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Kepler to Investigate Newly Discovered Nebula

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the sentient-gas-cloud dept.

NASA 38

derGoldstein writes with an article in DigitalTrends: "An amateur astronomer recently discovered what has been confirmed to be one of the best looks yet at a planetary nebula, the last, gassy breath of a dying star. The nebula, named Kronenberger 61 after the enthusiast who discovered it, will offer insights into the future and death of our own sun."

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"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (3, Funny)

molo (94384) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888414)

Amy Winehouse, is that you?

-molo

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888482)

Too soon.

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

kthejoker (931838) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888506)

Comedy 101: If you're going for offensive, you have to be funny.

Seriously, that was Limbaugh-esque in its complete laziness.

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888560)

am I the only one who never heard of Amy Winehouse until she died and it officially became a Big Fucking Deal(tm)?

don't mean to speak badly of the dead... but in general... if you OD on a drug it is because you are dumb enough to ingest something without understanding it. it makes responsible drug users look bad. it causes idiotic wars on drugs and bad policies everywhere. people get really high and have a really good time after researching the substance, starting with very tiny doses until purity and potency are ascertained, being careful about set and setting so all responsibilities will be taken care of and nothing important left undone, no work missed etc, and then relax, sober up, and move on with their lives.

really it happens all the time. the ones who OD make all the rest look stupid by association in the minds of small-minded people who want to demonize a substance because of stupid people (and yeah the War on Drugs sure did stop THIS drug death huh, oh wait...). the last thing that mentality needs is more ammo.

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (1)

Gohtar (1829140) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888588)

You are not alone

yeah, yeah, yeah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888642)

"they said I should have gone to rehab...
and upon further reflection, they were right..."

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (1)

camazotz (1242344) | more than 3 years ago | (#36894762)

You're not the only one. Took me almost a day before I found out who she was and started getting all the jokes...

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890648)

It was funny. Because it was probably true. ^^
The problem is not him. It's you.

I have no idea, why people like you give any respect to the equivalent of a popular crack whore.

<rant>But of course, people like you are unable to imagine, why anyone would not think exactly like them, since they are obviously the center of the universe... And to them, there is no reality outside of theirs.
So if they, in their rigid minds, don't think it's funny, so clearly it can't ever be funny for anyone else in the entire universe. Impossible! Unthinkable! ...I wonder if you're a Wikipedia admin. They are the pinnacle of egomania.</rant>

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888520)

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Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888570)

Who is Amy Winehouse?

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890162)

What is Google?

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

old_kennyp (949607) | more than 3 years ago | (#36890662)

Took me 2 days before I found out who AW was when the news broke Every computer user would know what Google is, but not everyone knows every musician!

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890938)

Every computer user would know what Google is, but not everyone knows every musician!

Often times a computer user just needs a little encouragement to realize that Google will tell them who any musician is.

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

wallsg (58203) | more than 3 years ago | (#36891254)

Every computer user would know what Google is, but not everyone knows every musician!

Often times a computer user just needs a little encouragement to realize that Google will tell them who any musician is.

Why should they care about a washed-up drug addict? But enough about Elvis...

Re:"last, gassy breath of a dying star" (0)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#36891300)

Earlier, google was just saying she's dead - over and over and over. I wasn't even getting anything else when I googled "Amy Winehouse wikipedia". It seems to be giving some better results now. Apparently she's a drug addict/singer who's biggest claim to fame seems to be that she ODed recently.

Sad news ... Amy Winehouse, dead at 27 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890340)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - singer Amy Winehouse was found dead in her home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss her - even if you didn't enjoy her work, there's no denying her contributions to popular culture. Truly an English icon.

Re:Sad news ... Amy Winehouse, dead at 27 (0)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 3 years ago | (#36890630)

My daughter and I were talking about it, and my wife asked: "what did she die of?". We just stared at her like she was from another planet.

I'm not convinced our sun is going to ever die (-1, Flamebait)

chemosh6969 (632048) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888502)

It doesn't mention that in any of the bibles.

What you are seeing (4, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888528)

The pretty picture in TFA is caused by the nebula being lit up by radiation (mainly ultraviolent) from the dying star at the center. As the star dies from running out of stuff which is easy to efficiently fuse in the core, the star undergoes contractions and expansions which push the outer layers away to form a nebula. The term "planetary nebula" is a bit misleading- they are called that because they look like planetary discs if one looks for them in a small telescope. Phil Plait has a pretty good summary of what we are looking at - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/25/a-glowing-bubbly-bauble-in-space/ [discovermagazine.com]

Re:What you are seeing (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888710)

Ultraviolent radiation? Awesome!

Re:What you are seeing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890284)

I wonder what it feels to be fisted [goatse.cx] ultra-violently. (LINK WARNING! LINK IS BROKEN!)

Re:What you are seeing (3, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#36891010)

While that's a nice story, it's probably mostly incorrect. Most planetary nebulae like this are created when a massive Population II star (over 120 solar masses) that formed in a metal-poor region that was usually deposited by a population III star, explodes in a pair instability supernova [wikipedia.org] . This is a destructive explosion that usually completely obliterates the original star in one blast, having converted up to a fifth of its mass into iron or higher elements. It isn't some pulsing thing that happens over and over. If there's anything left at all it's likely another form of black dwarf [wikipedia.org] consisting of the heaviest elements of the original star's core visible only in the infrared as it can't sustain fusion and its fissibles decompose. The blown off mass is quite important, as that's where we come from. The densest parts of the shell eventually congeal to become stars in a globular cluster [wikipedia.org] . The globular form of the cluster is commonly seen orbiting galaxies rather than within them because the globular form is destroyed over time by tidal forces and interaction with surrounding masses.

This pulsing and contracting thing has been seen and is quite rare. It occurs when the mass of the star is much higher, and its gravity can recapture most of the mass that was thrown off. This would be visible as not one, but multiple shells of glowing gas.

The generations are given in reverse order. Generation I stars like our sun are the oldest, and are probably formed out of the peripheral debris of just such an explosion. Generation II stars are older, and we haven't yet spied a generation III star that formed of hydrogen and helium when more metallic elements didn't yet exist.

Weird (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888556)

It's weird to have Kepler to investigate it

Exactly because Kepler looks at the star, and through its variations detects planets.

No star, what's Kepler supposed to do?

Also, it doesn't zoom on the subjects, it examines several at once.

By all means point Hubble at the Nebula, not Kepler, unless I'm missing something

Re:Weird (4, Informative)

ToxicPig (1614125) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888734)

There is still a star. It is likely a white dwarf at this stage, or nearing that state. It can be seen in the photo as the white star in the very center of the gas sphere. IF Kepler even detects planets around the white dwarf, it would be extremely interesting (and scientifically significant) to determine what happened to the planets as the star went through its death throes. The inner planets would likely be consumed. The outer planets may have enjoy a brief stint in the Goldilocks Zone of the red giant, and may have very interesting chemistry. Life? Doubtful. Still, cool science to be done here in a somewhat isolated point in time in a star system's life.

Re:Weird (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36889012)

Great! Now it makes sense

But I supposed this is for a 2nd stage Kepler observation, (unless it's already in its field)

Re:Weird (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888854)

... unless I'm missing something

The star (white dwarf) at the centre of the planetary nebula.

Re:Weird (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36888938)

I added pulseaudio_sux = yes to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf

I think PulseAudio sucks balls too. That's why I don't use it.

Are you into masochism or something? You think it sucks so you keep using it so you can suffer... yeah. Good plan there, bro.

Re:Weird (-1, Offtopic)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888978)

You apparently never tried to see what happens when you add an unknown option to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf

Re:Weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36889280)

You apparently never tried to see what happens when you add an unknown option to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf

Yeah that's because my ALSA setup doesn't include a file named /etc/pulse/daemon.conf.

To try your suggestion I'd first have to install Pulseaudio. Since I agree that it sucks I won't be doing that. See how simple and internally consistent that is?

Now we're back around, full-circle, to where you still haven't explained why you have software installed if you don't like said software. I suggested masochism because it is a theory that neatly explains the facts.

Re:Weird (0)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#36889370)

Now we're back around, full-circle, to where you still haven't explained why you have software installed if you don't like said software. I suggested masochism because it is a theory that neatly explains the facts.

Simple, because removing it removes things I don't want removed

Well, fixed that and now PA is gone.

Re:Weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36891066)

If you would use slackware, you wouldn't have to deal with a "package manager" trying to uproot half your system every time you try to remove something Pat deemed essential. Then again, Pat doesn't deem anything essential till it's out of beta (and usually at least a decade after that), so you might never have occasion to enjoy that benefit.

When Debian users had to run around replacing their SSH keys, I sit back and laugh at them getting what they deserve.
When Ubuntu installed a new audio infrastructure that breaks things for half the users, I sit back and laugh at them getting what they deserve.
When I got a laptop with a biometric scanner that basically requires PAM to be useful, I sat back and laughed at myself getting what I deserved.

Then I stopped installing slackware on my machines and moved to Arch.

Re:Weird (2)

mrtommyb (1534795) | more than 3 years ago | (#36891564)

Kepler looks at a region of the say covering around 115 square degrees. However, due to bandwidth limitations we are only able to download data for a limited number of pixels. We predefine around 150k pixel masks and download the data for these. While our primary mission is to find dips in brightness of stars caused by planets passing in front of them we also observe other types of time variable astrophysics. Scientists from around the world write proposals to observe interesting astrophysical phenomena and the best are chosen to have a pixel mask places around. This source was part of a proposal by a team lead by an astronomer called George Jacoby to observe planetary nebulae. There is no intention to do any planetary science with these observations.

Zombie Kepler (2)

wall0645 (1665631) | more than 3 years ago | (#36888706)

First he will consume images of the nebula, then he will consume your brains.

"Spurred by the discovery of an amateur astronomer (2)

polymath69 (94161) | more than 3 years ago | (#36890026)

Hey, look everybody! It's an amateur astronomer!

Here is a link to the press release (1)

G3CK0 (708703) | more than 3 years ago | (#36890424)

Here is a link to the press release from Gemini Observatory: http://www.gemini.edu/node/11656 [gemini.edu]

the obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36890568)

Kronenberger was actually looking for some Uranus

makes sense (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#36894472)

I guess on a terraforming planet, this would be the start of getting some real self sustaining atmosphere and biological movement.....next step would be single cell organisms appearing, and so on....might be the next earth in a few million years if the moon is able to sustain enough rainfall...

Nubula? (1)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36894484)

planetary nubula

Someone needs to flog their editor...

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