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Dumpster Drive: File-Sharing For Your Digital Trash

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the are-you-done-with-this-mp3? dept.

Data Storage 79

An anonymous reader writes "Dumpster Drive is a file-sharing application that recycles digital files. Using dumpster diving as a model for recirculating unwanted objects, Dumpster Drive allows others to dig through files that you delete on your computer in a passive file-sharing network. Instead of simply erasing data from your computer, the software allows users to extend the lifecycle of their unwanted files and pass them on to others." Not sure how useful this is, but I think it's a neat idea.

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Security Risk? (2)

powerlord (28156) | about 2 years ago | (#36814382)

n.t.

Re:Security Risk? (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#36815304)

maybe the idea is that you could say to the riaa cops that you didn't share the file, you deleted it..

Re:Security Risk? (1)

powerlord (28156) | about 2 years ago | (#36816358)

I don't know, it just sounds like a trojan horse out trolling for personal data.

Re:Security Risk? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36828896)

I think it is more of an experiment, just to see what crap people choose to delete with this program. I'm not saying nobody will put personal data in this dumpster, but they'd have to be pretty dumb to do it since it requires a conscious effort both to install this program and to put the data in the special dumpster folder rather than the regular trash folder.

All I have to say is (3, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 2 years ago | (#36814386)

Capital Face-palm.

Re:All I have to say is (3, Funny)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 2 years ago | (#36814418)

Oh, I get it. Check the site, it's a Apple only thing. That actually makes sense in a lot of ways.

Re:All I have to say is (4, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 2 years ago | (#36814524)

It's not so far removed from reality. Kazaa users often used to share their whole hard drives.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#36816736)

Hell you'd be surprised how many to this very day do this with P2P programs. Just fire up any P2P like Emule or Bearshare or any of the other classic P2P and look for * plus the file extension for various programs like Quicken and Quickbooks and be prepared to be amazed at how many are sharing their data with the world!

As for TFA this idea is so patently dumb the only thing I can do is wear this expression [www.meh.ro] when thinking about it. Granted fixing PCs all day I wear that expression a lot, but this level of dumbshit boosted the depth of that expression a good 4 fold.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

Dr Herbert West (1357769) | more than 2 years ago | (#36918570)

I used to do that with Napster back in the day.

It was great-- the idea that I could share every bit of obscure music that I had with anyone that was interested... and vice versa. I remember days where I would only listen to music that came up when I'd type "drunk" or "rickety" or something into the search bar. Good times. It never occurred to me at the time ('99 maybe?) that it would be a security risk ;)

Re:All I have to say is (1)

alphatel (1450715) | about 2 years ago | (#36814548)

Oh, I get it. Check the site, it's a Apple only thing. That actually makes sense in a lot of ways.

How long before they put the kibosh on this Apple-only thing?

Re:All I have to say is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814846)

So it's a surefire way to find lots of show tunes and gay porn.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

bigpet (1695756) | about 2 years ago | (#36814950)

Why would they delete that? Wouldn't you rather find the accidentally downloaded straight porn that was deleted?

Re:All I have to say is (4, Funny)

jojoba_oil (1071932) | about 2 years ago | (#36814964)

So it's a surefire way to find lots of show tunes and gay porn.

No, no. You've got it wrong. This will contain things that Apple-users delete.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about 2 years ago | (#36814972)

So it's a surefire way to find lots of show tunes and gay porn.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

flappinbooger (574405) | about 2 years ago | (#36816624)

Oh, I get it. Check the site, it's a Apple only thing. That actually makes sense in a lot of ways.

Because Apple users never do anything confidential or top secret? And they anthropomorphify their data and don't want to "kill it" and this will let the nice little bits and bytes "live on"?

Re:All I have to say is (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#36818848)

Actually, I was going to say because one of them was creative enough to come up with an alternative means of filesharing.

Unless you were trying to be funny, in which case I completely agree.

Re:All I have to say is (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 2 years ago | (#36817736)

Yea. Now that Apple is strongly interlinked with Big Media, i am surprised that they do not remove copy as a easily available file action to promote treating files as more physical. Perhaps with a special "xerox" icon for copying, complete with a cop or lawyer next to it that gives a thumb up or down on the legality of making a copy of that file.

I didn't think it was April (1)

Elros (735454) | about 2 years ago | (#36814402)

Isn't this about 3 and a half months too late?

Re:I didn't think it was April (1)

MichaelKristopeit411 (2018832) | about 2 years ago | (#36814442)

no?

you're an idiot.

Re:I didn't think it was April (1)

obergfellja (947995) | about 2 years ago | (#36814886)

-_- don't know if top parent of this tread is trolling or just stupid.

Re:I didn't think it was April (1)

jitterman (987991) | about 2 years ago | (#36815110)

You may not know - this guy MichaelKristopeit has multiple accounts from which he spews shite. He hates just to hate, feeding him is highly discouraged :) He may shrivel & die one day, but one of his many doppelgangers will simply replace him.

Re:I didn't think it was April (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36815204)

It appears that top two are troll posts. Thanks for the heads up.

Information (1)

brit74 (831798) | about 2 years ago | (#36814436)

Well, they say "information wants to be free" and I've never heard "information wants to be permanently deleted".

Re:Information (2)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 2 years ago | (#36815292)

Well, they say "information wants to be free" and I've never heard "information wants to be permanently deleted".

I have emo information.

No (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814440)

At the risk of sounding cynical

There is absolutely NO WAY that this is real. It's got to be a hoax.

Re:No (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814534)

Furthermore,

If this is actually real, anyone who uses this has to be absolutely, terminally and utterly Fucking Retarded.

This must be full of bad porn (1)

JonySuede (1908576) | about 2 years ago | (#36814448)

This must be full of bad porn and sensitive documents.

Re:This must be full of bad porn (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 2 years ago | (#36814512)

Well, if one shreds documents properly, it should be full of cryptographically secure random numbers.

Surreptitious file sharing (1)

Ruke (857276) | about 2 years ago | (#36814494)

Welp, I guess I'm done with this copy of my music library. Guess I'd better recycle it...

New horizons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814514)

Internet bums!

Why I delete files (1)

Tyr07 (2300912) | about 2 years ago | (#36814550)

I delete files for the following reasons: -To make room on my hard drive. -I don't want it stumbled upon. -Part of program removal. -It's old and outdated, and I have a more recent version. -Security E.G CREDIT CARD INFORMATION. Why would I want a program hanging on to files? Cluttering my computer, preventing files being overwritten, just so someone else can have it?

Re:Why I delete files (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36829046)

When you empty the dumpster folder this program creates it uploads the files to a server and deletes them from your hard drive. Sensitive information? Just don't put any in the dumpster folder.

Not for general use! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814564)

This is only for files you feel have no use and have no relation to yourself, personally.
You'd have to be stupid to want to replace your recycle bin with this. (which it doesn't, well, SHOULDN'T, NOT EVEN AN OPTION FOR IT)

For people who collect random crap from the net and feel like sharing it on, bham, drag it in the recyclenet and be happy someone else might find SOME use for the file.
If not, then you should feel bad for saving it. Yes, that porn too.

I wonder how big this could get to becoming a large distributed file server.
I had high-hopes for that OFF System, but last I checked it seemed dead. (probably because of threats because the idea itself can work given the right software behind it /tinfoil hat)
If they get a Windows port going, might have some more success. (and Linux if there isn't already)

Re:Not for general use! (1)

rhook (943951) | about 2 years ago | (#36817090)

I wonder how big this could get to becoming a large distributed file server.

It doesn't work that way, once someone downloads a file it is removed from the network.

Not sure how useful it is (2)

Zomalaja (1324199) | about 2 years ago | (#36814670)

Are you kidding ? Anything I delete I certainly don't want to share with anyone.

Registrant Contact:,br> dumpsterdrive.com@proxy.dreamhost.com
A Happy DreamHost Customer
417 Associated Rd #324
Brea, CA 92821

What's at 417 Associated Rd #324 in Brea? - The BREA MAIL CENTER, of course amongst other things. What a crock.

Re:Not sure how useful it is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814800)

A Happy DreamHost Customer
What's at 417 Associated Rd #324 in Brea? - The BREA MAIL CENTER, of course amongst other things. What a crock.

Dreamhost is a major web hosting business, and part of their service is an address proxy for your domains. When you register a domain, you're supposed to have a valid address and phone number where "a person" can be reached, but you probably don't want to be receiving any crap. Dreamhost, at their mail center, is happy to be the contact person, so that you don't have to receive any physical crap when you register a domain through them.

You can't say that somebody's website or software is "a crock" simply because they use the Dreamhost address proxy. I really don't know what you were trying to imply anyway. Software is better when you can send somebody mail?

Re:Not sure how useful it is (1)

dcollins (135727) | more than 2 years ago | (#36902064)

Perhaps software is better when you can serve somebody a legal summons for malfeasance.

You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (1, Insightful)

cmholm (69081) | about 2 years ago | (#36814684)

Maybe it's a generational thing, but the /. summary writer seems to have missed the point of why people (used to) dumpster dive: collect intelligence that could be used AGAINST the divee. I'd LOVE to pick through other people's stuff, but I'll be GD'ed if I'm going to reciprocate. The crap I delete includes material nearly as valuable in terms of PII, PI, and IP as the stuff I keep on my drives, whether home or office.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814820)

Ummm... I believe you are overestimating the value of your crap.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

cmholm (69081) | about 2 years ago | (#36815524)

Perhaps so. Let's install this tool on *your* system. Maybe there's more value to be found.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814882)

I hate to break it to you, but the goal of most (and by most, I mean 99.99%+) of all dumpster diving is not to get intelligence to use against your enemies, but to get physical things (food, clothing, books, computers, whatever) to make your life better. When diving is used to gather information, it's generally not information about a specific person or organization, but any information of a certain class (i.e. bank statements), without any regard for whose information it is.

Gotta love geeks--they see the world through the most paranoid filters imaginable.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36815490)

Actually, early hackers did dumpster dive to gather information. But as for today, you are right.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

cmholm (69081) | about 2 years ago | (#36815494)

I'll grant your general point, with a couple of footnotes: 1) to make the *diver's* life better, which may be a neutral or positive social good, and 2) it's the 0.01% that I'm worried about.

That 0.01% can be a real MFer, utterly negating the positive social effects of encouraging someone to sort through my trash, physical or virtual. I already shred the physical stuff I'm concerned about, but I'm not yet sold on the utility of taking time to sort the virtual.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 2 years ago | (#36815778)

i remember dumpster diving.. many years ago.. always went to one where there was this really bad computer repair shop.. they had a large customer base because they had no competition for a long time. anyways their techs had the the mentality of just replace and throw away and make the customer pay for it.. i never once found a bad part in that dumpster except ones that had been smashed by other things falling into it

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36815790)

I dumpster dive to feed my family but still vote tea party - what the fuck is wrong with me?

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#36816638)

Maybe it's a generational thing, but the /. summary writer seems to have missed the point of why people (used to) dumpster dive: collect intelligence that could be used AGAINST the divee.

Speak for yourself. Those of us who were not in the blackmail business did it to scrounge valuable junk.

I'd LOVE to pick through other people's stuff,

I wouldn't. I'd find yours quite boring.

The crap I delete includes material nearly as valuable in terms of PII, PI, and IP as the stuff I keep on my drives, whether home or office.

So in other words it's all worthless to anyone.

Re:You Know What Dumpster Diving Is For, Right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36817314)

I hate to use ad hominem, but you actually sound like a child here.

Really not the bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814748)

After watching the video it really isn't that bad of a security risk. The summary makes it seem like anything you delete will be downloadable by others when in fact you have to specifically put a file in the dumpster diving application to be downloadable. Yes, user's will be stupid enough to put files with sensitive information in their dumpster but stupid people are stupid people and shouldn't be allowed near a computer anyway.

Re:Really not the bad... (1)

kaizendojo (956951) | about 2 years ago | (#36814910)

Really? Your average "bright" user is still patently unaware of the amount of meta data hidden in the standard Word document. This is a stupid idea, and is either a joke or a scam to get users to part with information.

Service to the public (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814852)

I seem to have a virus on my computer that keeps placing a file called goatse.jpg in every directory. I keep deleting them. Perhaps this is a piece of software I should install on my machine.

Recycled Porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814878)

It's good for the internet and ok for you!

Stupid upon stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36814970)

Well for one I am glad that currently it is limited just to Apple. Good grief. Can you imagine how many dead links and broken shortcuts you would end up having, not to mention crappy photos we all end up trashing. Hey I may just think about adding to my collection of old shortcuts for Adobe 7, or maybe someone wants a untitled.txt who knows. It also proposes the idea of spreading malware through deleting items!

Seems people are intentionally missing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36815080)

First, not having a mac, I'm going to make a big assumption: that it has a system of checks. For instance, on installation, you tell it to only send mp3s, or pdfs to the dumpster drive, and even then, you have to go in and OK the individual files so you don't accidentally delete and upload your tax return.

If the software doesn't have this, I'd hope the author will be considering it after this thread.

Second, the software seems to be more about proof of concept than utility. You "bought" a license to use an eBook of Nora Roberts latest bodice ripper The Fire In My Pants, you read it, and now, you no longer want it. Rather than just deleting it, you'd be releasing your perfectly legal* (depending on your analysis of digital rights, sales, copying, whatever) copy into an open room where anyone searching for the keywords Fire Pants might find, and download the book, which remains perfectly legal. After realizing it's not as good as the Lifetime movie version, they delete it and the file returns to the void where over time, this book can continue being read and enjoyed by others.

If the argument is that you can't "share" your digital libraries legally by just letting someone plug in to your iPod because you retain control, then here, in the perfect world model, you're really passing your copy along and it's as legal* (again, depending on your analysis) as selling your iPod which is full of music you legally downloaded and paid for, or your Wii with a bunch of Virtual Console games already downloaded.

And in theory, this can create all kinds of experiments in social theory... artists creating one off digital prints, then surrendering them to the void, etc.

Hell, this sounds like the perfect delivery system for that uber-silly sounding "game-as-religious-concept" USB drive game also on Slashdot's front page today.

Re:Seems people are intentionally missing the poin (2)

some_guy_88 (1306769) | about 2 years ago | (#36815318)

For instance, on installation, you tell it to only send mp3s, or pdfs to the dumpster drive, and even then, you have to go in and OK the individual files so you don't accidentally delete and upload your tax return.

It is an alternative to your normal trash, not a replacement. You have to explicitly drag a file in there that you wish to be deleted and shared.

Re:Seems people are intentionally missing the poin (1)

Dr Herbert West (1357769) | more than 2 years ago | (#36918624)

Mod AC up please. There's all kinds of fun/interesting/theoretical projects that can come from this, and security will only be an issue for those who are security impaired regardless.

The rest of us can see this as a place where bits and bytes can go to die... and live on! With a thirst for BRAAAAAAIIIIINNNNSSSSSS.....

Why? (2)

Taibhsear (1286214) | about 2 years ago | (#36815332)

A.) What could I possibly want to delete from my computer that I would actively want to share with anyone? (ie. to my benefit)
B.) Can you imagine the number of copies of "New Folder" and "untitled folder" there would be in there?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36833372)

A.) What could I possibly want to delete from my computer that I would actively want to share with anyone? (ie. to my benefit)
B.) Can you imagine the number of copies of "New Folder" and "untitled folder" there would be in there?

RTFA

A) Music files our E-books you have bought, but grown tired of? Technical documentation that was hard to find (e.g. try to find any technical documentation about, say PostScript, that you need for a one time thing from Adobes site, even if you know the exact title of the document, it is still hard), that you no longer need, but someone else might?

B) The "dumpster" is not connected to the ordinary trash bin, you have to drag things to a dumpster icon, then empty that dumpster to upload them to the sharing site.

I hear the RIAA's footsteps (2)

kiehlster (844523) | about 2 years ago | (#36815476)

But I swear I didn't share any of my legally obtained music before I deleted it.

Re:I hear the RIAA's footsteps (2)

hAckz0r (989977) | about 2 years ago | (#36815748)

What's that? An echo? No. Thats the MPAA right behind them.

Next thing you know is we will have anonymous and distributed recycle bins rather than file sharing. "But your honour, I thought they were throwing it away!"

Re:I hear the RIAA's footsteps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#36816946)

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

The problem is of course that only one copy of the file should exist, so if someone dives your dumpster they should only be able to "move" the file to their own system, not "copy". Of course, only in my dreams, the judge might just go for that, if it's clear that it is indeed a transfer, not a copy.

NEVER AUTOPLAY ANYTHING ON YOUR SITE!!!!! (1)

evan fitzgerald (1932358) | more than 2 years ago | (#36823002)

Did these people never get the message? I load pages in background tabs. Sudden blaring descriptions of Dumpster Drive echoing through the office while I try to figure out which tab it opened in PISS ME OFF! Everyone remember, if you autoplay audio of any kind on your website there are large numbers of us who will hunt you down and beat you to a bloody pulp. Thank you.

interesting social experiment (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889544)

I think it will be cool to see files added to and passed around through this system, say something like daily journal with one entry from every person that picks up the file.

but in reality I think it is going to end up with full of trolls, p0rn and people looking for another way to "illegally" share copyrighted material.

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