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Microsoft Developer Made the Most Changes To Linux 3.0 Code

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the truth-is-stranger-than-fiction dept.

Microsoft 348

sfcrazy sends this quote from the H: "The 343 changes made by Microsoft developer K. Y. Srinivasan put him at the top of a list, created by LWN.net, of developers who made the most changes in the current development cycle for Linux 3.0. Along with a number of other 'change sets,' Microsoft provided a total of 361 changes, putting it in seventh place on the list of companies and groups that contributed code to the Linux kernel. By comparison, independent developers provided 1,085 change sets to Linux 3.0, while Red Hat provided 1,000 and Intel 839."

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Community Myth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789690)

I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. It hasn't been this way since the late 90's. Most Linux development comes from corporations who could care less about GPL or open source. Everybody has their hand in the cookie jar at this point. Everyone except Canonical, which is hilarious...Microsoft has now contributed more to Linux development than the entire lot of fools running that plagarist distro. It is not user-driven innovation any longer. For that you have to look at Haiku or the *BSDs.

Re:Community Myth (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789732)

I wish people would get over this myth that "could care less" means that you couldn't care less.

Re:Community Myth (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789930)

I wish people would get over this myth that idioms can't change and there's no such thing as colloquialisms.

Re:Community Myth ;-/ (2, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789964)

I wish people would get over this myth that idioms can't change and there's no such thing as colloquialisms.

Irregardless, "could care less" is incorrect because it's logically flawed.

Re:Community Myth ;-/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790072)

Irregardless, "could care less" is incorrect because it's logically flawed.

I couldn't care more, about that.

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790046)

I wish people would get under it.

Re:Community Myth (-1, Offtopic)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789998)

it's called sarcasm (or irony if you wish). do you have a problem with sarcasm in general? if not, then what's wrong with a sarcastic idiom?

Re:Community Myth (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790098)

This just makes me think of how, if you call someone out for being incredibly stupid, they just go "LOLOLOL I TROLLED YOU GOOD" in order to save face.

Where was that one picture....

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790206)

Because when it's source is clearly a mistaken use of a more common idiom, and when people read it and think "idiot" because it makes the user look stupid for making a mistake in a common idiom, then maybe it is not such a good idea overall.

Plus, I don't think for a second that most users use it sarcastically. They use it because they don't think it through.

Re:Community Myth (0)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790304)

yeah, i feel the same way about people who use the wrong "its".

but seriously, the "could care less" form is the more common version now, for good or ill. should it matter if each user doesn't think it through? assuming that the phrase came about first through sarcastic use and then normalized, the meaning is nonetheless obvious to all. i just don't see the problem.

Re:Community Myth (5, Insightful)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790210)

No, it's called illiteracy.

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790252)

Depends, I use it sometimes knowing full well its sarcastic and peeves people like you off, then again, it is funny watching idiots use it none the wiser.

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790218)

It's not sarcasm, it's just stupid people who don't know what they are saying.

Re:Community Myth (0, Offtopic)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790278)

I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. (Score:1, Interesting)

I wish people would get over this myth that "could care less" means that you couldn't care less.(Score:4, Informative)

I wish people would get over the myth that mod points should be spent more on grammar nazi'ism than the topic at hand.

This... is stupid. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789796)

Perhaps they couldn't care less (note the correct usage), what does that matter? So long as they contribute valid code, in compliance with licensing, that addresses a need, I don't care *who* contributes. Hell: Hans, from his jail cell, can contribute, for all of me. If it makes Linux better, and it's not some patent landmine, IJustDon'tGiveADamn.

As for user-driven innovation, yes, it is. For two reasons:

- Solo users still do contribute. Check the numbers.
- Solo users who manage to work for large companies does not mean they still don't adhere to the spirit.

So neener.

Re:This... is stupid. (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789952)

Hans can code with hibernation sickness?

Re:This... is stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790154)

Sure, he can do the power management.

Re:Community Myth (2)

mhogomchungu (1295308) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789870)

Linux is still "a community effort of users putting their minds together". There may have been a shift from the community made up mostly of individuals to corporations but it is still, a community.

Does it matter if a contributor is an individual, an individual contributing on behalf of a company or company contributing as long as the code is of good quality, is offered in ways that agrees with the norms of the community and does not violate any license used by the community? Microsoft is contributing code because they are either using linux or they have people they are supporting who are using it hence they are part of the community effort. It doesnt matter how little any individual or company cares about the GPL, all it matters is that they conduct themselves in a way that does not violate it.

Re:Community Myth (3, Informative)

causality (777677) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790138)

Linux is still "a community effort of users putting their minds together". There may have been a shift from the community made up mostly of individuals to corporations but it is still, a community. Does it matter if a contributor is an individual, an individual contributing on behalf of a company or company contributing as long as the code is of good quality, is offered in ways that agrees with the norms of the community and does not violate any license used by the community? Microsoft is contributing code because they are either using linux or they have people they are supporting who are using it hence they are part of the community effort. It doesnt matter how little any individual or company cares about the GPL, all it matters is that they conduct themselves in a way that does not violate it.

I will tell you what really makes me personally feel like I am participating in a community. For most Open Source software I have used, if I have a question or a suggestion or simply some feedback, I can usually communicate directly with the maintainer or lead developer of the project. They are accessible. They are fellow human beings, not corporate conglomerates. There are no layers of sales reps or receptionists or PR personnel. Sometimes I send an e-mail just to say "thank you" for the simple reason that they owe me absolutely nothing, yet I benefit from the work they have chosen to make freely available.

It would be like calling up Microsoft and speaking directly to Ballmer about Windows. No regular Microsoft customer is ever going to do that. That's the difference between a community and a conglomerate. That, and with most Linux distributions users help each other as much as (if not more than) organizations provide formal support.

Re:Community Myth (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790032)

Contributions to Linux take many forms. Code-centric people only view contributions to the Linux kernel as contributions to Linux. Far more aware people, take contributions to Linux being amongst the following,
contributions to GNU (something you obviously need to look up),
contributions to Linux compatible hardware drivers,
contributions to Linux documentation,
contributions to Linux based graphical users interfaces,

contributions to Linux compatible applications,
contributions to graphics design including icons, appearance, fonts, screens savers, layouts,
contributions to marketing and promotion,
contributions to Linux protecting patents,
contributions to service and support,
contributions to the Linuc user community,
and of course contributions to Linux based distribution without which Linux would not exist as an operating system rather than just a kernel.

Seriously only a real asshat would take all those contributions and treat them as nothing either that or a microtroll. It amazes me that after all these years how people still fail to understand how a community developed product like Linux comes into being, how all contributions small and large are highly regarded (the value being in the sharing) and how contributions of individuals are valued (even those employed by M$, M$ did you create code, those people employed by M$ did).

From your selfish self centred viewpoint, it appears that I must apologise for using Linux whilst not being a good enough coder to contribute to the kernel. So "I am sorry", my coding sucks and my others contributions to Linux are not good enough to appease you. Of course to the rest of the Linux community I say thank you for all the contributions made no matter how great or small.

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790042)

We're talking drivers here, so of course the contributions come from other companies. This is all about hardware abstraction, not end user GUI's.

Re:Community Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790312)

I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. It hasn't been this way since the late 90's. Most Linux development comes from corporations who could care less about GPL or open source. Everybody has their hand in the cookie jar at this point.

This is a BIG WIN for the community: we forced the big players to stop ignoring us. While their input is important, it did not kill the community at all. Even MS feels the need to co-operate and "Embrace, Expand and Extinguish" will not work because we indeed are a community, and one which has the safeguards (the GPL etc...) against "EEE" build in from the start at that.

The number itself is entertaining but ... (5, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789706)

... it really is useless trivia. What's more important is what the contributions are, specifically. Per TFA:

This work by Microsoft was to clean up the “Microsoft Hyper-V (HV) driver” so that the Microsoft driver would be included in the mainline Linux kernel. Microsoft originally submitted this set of code changes back in July 2009, but there were a lot of problems with it, and the Linux kernel developers insisted that it be fixed. The Linux community had a long list of issues with Microsoft’s code, but the good news is that Microsoft worked to improve the quality of its code so that it could be accepted into the Linux kernel. Other developers helped Microsoft get their code up to par, too. ( Steve Friedl has some comments about its early technical issues.

and why:

Getting code into the mainline Linux kernel release, instead of just existing as a separate patch, is vitally important for an organization if they want people to use their software (if it needs to be part of the Linux kernel, as this did). A counter-example is that the Xen developers let KVM zoom ahead of them, because the Xen developers failed to set a high priority on getting full support for Xen into the mainline Linux kernel. As Thorsten Leemhuis at The H says, “There are many indications that the Xen developers should have put more effort into merging Xen support into the official kernel earlier. After all, while Xen was giving developers and distribution users a hard time with the old kernel, a new virtualisation star was rising on the open source horizon: KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) In the beginning, KVM could not touch the functional scope and speed of Xen. But soon, open source developers, Linux distributors, and companies such as AMD, Intel and IBM became interested in KVM and contributed a number of improvements, so that KVM quickly caught up and even moved past Xen in some respects.” Xen may do well in the future, but this is still a cautionary tale.

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (5, Insightful)

Sc4Freak (1479423) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789846)

So? A contribution is a contribution, even if it is for selfish reasons.

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (5, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789966)

I did not imply otherwise. My point is that the contribution and its nature are of more importance than the associated random statistical fluke.

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790162)

I'd assumed that you were warding away the FUD that was to come. The headline almost implies that MS ramped up Linux contributions in general, as if trying to sabotage Linux by instating patent bombs throughout the kernel codebase. Or as someone tagged the article, "it's a trap."

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790254)

So? A contribution is a contribution, even if it is for selfish reasons.

Yes, but ...

1) All the contributions were within one module (all well and good, and that fine, but people should realize this was not some altruistic move by MS to "help" Linux).

2) Are multiple changes to add/fix comments included in the list of changes? I don't know, but that might artificially increase a contribution count, specifically if MS was working to get this particular module into "production".

Again, I agree it doesn't make a difference in terms of, "hey, they contributed", but it does help put they contributions into context.

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (5, Insightful)

wrook (134116) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790258)

Even more importantly, contributing for selfish reasons creates a win-win situation. Contributing in a way that is detrimental to you, is detrimental for the community. It is important for people and organisations to realise that we want them to succeed in their enterprises.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the driving forces behind free and open source software. They see it as some kind of charity where the group "donating" code is losing out. Instead, groups should understand how they are going to benefit from contributing to a free software project before they do so. Benefit can come in the form of money, it can come in the form of eyeballs (attracting attention to an under serviced area), or it can simply come from the pleasure of contributing. These are all benefits.

Free and open source software allows more than one group to benefit from contributing to a project. You can't control how much benefit another group can get from a project, but the more you do to tie your success to the success of the project, the more you benefit you get from other people's contributions. Ideally, we want companies like MS to make money from the success of free software. The more they do so, the more they will understand the opportunities they are missing. The more they rely on our success, the more everyone benefits.

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790010)

Somewhat of a tangent, but why is compatibility on this type of thing built into the kernel level?

Re:The number itself is entertaining but ... (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790102)

You want to expose host's hardware to the guest with as few layers in between as possible. Traditional emulation is rather slow, so instead you set up a fast channel that exposes exactly what is needed in a most efficient way, and write drivers for the guest which use that to work with hardware.

I believe this is also true for scheduling - if host and guest cooperate (which necessarily requires special code running in guest's kernel), they can do much better at it.

Yay (-1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789718)

361 new buffer overflow possibilities, regressions and invalid assumptions.

Re:Yay (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790052)

So you're saying the people who review kernel patches are so shitty they couldn't spot any of the things you're referring too?

You do realize you're insulting your own team more than the other team right, you're just too stupid to realize ... oh ... never mind.

Re:Yay (0, Troll)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790078)

Yeah, because Microsoft hires dummies and pays them shitty wages, you know? Here's a clue: You wouldn't make the cut in a Microsoft hiring process.

Apple always contributes... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789724)

Nice to see Apple is 'giving back' big time. All those who complain Apple never contributes can eat the shit now.

OK Fanboys (-1, Offtopic)

hjf (703092) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789728)

Slashdotters love Apple and Google. How much did they contribute?

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789768)

Counting rejections, somewhere between a negative and zero.

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789798)

Why would Apple contribute to the Linux kernel? They're using a fork of Mach called XNU for OS X and iOS...

Re:OK Fanboys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789814)

Yep, so Apple are classic leaches then.

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789850)

People who don't use linux and don't contribute to Linux are leeches?

Classic Freetard.

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789940)

Leaching off open source, itard.

Re:OK Fanboys (1)

omfgnosis (963606) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790022)

Your argument might have more merit if you were complaining that they don't contribute to the projects they use themselves (which, apart from WebKit, is probably a slam dunk argument, but I don't know offhand). Complaining that Apple doesn't contribute to Linux is like complaining that Google doesn't contribute to Gecko.

Re:OK Fanboys (1)

wmac (1107843) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790334)

You mean Google does not use Linux, as in it's Android? When we are counting linux usage , android is a linux, when counting contribution it is not?

Re:OK Fanboys (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789858)

Indeed, as we all know, Apple doesn't release any free software... [apple.com]

Re:OK Fanboys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790184)

Token bullshit so fanbois like you can keep on repeating it.

Re:OK Fanboys (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790324)

Token bullshit so fanbois like you can keep on repeating it.

Hahah. I have this image in my head of Steve Jobs ordering a new division of developers to write OSS tools in order to stir up fanboyism on Slashdot.

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789862)

2/10 Try harder.

Re:OK Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789836)

Yeah, if they wanted to use it, they'd just fork it and call their own.

Re:OK Fanboys (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789974)

By the same token, why would Microsoft contribute to the Linux kernel? They're using a fork of Windows called Windows for Windows and Windows. I agree that Apple has no reason to contribute to Linux, but still, Microsoft has showed them up :P

Re:OK Fanboys (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790092)

Microsoft has a reason, it's called Hyper-V. Microsoft wants companies to use Hyper-V instead of VMWare and other virtualization platforms, and for that to work, even if Microsoft detests it, they need to support Linux as a virtualized guest.

Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (-1, Redundant)

gavron (1300111) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789756)

Microsoft contributed stuff so their code would work.

Does it make "linux" better? No.

Does it allow THEIR code to work? Yes.

This "one developer" who contributed it all. Is he the guy who wrote it all... or the guy Microsoft said "Hey you'll be submitting the team's contributions"?

I know it's supposed to be fanboi-good for me to say Microsoft Bad, Google Good, Linux good. Fortunately I believe this.

Microsoft bad.
Google good.
Linux good.

If you feel differently go to backslashdot.com.

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Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789842)

Fanboy detected. Insert bullet to continue.

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789868)

He's got it right...

Except for the Google part. They are going to sell your testicles to the CIA for nothing, while making it look like giving you a free service.

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790200)

Except for the Google part. They are going to sell your testicles to the CIA for nothing, while making it look like giving you a free service.

That's still in closed beta - so I'd appreciate it if you could send me an invite.

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789854)

Another reason for to rattle patent swords at LINUX, There still haven't said how much for LINUX they have put into Windows

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (2, Interesting)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790038)

Microsoft contributed stuff so their code would work.

Does it make "linux" better? No.

Does it allow THEIR code to work? Yes.

So interoperability is bad? Thats pretty fucking funny considering the number of fanboys such as yourself that shout that MS goes out of its way to break interoperability.

Would better interop not make Linux better? Seems rather illogical to say that Linux working better with Windows is a bad thing, since that is what you're saying I'm going to have to assume one of us is as retarded as Corky from Life Goes On, and its not me.

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (0, Troll)

gavron (1300111) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790112)

No, I checked. it's you.

They only added interoperability for them. It does nothing for linux.

I know, facts upset you people who call everyone else fanboys.

It's ok.

One day when you're out of junior high (or ITT tech) you'll understand.

E

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790060)

"Does it make "linux" better?"

Yes, it does. How Linux not doing stuff people want to do is good again? Should all the people that use the module fully change to Windows instead?

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (0, Redundant)

gavron (1300111) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790116)

Sure. People who want to use windows should switch to windows. The "module" is useless to anybody else.

You want windows? Go use windows.

You want linux? Use linux.

Microsoft contributed nothing that helps anyone who doesn't want to use windows.

E

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790128)

Does it make "linux" better? No.

The code gives people more choices. For those already using Hyper-V, it gives them a choice of using Linux on their VMs instead of Windows. For those already using Linux, it gives them a choice of using Hyper-V to host their VMs instead of KVM, VMware or other solutions. Are you saying that choice is not good?

Re:Yes let's just get down and dirty in the code (0)

gavron (1300111) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790232)

> For those already using Hyper-V, it gives them a choice of using Linux on their VMs instead of Windows. For those already using Linux, it gives them a choice of using Hyper-V to host their VMs instead of KVM, VMware or other solutions

You're saying the same thing twice.

FOR THOSE USING WINDOWS, they can _also_ run Linux.

If they ran Linux they could host whatever they want. THAT'S why Microsoft did this. VMware Server is free, and it runs on Linux or Windows, and it hosts EVERYTHING.

If you're running Windows and Hyper-V... then you can't run everything.

Please who choose to decrease their choices by running windows shouldn't go rushing out to buy greeting cards when some of those choices are returned to them. This does not enhance Linux nor the experience of anyone who uses it. It's for WINDOWS people wanting MORE WINDOWS functionality that they didn't get when they... wait for it... used Windows.

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changes != LoC (2, Insightful)

jamesh (87723) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789758)

In LWN.net's evaluation of the number of lines of code changed, Srinivasan and Microsoft are therefore nearer the bottom of the list. LWN.net found that Microsoft developers changed 11,564 lines of code (1.3 per cent) – compared to Intel's 163,232 (18.1 per cent).

Little changes are good, but simple count of changes isn't necessarily a good measure of work done. Lines of Code, while itself not a perfect measure, is better than simply Number of Commits.

Re:changes != LoC (4, Insightful)

scromp (148280) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789834)

Describing LoC as a "not perfect" metric is an astonishing understatement.

Re:changes != LoC (5, Funny)

maugle (1369813) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790204)

Describing LoC as a "not perfect" metric is an astonishing understatement.

I
disagree,
using
LoC
as
a
metric
has
made
my
measured
productivity
skyrocket!

Indent (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790322)

Then perhaps you could measure source lines of code after running the source code through a tool similar to GNU indent that applies agreed-upon standards for what goes on one line.

Re:changes != LoC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790262)

Yes, but in the current context, your feigned astonishment is a dramatic overstatement.

Not Microsoft... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789776)

He has only been part of Microsoft since february 2011. Until then, he was part of Novel.

Re:Not Microsoft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789856)

But since he joined Microsoft he made 425 changes.

monkey taking a picture (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789778)

So the amazement here is that MS can submit deltas, in much the same way that monkey can take a picture. Last time I checked MS was a software development firm, and did work with linux. It makes sense that they would in fact try to modify the kernel to meet their needs, which may be different than others. In any case they seem to contribute a factor of 3 less than other major players.

Re:monkey taking a picture (2, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789910)

It's still amusing to see Microsoft touching Linux at all while their monkey of a CEO slanders it and throws veiled threats at its userbase.

Re:monkey taking a picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789936)

This just in: Monkey fling poo. Film at 11:00.

Re:monkey taking a picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790114)

A factor of 3 less than other major players that base their entire business around Linux.

Compare that to Google with their Android effort. Comparing it to a major player in the Linux world is flat out stupid.

MS makes money off Linux (1, Insightful)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789886)

HTC, Samsung, LG and probably some others pay Linux royalties to Microsoft for their Android based phones. Actually MS makes more money from Android (Linux) then what they generate from Windows Phone 7 now. It would make sense to embed the whole Microsoft patent portfolio there to cement their rule over Linux.

Re:MS makes money off Linux (1)

craigc05 (2377254) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790066)

Not possible, even under GPL2 without a deal like they cut with Novell. Microsoft makes protection money from Android because anything you can do with a text editor and compiler is patented by somebody and frivolous patents are distributed well enough to make sure the reigning families can get their hands into the pockets of any developer that is actually making money.

Re:MS makes money off Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790108)

Only HTC has capitulated to their extortion attempts for their useless patents. Get your fucking facts right, dough boy.

Microsoft-Novell Exorcist Moment is Coming! (1)

craigc05 (2377254) | more than 2 years ago | (#36789890)

The intent is probably paving the way for some demonspawn child they want to have with Novell. Treating this like Microsoft is trying to make Linux a more attractive alternative to their competing product line is incredibly disingenuous. That said, it's free code so it doesn't really matter what the intent is. It just means we may soon have a new feature in OpenSUSE that I'm not going to use.

Lindows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36789924)

Beware: next time you upgrade your kernel you'll get the windows logo instead of the tux. Sticking with 2.6 :-)

Linux fanboys, all of you. (0, Flamebait)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790014)

And thats all you are.

As I post this, there are 34 comments, and 33 of them are just ignorant anti-microsoft flames. I don't like MS as much as the next guy, but you're just showing how pointless it is to care what any of you think, you are unpleasable. Nothing is good enough for you.

You're acting like a bunch of asshole teenagers, and you know what happens to asshole teenagers, everyone else ignores them and lets them dick around in their own idiotic little world until they grow out of it.

So what if MS is making patches for interoperability with their systems, if you had have a fucking clue you'd be happy for that since its practically impossible to not deal with Windows.

Whats better, is the code is code they've already submitted ... but wasn't up to your standards ... so they fixed all the issues to make it fit into the retarded little world of idiotic artificial restrictions placed on kernel code just to appease a bunch of GPL zealots ... did everything you want, and you still bitch.

These patches might make it easier for you little puds to run Linux under the MS hypervisor so you can have your Linux jerk fest even at a majority MS based company ...

Instead of looking like a bunch of angsty teenage morons, why don't you shut the fuck up and be thankful for a change.

I'm not a Linux fanboy, clearly, but I'm certainly pro-open source, my preference is FreeBSD, and never once have I bitched about an MS contributed patch. Its not like they can sneak something in, the patches are reviewed by everyone ... open source, remember? What do you think they're trying to do, run you out of existence via 'good compatibility'?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

I should note, that almost all of these posts so far are 1million UIDs or AC, so it probably really is teenage angst, but holy shit no wonder no one commercially supports Linux, you guys are just ungrateful fucks.

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790056)

Someone mod this up because its the truth.

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790170)

You should really wait for more comments before pronouncing summary judgement over /. audience. First posts are more often than not emotionally driven, and there is little rational substance there, hence they tend toward groupthink. That, and mods didn't have a good pass yet - once they do, most early AC comments end up at -1, the more interesting stuff bubbles up, and then you see some insightful discussion in follow-up posts.

my preference is FreeBSD, and never once have I bitched about an MS contributed patch.

That's interesting - there was some code contributed to FreeBSD by Microsoft?

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790238)

MS employee chastises a FreeBSD user who bitched about Linux users. Ohh shit, is the world going to implode?

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (0)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790264)

Okay, I've waited, its actually worse now.

How many years does it take before rational thought trumps irrationally fanboys?

That's interesting - there was some code contributed to FreeBSD by Microsoft?

Are you seriously that ignorant or trying to be funny?

Would you like specific contributions to FreeBSD kernel/userland, or is the fact that they released the CLR (see: rotor) for FreeBSD enough?

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790202)

Agreed. Best post ever!

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (2)

Verunks (1000826) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790256)

I should note, that almost all of these posts so far are 1million UIDs or AC, so it probably really is teenage angst, but holy shit no wonder no one commercially supports Linux, you guys are just ungrateful fucks.

you must be new here

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790276)

Not saying that I'm (completely) disagreeing but with language like that you sound more like some of these pre-teens nowadays right after they've learned a new dirty word. And this is coming from a former bar manager!

I hate asshole teenagers too but damn! Grow up and buy a fucking thesaurus. :)

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790282)

As long as they don't attempt to use their involvement with Linux to pull any sort of "oh, some of the code that was contributed was misappropriated from us, therefore we own X of Linux... no, we can't tell you which parts" at some point in the future, I don't really have a problem with MS contributing to my OS of choice.

The thing is though... they're Microsoft... and I wouldn't put it past them to try something like that someday. I can certainly hope that they don't... but it still gives one reason to not necessarily think that this is all perfectly okay.

Re:Linux fanboys, all of you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790302)

This has to be one of the most pretentious posts I've ever read. Almost every point you made was made in a post above you (one of the ones you are bitching about) in a non-pretentious asshole way. As for the posts that actually were blatantly uniformed or just clearly anti-MS: I'm must say I'm shocked. I just can't believe that the people who commented without even taking the time to read the article and in some cases anything other than the headline had misinformed and inflammatory opinions. SHOCKED. THIS NEVER HAPPENS ON SLASHDOT! WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?!

It must be angsty teenage assholes who don't remember the good old days of command line, of bbs, of phone phreaking and soldering irons and IBM selling PCs and true nerddom in all it's glory. GET OFF MY LAWN YOU FUCKS!

A Purge Needed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790150)

The code from ANYONE at Microsoft is venom ... and must be dead ... and must be deleated.

Neither Microsoft nor Apple can be trusted! They are both EVIL. KILL their CODE! ... Let their
bodies BURN.

A real good day will be when the bodies of Microsoft and Apple employees are burning in the streets.

-- //

Re:A Purge Needed (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790208)

The code from ANYONE at Microsoft is venom ... and must be dead ... and must be deleated.

Neither Microsoft nor Apple can be trusted! They are both EVIL. KILL their CODE! ... Let their
bodies BURN.

A real good day will be when the bodies of Microsoft and Apple employees are burning in the streets.

-- //

Just a suggestion... cut back on the caffeine.

Re:A Purge Needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790224)

The code from ANYONE at Microsoft is venom ... and must be dead ... and must be deleated.

Neither Microsoft nor Apple can be trusted! They are both EVIL. KILL their CODE! ... Let their
bodies BURN.

A real good day will be when the bodies of Microsoft and Apple employees are burning in the streets.

-- //

I'm going to enjoy the people without humor radars who respond in horror to this post.

yeh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36790272)

What about "thank you" and "but that does not means we are friends"... Keep tje code flowing

Repent! Repent! For the end is nigh.... (0)

Inzite (472846) | more than 2 years ago | (#36790306)

The Lord's book has foretold just this event [bible.cc] , promised to occur just as Jesus Christ our savior returns to reign on earth as King of kings.

Or, the way I prefer to think about it: "Last call for fornicating and altar boy fondling! The party ends in five minutes. So satisfy your sinful urges one last time, and start moving towards the door. Oh yeah, and don't forget to step into the confessional on your way out."
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