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Hotspot Found On Moon's Far Side

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the thermal-exhaust-port dept.

Moon 96

derGoldstein tips this news from Discovery.com: "Scientists have found evidence of volcanoes on the far side of the moon. The new discovery, reported in the journal Nature Geoscience (abstract) is a rare example of volcanism on the lunar surface not associated with asteroid, meteor or comet impact events. ... They focused on an area containing numerous domes, some more than six kilometers high. The domes featured steeply sloping sides which Jolliff and colleagues interpret as, 'volcanic in origin and formed from viscous lava.'"

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Submission completed (4, Insightful)

dtmos (447842) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877084)

The domes featured steeply sloping sides which Jolliff and colleagues interpret as, 'volcanic in origin and formed from viscous lava'. . .

. . . 800 million years ago. While undeniably still an interesting and intriguing find, it was a hotspot, um, a while back.

Re:Submission completed (3)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877386)

The history of the moon is a subject that keeps being revised and researched. If you asked 20 years ago: "What is the Moon's origin?", it's likely that you'd be told it was a planet that got caught in Earth's gravity, because using the information they had then, it was the most likely theory. Now the Giant Impact Hypothesis [wikipedia.org] is favored. And water on the moon [bbc.co.uk]? Just a few years ago that would be a joke. Any new information helps.

Re:Submission completed (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877864)

The "water on the Moon" theory has been around for a long while, actually--Clementine [wikipedia.org] first provided evidence for it back in 1994, and it's been current in a fair amount of space development talk since then. The big news in recent years is proof that the hypothesized water ice is actually there. Similarly, the Giant Impact hypothesis was actually developed in the mid '70s (from the article you linked), and has been current since the mid '80s or so. Of course, it can take a while for that to trickle down.

Re:Submission completed (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#36879192)

Exactly. It's Futurama's claims [youtube.com] of whalers on the moon that I suspect. (Impact hypothesis, from the wiki page, was originally proposed in 1946.)

Re:Submission completed (1)

black soap (2201626) | more than 2 years ago | (#36882990)

Exactly. It's Futurama's claims [youtube.com] of whalers on the moon that I suspect. (Impact hypothesis, from the wiki page, was originally proposed in 1946.)

What, you think that just because there aint no whales, there can't be whalers on the moon?

Re:Submission completed (1)

formfeed (703859) | more than 2 years ago | (#36879948)

. . . 800 million years ago. While undeniably still an interesting and intriguing find, it was a hotspot, um, a while back.

That fits with some of the complaints that /. is running more and more old stories..

Re:Submission completed (1)

xmundt (415364) | more than 2 years ago | (#36880874)

greetings and salutations....
800 million years is only a slight tick of the clock in geological terms....Now. on my part, I saw the headline and before I expanded the article and saw it was about volcanoes.... I found myself wondering if it was open, used WEP (almost open) or WPA(2) for security, and, if I put a Yagi on my systerm, or hooked it up to a big dish (I have a spare 8' one kicking around), could I get a decent signal? I kind of figured it had to be faster than Verizon's air card these days....

Re:Submission completed (2)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | more than 2 years ago | (#36884504)

Maybe in astronomical terms 800 million years isn't a long time, but geologically it's still quite a while. The Earth looked quite different 800 million years ago.

To be fair ... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#36884584)

... it was still new back when NASA began planning a mission to go study it.

Hotspot Found on Moon's Far Side (5, Funny)

tomcode (261182) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877130)

The bad news: You need an AT&T account to use it.

Re:Hotspot Found on Moon's Far Side (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877616)

> The bad news: You need an AT&T account to use it.

Or an AT-AT, which is way cooler.

Re:Hotspot Found on Moon's Far Side (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#36879180)

You need an AT&T account to use it.

Yeah, a lot of good that would do for all the AT&T customers trying to make phone calls.

It's a black monolith (2)

Megahard (1053072) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877228)

Buried on the far side. Dimensions 1:4:9.

Re:It's a black monolith (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877330)

No I think that's where Superman buried Nuclear Man at the end of Superman IV

Re:It's a black monolith (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877714)

Not exactly. There was a scene where Superman stranded him on "the dark side" inside an elevator. But eventually, the sun came up, and a shaft of light hit him, and he revived. The end of Nuke Man was when Superman pushed the moon to block the sun to shut him down. He then threw him down into the exhaust of a nuclear reactor. All of the lights for miles around suddenly lit up, and Superman pushed the moon back. Very realistic. ;)

Re:It's a black monolith (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36881784)

Is it sad that the part I wasn't able to suspend disbelief for was the part where Superman threw him into the exhaust of a nuclear reactor?

Re:It's a black monolith (1)

lennier (44736) | more than 2 years ago | (#36890182)

Is it sad that the part I wasn't able to suspend disbelief for was the part where Superman threw him into the exhaust of a nuclear reactor?

What about the part where Superman said "Nuke... I am your father?" And then Jimmy Olsen kissed Lois Lane and told him she was Kal-El's sister and she said "I know... somehow I've always known."

Re:It's a black monolith (1)

Daniel Klugh (1935646) | more than 2 years ago | (#36900460)

Remember that this is the Silver Age Superman that we're talking about. The one who had a god-like tactile-psycho-kinetic (i.e. like psycho-kinesis, but only affecting what he's touching) ability to lift/move impossibly large objects without them falling apart under their own weight/mass.

No, what's really threatening to comic book fans sanity in this movie is Supes' rebuilding-the-great-wall-of-china vision!

Re:It's a black monolith (2)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877364)

Turn in your geek card.

The monolith was in Tycho, which is on Nearside, not Farside.

Ooooh! Really? (1)

mj1856 (589031) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877484)

Where can I get a geek card? I keep asking, but nobody ever listens to me...

Re:Ooooh! Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877604)

Where can I get a geek card? I keep asking, but nobody ever listens to me...

Please post your name, address and bank account number here, we'll send you a geek card within two days.

Cheers,

Geek Card Customer Support.

Re:Ooooh! Really? (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877672)

Ignore this post, it's an imposter.

You can only get a Geek Card(TM) if you pass the Standard Nerdacity Exam, and interview before your local Council of Geekery. Inquire at your local Dorkstation.

Re:Ooooh! Really? (1)

PwnzerDragoon (2014464) | more than 2 years ago | (#36886982)

I remember when I got my geek card. The worst part was the questioning by the Elders of the Internet before final approval...

Re:Ooooh! Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936244)

I remember when I got my geek card. The worst part was the questioning by the Elders of the Internet before final approval...

Apparently they didn't ask you questions about CPU architectures.

Re:Ooooh! Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936254)

I remember when I got my geek card. The worst part was the questioning by the Elders of the Internet before final approval...

Apparently they didn't ask you questions about CPU architectures.

Aren't they all powers of two?

Re:Ooooh! Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36878206)

Put out a public post on Google+ asking for a Geek Card. If you get enough followers, someone is bound to help you out. Remember, you no longer have "friends", you have "circles". After all, what is Google+ today but a big geek circle jerk?

Re:Ooooh! Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36881238)

Where can I get a geek card? I keep asking, but nobody ever listens to me...

Oh, we listen. We may not answer, but we certainly LISTEN.

Re:It's a black monolith (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#36881182)

Turn in your geek card.

The monolith was in Tycho, which is on Nearside, not Farside.

Maybe Clarke was wrong on this little detail.

Re:It's a black monolith (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878644)

The actual dimensions of a black monolith are "however big it needs to be". 1:4:9 is just the ratio of the proportions.

starbucks (1)

ZeroNullVoid (886675) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877234)

Where there is a hotspot there is a starbucks.

The rates are exceptionally well.

I hope you recognized star....

NASA standard Lunar Approach Joke #18 (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877984)

Where there is a hotspot there is a starbucks.

The rates are exceptionally well.

It's not a very good location, though. Seating's cramped and awkward, the baristas are always kind of unpleasant, there's not much of a view - the place just has no atmosphere.

This joke is just one of the many wonderful innovations brought to us by the Apollo program.

Re:NASA standard Lunar Approach Joke #18 (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878706)

Don't forget about all the iPad toting hipsters that stink up the place.

Because ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877310)

... that's where the Thorium powered alien craft crash landed!

$32 for the results of public funded research (2)

anwyn (266338) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877398)

This information was mostly created by NASA. The Authors mostly have jobs at Universities. So why does a member of the public have to pay $32 to read this paper?

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (1)

wrook (134116) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877798)

Probably a rhetorical question, but basically the publisher charges for organizing the peer review, editing and distribution. One of the primary goals of creating the WWW was to allow researchers to distribute their work without having to be at the mercy of the journal publishers. But even though a lot of papers are available for free on the web, the prestige factor still prompts a lot (most?) researchers to go through the old channels. As I'm sure you're aware, they don't actually get paid for it (and neither do the peer reviewers). But if you get your paper published in Nature (which is a *very* prestigious journal), it helps on your next grant application. Putting your paper on your own web server doesn't help at all.

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (2)

Will.Woodhull (1038600) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878084)

basically the publisher charges for organizing the peer review, editing and distribution.

That used to be the case, but increasingly in the USA over the last 20 years, companies like elsevier have been following a new paradigm: the publisher charges to make a profit.

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36881360)

That used to be the case, but increasingly in the USA over the last 20 years, companies like elsevier have been following a new paradigm: print whatever the corporations what you to print

There, fixed that for you [the-scientist.com]. Just don't want anyone to think elsevier is a credible publisher of scientific journals.

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877818)

If an organization is in a position to erect a paywall, they will likely do so. If you inquire into it, they'll bombard you with bureaucracy and tell you that, in fact, you're only paying a symbolic amount for the work they do, and you should be thankful. Academia and science journals are big fans of this approach.

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (1)

Paul Fernhout (109597) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878284)

Maybe they did not read this? http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html [pdfernhout.net]
"Foundations, other grantmaking agencies handling public tax-exempt dollars, and charitable donors need to consider the implications for their grantmaking or donation policies if they use a now obsolete charitable model of subsidizing proprietary publishing and proprietary research. In order to improve the effectiveness and collaborativeness of the non-profit sector overall, it is suggested these grantmaking organizations and donors move to requiring grantees to make any resulting copyrighted digital materials freely available on the internet, including free licenses granting the right for others to make and redistribute new derivative works without further permission. It is also suggested patents resulting from charitably subsidized research research also be made freely available for general use. The alternative of allowing charitable dollars to result in proprietary copyrights and proprietary patents is corrupting the non-profit sector as it results in a conflict of interest between a non-profit's primary mission of helping humanity through freely sharing knowledge (made possible at little cost by the internet) and a desire to maximize short term revenues through charging licensing fees for access to patents and copyrights. In essence, with the change of publishing and communication economics made possible by the wide spread use of the internet, tax-exempt non-profits have become, perhaps unwittingly, caught up in a new form of "self-dealing", and it is up to donors and grantmakers (and eventually lawmakers) to prevent this by requiring free licensing of results as a condition of their grants and donations. "

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (2)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 2 years ago | (#36885410)

This information was mostly created by NASA. The Authors mostly have jobs at Universities. So why does a member of the public have to pay $32 to read this paper?

The authors are at a mixture of American and German institutions (that information is freely available) ; the publication is British (costs a little research). So surely your question should be "why should anyone who is not British, German or American have to pay â30(Euro symbol, thank you incompetence of Slashcode) to read the full article?

To which the answer is : you do have the choice of paying around â150 (I don't know this years price scheme) and getting access to thousands of such article per year.

Your choice. Or perhaps you'd like the job of administering the paywall that keeps out non-Anglo-Americo-Deutsch people who haven't paid their sheckels?

Re:$32 for the results of public funded research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36893204)

Why should I want to keep out non-Anglo-Americo-Deutsch people? I'd be happy for them to have it free too, and maybe they'd do something worth publishing and publish that for free, perhaps even something that build on research from Anglo-Americo-Deutsch scientists.

The lunatic is on the grass (1, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877468)

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

lolwut? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36878796)

-1 I don't get it

Re:The lunatic is on the grass (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#36879262)

"The lunatic is on the grass" -- oh yeah, thanks for reminding me! :)

And, wow, lol at the fortune: "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? -- Pink Floyd" (The randomness of the universe continues to amaze me...)

hulu works on linux, billygates brain in toilet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877472)

yolah. pay per flush + use monitoring subscription plans required? steaming vdo in hd.

should it not be considered that the domestic threats to all of us/our
freedoms be intervened on/removed, so we wouldn't be compelled to hide our
sentiments, &/or the truth, about ANYTHING, including the origins of the
hymenology council, & their sacred mission? with nothing left to hide,
there'd be room for so much more genuine quantifiable progress?

you call this 'weather'? much of our land masses/planet are going under
water, or burning up, as we fail to consider anything at all that really
matters, as we've been instructed that we must maintain our silence (our
last valid right?), to continue our 'safety' from... mounting terror.

meanwhile, back at the raunch; there are exceptions? the unmentionable
sociopath weapons peddlers are thriving in these times of worldwide
sufferance? the royals? our self appointed murderous neogod rulers? all
better than ok, thank..... us. their stipends/egos/disguises are secure,
so we'll all be ok/not killed by mistaken changes in the MANufactured
'weather', or being one of the unchosen 'too many' of us, etc...?

truth telling & disarming are the only mathematically & spiritually
correct options. read the teepeeleaks etchings. see you there?

diaperleaks group worldwide.

thanks for your increasing awareness?

Hotspot Found On Moon's Far Side (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36877498)

Booo! I thought for certain this story was about a wifi hotspot on the moon. Moving on.

WEP Key (1)

UnknownJoe (1690214) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877506)

Dang, it's protected. Anyone know what the WEP key is? I really want to use their WiFi on my moon vacations every other Tuesday.

Geez guys .... (1)

giorgist (1208992) | more than 2 years ago | (#36877596)

Had this been a true to the title story, it would be phenomenal.
Its about lava activity 800million years ago, still cool though (sic)

You guys are stuck with starbucks and wifi ...

great news (1)

shakuni (644197) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878134)

i dont have to worry about internet connectivity when on business trips to the dark side...

Re:great news (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 2 years ago | (#36881018)

i dont have to worry about internet connectivity when on business trips to the dark side...

There is no dark side of the moon. As a matter of fact, it's all dark.

And my life will change how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36878316)

Great discovery, but my life will go on as usual! I don't see it being useful or beneficial at least at this time!

Re:And my life will change how? (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 2 years ago | (#36885488)

Great discovery, but my life will go on as usual! I don't see it being useful or beneficial at least at this time!

Said Becquerel's brother about the mysterious markings on his photographic plates.

Or, to quote a (possibly apocryphal) bumper sticker : "If we knew what we were doing, or what it was for, we couldn't call it research."

TITLE AND SUMMARY CORRECTION..... (0)

IHC Navistar (967161) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878504)

***** THERE IS NO HOTSPOT ON THE MOON *****
***** THERE ARE NO VOLCANOES ON THE MOON *****
***** THE EVIDENCE IS OF VOLCANISM 800,000,000 YEARS AGO *****

derGoldstein, please read the articles you BEFORE you type the summary AND TITLE. I mean, if you are linking to an article, please read it first.

Sincerely,

The Rest Of SlashDot

Re:TITLE AND SUMMARY CORRECTION..... (2)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878726)

Thank you for your constructive criticism. The title is actually the title as it appears on Discovery.com, and the part that's in quotes is ( -- wait for it -- ) a quote. I'm sure that Discovery News has a feedback section -- you should contact them asap, and include your edifying CAPS-LOCK comments.

Re:TITLE AND SUMMARY CORRECTION..... (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 2 years ago | (#36885698)

In addition to derGoldstein's valid points, as a geologist (a planetary scientist specialising in the planet that you reside on) the title, summary and article all seemed perfectly correct to me. "Hotspot" has been a geological term for some 25 years longer than it's been a computing term - in fact I was deeply puzzled by the first few comments talking about telephone companies and didn't make the connection until later. (Then again, people have died in my work for using wireless when misconfigured cards have set off detonators. I never did trust wireless networking and use it as little as possible. I wish I could get a laptop without it.)

800Myr ago? That would make it some of the most recent volcanism on the Moon. Pretty damned important ; doubly so because there's about 50km more rock to get from the core to the surface on the far side of the Moon than on the near side. That's like ... the thickness of the Himalayas.

No volcanoes on the Moon? BULLSHIT. The volcanoes on the Moon are (mostly) not (very) active, and are considerably different to volcanoes on the Earth (and to volcanoes on Mars, Venus, Triton or Io), but that doesn't make them any the less volcanoes. They may not fit your mental model of a "volcano", but unless you're some doyenne of volcanology whose existence I've not heard of before and the concept of whose existence I find, literally incredible, that marks a problem with you, not with the volcanicity of these volcanoes.

I love it when people come out with such intensely didactic statements as yours. It marks the author very clearly as someone who doesn't know what he's talking about, and whose opinion is of less value than the birdshit on my car roof.

Obligatory Star Control II reference (1)

Cyrano de Maniac (60961) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878660)

Fwiffo? Is that you?

Re:Obligatory Star Control II reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36879282)

Excellent.

Re:Obligatory Star Control II reference (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36879816)

Hello hunam, Fwiffo was on pluto!

Hell of a long way to go for wifi ! (1)

Snaller (147050) | more than 2 years ago | (#36878818)

And I'm not paying for the trip either.

Re:Hell of a long way to go for wifi ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36878852)

And your latency will suck too.

Volcano's or Vespane Geysers? (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 2 years ago | (#36879128)

It took long enough, but the Terran's have just found their natural expansion point for a second Command Post -- better send some over some SCV's

Re:Volcano's or Vespane Geysers? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36881400)

I think you have it all wrong, it's time to park a recycler [gamespot.com] on the vent...

(This reference even goes with the impactor theory... how quickly we forget the classics!)

Re:Volcano's or Vespane Geysers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36883968)

Did schools give up and just decide to start teaching kids to use apostrophes in plurals?

You missed an apostrophe in 'Geysers'.

Mooninites, unite and lock in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36880014)

I predict that 4chan is going to see an increase in traffic coming from ignignokt and err.

Re:Mooninites, unite and lock in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36880092)

On the moon, nerds are given swirlies in moon lava.

That's No Moon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36880544)

... Hotspot

IT'S A TRAP...

By the RIAA

the nazis are finally being engaged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36881914)

see hitler
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110725071106/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/4/42/Hitler-old3.jpg/150px-Hitler-old3.jpg

  fled on a space ship to the far side of the moon and has ever since been working to get even. after all these years the reason the space shuttle has been canceled is cause the war is over and that heat is the burning nazi base....

see here's proof
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Top_Secret_Nazi_Moon_Bases
haha

wifi (2)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36882182)

Ok, hands up, who else thought "what the heck are they doing with WIFI on the moon?" upon reading the headline? :-)

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