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Bill Clinton Says 'Paint Your Roofs White'

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the i'll-get-right-on-that dept.

Earth 722

Hugh Pickens writes "Former President Bill Clinton thinks 'every black roof in New York should be white; every roof in Chicago should be white; every roof in Little Rock should be white. Every flat tar-surface roof anywhere! In most of these places you could recover the cost of the paint and the labor in a week.' Noting that Mayor Bloomberg started a program to hire and train young people to paint New York's roofs white, Clinton says a big percentage of the kids have been able to parlay this simple work into higher-skilled training programs or energy-related retrofit jobs. The benefit: not only will 'cool roofs' lower the utility bill in every apartment house 10 to 20 percent, but it frees cash that can be spent to increase economic growth. Clinton presented this with fourteen additional ideas for growing the economy, saving energy, and attacking the jobs crisis."

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Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingles? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#36803254)

Much less *asphalt* shingles?!?!?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803298)

Spray gun maybe?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (5, Funny)

dlingman (1757250) | about 2 years ago | (#36803302)

Pigeons. Lots of Pigeons. Just sprinkle roof with bread crumbs, and get out of the way.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803398)

It will even get you free internet if you use RFC 1149 [ietf.org].

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803304)

You don't. He's talking about flat roofs.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803308)

Shouldn't every roof be covered with solar panels?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Columcille (88542) | about 2 years ago | (#36803368)

Considering how expensive they are, it's a bit harder to show how solar panels will pay for themselves.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803448)

The nice disadvantage of covering a roof with solar panels is that in case of a fire barely or no water will reach the fire.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803576)

LOL, pray tell, where does it go? Do you have any examples of this being a problem? Is this the really the boogyman you will rely on to promote something in the place of decentralized solar?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803340)

With a spray gun?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (2, Informative)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | about 2 years ago | (#36803386)

Asphalt shingles come in any color you like.

I'd rather have black asphalt shingles and a soffit/ridge venting system that I can control, so I vent the heat in the summer or trap it in the winter.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#36803470)

Okay, I'll go back in time and have them build my house with those. I'll also make a plea to the homeowners association to allow this while I'm there and maybe stop 9-11 from happening. Anyone else have any requests for shit for me to do while I'm in 2000?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (5, Insightful)

Altus (1034) | about 2 years ago | (#36803542)

I hate to break this to you, but if you do own your house, you will end up putting a new roof on it sooner or later. My guess, given your tone, is that it will be sooner than you think it will.

Now would be a good time to bring this up with your home owners association so you can make the best choice when that time finally comes.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803556)

Yes! WARN HAITI! WARN JAPAN!
 
And tell the U.S. what a tits-up unmitigated disaster W would be as president. Oh, and the Tea baggers.
 
And tell me to dump my f'ing tech stocks!

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (2, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#36803484)

Well, that raises a very good question.
What will white roofs do in the winter? Make the building colder?
I think it costs more to cool down than to heat up, but what happens if power goes out and there is no chimney?
Is the cost savings there after taking this into consideration or not?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (3, Informative)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about 2 years ago | (#36803612)

What will white roofs do in the winter? Make the building colder?

A roof is white in winter because of the snow.

Said another way, we already have white roofs in cold climates in the winter because the snow makes the shingle color irrelevant.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (4, Interesting)

robot256 (1635039) | about 2 years ago | (#36803632)

The difference is even greater because in the winter, there is less sunlight to do the heating. The savings during the summer win hands down. If the power goes out, the color of the roof is not going to make an appreciable difference--unless maybe you sleep in the attic. Never heard of anybody doing that.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (1)

eth1 (94901) | about 2 years ago | (#36803622)

Asphalt shingles come in any color you like.

I'd rather have black asphalt shingles and a soffit/ridge venting system that I can control, so I vent the heat in the summer or trap it in the winter.

I'd rather have solar panels (or something else to capture the heat energy) completely covering the roof with an air gap underneath.

Keeps the solar energy off the roof, and lets me do something useful with it. (I live where we spend much more energy trying to cool houses than to heat them)

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (4, Informative)

hey! (33014) | about 2 years ago | (#36803410)

There's a product for this. It's designed to go over asphalt shingle and they call it ... wait for it ... "roof coating". Here's a link to the manufacturers' trade group: http://www.roofcoatings.org/wcc.html [roofcoatings.org].

How long before we here the politicians whining that Clinton's trying to outlaw roof shingles or make everyone replace their roof.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#36803606)

There's a product for this. It's designed to go over asphalt shingle and they call it ... wait for it ... "roof coating". Here's a link to the manufacturers' trade group: http://www.roofcoatings.org/wcc.html [roofcoatings.org].

How long before we here the politicians whining that Clinton's trying to outlaw roof shingles or make everyone replace their roof.

It costs about $10 to $15 per gallon, and covers about 100 sq feet.. So its going to cost me about a months electric bill to paint it on. At a 10% savings it'll pay for itself, at about 3 months of summer per year, in about 4 years. That skips a whole lot of accounting "net present value of the money vs the loan interest rate vs a typical rate of return of my favorite PRPFX mutual fund". Also skips the cost of labor and the environmental cost of making the goop itself. The problem is the stuff HD sells is warranted at 7 years, and everything there is very optimistic as you know.

So its probably not an economic success in most of the country, especially not CHC or NYC as the x-prez claimed. In FL TX AZ or the reconquista areas of CA, it probably makes economic sense.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803450)

buy a white steel roof. the initial expense will be made up by your labor. They are way easier and faster to install than shingle roofs you'll get 3-10x the lifetime. or just get light colored shingles the next time you replace your shitty inferior roof which you will likely need to do in the near future
However, bill clinton is probably wrong if he is recommending white roofs on residential (sloped) construction at northern latitudes. the reflectivity of your roof is a more difficult choice in chicago than in the sunbelt. I would be surprised to find a reflective roof a net gain for a house in Chicago.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803482)

If you live in a warm climate, next time you replace the shingles pick as light a color as you can.

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (4, Informative)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#36803514)

I'd use white roof coating, rolled on some test shingles nailed to a sheet of plywood before trying any specific coating on a home. It may take a couple of coats to cover. I would also consider a light gray coating if available.

http://www.roofcoatings.org/wcc.html [roofcoatings.org]

The temp reduction is no joke. I coated the tops of my ISO container shop buildings and my metal house roof white. The ISOs are sealed, no windows (stormproof and keeps my gear dry) and get rather warm. White tops make them reasonable workspaces.

I didn't add the glass microspheres one can buy to mix with paints and roof coatings, but I'll do that next time. (BTW I fucking HATE asphalt shingles. If I won the lottery I'd use steel trusses and modern standing seam roofing.)

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803518)

Buy white shingles when you redo the roof?

Re:Great, so how the hell do I paint ashalt shingl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803620)

Elastomeric seals cover just about anything. A quick search on google (http://www.google.com/search?q=elastomeric+asphalt+shingles) shows a few different brands that say they specifically cover asphalt shingles. I personally have a flat roof and have used elastomeric products to extend the life of my roof a few more years.

What about those that live in colder climates? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803290)

Here in North Dakota, we need all the heat we can get in the 8 months of winter :)

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803360)

It doesn't matter what color your roof is under the snow.

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (1)

ak_hepcat (468765) | about 2 years ago | (#36803464)

Alaska roofs are even worse. But I hear ya, my igloo brother from a more southern latitude.

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (2)

cdh (6170) | about 2 years ago | (#36803512)

I'm going to repeat what the AC posted so others can see it. Evidently nobody else reads the other posts (shocking, I know) since this question has been asked about 10 times already, so one dupe on an answer should be OK.

I live in Minnesota. Those same 8 months you're talking about my asphalt singled roof is covered in snow. It doesn't matter what color it is.

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (2)

Altus (1034) | about 2 years ago | (#36803610)

I live in New England, but my roof is slanted enough that the snow does not stay on it yet I spend far more on heating my house than I do on cooling it. Plus there are plenty of places where much of the year they are heating and yet there is very little snow. Maybe this problem is more complicated than we are making it out to be by applying what we are familiar with in our own houses and climates.

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803524)

In North Dakota, your roof is covered in snow when you need the heat most, meaning the color has no impact on your heating bills.

Re:What about those that live in colder climates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803546)

My roof is already covered in a white powdery substance all winter. It goes away in the spring.

wait a second... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803310)

Won't we have to just paint them black in time for winter?

Not to mention the expense of painters, paint, injury insurance...

Re:wait a second... (1, Insightful)

indeterminator (1829904) | about 2 years ago | (#36803420)

No. You will have to paint them black for the night, and white for the day.

Black not only absorbs heat more efficiently, it also emits heat more efficiently.

Kids On Roofs: +3, Informative (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803312)

: Population control.

Anywhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803314)

Unless, God forbid, there might be places on Earth where people want to take in as much heat as possible...

In other words... (2)

KingKomet (1150273) | about 2 years ago | (#36803332)

...Bill Clinton is invested in Behr.

Re:In other words... (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 years ago | (#36803490)

Oh yes, because this will cause an uptick in paint prices, for sure. Conventionally, houses are painted in their entirety every 10 years. In the united states there are approximately 100 million houses. Every month about 1 million whole houses are painted. If the entirety of Manhattan painted their roofs in a month, that would be less than a percent of that number. Moreover, there are a large number of paint brands, making individual company speculation a challange.

I have no problem wiht cynicism, it's good, it's healthy. I have a problem with stupid cynicism. Your conspiracy theory is just plain weak. No politician is ever ever ever allowed to use their notability to share useful ideas, right?

Saves a lot of money (3, Insightful)

StillStanding (1122577) | about 2 years ago | (#36803334)

I've had white shingles for 8 years now -- chosen for this very reason. I turn on the A/C about 1/3 of the time my neighbors do (with black shingles). Saved me a lotta money :-) It's worth it long term on an individual basis and an environmental basis. When you can get both to coincide then it must be right!

Re:Saves a lot of money (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803504)

So then I take it you don't have much insulation in your attic?

Depends on where you live (2)

Latent Heat (558884) | about 2 years ago | (#36803602)

Three things.

One, the advantage of "painting your roof white" may depend on where you live. Even with this sweltering heat wave, those of us living far north of the Mason Dixon line spend far less on A/C than we do on heat. The reflective coating may not be best in every situation.

Secondly, it is not simply a matter of painting something white. An optimal coating has to have a high emissivity as well as high reflectivity. For example, a tin (galvanized metal) roof can get very hot because it is reflective, yes, but it doesn't emit heat very well either, and such a roof may not save on A/C usage.

Thirdly, there may be "lower tech" solutions to the same thing. I had a new shingle roof put up on my dad's place. We looked into the extra-cost Energy Star shingles that would have also qualified for the tax credit, but the roofer suggested going with a conventional shingle on account of cost, availability, and going with a known quantity in terms of lifetime, but the roofer installed ridge vents.

Those ridge vents keep the upstairs a good 10 deg-F cooler on sunny summer days. Of course ridge events are not "Democracy-whiskey-sexy" and do not qualify for Federal tax credits, but I would recommend them any day. Yes, by keeping the attic cooler, you get less solar gain in cold seasons, but by increasing ventilation, they should help dry out the insulation and make it work more effectively, both summer and winter.

Can't we get a color-changing paint? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803344)

White is good only for summer months, black is better in winter months. Can't they create a paint that will change color depending upon temperature?

Re:Can't we get a color-changing paint? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#36803488)

Except for the fact during winter your roof is covered with hopefully white snow.

Re:Can't we get a color-changing paint? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803600)

Except for the fact during winter your roof is covered with hopefully white snow.

You know... southern states (that get little to no snow) get cold too.

Re:Can't we get a color-changing paint? (1)

Znork (31774) | about 2 years ago | (#36803540)

They can and they have, look up thermochromic paint. I even have a coffee cup which is black when cold but turns white (or rather transparent, but the underlying colour is white) when containing hot coffee.

White roads & roofs would reduce global warmin (1)

GabriellaKat (748072) | about 2 years ago | (#36803362)

I know there have been several article postings on slashdot about changing the roads to white color to reduce the absorption of the suns rays and reduce global warming. Makes sense if we all did it with roofs also.

Re:White roads & roofs would reduce global war (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803426)

Years ago a lot of roads were white and made of concrete.

Re:White roads & roofs would reduce global war (1)

jonbtn (530417) | about 2 years ago | (#36803530)

While I am all for measures that might help the environment, I would absolutely hate to drive on white roads. How much of that light is now reflected into the eyes of all drivers? Talk about making a dangerous situation much, much worse!

What about the winter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803364)

My heating bills in NJ are higher than the corresponding electric bills for air conditioning in the summer. Wouldn't painting the roofs white lead to a colder house in the winter? Should roof tiles instead be some sort of gray, depending on the area of the country, taking into account that local environments mixture of heating and air conditioning energy usage?

Re:What about the winter? (1)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | about 2 years ago | (#36803474)

here in Wisconsin, my summer utility bills can be as much as triple my winter costs.
in the winter there is often 6-12 inches of very white snow on my roof.
I have a light grey roof and painting it probably wouldn't help much.
What I need are new windows.

What about cold climates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803374)

I live in Alaska. Arguably I should paint my roof black to help with solar heating. I don't need cooling. My house doesn't even have an air conditioner.

There must be locations somewhere between Alaska and Arizona where the logic for painting a roof white is not so clear cut. Should we paint roofs in Seattle gray?

but.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803376)

thats racist.

Re:but.... (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 2 years ago | (#36803526)

It's only racist if it insults brown people. Now stop with the excuses, and paint your roof honky-colored, cracker.

What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803378)

What if I want a black roof?

White or black? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803388)

I spend a lot more money heating my house than cooling it, so I'll keep my dark colored shingles.

Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (-1, Troll)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#36803394)

Why would you listen to a fucking shyster regarding an engineering problem?

Maybe paint your roof white if you pay more for AC then you do for heat. Maybe.

In the spirit of Bill Clinton I will now give my advice regarding habius corpus: paint it green so it works better.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | about 2 years ago | (#36803480)

If it's a good idea does it matter where it came from? Days are shorter in the winter so the impact of the sun is less substantial and as somebody else pointed out - it doesn't matter what color it is with snow on it.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803570)

A) white paint is reflecting visible light. It's still absorbing most of the infrared. Depending on the formula, you could be taking on more heat from the sun.

B) if you have a properly vented attic space it doesn't matter what color your shingles are, and you will benefit all year round.

C) painting your roof white should come long after you upgrade your insulation, HVAC system, or any of a million things that would yield a better result

This isn't about the environment, this is a bullshit government jobs program, and is about money. Like recycling. Paying minimum wage to sort out glass and plastic bottles isn't helping the environment, it's just busy work for our increasingly useless population, and free money for our rulers.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (4, Insightful)

s122604 (1018036) | about 2 years ago | (#36803616)

Exactly: There's much more sun in the summer than the winter, i.e. white shingles will "help" in the summer much more than they "hurt" in the winter, even if your roof isn't covered by snow.

Also heating (especially if it's via a new gas furnace, even the cheaper models are running over 90%, so efficient their chimneys can be made out of PVC pipe) is MUCH more efficient than even the best AC unit.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803544)

Are you a Rhodes scholar who has an engineering degree but doesn't have a law degree? Just sayin'. A lot of bad things are said about Clinton; but he is generally not accused of being stupid. I don't think digesting a study on roof-painting, analyzing it to see if it's a good idea, and coming to a proper conclusion is too difficult for him. I'd be more concerned, as others have pointed out, that he has an ulterior motive due to some relationship with a paint supplier or a contractors association. Now that's the kind of problem that Clinton might have. Morality problems yes, intelligence problems no.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (2)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#36803566)

I am not a Clinton fan but he is probably correct on this one, at least in the context of the continental United States, and lets leave room for a few exceptions like our very arid South West region.

Suppose you live in Cleveland, Augusta, Boston, New York, Billings, Minneapolis, Louisville, Seattle, or some such place. Now lets assume you are right and your heating costs generally exceed your cooling costs. You might think a dark colored roof's absorption of solar radiation in the winter would be of more value than a white roofs reflection of it in the summer would be. Well yes, but in the summer your roof is exposed, but in the winter is probably covered with bright white snow anyway, so what color it is makes little difference.

Yes many people do shovel their roofs in the snowier climates, but few scrape them clean enough they are not for the most part white, all winter long.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (2)

bigredradio (631970) | about 2 years ago | (#36803584)

Not listening to a potential good idea because he is a lawyer or because you disagree with his politics is closed minded and ignorant. I don't care who the good ideas come from as long as they are good. This appears to be a good idea. Besides, I am sure he is only lending his popular name and image to the idea to get publicity and did not perform an engineering study on his own. This is the same as Al Gore. He is not a climatologist. Just a good public speaker and motivator. Bush had some decent ideas too, but they were shot down just because they came from him. I didn't like it when that happened to Bush and I don't like that with Clinton. If you are still not convinced, then do your own study to see if he is full of crap. If the details of your study is "pfst he is a lawyer so fuck him!", then how many people are you going to sway with your argument. You just come off looking like an ass.

Re:Bill Clinton is a fucking lawyer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803604)

If you want something said ask a politician, if you want something done ask an engineer.

What about winter? (1)

mrquagmire (2326560) | about 2 years ago | (#36803400)

A white roof would raise my heating costs in the winter. What I really need is a white roof in the summer and a black roof in the winter!

Re:What about winter? (1)

DWMorse (1816016) | about 2 years ago | (#36803472)

Unlikely that having a black roof actually helps out your house at all. Anecdotal evidence, having a black car in the winter never made it any easier to start, and the cab was never any warmer. However, having a black car in the summer? Much hotter in the cab.

Also, aren't you neglecting snow as a factor? That tends to be pretty white anyway, and that naturally happens.

Re:What about winter? (1)

goofy183 (451746) | about 2 years ago | (#36803536)

So you have no snow cover in the winter? Not being to flippant, just curious how big of a band of the US has cold enough weather to require heat but not enough snow to generally have your roof be white all winter anyways?

Re:What about winter? (1)

crow (16139) | about 2 years ago | (#36803648)

Here in New England, I would estimate that we have snow on the roof perhaps a third of the time when the heat is on, perhaps less. With sloped roofs, it doesn't take much to get them to clear off, especially if we have a few sunny days after a snow storm.

And in the winter? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803404)

Do you paint them black again? Or do you just use up all that AC energy you saved on heating?

Everybody lives in the exact same situation and has the exact same needs. Thats why simple solutions that you put little or no thought into, like this one, always work. Right?

Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803412)

I'm in Canada, you insensitive clod! :)

Does this also provide a benefit in the colder countries, like here in Canada?

Sooooo...by Slick Willy's Logic.... (0)

Old Sparky (675061) | about 2 years ago | (#36803422)

...all roofs in New York should also be painted black in winter, because damnit, it gets cold in New York in winter.
Repainting roofs twice a year sounds like one of those roller-ready jobs programs.
Howzabout some education grants to a few SMART kids, send them to college to get chemical engineering degrees, and invent roofing materials that reflect heat in summer and absorb heat in winter?

Re:Sooooo...by Slick Willy's Logic.... (4, Interesting)

hey! (33014) | about 2 years ago | (#36803596)

Look. Just because somebody thought of something you haven't doesn't make them dumb. People have been talking about this for years, and *yes* they've taken into account the fact that you'd like to get solar heating from your roof in the winter.

You don't get much solar heating in the winter at the latitude of New York because the days are short and the sunlight oblique. New York is at roughly 40 degrees of latitude, and midwinter the sun rises to less than 30 degrees of elevation off the horizon.

The argument might make sense for La Paz, Bolivia, but not New York.

My roof is not so large (1)

bugs2squash (1132591) | about 2 years ago | (#36803432)

I could probably put a white tarp over it in Summer and pull it off int he Winter, it might even stop the moss growing on the shingles.

Re:My roof is not so large (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#36803646)

Possibly if the tarp is completely opaque, otherwise the filtered light and trapped moister will probably make the moss worse.

racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803434)

Painting them white is just racist!

Apologies to Mick, Keith and company (5, Funny)

surmak (1238244) | about 2 years ago | (#36803466)

I see a black root and I want it painted white.
That way it's cooler and will reflect much more light.

I get the A/C bill and it is through the sky.
The cash I'm wasting there it makes me want to cry.

(add more lyrics)

Heat Loss in Winter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803486)

While you save AC costs in summer, you block heat gain in winter. in Chicago and New York, the winter losses are greater than the summer savings

Except for the evil HOA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803494)

Where I live, homeowner association bans anything but the standard dark roofs.

This is one of those things that is too simple (1)

Vitriol+Angst (458300) | about 2 years ago | (#36803538)

I always thought; "Why aren't roofs white" for this very reason.

"Certainly, SOMEBODY would have pushed to have light roofs and roads if it had a benefit." Turns out, that in human society, "somebody" is trampled under the hoofs of the stampede of EVERYBODY KNOWS....

Also simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803588)

Find a white-roofed neighborhood and stare down at the roofs all afternoon on a sunny day. Or, if the neighborhood is hilly, just drive around in the sun without sunglasses.

To take advantage of the nickels you'll save on AC, you have to be able to stand living there.

- Capt. Obvious

Not Politically Correct (0)

hercubus (755805) | about 2 years ago | (#36803552)

Shouldn't that be "paint African-American roofs white?"

You'd think our first black president would know better

I just love environmental Experts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803568)

Between Chu and Clinton, we are to arm ourselves with buckets of white paint and hit the roofs. Bloomberg is getting an army to do this. Anyone wan't to guess how much white paint it would take to do NYC, not to mention the rest of the country? Want to add roadways?

Anyone want to guess how much titanium dioxide is required for this? Where it is going to come from? What the TiO2 mining areas will look like when we start this? Are we going to make the paint using any organic chemicals? If so, where do they come from? Oil? Got enough and processing.

If Chu is dumb enough to believe this, then I wonder how he passed any freshman physics course. Clinton knows that the enviro's will believe any dumb thing he says.

Really, do they give IQ tests for being an environmental believer and if you score too high they don't let you become one?

obvious joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803572)

Bill Clinton... painting things white... obvious joke here people.

which is ok... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803580)

when it's hot, when it's cold your going to want your black roofs back again to absorb any heat you can get, to again save on utility bills.

sounds like what's really needed is a reversible surface that can change with the season.

Isn't there a Reason roofs are black (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36803608)

Isn't there a Reason roofs are black? At least in northern climates isn't it to melt snow/ice accumulation and prevent catastrophic house collapses? I'm all for saving energy but not if it risks loosing your home to do it. Maybe theres a business opportunity here, a low cost white wrap for roofs, kind of like what is used to protect boats over the winter. Or some automatic "awning" that covers a roof with a thin plastic sheath during hot calm days but retracts it during cold or windy days. Simply "painting roofs white" seems to be a risky proposition to me, and aimed far more at creating some artificial boost to the economy then any real improvement to home efficiency.

ridicule Clinton (0)

epine (68316) | about 2 years ago | (#36803618)

People with a vested interest against change invest exceptional vehemence in queering any initiative that reeks of cost-effective progress. Here 1%, there 1%, pretty soon you're driving a solar powered apple cart.

People are raising eyebrows about painting asphalt. For a real challenge, try slathering another layer of ridicule on ex-president Clinton after the Republicans spooged a million cans of peach mint flavoured Dream Whip on his illustrious doings.

in soviet russia.. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#36803644)

you would paint the holiday home black, if you had paint, if not then only the roof. and you would have built the house with short bits of leftover planks (they were built in tight villages, smart, in russia).

And then... (0, Flamebait)

TopSpin (753) | about 2 years ago | (#36803656)

After we get every surface painted white the climatologists will discover that reflecting energy back into the sky somehow leads to reduced cloud cover causing a net increase in global temperature. Mark my words. Or not. I'll just link back here when it happens.

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