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Watch Out Linux, GNU Hurd Coming

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the you-have-only-about-46,396,800-seconds dept.

GNU is Not Unix 463

sfcrazy writes "Debian now has concrete plans to bring GNU Hurd to the larger community. GNU Hurd is expected to be released with the release of Debian 7.0 Wheezy towards the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013. Debian maintainer Samuel Thibault has already produced a Debian GNU/Hurd CD Set with a graphic installer which is available to download."

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This can't be!! (5, Funny)

jlechem (613317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769586)

Duke Nukem Forever actually gets released and now Hurd? Pinch me I must be dreaming!

Re:This can't be!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769644)

Must be the fault of the LHC. It keeps destroying all the highly probable universes.

So now the only universes left are ones where DN Forever and Hurd both actually see the light of day.

Next up:
- Irrefutable proof that OJ is innocent.
- Irrefutable proof that Casey Anthony is innocent.
- OJ and Casey Anthony get married and have a child; and both her and the child live to old age.
- Chicago Bears win a Super Bowl

Man ... the universe is becoming a really scary place!

Re:This can't be!! (1)

kmdrtako (1971832) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769722)

The Bears won in 1986 against the Patriots.

You're probably thinking of the Cubs winning the World Series, or even just the NL championship.

Re:This can't be!! (5, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769958)

I first waited for this, back before FTP distribution was possibe. Stallman sent GNUsletters on xerox paper. With stamps.

GNU emacs was distributed in source. On QIC-02 tape.

And CMU Mach was to be the centrepiece of a system with the few GNU utilities.

Was that 1988? I think so.

Re:This can't be!! (4, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770114)

SHIT! It's already making retro-active changes!

Re:This can't be!! (2)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769736)

1985 never happened for you?

Re:This can't be!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769758)

What do ya mean, Dem losers^WBears won a Super Bowl. . .Twenty Five years ago. Whereas my beloved Packers have won four. So I'm loving it already.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769984)

...why did I have to get stuck in the universe where slashdot went downhill and the highest rated comment is about pop culture references?

Re:This can't be!! (3, Funny)

Sylak (1611137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770130)

- Buffalo Bills win a Super Bowl

FTFY

Re:This can't be!! (2)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770208)

But the poor Cubs still don't win a World Series.

Re:This can't be!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770278)

Meh, we will always remember DNF, Hurd, and OJ but I bet no one remembers Casey Anthony in like 5.2 months. Also the Bears will not will a Superbowl.

Re:This can't be!! (3, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769678)

Question is, if someone makes a non-free/FOSS driver for it, what happens?

Re:This can't be!! (3, Funny)

joaosantos (1519241) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769744)

You grab some popcorn and watch the show.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769882)

You can't, it'll cause an internal compiler error in gcc when you try to compile your code.

Re:This can't be!! (2)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769684)

It's 2012. There may be something to that Mayan calendar afterall. I knew we were doomed when the Red Sox won the world series, the New Orleans Saints won the super bowl, and the Auburn University Football team won the BCS championship... War Eagle!

Re:This can't be!! (4, Funny)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769724)

Wait... it's 2011. Damn it's been a *long* day. Seemed like a year.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769898)

Nah, you're spot on - all your facts are good evidence that someone mucked around with our calendar, and it's actually 2012. A global conspiracy would easily explain that.

Re:This can't be!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769938)

The Mayans could have just made an off-by-one error.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770276)

The Patriots have won three Super Bowls, two of them on clutch place-kicking. Check.

South Carolina has won back-to-back College World Series. Check.

Red Sox win two World Series. Check.

Hmm. . . This could be a sign.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769702)

It's still a nightmare, HL2 episode 3 is still nowhere to be seen.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769794)

The apocalypse might happen, but Valve will never know how to count to 3.

What's next?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769764)

The HURD port of Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:What's next?!? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770084)

No, the reverse of that.

Re:This can't be!! (1)

alta (1263) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769850)

Yes, this is another sign of the apocalypse. One more, and it's all over!

DNF threshold has been crossed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769962)

Once the Duke Nukem Forever threshold has been passed anything is possible.
We are now in a place that was once unimaginable.

PINCH-A-GRAM (2)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770074)

AUTHORIZATION CODE: AB99-7X43
FROM: martin-boundary
TO: jlechem

This is a pinch-a-gram. To activate, please pinch yourself.

FP? (-1, Troll)

dosius (230542) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769594)

Is the HURD even still relevant?

-uso.

Re:FP? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769654)

Is the HURD even still relevant?

More relevant than your thinly-veiled attempt at grabbing first post.

Next time, either post something that genuinely adds to the discussion or nothing at all. Have a nice day.

Re:FP? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769738)

Re:FP

Way to figure it out, genius.

Re:FP? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769964)

Next time, either post something that genuinely adds to the discussion or nothing at all.

Pot Kettle Black.

Re:FP? (1)

Ruke (857276) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770136)

GP was contributing; he was attempting to inform a user about a social convention that he was obviously unaware of. (That posts should contain content.) While it may not have been terribly relevant to the original HURD discussion, it was relevant to the post that he was responding to. While such off-topic tangents aren't to be encouraged, it's pretty clear that ignoring them won't do anything to help the problem, so an educational effort is probably appropriate. While it won't weed out trolls, it may help cut down on people who actually think that "FP1!!" is a socially-accepted convention here on Slashdot.

LOL, u mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770258)

it may help cut down on people who actually think that "FP1!!" is a socially-accepted convention here on Slashdot.

Sounds like someone has never gotten a FP. :3

Re:FP? (2)

m50d (797211) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769660)

Is the Hurd's design still relevant? Yes, and it's motivated many improvements that have made their way into linux and other systems; as a testing ground for microkernel technology it will probably continue to do so (it's probably the biggest open-source microkernel out there).

But as for actually running it day-to-day, the Hurd never was relevant simply because it never had the broad driver support that users need. That won't change unless and until Hurd attracts a substantial developer base - but this is a good step in the direction of that.

Re:FP? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769948)

(it's probably the biggest open-source microkernel out there)

Sure if you ignore Darwin.

Oh NOOOOOOO! (2)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769596)

Oh lawd! Somebody catch me. I've caught the vapors!

*snore* (3)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769602)

Much like it's long-awaited vaporware cousin, Duke Nukem Forever, the wait will not be worth it.

Re:*snore* (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769634)

Much like it's long-awaited vaporware cousin, Duke Nukem Forever, the wait will not be worth it.

That's "Duke GNU/kem Forever" to you, sir!
- RMS

Re:*snore* (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769892)

Dave GNUkem http://gnukem.sourceforge.net/
for real.

Re:*snore* (1)

Medevilae (1456015) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769640)

Blasphemy!

2011 (5, Funny)

Sinthet (2081954) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769632)

Will be the year of the Hurd Desktop. 'Nuff said.

Re:2011 (2)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769768)

Funny, last i hurd it was going to be the year of the Linux desktop.

Re:2011 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770032)

Only if you follow the rest of the sheep

HURD is 2011 desktop, in 2012 the Matrix changes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770030)

Planet-X was just a diversion by HURD to fool us into thinking we were free with all that Microsoft and Linux software, now we know...2012 we are in the computer and we will be synthetically disabled from ever mentaly pondering the invention of simulated silicon logic from the artificial Periodic Table of the Elements: this time HURD is using Turing effect against us, as we will lose our simulated logic and all the simulation digresses into doctrine. At least we'll level-up quicker and heal quicker, because you know -- the body can't exist without the mind.

A random observation (4, Interesting)

slaker (53818) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769646)

One of the very few people to put me on her Slashdot enemies list did so because I made a derogatory statement about the length of the HURD development process. In, as I recall, the year 2000 or 2001. It was a running joke at least five years before that.

Way to be timely and relevant, GNU.

Re:A random observation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769930)

GNU was very timely with the rest of a Unix like OS, except for the kernel, where Linux jumped in with a GNU license...

Re:A random observation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770184)

One of the very few people to put me on her Slashdot enemies list did so because I made a derogatory statement about the length of the HURD development process. In, as I recall, the year 2000 or 2001. It was a running joke at least five years before that.

Way to be timely and relevant, GNU.

It doesn't help that the Hurd team goes out of it's way to port the Hurd to completely different microkernels at the drop of a hat, only to return to GNUMach when development of the other microkernels goes south.

IMO, if they spent that time and energy removing "the suck" from Mach, and porting drivers from the BSDs or Linux, they'd have had a usable release of the thing years ago.

Where did I leave my puffer? (2, Funny)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770202)

Way to be timely and relevant, GNU.

What could be greater show of health and vigor than naming your first release "Debian Wheezy?"

And for my next trick... (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769664)

BSD userland on top of GNU Hurd.

"What the hell do you call an OS like that?"

"I'll call it 'The Aristocrats'"

--
BMO

Re:And for my next trick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769748)

A++#

Re:And for my next trick... (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769866)

"What the hell do you call an OS like that?"

An core OS for Windows to run on top of, in the future

Re:And for my next trick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770048)

Please. Duke Nukem Forever and GNU Hurd are going to be released before Windows runs on top of--- ...

Re:And for my next trick... (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770222)

rofl. Well done sir.

Who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769668)

Who cares? I mean really... we have all the bases covered by Linux and BSD...

I don't really see a place for it.

It's interesting because it's been a long time coming (20+ years) but Linux and BSD seem to have filled every niche there is in that time.

Re:Who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769742)

Don't you know... it's the new Linux!

GPLv3 (5, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769752)

Who cares? I mean really... we have all the bases covered by Linux and BSD...

If you need a GPLv3 licensed OS for some reason, this will be one. Linux will probably never contain the patent guards Hurd will. That might be important for some folks.

Deja Vu? (2)

zixxt (1547061) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769672)

I swear I saw this headline 20 years ago.

Re:Deja Vu? (2)

fuzzytv (2108482) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769868)

Really? They've promised to deliver this in 2012 twenty years ago? I remember they always promised to deliver it 'next year'.

Re:Deja Vu? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769872)

Yes, but the headline said the inventor would release it right after he took his next shower.

It's finally come to fruition.

This just in... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769680)

Debian maintainer Samuel Thibault has already produced a Debian GNU/Hurd CD Set with a graphic installer which is available to download.

It speaks volumes that the highlight is the inclusion of a graphical installer. Likely no mouse support though....

Re:This just in... (3, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770110)

Yep, no mouse. And the graphic is tubgirl.

Interesting (0)

MSDos-486 (779223) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769714)

An organization that is out of the limelight, but has made many historic contributions is pushing something from an even older organization that has been out of the limelight for a longer time, and made many more historic contributions.

Did anyone else notice this?

Re:Interesting (5, Interesting)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769848)

An organization that is out of the limelight, but has made many historic contributions is pushing something from an even older organization that has been out of the limelight for a longer time, and made many more historic contributions.

Nope. All I saw was an organization that maintains a distribution that is the basis for one of the fastest growing Linux distributions offer a distribution based on a kernel made by an organization that maintains one of the most used software compiler suites and userland tools. Please tell me where I should be looking. :P

A de(cade) late and a dollar short (0)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769720)

Computing has moved onto mobile now. Linux only caught it due to Google. And it's barely open source.

But even then, the OS on those will not be the determinant of much. Cloud computing has come. I know people's whose home office desktops basically just run as a dumb terminal, as all that data sits on some far off server somewhere. Google Docs, Linnworks, what have you. What is old is new again. And again.

The only way to escape lock-in will always be open data formats and being able to back up that data. Chasing the OS rainbow might have been the wrong game.

Re:A de(cade) late and a dollar short (0)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769862)

From my understanding open source started because Stallman had an issue with a device driver. So instead of creating a lot of open source drivers so that people can better work with their devices, people came up with an operating system and a myriad of distributions and some good software to go with them, along with a lot of half done crap. And then came the drivers. Oh wait.... never mind.

Re:A de(cade) late and a dollar short (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770262)

No cookie for you, inacurate trolling :-p

Re:A de(cade) late and a dollar short (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770178)

There's nothing like a thick client when you have to compile a few thousand files.

Re:A de(cade) late and a dollar short (5, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770216)

I'm still calling it Linux! (5, Funny)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769726)

Because I think an angry Stallman is a funny Stallman. So I Iook forward to this new Linux variant and I thank Linus Torvalds from the bottom of my heart. There would be no free software movement without you and you cannot be venerated enough. I wonder how Mr. Torvalds came up with Hurd? Oh wait, it is because he is a genius.

Re:I'm still calling it Linux! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769816)

Debian-kFreeBSD has been out for a while now too, you know.

Dude Stop Trolling Stallman (0)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769824)

If you see his nostrils flaring, it means he's about to charge. Charging Stallmans aren't able to turn very well though, so if that happens run at a 90 degree angle to the direction of his charge and you should be pretty safe.

Re:I'm still calling it Linux! (-1, Offtopic)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769828)

Stop trying to suck geek cock.

Who cares? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769772)

Seriously, it's been, what, 15+ years? The project seems to have two main phases of development:

1) Several months of intense bickering followed by factions breaking off to make half-assed attempts at porting to a more modern microkernel.
2) A year or two of complete silence as the ports are abandoned and a couple of diehards continue to work on Mach.

Where are they now? They've got a couple of novelty builds that almost work reliably enough to play with for a weekend. Big fuckken deal.

Interesting, but.. (1)

Lanteran (1883836) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769808)

This is interesting, but last time I checked, HURD was 32-bit (for the lulz, from the start it was written ahead of its time, when 16-bit was the norm). I don't do much low level stuff, mostly python and web development, so would it be difficult to port it to x64? It will be interesting to use, though. Anybody know if it's got linux binary compatibility?

Re:Interesting, but.. (2)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769884)

it is designed to be easier to port than monolithic kernels like Linux.

but Hurd is still Mach and is therefor pretty much garbage (Hurd/L4 died). Hurd lacks the speed of Linux and FreeBSD or the clustering transparency of Plan9.

You'd probably get more out of Plan9 for doing web development than Hurd. Even though Plan9 is probably not a viable platform without significant commercial investment.

They're probably thinking about December 21, 2012 (5, Funny)

fuzzytv (2108482) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769814)

They have probably noticed the end of the world is December 21, 2012 and they hope it's true. That way no one will actually notice Hurd was postponed again ...

bring GNU Hurd to the larger community. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769822)

Larger than what?

Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769840)

HURD might be interesting but they will always be playing catchup to Linux and even BSD.

nVidia drivers for HURD? VMware on HURD? [Insert Important Software Here] on HURD? Yeah, not likely to ever happen. There is too much infrastructure build on Linux. It's the de facto free OS, period.

Re:Too late (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769942)

nVidia drivers for HURD? VMware on HURD?

Your evocation of the unholy names of proprietary software packages and Hurd in the same sentence make Stallman cry. Please stop that.

Re:Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770112)

Nah, make Stallman cry more.

Yes but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769844)

Can you run Bitcoin on it?

What is the GNU Hurd? (1)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769896)

I can't be the only person that's never hurd, umm, heard of it.

"The Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for UNIX, a popular operating system kernel."

From http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/what_is_the_gnu_hurd.html [gnu.org]

Re:What is the GNU Hurd? (1)

gtirloni (1531285) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770042)

The GNU project was expected to deliver a kernel and userland tools to replace UNIX. Only the later was delivered consistently and it was combined with the Linux kernel to form what Stallman would call "GNU/Linux". GNU's kernel (Hurd) is so late in the game that they should have killed it. I studied microkernels a while ago and, although they look cool and everything, are not the huge innovation they would be 10 years ago.

It will never take off. (1)

aix tom (902140) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769918)

Proof: Compare this [gnu.org] to that [wikipedia.org] .

Which makes you go "awwwwwwwww, how cute."

Improbability Drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769978)

Someone must've switched on the Heart of Gold's Improbability Drive.

First Duke Nukem (1)

Anne Honime (828246) | more than 3 years ago | (#36769980)

Then Linux 64 bits native Adobe Flash Reader

And Finally the HURD...

The world is coming to an end !

Re:First Duke Nukem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36769990)

And tens of people feel fine.

Re:First Duke Nukem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770014)

Ahh, I see what you did there. You didn't actually have anything clever to say so you just re-posted the top comment in this thread in the hope you'd get karma, like some crack-addict trying to smoke the crumbs out of their carpet rather than get a job.

Give your parents my deepest sympathies.

by the end of next year or start of the year after (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770080)

ROFLMAO. In the corporate world, that's what engineering management says when they have no idea when they'll be ready to ship something.

Can it be? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770118)

Does this mean I'll actually see a GNU operating system in my lifetime?

I estimate that if I'm lucky I've got another 40-45 years.

Finally released (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770160)

Like, after a decade?

Re:Finally released (1)

geek (5680) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770206)

Closer to two decades actually. In fact I think Apple was above a 10% market share the last time we had news about Hurd.

Re:Finally released (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770288)

Just under three decades. It was originally the capstone engineering goal of Richard Stallman's [wikipedia.org] GNU project.

But no gnustep / etoile -- Beta release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770164)

This will be experimental software (as usual for hurd) for developers, not yet another "ready to test" alternative os ( like haiku/beos or atheos ) laking minimal modern services like a proper gui ( like gnustep / etoile )

Summary of Hurd Summary (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770170)

It's a Mach microkernel with a bunch of daemons and glibc to emulate the UNIX interface.

Re:Summary of Hurd Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770264)

Sounds like Mac OS X 10 years late.

Remember (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770176)

No Gnews is good Gnews
          -Gary Gnu

Call For Coders Not Criticism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36770190)

If anyone finds the current release schedule of GNU Hurd to be disheartening, then please make a contribution to the project. Open Source is not some manna from heaven. It depends on human coders to create software for free human consumption. It is not magic. If you have a complaint or a concern, don't post jokes; post contributions.

HURD is coming (0)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770212)

Don't get any on you! Use a cumbrella!

How about Debian GNU/Plan 9? (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770238)

Plan 9 could use some love. Maybe someone could make it a GUI that doesn't look like it's from the late 1980s.

Gnu Turd? (0)

mveloso (325617) | more than 3 years ago | (#36770286)

The thundering turd has arrived! Pew pew pew!

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