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PS3 "Strong Contender" To Overtake Xbox 360

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the atari-jaguar-will-rise-again dept.

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donniebaseball23 writes "Xbox 360 has been having an incredible year so far in 2011, but on a global scale Sony's PS3 is still gaining ground. In fact, this year PS3 has outpaced Xbox 360 by 10% worldwide, analysts have pointed out. While the Wii has clearly won the race for this console generation, the battle for second place is neck and neck, and PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360. 'As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position,' commented M2 Research analyst Billy Pidgeon."

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Fuzebox (0)

m2vq (2417438) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888654)

Having heard this from the staff, PS3 and Xbox 360 are mostly trying to compete with each other. This includes both customers and exclusive game developers, like Rockstar and GTA series have been in the past with Playstation. That's also why I think both companies are shooting themself in the leg. While they compete and try to destroy each other, open source consoles like Fuzebox [ladyada.net] will get a major market share. You can code your games on them and play your favorite old games in an emulator, or modify to the devices to do whatever you want. All that while Sony actively works to close Linux and homebrew software from PS3. It's only a matter of time until Fuzebox and similar consoles will win.

Re:Fuzebox (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888702)

Because an 8 bit console is so comparable to the Xbox360 or the PS3. Can I get some of what you are smoking (or maybe not, seems to have scary effects)?

Re:Fuzebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888704)

Obvious troll is obvious. At least please tell me you are trolling and not really that idiotic to think that the majority of Wii, 360 or PS3 owners are really going to flock to some piece of shit console like Fuzebox.

Re:Fuzebox (1)

godrik (1287354) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888748)

That's a joke right ?

I like the fuzebox project. But that's a 8-bit console. That is never gonna sel massively.

But I guess you were talking about community driven hardware and gaming system. I am still not sure these guys will leave well as well. Why haven't we seen a linux ARM-based or x86 based open gaming system appear ? That's basically, buy a computer and 2 USB gamepad and plug them on your TV. the software is mainly written in the GeeXbox. Still no one knows about it ?

Why ? because super mario galaxy is only released on the wii and god of war 13 only on PS3. The games drive the sales of hardware and game developpers aim at known and reliable hardware manufacturer such as nintendo, sony and microsoft. Now if Dell (or HP, or whatever big guy that can produce a million units) was to produce a home gaming system based on known OS, that would be a different story.

Re:Fuzebox (1)

losinggeneration (797436) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888836)

That's a joke right ?

I like the fuzebox project. But that's a 8-bit console. That is never gonna sel massively.

But I guess you were talking about community driven hardware and gaming system. I am still not sure these guys will leave well as well. Why haven't we seen a linux ARM-based or x86 based open gaming system appear ? That's basically, buy a computer and 2 USB gamepad and plug them on your TV. the software is mainly written in the GeeXbox. Still no one knows about it ?

Perhaps he doesn't understand what a niche market is. As for a Linux based gaming system, there are things like The Evo 2 from Envision: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Envizions-Evo-2/?kc=rss [linuxfordevices.com]

I'm not going to say it's a realistic alternative to the current generation consoles, because it's most likely going to appeal to a similar niche market as the Uzebox (Note, the Fuzebox is a specific implementation of the Uzebox.)

*shrugs* I may not like it, but that's just how things are currently.

Re:Fuzebox (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888790)

Yeah... it's called a PC ;)

Re:Fuzebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888804)

You can code your games on them and play your favorite old games in an emulator, or modify to the devices to do whatever you want.

I hate to break it to you, but that's only appealing to the /. crowd. It's also out of stock, and it looks like there's some assembly required.

Awesome for nerds like you and me but it doesn't make chicks dance, whereas the Wii is perfect for that (just search "wii fit" on youtube).

Re:Fuzebox (1)

itsenrique (846636) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888852)

I can't tell if you are joking, trolling, serious, or some mix thereof... The console you link too doesn't even support hdmi, it is clearly geared toward old console game emulation. I think Sony and MS and both laughing all the way to the bank. Now consumers will have BOTH consoles, accessories and games for both. This is partially because there has been a big stall in releasing the next generation console from both camps, I believe. Consumers want the next best thing, and it isn't exactly there yet. It makes sense that PS3's market share has been growing even though they are despised among the slashdot crowd. Most people I speak too in the market for a console are aware of the fact that they are very similar in power and capabilities. The PS3 works out to be a little cheaper though if you game online (that's many), and it doesn't have the same bad QC reputation as the "3-fix-me" (even Nintendo has noticed and started catering to more 'hardcore gamers' than they had been for the last decade, because of Sony and Microsofts shortcomings).

First! (1, Funny)

soloport (312487) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889034)

"the battle for second place is neck and neck" Hey, if you're not first, you're last -- Ricky Bobby

Why a "Fuzebox" will never win. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889272)

Convenience.

Look up that word. While you might have the time and skill to put together a Fuzebox, 99.999 of the rest of the REAL WORLD doesn't. Hate to break it to you, but the rest of the world doesn't see consoles in the way you do. They have other pressing matters to attend to.

Not everyone in the world is an electronics assembler, much less a coder. That part of the world is such a small minority, it doesn't even rate. You might want to look out a window once in a while, and learn there's a different world that doesn't involve a computer screen.

heh - (1, Troll)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888674)

I have an X-Box and a WII - Will never ever buy from Sony again.

Re:heh - (4, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888720)

Cool story, bro. I'm sure with 50+ million in sales they are truly hurting because one person will never buy a PS3.

Re:heh - (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888794)

I wouldn't be surprised if most of these sales were before PSN screwed the pooch. I'll be more impressed if Sony can keep this momentum next year now that many people look at them as high risk.

Re:heh - (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888986)

99% of the people who DONT read slashdot don't give a shit.. or they've forgotten about that mess already.

I'll bet most of them think it's MORE secure now because they "fixed" it.

Re:heh - (2)

Narishma (822073) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889032)

The PSN incident didn't affect PS3's sales. If anything, during the month or so when the PSN was down PS3 sales increased slightly.

Re:heh - (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889082)

All press is good advertising I guess. "PS3... been hearing a lot about that in the news... think I'll get one..."

Re:heh - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889284)

Obnoxiously, yes. They also used the "welcome back" program as a not-so-subtle marketing platform, by giving "free" games that just so happen to be the first games of sequels that had just come out (LittleBigPlanet) or were just about to come out (Infamous).

And they also timed the free PlayStation Plus so that it corresponded to their PSN sale.

So, yes, Sony on the whole managed to get rewarded for leaking 80 million credit card numbers, 77 million unencrypted passwords, all from an unpatched Apache server with a known remote executable flaw in it.

Yay free market, proving once again that on the whole, customers just don't care to be informed about their purchases.

Re:heh - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888830)

Repeat this 1 in 10 ad nauseam for each individual who will never buy from Sony again due to the security breach. Hell even 1 in 20 and you're starting to truly hurt. Bro.

Re:heh - (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889044)

Repeat this 1 in 10 ad nauseam for each individual who will never buy from Sony again due to the security breach. Hell even 1 in 20 and you're starting to truly hurt. Bro.

Exactly how many people do you think will never buy from Sony again due to the PSN hacks?

I would be extremely surprised if the actual number of such people exceeded 10,000.

Sony burned that bridge thirty years ago. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888886)

Make that two people, same story. I bet there are a lot more where the two of us came from.

(And no, I'm not Bionic Lemming, I just don't want to bother with the hassle of finding my old account name.)

Re:heh - (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888942)

Because he totally said he expects Sony to go out of business. Oh, wait, he didn't and you're a moron for implying that he did.

Re:heh - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888992)

make it three, i jsut had the efuse blow on my sony laptop (work) for the second time in a year, between that, the psn thing, the geohot stuff, the drm shit, sony can bite my shiny metal ass, also my manager and to send his sony lappy in because the hard drive failed, same exact model, he already has a ps3 but we both agreed no more sony products for the company, ever.

Re:heh - (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889150)

lol yea ask apple how that attitude worked for them in the 80's or as I like to remember them as the "aww fuck the customer they will buy a new 300$ drive again cause we fussed with the plug a bit" era

No Fear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888676)

Second place is the first loser.

Blu-Ray (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888728)

It's the most updateable Blu-Ray player. I don't actually know anyone who uses it for games (although this is obviously a statistically insignificant sample size).

Re:Blu-Ray (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888882)

That's one incredibly expensive blu-ray player.

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

Thantik (1207112) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888930)

Back when Blu-Ray players first came out, that wasn't the case at all. You could either buy a $300 Blu-ray player, or a $300 PS3...

Re:Blu-Ray (5, Informative)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888972)

It was Samsung that released the first blu-ray player to market in 2006...and it cost almost a thousand dollars. Even the Deluxe PS3 model released in October of that year was cheap compared to that. And also the PS3 can do BonusView, BD-Live and 3D blu-ray titles, and that Samsung model could not be updated to do so.

And even now and 299 the PS3 is still a pretty good deal. Massive storage, media features, a build in web browser, and games. It competes fairly well with things like Iomega's Boxee thing.

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

m0t1v4t3 (2277870) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889374)

I know someone that purchased the Samsung for $1200 when it came out. It takes no less than 2 minutes to start up, it's painful.

Not really (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888984)

That's one incredibly expensive blu-ray player.

Given the other things it can do as well (Netflix, random games, etc) combined with, as stated, the ease of updating - it's actually a pretty easy purchase to make compared to any standalone disc player.

Re:Not really (1)

BlueMikey (1112869) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889190)

Most blu-ray players, however, can do these things now too (and better as time goes by). Hell, most TVs can do these things now. An expensive console isn't necessary anymore unless you're really interested in the games involved. And since Xbox Live is far superior to online gaming offered on the PS3 (and the almost useless Wii connectivity), a PS3 is really only useful for people who largely play one-player games or for those who can afford multiple consoles and want the PS3 exclusives.

Re:Not really (0)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889394)

I don't get the big deal about XBL. It certainly doesn't feel worth paying for after having played online games with friends and voice chat on both consoles. To have to pay just to get stuff I already can do for free on the PS3 feels insulting.

Yes, I have a PS3 and a 360 with a gold sub (and a Wii, PSP and DS). You don't sound like you've tried online gaming on a PS3.

Re:Blu-Ray (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889238)

That was a pretty awesome feature, back in 2006. I use my PS3 for netflix more than I do for gaming (because I feel that running netflix on my 360 is unnecessarily giving that piece of shit a shorter life). However, I haven't even entertained the thought of playing a blu-ray since about 2007. I have a high end home theater and all, but buying a physical disc or waiting for one to be delivered is just not worth it. I'd rather get 80% of the visual quality of a blu-ray on-demand or not at all.

Does it really matter? (1)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888736)

It's pretty late in the game for this generation of consoles. This seems like a 'who finished first' situation. Who cares? I'd rather the console makers concentrate on product support while working on making things better for the next generation of hardware.

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888760)

Of course it matters. The 14 year olds (and the mental 14 year olds) need to fight out which major corporation is more deserving of undying allegiance or they might have to start thinking for themselves - and that hurts in the head.

Re:Does it really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889332)

Of course it matters. The 14 year olds (and the mental 14 year olds) need to fight out which major corporation is more deserving of undying allegiance or they might have to start thinking for themselves - and that hurts in the head.

BOOO APPLE! YAY SONY! BOO FACEBOOK! YAY GOOGLE+! Sigh.

I think mobile phones win next generation (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889000)

I agree. This is an article about how will come in second in what is probably the last major game console generation.

Sony used Playstation to promote blu-ray. MS was just in there because they felt they needed to defend that front. Nintendo won their survival by coming in first.

I mean if they really wanted to win they'd come out with the next generation console after five years. The battle is over. The peace is that no one cares. You can hook your PC up to your HDTV and you can buy a computer for less than the price of these consoles. So everyone is going to have that setup in ten years. Also in few years mobile phones will be the undisputed dominant game platform.

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889004)

It's pretty late in the game for this generation of consoles. This seems like a 'who finished first' situation. Who cares? I'd rather the console makers concentrate on product support while working on making things better for the next generation of hardware.

There is still money to be made as games, consoles and accessories are still being sold. This is roughly when a console is most profitable. Also, "second place" really means "first place high-performance console". This is an important distinction when wooing game devs who are writing games that require more horsepower than the Wii offers.

Re:Does it really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889054)

What!? A sane, level headed comment? On my internet?

Just who do you think you are

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889144)

It matters because the total sales of this generation of consoles are used by game companies to project the sales of the next generation. That means that the generation that does the best will be best supported with launch titles.

The best part of the growth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888738)

Is how hacked Sony accounts can now be used to pay for additional Playstations 3.

Press release hacked right? (1)

Liquidretro (1590189) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888766)

Sony had to be hacked (Yes again) and their sales numbers changed. Hey at least it made Slashdot.

Seriously? (5, Insightful)

c_jonescc (528041) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888782)

We're SIX years into the 360, and FIVE for the PS3. Do we really need to constantly be analyzing which is selling more every quarter as though there's going to be a loser?

Both companies have proven very successful, and have buyers of overlapping interest. Why should anyone care which one sold more in random month half a decade into the production cycle? Really, why does it matter?

Both companies have survived this cycle. That's obvious. They'll both be throwing their hats into the next generation, which is a clear indicator that there are no losers between them. The only point I see is getting the fanboys all riled up.

Only Halfway Through This Gen (3, Interesting)

AddisonW (2318666) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889036)

The PS3 is going to an eleven year life at least. The PS2 is at eleven years right now and still selling well and somewhere in the 155+ million range in worldwide sales.

When the PS2 dropped to $199 from $299 its sales reached into the 20-25 million a year range. The PS3 is just about to hit the same sweet spot where the PS2 exploded in sales.

Sony has a massive 21 first party studio lineup that is cranking out a flood of PS3 exclusives that dwarf the combined exclusive output of Nintendo and Microsoft combined. There are still major first party franchises that have yet to be released on the PS3.

The PS3 is easily going to end up in the 120, 130 million worldwide installed base range by the end of the PS3's life.

MS's Mind Boggling Failure With The Xbox 360 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889140)

I don't think people really grasp just how many console Sony sold in the middle to late years of the PS2s life. Many people think Sony actually sold most of those 150 million PS2s right out the gate.

It really does illustrate the mind boggling epic failure of the Xbox 360:

* Rushed out the door a year early to try to inflate installed base numbers before this gen started

* 1.5 years early compared to the PS3 in Europe

* 100-200 dollars cheaper than the PS3

* The Xbox 360 was immediately dumped into last place in Japan just like the first Xbox

* A year or so later the Xbox 360 was dumped into last place in Europe

* Destroyed in graphics by the PS3

* Shut down all but three Microsoft first party studios

* In the Xbox 360's one viable market even millions and millions of duplicate/replacement units from the RRoD fiasco can't help the console from ending up in last place

Last gen the Xbox just barely avoided the humiliation of ending up in last place after blowing 4 billion dollars.

This gen the Xbox 360 has ended up in last place while blowing a similar amount of money.

I remember how Microsoft was bragging about how the Xbox 360 was going to be the console that finally got it right. So much for those claims...

Re:Only Halfway Through This Gen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889156)

[citation needed], am I right?

But really, good job with making the fanboy comment legit. The argument posed was that both systems are successful - both have won, so making up a bunch of numbers that sony was successful contributes... how exactly?

It's Just Simple Math (0)

AddisonW (2318666) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889228)

The PS3 is around 54-55 million in sales by the latest numbers.

The PS3 is in year 5 of its life. That means there are most likely going to be another 6 years of sales for the console going by the 11 year life of the PS2 and Sony's own comments.

The PS3 is currently selling 13-14 million consoles a year while at $299.

The PS2 exploded into the 20-25 million a year range when it dropped from $299 to $199.

To reach a 100 million the PS3 needs to sell 45 million more over 6 years. That comes out to 7 million a year.

To reach 130 million the PS3 needs to sell 12 million a year.

The 120-130 million worldwide installed base for the PS3 is probably being conservative.

There isn't any question as to if the PS3 will win this gen in first place. It's just by how much and how close they will get to the PS2's insane 155+ million.

This isn't the special olympics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889352)

The xbox last gen ended up in 2nd place. The xbox 360 has ended up in last place this gen.

The xbox lost some 4 billion dollars. The xbox 360 has lost nearly the same amount this gen even with microsoft hidding the losses in the E&D division that has many other profitable products.

Even more humiliating for microsoft is a console with a 50-60 percent hardware failure rate leading to who knows how many million in extra sales to pad out their installed base numbers and release a year early and competing with a console that is 100 dollars more expensive and they still end up in last place.

How in the hell can anyone call that 'successful'.

Re:Only Halfway Through This Gen (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889340)

Sony has a massive 21 first party studio lineup that is cranking out a flood of PS3 exclusives that dwarf the combined exclusive output of Nintendo and Microsoft combined. There are still major first party franchises that have yet to be released on the PS3.

Ah so they were saving all the good games for the PS3's sixth year.

How you enjoying your Eye Toy(Kinect) Shovelware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889404)

Did an Xbox fanboy just try to talk shit about games?

Way to make a fool out of yourself.

A fanboy of a console with nothing but garbage shovelware for Microsoft's ripoff of Sony's old PS2 era Eye Toy motion controls and downgraded PC ports for a games lineup.

Have fun with this crap!

Hilariously bad Kinect Star Wars demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIiN0Tdzgsc [youtube.com]

No kidding (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889110)

Unit sales matter when things are starting out. Don't sell enough units, and you can find yourself out of the running since then nobody wants to make any games for you (and if you don't have games, nobody buys it, and so on). However at this point, everyone has sold plenty. Unit sales aren't a big thing. Right now attach rate is what matters, meaning how many games per unit you sell. That's where the big money is in consoles, the licensing on games. So it doesn't matter if you sell slightly more units than your competitor, it matters if you sell (on average) more games per unit.

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889124)

Do we really need to constantly be analyzing which is selling more every quarter as though there's going to be a loser?

Hell yeah! Gamers on both play to win or lose! Watching console sales is more sport entertainment for the fans of sport entertainment.

I suppose you'd say there shouldn't be fighting in the war room, too? ;)

Next time you read an article like this one, where they use the word "analyst" for pundits, convert to the earlier meaning of "mental health professional" in the Woody Allen sense. It makes the nonsense go by a lot more easier.

Re:Seriously? (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889254)

what I would like to see is who's making a profit after all the upfront costs. I don't know about Sony but the last quarter for Microsoft showed their entertainment and devices division bringing in a wooping $32 million after 6 years of losing hundreds of millions to billions per quarter. And then there is the upfront development costs. Microsoft has Windows to fund its losses while I guess Sony had its PS2 to fund the PS3 costs. So I'd really like to see those kinds of comparisons. These numbers at least tell you if the product is sustainable on its own and we are already seeing Microsoft kill off products after years and years of losses. Or less in the case of MS-Kin.

it will be interesting to see if Microsoft can pull off what Sony did by making profits of the old 360 while the next gen spins out. I don't see why Sony can't do it with the PS3 vs PS4(?).

LoB

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889274)

It's a big deal because this is the latest "nail in M$'s coffin" that some Slashtard could dig up. They think that if they keep posting anti-MS articles often enough that MS will go under. Slashdot has tried for the past decade to do this and they've failed miserably. Had PS3 been showing signs of slowing in the past year they'd never have any interest in anyone seeing it.

Every played COD on Xbox and PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888800)

Blu-Ray player aside the user experience was far superior on Xbox. Case closed for me as that's all I play on xbox.

Re:Every played COD on Xbox and PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888944)

Anyone that plays a FPS on a console is a retarded n00b.

The Wii hasn't won anything... (4, Interesting)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888844)

In terms of hours played of games, or money made on games, or games sold separate from the console the Wii isn't winning. At all.

A game console is the base of a broader platform. For sony that included other media, but selling consoles is done so you can sell *software*, and, if you're into that sort of thing, software people actually want to play. The Wii has had a handful of good titles. The PS3 and 360 have had a handful of good titles every year they've been out.

In terms of which console is the better to have. At this point the PS3 seems to be getting better exclusives (god of war, uncharted infamous etc.) but I'm sure Halo 4 will have something to say about that soon enough.

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888870)

The Wii won on net profit.

That's... kind of important to some people.

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888900)

Not to the 3rd party game devs that DIDN'T win on profit on the WII

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889108)

Nor, one could argue, did nintendo. That's they're problem. They made 10 bucks a pop on consoles and 30 or 40 bucks on software sales for those consoles. Which was great for a couple of years. And now... not so much.

Sony and MS absorb any money they make back into companies with much more diverse portfolios (for better or worse) than nintendo. Sony and MS both make money on game sales, and a lot of it, but that's going to fund mobile phones, TV's, operating systems, and so on.

It's a long tail/short tail sort of thing. Nintendo made a pile of money early, when everyone bought a console, controller and a couple of games. That lasted for two years.

Net profit is *not* the only measure of value. If I make 1 dollar a year. But you lose 100 dollars a year. But I do 10 dollars a year in business and you 100 billion yours is the much better company. In this case the companies, and the ecosystems around them are much larger, have much more value, and produce far more money for both sony and MS than for nintendo. Unfortunately for the outside observer it's very hard to figure out where Sony's console business ends and it's various other services start, and the same applies to Microsoft (who are half competing with themselves on the PC market, but half supporting themselves too).

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889248)

Are you including shovelware? Because there seemed to be a whole lot of that on the wii.

"Everyone is buying the wii? Quick, make a game and slap it out there by next month! Doesn't matter what it is! With these numbers, people are going to be buying this game just because it is for the wii! Ninjas and gingerbread men you say'Ninjabread man'? [metacritic.com]? Holy hell! We don't even need a game with that, the title alone will sell!"

The companies that did that and all those others deserved to lose money.

Look at the top scores by metacritic. [metacritic.com]. Mostly nintendo titles. 3rd party developers didn't really seem to try. It seems like by the time they realized people had actually bought the wii, people who would have bought their games had already put theirs away. I for one got tired of waiting for someone to make a fucking game for it and started ignoring the offerings completely. If they lost money on the wii, it was their own fault for not putting forth a serious effort. (Okami may be the sole exception there, offering a good game early on and still lost money.)

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (4, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889062)

These days the real net profit for a game console to a company is based on the sales of hardware, software, and online services.

The Wii may have made the most (or only) profit on the hardware, but at about $6 per unit all of their profits from the Wii console so far don't equal a year of Microsoft's profits from XBox Live.

And as TFA says:

"While most PS3s sold in are active, Wii's active installed base is far lower than cumulative sales. Nintendo's first party software largely targets Wii's hardcore sector, while third party software performance on Wii remains soft and the mainstream sector has largely abandoned Wii."

So Nintendo is basically not making any more significant profit on the Wii, while Sony and Microsoft are starting to cash in big time.

The Wii was like a sprinter in a marathon. Led for the first mile, but isn't even going to finish the race...

Re:The Wii hasn't won anything... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888926)

Since they are all for profit companies, the winner is the one with the most profit. Nintendo came out big. Welcome to the big boy perspective.

Can't wait for the next Nintendo console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888848)

So I can play another Mario game with inferior graphics compared to all of its generation's consoles.
Boy, I can hardly wait!

Re:Can't wait for the next Nintendo console (2)

BlueMikey (1112869) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889234)

This is like saying you won't read one of the best books of the year because you hate the weird serif they use on the letter "f". We'd all be much better off if game designers focused more on fun and playability than on graphics. That's why many people still go back to the classics---graphics don't matter to most of us, fun does. I get that movies like Transformer 3 make a crapton of money on the strength of fancy special effects, but such movies, from writing to acting to editing to anything outside of effects, are utter crap. So enjoy paying for graphics, I'll pay for fun.

Wait (1)

David89 (2022710) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888858)

Didn't read TFA, but the Wii won the race?

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889050)

These are overall sales, yes the Wii...release dates, I didnt look up
Wii 88m
xBox 55m
PS3 52m
also fun to note:
nDS 148m
PSP 69m

LOL! Fake Sales Numbers From Vgchartz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889308)

How can someone be dumb enough to cut and past fake sales numbers from an Xbox fanboy site like vgchartz?

PS2 Sold 110+ Million Consoles After It Hit $199 (2, Insightful)

AddisonW (2318666) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888904)

The PS3 is still $299 - the launch price of the PS2.

The PS2 went on to sell 110+ million consoles when it had its price drop from $299 to $199.

The PS3 is going to end up first in worldwide sales this gen.

Xbox 360 is already in last place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888954)

The millions and millions of duplicate Xbox 360s sold over the past few years has helped Microsoft inflate their sales numbers in the US where Xbox fanboys were dumb enough to buy 5-6 Xbox 360s hoping that each new model would finally fix the disc scratching, RRoD, noise, and countless other hardware problems.

Only hardcore Xbox fanboys who visit fake sales numbers sites like vgchartz are under the delusion that the Xbox 360 isn't in last place.

Re:Xbox 360 is already in last place (1)

FrellMeDead (1367815) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889196)

It's obvious from your post that you have a grudge against XBox/Microsoft. That aside I personally have never had any issues with either the original Xbox or the 360. In fact I still have the same one I bought (never had a rrod, noise or disc scratching). I play quite a bit of games and numerous hours a month playing said games. One thing that makes a difference is if you take care of your equipment and/or discs. I will say that yes the 360 did/does have some issues in term of quality control but not all can be contributed to just the quality of the hardware. People don't take care of the gear they own much less the discs, etc. So get over your bias for the Xbox 360/Microsoft and look at the bigger picture. People by the games on the 360 because of the online element which when compared to the PS3 is years beyond what Sony produces. I have all three current gen consoles but I prefer the 360 because of the games and easy of use with the online elements. I know of very few people that have the money to buy multiple 360's instead of just having it repaired free of charge by Microsoft. If people are that stupid then why shouldn't count towards the number of consoles sold. I'm sure you don't have any issue with the PS3 being bought more the once for more HD space or slimmer design, or even including packages deals with the PS Move, etc. Lastly the sales of the consoles are only one small part of the venue stream that each company gets. The PS3/Sony lost considerable amount of money on each and every PS3 up until the past year or so. So technically Nintendo and Microsoft are quite a bit ahead in terms of overall profit regardless of how many each has sold simply but considering how much it costs each company to make the console compared to how much they sell it for. So please get a clue and stop being so one sided and biased against the Xbox 360/Microsoft and look at the bigger picture.

Re:PS2 Sold 110+ Million Consoles After It Hit $19 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889026)

As a loyal Nintendo person, I will be waving at the success of Sony in this generation from my vantage point - of the next generation.

Nintendo's Next Gen Console Is Current Gen (1)

AddisonW (2318666) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889270)

The Wii U will have graphical power similar to the PS3 and a 25 gigabyte disc format.

Welcome to this gen with the Wii U.

Sony trying to spin things. (2, Interesting)

TheRecklessWanderer (929556) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888906)

Sounds to me like someone at Sony is trying to make us forget how they screwed all their customers, with their lies about hackers getting customer data records. How could they possibly be gaining ground, unless maybe they are counting all the people they gave free months to that won't renew when it comes time to hand over their credit card number.

Re:Sony trying to spin things. (1, Interesting)

Narishma (822073) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889090)

They are gaining ground because Sony's customers don't care about the stuff you mentioned. As long as they can buy their game, put the disc in and start playing they're happy. They don't care about DRM or Linux or anything else.

Also, the PSN is free, you don't need to give them money to use it, unlike Xbox Live.

The Hardcore Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888908)

Hahahahahahah.

Oh wait, you're serious. I'll let you finish. ...Done?
The hardcore market is on the PC.

Why are people (2)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888914)

still buying Sony shit? Especially on Slashdot?

Haven't they learned anything about how Sony treats its customers?

Re:Why are people (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889022)

Why are people still buying Microsoft shit? Especially on Slashdot?

Haven't they learned anything about how Microsoft treats its customers?

Caught between the devil and the deep Blue SOD.

Re:Why are people (1)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889176)

At least for the moment the Xbox team holds a much better record than the Sony one... That may not be something that one can say for MS and Sony in all their massiveness, but in consoles the Xbox team does not have a huge security blunder not even a few months ago that shutdown their online network for weeks on end. They have not removed features from the device after making a big deal of them in their earlier hardware/software revisions...

So sure on a larger scale neither are angels. I think we all know that and maybe it is just me and the grandparent poster, but I'm left wondering why anyone would want a PS3 as a gaming console over an Xbox 360...

definition and competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36888946)

i laughed a little when they referred to the consoles being "hardcore". haha
but seriously, competition is always beneficial for the consumer so whichever wins, this will be good news regardless.

Do any of you actually talk like this? (1)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888960)

"PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360"

Wouldn't you say "The PS3 has a good shot of overtaking the Xbox 360?"

Re:Do any of you actually talk like this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889076)

Not exactly. I would say "The PS3 has a good shot at overtaking the Xbox 360"

Re:Do any of you actually talk like this? (1)

nigelo (30096) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889102)

No, it has a good shot *at* overtaking ... surely?

I mean, shooting *at* a target, not shots *of* Tequila, and certainly not both at the same time, or I'd be out of there *like* a shot. Now I've shot my mouth off.

Re:Do any of you actually talk like this? (1)

FrellMeDead (1367815) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889224)

You do realize that more and more people seem either unable or are to inept to spend the extra half a second to fully articulate the point that they are trying to communicate. It appears more and more especially with twitter and texting.

The only thing this console generation taught me (2)

grapeape (137008) | more than 2 years ago | (#36888988)

After owning all 3 at some point during this generation I've decided its my last console generation....I never thought I could be lured back to PC gaming after a long absence but the wii is just too casual, paying to play online with live is ridiculous considering how little I play multiplayer and Sony's issues up through their dismissal of their network security have made me think that I can really just do without consoles.

Re:The only thing this console generation taught m (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889216)

Try going backwards. An SNES or PSX will be a much better use of your time and money than a next gen console. Todays games aren't any more fun than the older ones, and the older ones have been around long enough so that it's known which ones are good. They're usually cheaper too, with a few exceptions.

Too many qualifiers (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889016)

"As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position"

As far as the hardcore market is concerned (at least the hardcore console market anyways) the PS3 is a strong contender for _first_ place, along with the 360.

If you're going to restrict things down to the hardcore market the Wii hasn't clearly won anything. I own a Wii, i'm quite happy with it, but i'm not going to pretend it's leading the hardcore charge. The Wii has some great hardcore games you can't get anywhere else, but it certainly doesn't have all or even most of the hardcore games. (And apparently given the recent debacle over Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, the Wii has some great hardcore games that you can't even get on the Wii itself.)

RRoD, Slim, and Kinect (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889030)

The PS3 has been able to match the 360 closely even considering purchases spurred by the "Read Ring of Death", as well as those wanting to buy a Slim just to get away from all of that. Also the Kinect launch which was heavily marketed and designed to expand the 360's demographic significantly.

PS3 wins because it is silent (2)

jcgam69 (994690) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889064)

I mostly use the PS3 Slim because the Xbox cooling fan is too damned loud. The PS3 has always run whisper quiet. Both are clean and free of dust.

Re:PS3 wins because it is silent (1)

arbulus (1095967) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889304)

I have an older, fat PS3, so maybe things have changed with the slim models, but that thing is VERY LOUD, and hot enough to cook on.

greener other side of fence (1)

zerocommazero (837043) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889132)

I have had a ps3 for a year and I'd rather have an Xbox 360. I'd rather play the xbox 360 exclusives in their arcade over the ps3 exclusive games.

Genuinely Curious As To Why it Matters At All... (1)

eepok (545733) | more than 2 years ago | (#36889178)

Why in the world does it matter if one console is selling better than another? Does owning the more-sold console contribute the value and effect of the console on gaming? Does it inherently attract more developers?

Or is it one of those pseudo-team-contests where those who own Playstations feel superior to those who own Xboxes simply because Playstation is "winning" an unofficial competition in sales?

"I like oranges. You like bananas. More oranges were sold last year than bananas... so ya. That means my fruit preferences beats your fruit preference. Take that."

Who gives a shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36889276)

Both consoles are ancient technology. My laptop runs with more under the hood. When I was a fucking kid, they came out with some new shit every few years. Real exciting stuff. Had more money back then too. Now I steal everything.

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