some odd recursive binary.

10 in binary is 2
and so it's' recursive like PHP, 10 *2 = 20.

So 20 this is a recursive binary decade.

2011 - 1991 = 20. (5, Informative)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about 3 years ago | (#36768894)

That's TWO decades.

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (1)

fzuoul (2373030) | about 3 years ago | (#36768976)

+1 Anyway, I don't see them as viable with their pricing and their warranty for big business. They just cost too darn much.

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769002)

Lack of onsite service and mail ahead parts makes them non-starters for business use. What do you do just keep a bunch of them around as spares?

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769118)

For large enough businesses you would just get one or two guys trained as certified Apple techs and they can then order replacement parts, direct from Apple to have on hand. It's not that big a deal. I investigated doing just this for a smaller firm I was a part of, but when an Apple store opened up less than a mile away it didn't make sense anymore.

http://www.apple.com/support/programs/

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769258)

What does that cost?
Because dell will let our helpdesk folks replace parts and they charge nothing for that. Even 1 mile is too far to hassle with, how long will your employee be gone waiting for that?

Or sign a contract with an independent vendor (2)

brokeninside (34168) | about 3 years ago | (#36769292)

The Apple Store isn't the only game in town for buying Mac service agreements.

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (1)

brokeninside (34168) | about 3 years ago | (#36769262)

Right, and when 2011 is over, it will be /after/ two decades.

Which means that /after a decade/ is not only correct but more correct than /after two decades/.

Re:2011 - 1991 = 20. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769408)

which is more then a decade.

"a decade"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768898)

2011-1991 = two decades, which makes the return more impressive.

After a decade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768906)

I thought 1991 to 2011 would be TWO decades, but math wasn't always my best subject :)

babylonians not impressed (4, Funny)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#36768912)

let me know when you pass 12 percent. silly moderns.

Re:babylonians not impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769028)

+1 Funny :)

6/60 is still impressive (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769244)

Babylonians would probably use sixtieths instead of percent, making the milestone 6/60:

The last time Apple's Mac sales account for more than 6 sixtieths of the U.S. PC market was 1991. This spring, Apple finally returned to that market share high, with 6.4 sixtieths of all U.S. PC sales, according to both IDC and Gartner. That's a major reversal from its 2004 share of barely over 1 sixtieth.

Re:babylonians not impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769438)

let me know when you pass 12 percent. silly moderns.

Don't laugh if they were able to keep up the pace they'd pass PCs by 2020. It may happen either way given an apparent shift away from desktops to Pad type computers and Mac is dominating that market. Macs always had a glass ceiling in the past and so far have never really passed the 10% mark. PC makers will seriously start sweating if they pass 15% or 20% of the market and they are likely to do that since they seem to be growing where as most personal computer sales are shrinking. They may hit 20% based largely on attrition since PC sales are likely to continue to drop.

Unthinking consumer sheep. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768926)

My PC has better hardware than most Macs, and it can run the Mac operating system. It also costs less than the cheapest macbook.

Clueless (0, Troll)

rtkluttz (244325) | about 3 years ago | (#36768928)

It annoys me how clueless people are to choice. No one can argue that Macs have a beautiful interface but it simply is not OK for a person or computer company to dictate that it can't be changed, what apps are OK or not OK, or how to use YOUR device. Get a clue people.

Re:Clueless (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768954)

Fortunately, in the real world, apple doesn't do those things, so there's nothing to worry about.

Re:Clueless (1)

toppavak (943659) | about 3 years ago | (#36768964)

In most of these situations, it isn't your device but often company property and therefore allowed only to run approved applications because it will have access to sensitive company networks. Mac vs windows vs linux security / usability arguments aside, I can see why companies would want to standardize the tools they buy for their employees / have some degree of control over them.

Re:Clueless (5, Insightful)

LordNimon (85072) | about 3 years ago | (#36768966)

it simply is not OK for a person or computer company to dictate that it can't be changed, what apps are OK or not OK, or how to use YOUR device. Get a clue people.

Fortunately, Apple does not do any of these things with Mac desktops or servers. I'm free to change anything I want, I can run any app I want, and I can use my Mac desktop any way I want. So I'm not really sure what your point is.

Re:Clueless (1)

OldTroll (970892) | about 3 years ago | (#36769046)

Really? Try switching where your window controls are located. I'll wait until you get back.

Re:Clueless (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769068)

Can't you run X and any windowing system you want inside that on a mac? Then it would be very simple.

Rootless X11 (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769300)

Fink page [finkproject.org] says that the X11 server that comes with Mac OS X defaults to the quartz-wm window manager, which puts the window controls in the same place as the host window system's window controls. And if you switch your window manager in .xinitrc, it'll only affect X11 apps, not Mac apps.

Re:Rootless X11 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769386)

Changing window managers is not big deal, but it not impacting Mac apps is pretty lame.

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769324)

Then it sort of quits being a Mac

Re:Clueless (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769372)

"Try switching where your window controls are located"
you poor tortured soul.

Re:Clueless (1, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769048)

Apple does not sell servers. The X-serve was discontinued last year, I think.

Apple sells servers (2)

perpenso (1613749) | about 3 years ago | (#36769128)

Apple does not sell servers. The X-serve was discontinued last year, I think.

Apple sells servers, in big tower configurations and in home appliance-like configurations. What they no longer sell is rack mounted servers.

Re:Clueless (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#36769172)

Apple does not sell servers. The X-serve was discontinued last year, I think.

They still have the Mac Mini server [apple.com] for SOHO use. They are out of the enterprise server market, although there's a rumor they are planning a rack mountable version of the Mac Pro. But then there are always Apple rumors.

Re:Clueless (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 3 years ago | (#36769418)

Not to mention they are bringing back the OS X Server with Lion as an add on.

Re:Clueless (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | about 3 years ago | (#36768970)

What the hell are you talking about?

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768972)

It's great then that apple dictate no such thing with the Mac innit?

Re:Clueless (2)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | about 3 years ago | (#36769004)

'Clueless' - how apt. You really have no clue about OSX / UNIX do you?

"it simply is not OK for a person or computer company to dictate that it can't be changed, what apps are OK or not OK, or how to use YOUR device." You know we are talking about Macs, right? Please stand up and defend your statement.

try to compile the 'open source' OSX stuff (0)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#36769112)

oh wait. their entire build environment is proprietary, as are their build tools.

ha ha!

Re:try to compile the 'open source' OSX stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769192)

I didn't know gcc was proprietary. You learn something new every day.

Re:try to compile the 'open source' OSX stuff (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 3 years ago | (#36769266)

"oh wait. their entire build environment is proprietary, as are their build tools." This is one of those statements where one could right an entire essay on how full of shit you are and how and why you are wrong. I'm in a hurry so I'm going to keep it short.

Your statement is full of shit to the point you are not making any sense. Go do some research. Oh crap, did I just feed a troll?

Re:try to compile the 'open source' OSX stuff (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769420)

Is that the reason FreeBSD is replacing GCC with Clang/LLVM mostly developed by Apple? No idea what you are talking about right?

Re:try to compile the 'open source' OSX stuff (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 3 years ago | (#36769454)

Who is this "their" you talk about? I assume you were being sarcastic since I don't have a proprietary build system on my Mac and the build system was provided by Apple. I assume you meant those Windows guys.

Re:Clueless (5, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about 3 years ago | (#36769012)

Yep, nothing says "locked down" more than bundling an IDE with your OS, along with GCC, LLVM, Perl, Java, Python, Ruby...

Re:Clueless (0)

Kenja (541830) | about 3 years ago | (#36769042)

Dont forget BASH and X Window. In fact, I cant think of any other desktop UNIX environment you can get anymore. IRIX and Solaris went the way of the dodo.

Re:Clueless (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769096)

Solaris workstations are still sold. Are workstations not desktops?

Solaris workstations (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769364)

The first result from Google solaris workstation points to a page about the Sun Ray [oracle.com] , not stand-alone desktop computers designed for, say, small office environments

Re:Solaris workstations (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769444)

Damn. I guess you can still buy BSD workstations, which is genetic UNIX even if it is not trademarked as such.

Re:Clueless (1)

camperslo (704715) | about 3 years ago | (#36769020)

You can still boot other OSes or run them in a VM, and there's no requirement to use the App Store to get your apps. We're talking Macs, not iOS devices.

Re:Clueless (3, Insightful)

thestudio_bob (894258) | about 3 years ago | (#36769038)

It annoys me how clueless people are to choice.

Just because people are making a choice you don't like, doesn't make everyone else is clueless.

Re:Clueless (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 3 years ago | (#36769494)

Ironically, the grand parent poster outed himself as clueless.

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769158)

Don't forget to mention how iPods can't play mp3s, how AAC is an apple proprietary codec, and how all music from the iTunes store is DRM encumbered if you're going to run with that.

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769210)

Apple hasn't told me what I can or can't do with any of the half-dozen Macs I've owned. I run the software I want to and Apple doesn't give a rip. Sure my iPhone and iPad have curated App Stores; but, honestly, I prefer that to a free for all. There's a ridiculous amount of stuff to wade through on the "walled garden" App Store. It'd be even worse if there were no restrictions or process.

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769342)

The article is about Mac computers, not the iPhone or iPad devices. Wow you're clueless. Graduate from high school first then you can post on Slashdot.

Re:Clueless (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769448)

The personal computer isn't locked down like that. There is some internal stuff going on that makes it look like that's where Jobs wants to go, but that can change.

Gratz (0, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#36768934)

apple is having another little bubble in its PC sales, maybe they can change architectures and forget how to solder again to correct that

Re:Gratz (0)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769062)

...mod funny...

It IS a PC (2)

liquidweaver (1988660) | about 3 years ago | (#36768948)

Am I the only person delighted that they used PC not exclusively in the Windows context? I don't think the Microsoft campaign to make PC == Windows is an accident.

Re:It IS a PC (2)

kakyoin01 (2040114) | about 3 years ago | (#36768990)

Am I the only person delighted that they used PC not exclusively in the Windows context?

This. The "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercial series twisted what "PC" meant to make it out to be a Windows machine. PC means Personal Computer, people.

Re:It IS a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769086)

No, PC means wintel box.

Re:It IS a PC (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36769232)

My linux desktops disagree. So does my Ultra 5.

I'm a Commodore 64 (2)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#36769120)

and I like people who own flower shops and have big hula hoop earrings.

Re:It IS a PC (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#36769230)

This. The "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercial series twisted what "PC" meant to make it out to be a Windows machine. PC means Personal Computer, people.

Actually they did one of those commercials where "Mac" specifically says he's "a PC too" [youtube.com] .

Re:It IS a PC (1)

twocows (1216842) | about 3 years ago | (#36769032)

The summary doesn't imply otherwise (surprisingly). I fail to see why you brought that up.

Re:It IS a PC (1)

Illpalazzo (2084816) | about 3 years ago | (#36769070)

Absolutely, I myself have a Macbook Pro with Windows and OS/X setup for dual-boot. To say that Mac computers compete with Windows is out of context. One can have a Mac and use Windows. One just can't have a PC and use OS/X, but I blame Apple for that.

Re:It IS a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769284)

So a pointless expensive computer it is.

Re:It IS a PC (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | about 3 years ago | (#36769338)

Don't forget not being able to (legally) run it on virtual machines (unless you have OS X Server).

Re:It IS a PC (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 3 years ago | (#36769074)

I'm wondering where the guy is who I was arguing with that the term "PC" means "personal computer" and hence applies to damn near any computer sold for personal use. He continued to insist that, because of marketing, the definition had changed, and that the term "PC" now referred to the operating system. I appreciated this line especially:

A third of big businesses now let employees choose a Mac as their PC

Re:It IS a PC (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#36769462)

It started before microsoft was anything to worry about, the IBM PC was a huge success, so much so it was cloned by everyfuckingbody, and well if you wanted a IBM PC compatible it had to run its OS of choice

If anything I would blame the case badges from the xt-at IBM PC's which was PC visually dominating the thing

Mac and cheeze? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36768994)

Why do people keep eating this shit?

Of course, back in the early 90s (0)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 3 years ago | (#36769010)

They were marketing some of their Macs/Powerbooks as if they could run MS-DOS programs. This somewhat helped.

That was false.

Fast forward to now, since the x86 macs, they can finally actually run MS-DOS programs. (boot disk of course)

Re:Of course, back in the early 90s (5, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | about 3 years ago | (#36769228)

They were marketing some of their Macs/Powerbooks as if they could run MS-DOS programs. This somewhat helped. That was false.

You are mistaken. In the 90s some Macs came with a x86 coprocessor card, it was basically a PC in a slot. So yes, Apple did have Macs that could run MS-DOS and Windows just fine back in the 90s.

Fast forward to now, since the x86 macs, they can finally actually run MS-DOS programs. (boot disk of course)

That is also mistaken. You can dual boot or use a virtual machine. As a matter of fact the virtual machine software on the Mac can run Windows from that dual boot partition or a more typical VM filesystem file(s). So if you want to conveniently run some office type app on the Mac desktop you can do so, and when you want to run a game and get full performance you can dual boot rather than emulate.

interesting results (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769052)

I wouldn't have expected this in a down economy, considering the mac's premium price. I'm a little surprised.

I'm wondering if part of the explanation is that the PC market has become saturated, with new hardware having much more horsepower than any office user could reasonably take advantage of.

But I have to agree about the uptick in corporations allowing macs, having seen it in my own company.

I'm not a mac fan; I have one at home because my daughter is required to use them at school, but it's always good to see more choices in the marketplace.

Re:interesting results (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | about 3 years ago | (#36769114)

What school requires a Mac?

Re:interesting results (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769208)

In my experience, all of them. Every school daughter has attended in my area -- grade, junior high, high -- are mac exclusively. I spent a summer helping out in the grade school computer lab one summer, got acquainted with a fairly wide range of mac hardware, some quite elderly.

When she had to bring software home, (she's dyslexic and is entitled to some special ed tools) sometimes there would be a PC version, but there was problems often enough that it was easier to buy a used mac and dedicate it as a homework machine. I realize that not every kid falls into this category.

When she had to audition for art school, the test was with Photoshop on a Mac. Fortunately she had experience. Kids who had experience with the PC version were somewhat more challenged.

My experience is the opposite (1)

brokeninside (34168) | about 3 years ago | (#36769346)

The public school district we lived in back in Ohio exclusively used Windows machines. We moved to Maryland three years ago. Again, the school district exclusively uses Windows. Both of my daughters have complained about this until I finally convinced them that Office on the Mac was compatible with Office on Windows.

That said, my eldest is going off to college in the fall. The university she will attend (St. John's) requires the purchase of a laptop. Students have a choice of being provided a Windows machine for "free" or ponying up $400 more for a Mac.

Re:My experience is the opposite (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769412)

I guess it depends on the school district, or how aggressive the local salescreatures are who handle school accounts.

Re:interesting results (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | about 3 years ago | (#36769396)

The art school I can see.

When you don't have as much, buy for durability (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#36769144)

I wouldn't have expected this in a down economy, considering the mac's premium price. I'm a little surprised.

I'm not. When you are really scraping pennies you want something that will not break all the time, that you can use as long as possible. As long as there's not an order of magnitude difference in price it's worth saving a little more to buy a computer that will last for five (or more) years.

Re:When you don't have as much, buy for durability (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769268)

> When you are really scraping pennies you want something that will not break all the time, that you can use as long as possible.

Well ok, but would you really expect Fred and Ethyl Mertz to understand this and make decisions based on it? Or is this somewhat of a nerd thing? Or, is it even true? These days, Macs are just PCs running a different OS with a slightly cooler display and keyboard.

Re:When you don't have as much, buy for durability (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769314)

I'm sorry are you talking about things like iMACs? We have about 400 on our campus and over the past 3 years we've had a failure rate of about 32%, compared with a failure rate of about 30% for our 7-8 year old dell 270s. Apple makes shitty hardware which is prone to heat failure and cost a butt load to fix and replace.

I've submitted several reports to my manger and directors regarding the MASSIVE costs of supporting MACs in the classroom and the best response I've gotten back is "Ohhhh, shinny" or "It's a mac they never fail." Yeah, bullshit.

Re:When you don't have as much, buy for durability (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769316)

The Sam Vimes "Boots" Theory of Economic Injustice
http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice

in bad economy people go back to school (2)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#36769150)

and also uhm...

the conspiarcy side of me says that there is a gigantic education bubble going on, all those 'graphic designers' need macs for their gubmint funded for-profit 'degrees in animation'.

Re:in bad economy people go back to school (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769280)

Good points. Hadn't thought of that.

Re:interesting results (1)

Serious Callers Only (1022605) | about 3 years ago | (#36769162)

I'm wondering if part of the explanation...

The entire explanation can be found here [apple.com] .

Re:interesting results (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 3 years ago | (#36769178)

I wouldn't have expected this in a down economy, considering the mac's premium price. I'm a little surprised.

Premium price = premium market. The people at the higher end of the income scale are doing pretty great about now while those below are getting crushed.

Re:interesting results (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 3 years ago | (#36769226)

I recall seeing a study from a few years back that people in economic downtimes tend to be more frugal (not really a surprise), to research big purchases much more carefully, and to purchase items which they expect to last them for longer, even if they come at a higher price. The articles talking about the study used Apple as an example, since they were the only major computer manufacturer who saw positive growth in unit sales in the quarter or two immediately after the recession hit, while the rest of the industry was seeing negative growth. Regardless of how people feel about Apple computers, they do have a reputation for quality and for lasting (though I'm sure some of us can cite anecdotal evidence to the contrary), which appeals to people who need to make their purchases last during tough times.

Re:interesting results (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769318)

> The articles talking about the study used Apple as an example, since they were the only major computer manufacturer who saw positive growth in unit sales in the quarter or two immediately after the recession hit, while the rest of the industry was seeing negative growth

I understand this, but I submit that the rest of the industry would have been sluggish regardless, because hardware had overstepped the requirements of the software. There's no reason to buy a new PC because the last one I bought was faster than I needed. The recession was a coincidence.

Re:interesting results (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 3 years ago | (#36769422)

I'm not going to argue it either way. After all, correlation != causation and all that. You've provided a fine counter-example, and I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Re:interesting results (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#36769290)

I wouldn't have expected this in a down economy, considering the mac's premium price. I'm a little surprised.

Often a "cheap" PC is just a false economy [wikipedia.org] . IMHO, YMMV, etc.

Re:interesting results (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 3 years ago | (#36769388)

Understood, there's a lot of trash out there. One of the most difficult things I have to do is tell someone they bought a cut rate PC that can't be upgraded and the best thing they can do is dump it and start over. (Often I can't even salvage the case, because it's some strange configuration into which a generic motherboard will not fit.) Happens depressingly often.

But considering a modern Mac is just a PC running a different OS, you can still buy a pretty good PC for less than what you would pay for a Mac.

Now, someone who *wants* a Mac won't hesitate to pay the premium, but what we were talking about here (I think) is previous PC customers who have decided to make the switch.

Paycheck to paycheck (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36769510)

False economies tend to happen to people (and government agencies) that live paycheck to paycheck. For example, people use expensive check cashing services and payday loans because they lack the minimum deposit and credit history to set up a checking account and credit card.

Re:interesting results (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36769482)

There no more priced the equivalent machines.
The days of being 3 times expensive are over.

more evidence for cluelessness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769076)

1991 + "a decade" = 2001 ....

Wow. That's good. isnt it ? (2)

unity100 (970058) | about 3 years ago | (#36769082)

The only thing i am not understanding is why are the tech magazines online are making that great fuss over the results of one company only over its U.S. sales.

if u.s. is a market of 300 million, china is a market of 1.5 bn. japan is 100 million (and you HAVE to have advanced gadgetry there - cellular phones that cannot display tv broadcasts dont sell - that includes apple's iphones http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/ [wired.com] ), the market that is india is another 1 bn, the market that is europe is another approx 500 mn.

and all these markets have either huge volume, or high purchasing power.

and yet, this much stampede is being made over apple reaching 10% share in american market - so much that one would think apple conquered all markets.

or is it some marketing hype in order to make the stocks in nasdaq move ?

Re:Wow. That's good. isnt it ? (2)

ArAgost (853804) | about 3 years ago | (#36769488)

[...] japan is 100 million (and you HAVE to have advanced gadgetry there - cellular phones that cannot display tv broadcasts dont sell - that includes apple's iphones http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/ [wired.com] )

You might want to check your sources: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/28/japanese_hate_for_iphone_all_a_big_mistake.html [appleinsider.com] http://mashable.com/2009/07/04/iphone-japan/ [mashable.com]

or is it some marketing hype in order to make the stocks in nasdaq move ?

I don't think AAPL really needs this kind of help. Selling a crapload of high-profit stuff seems to work well enough for them.

Re:Wow. That's good. isnt it ? (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 3 years ago | (#36769492)

Not answering anything in your post other than the whole Japan thing was proven to be the result of "analysts", well, just making shit up. Apple does very well in Japan - according to a (later) WSJ [wsj.com] article, Apple has ~72% of the smartphone market in Japan.

It seems that the japanese appreciate "shit that works" over "shit that needs a degree to understand" just as much as other people.

Simon

Farewell Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769104)

The message from Cupertino over the FCPX debacle was "professional users should look elsewhere". What percentage of that 2% in 2004 were professional users, creatives and media types? What percentage of these users are going to stick with a hamstrung, consumer desktop and appstore model? Why would dedicated professional workstations even be connected to the internet?

What's the point of well engineered systems like core graphics / audio when core users are being put in the trash? Apple, remember when they didn't suck?

Details (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769220)

A third of big businesses now let employees choose a Mac as their PC — and more than half choose the Mac.
 
How many of those are *only* allowed to choose Mac? At my last job I was forced to use a Mac, even though I'm far more efficient on a PC.

Use linux on Intel Apple Notebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769340)

Is there a linux distribution that can nativly boot on an Apple, ***without*** having bootcamp (that need's OSX work) or refit (that also need's OSX to work) installed, JUST linux partitions, no trace of OSX left...?

Why I switched to macbook pro... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769384)

1. It's a beautiful high quality machine. Screen quality is top notch and it's incredibly light and portable for a machine of this calibre.
2. I can seamlessly access all my linux machines without a blink. Terminal access, X-windows... the whole shebang.
3. I have a unix workstation that can still run important office apps and stuff like photoshop
4. I don't need to make sure that an antivirus program is installed before I so much as plug in the ethernet cable. To my knowledge there is not one single drive-by (ie: not social engineering) exploit that can p0wn my system by doing nothing more than visiting a web page.
5. If I close the lid, there is a 99% chance that the machine will still work.
5a. I measure my uptime in weeks, not days or hours.

Is it perfect? Of course not. There are plenty of limitations. But at the end of the day, for me at least, what it provides far outweighs the limitations.

its about the hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36769434)

Apple is doing well because they are making cool hardware designs. The imac and mac mini are both sexy. Aluminum feels way better than cheap plastic and the pc designs look old in comparison. OSX is nice and even though you can't change everything in it, it is quite secure and reliable with some nice tools. Apple adopts new technologies faster than PC companies, like EFI, GUID partitioning, mini displayport, etc. You can even dual boot with linux if you really want (i had to do this couldn't live without linux :)). I wrote a simple how to dual-boot on my blog: keithshome.blogspot.com

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