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LulzSec Calls For PayPal Boycott, Spokesman Arrested

CmdrTaco posted about 3 years ago | from the hydras-die-easy-right dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "British police have arrested a 19-year-old man believed to be 'Topiary', the official spokesperson of the LulzSec hactivist group. The man was arrested at his home in the Shetland Islands earlier today (July 27), and is being transported to a central London police station." Also today, LulzSec has called for a boycott of PayPal saying “We encourage anyone using PayPal to immediately close their accounts and consider an alternative.”

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Umm. No credibility (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897784)

Why would anyone listen to lulzsec? They've been very clear they have no agenda, and are in it for the lulz.

They have no moral or ideological stance, and no ground to stand on. Why would anybody take their boycott recommendations seriously?

Re:Umm. No credibility (1)

Denogh (2024280) | about 3 years ago | (#36897906)

Their stance is that PayPal should be boycotted because the FBI is catching up to Anons and LulzSec folks who participated in a DDoS against them. The DDoS, if memory serves, was performed on ideological grounds in response to the Wikileaks fiasco. So, there's a barely coherent, strongly infantile ideological stance here ("Have us arrested for attacking your website, will you? We'll show you!"), but it is present(ish) nevertheless.

Re:Umm. No credibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898110)

Nobody cares about Lulzsec.

BTW, the amount of info PayPal has is extreme. They use lexisnexis in fraud research. I wouldn't be surprised if they logged all the DDoS attacks and sent them to the FBI.

Re:Umm. No credibility (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898518)

Wait, your saying Paypals lawyers use the most popular and common legal database in the world? And not only that but their network gear has logs? Holy shit, with that kind of power they're practically unstoppable.

Re:Umm. No credibility (1)

binford2k (142561) | about 3 years ago | (#36898684)

OMG who's next? Hide your children, lock up your wife! Or your dog, whatever.

Re:Umm. No credibility (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#36898568)

Only the top 1,000 IPs [arstechnica.com] (for now). Makes perfect sense for PayPal, and its pretty easy to do. "Anonymous", huh. Idiots.

Re:Umm. No credibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897946)

They more attention they attract from authorities, it seems like the more we see that they really do seem to be bored teenagers, rather than anyone with a political agenda. Their agenda is more against companies who slighted their group in some way than anything else.

Re:Umm. No credibility (1, Redundant)

rwven (663186) | about 3 years ago | (#36898300)

I would boycott them because paypal sucks. They're one of the dirtiest business out there. They make other banks look saintly.

Re:Umm. No credibility (5, Funny)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 3 years ago | (#36898590)

I would boycott them because paypal sucks. They're one of the dirtiest business out there. They make other banks look saintly.

Paypal sucks, I've been boycotting them for some time. Lulzsec also sucks. I might open a paypal account after seeing this.

In other news... (4, Funny)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 3 years ago | (#36897798)

Paypal has passed account closure information onto authorities for use in narrowing down Lulz members and supporters.

What is the crime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897802)

I'm not familiar with UK laws, what exactly did their spokesperson do that was illegal. I know "free speech" isn't as much a thing there, but how does saying things on the behalf of a group make you criminal?

RTFA (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | about 3 years ago | (#36897866)

If you RTFA you'd know that his charges involve computer hacking, not messages he posted online...

Re:What is the crime? (1)

krazytekn0 (1069802) | about 3 years ago | (#36897872)

Does it say that he was arrested FOR being the spokesman? No, even in TFS it's clear that spokesmanship is not the reason for his arrest. If you want to know why, then RTFA.

Re:What is the crime? (1)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | about 3 years ago | (#36897890)

I'm not familiar with UK laws, what exactly did their spokesperson do that was illegal. I know "free speech" isn't as much a thing there, but how does saying things on the behalf of a group make you criminal?

From TFA, he was launching "denial-of-service attacks against a number of high profile websites including The Sun, the CIA, SOCA, and the US Senate." TFA also mentions a Computer Misuse Act.

What alternative? (2, Informative)

dward90 (1813520) | about 3 years ago | (#36897832)

If someone can point me to competing service that is accepted at my preferred retailers, I would gladly switch. Paypal provides a relatively safe mask for my bank account online, which means I trust 1 company to not have a security breach instead of a dozen or more. It's a fantastic service. I don't honestly care about anyone's perceived unforgivable injustices from a private, opt-in, and largely free to use company.

Re:What alternative? (1)

shish (588640) | about 3 years ago | (#36897934)

I don't honestly care about anyone's perceived unforgivable injustices from a private, opt-in, and largely free to use company.

So it's perfectly OK for CmdrTaco to come round your house and kick you in the nuts? You *did* sign up to his private, opt-in, and largely free to use website after all~

Re:What alternative? (1)

dward90 (1813520) | about 3 years ago | (#36898006)

CmdrTaco is perfectly allowed to kick me in the nuts when I piss off his very powerful friends, yes. Unsolicited? No. But these guys were begging to be tracked down.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898114)

I am one of CmdTaco's powerful friends and I will kick you in the nuts within next week. Prepare yourself and don't tell me I didn't tell you so!

Re:What alternative? (2)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | about 3 years ago | (#36898074)

I kinda wish that the punishment for using barely applicable analogies filled with hyperbole in the service of bolstering a weak point was a swift kick in the nuts.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898296)

Unfortunately, GP would have still been safe had that been the standard punishment, as his analogy was not applicable at all.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898466)

Amen. Welcome to Slashdot, where geeks illustrate how poorly they understand analogies.

Re:What alternative? (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#36898602)

I'm sorry, I don't see anything about cars in that post, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Re:What alternative? (1)

Anon-Admin (443764) | about 3 years ago | (#36898340)

He could come around my place but he would be bringing a BOOT to a GUN Fight. I'd bet my bullets trump his boot any day.

Re:What alternative? (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#36898560)

So it's perfectly OK for CmdrTaco to come round your house and kick you in the nuts?

"OK"? Why the hell do you think I STARTED using slashdot?!?

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898168)

If someone can point me to competing service that is accepted at my preferred retailers

I don't know who your preferred retailers are but I'd suggest Visa and Mastercard. I use Visa myself and haven't had any problems. Maybe I just frequent the wrong web sites *shrug*.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898504)

Big problem there is that you have to give every company you do business with enough info to do damage. Yes you can get your money back, and in theory you can get your credit report cleaned up... but it's a hassle.

Nice thing with paypal is it acts as an abstraction. Even if a site I do business with gets hacked... they don't have enough info on me to get at my money. I especially like that they offer a key token (something my bank _still_ doesn't offer!) although I hate that there is a really easy route to bypass it (why do all companies do this.. put as much security into your recovery process as your login process for pete sake!).

And most of these anti-paypal stories you hear relate to controversial people/organizations storing large amounts of money in their account and/or fighting the government/authorities/big businesses. For personal use.. they have been great for me. Any money I receive via paypal gets moved out pretty quickly ... and the government can have my records if they want them. In other words, don't use them if you are trying to stick it to the man, and don't keep 1/4 million dollars in your account for them to close...

Re:What alternative? (5, Funny)

m2vq (2417438) | about 3 years ago | (#36898188)

Bitcoin is a great alternative. Bitcoin wiki has a huge list of stores and services [bitcoin.it] from wide array of areas that accept BitCoin.

Re:What alternative? (0)

jandrese (485) | about 3 years ago | (#36898442)

I wish I still had modpoints so I could mod that funny.

Re:What alternative? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898522)

i wish Lulz would make themselves useful and bring down this whole bitcoin charade once and for all

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898548)

Bitcoin is a great way to make money [wikipedia.org] !

Re:What alternative? (2, Interesting)

Tridus (79566) | about 3 years ago | (#36898198)

Until they decide to freeze your account for a few months because some joker on eBay lodged a totally fake complaint. At that point you may not like them so much anymore.

Paypal's service is pretty terrible whenever there's any kind of problem. You're really just counting on getting lucky that you're not one of the people who does.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898358)

Seriously, I couldn't even close my account now if I wanted to (and I do, but it's unrelated). Because I have approximately 8 million passwords, I forget some from time to time. PayPal seems to think this means I have to upload a photo ID to them in order to do, well, anything with my account again. Oh, and this is after having to get an authorization code mailed to me because I couldn't confirm my account with a land line. Who the hell has a landline anymore?

PayPal? Fuck 'em.

Re:What alternative? (2)

AndrewNeo (979708) | about 3 years ago | (#36898576)

Oh, wow. I -just- had this same problem, to the letter. I got my transaction suspended, it wouldn't confirm my "landline" (Google Voice) (I entered the correct number -twice-), and I never got the letter they were supposed to mail me, so I sent my photo ID. I would love to get rid of my PayPal account.. but I need to be able to send money to people and services that only take PayPal, unfortunately.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898444)

I closed my PayPal account after the Wikileaks/Assange suspension. Haven't missed it for a minute. If a company/person wants to sell me something then they'd best take payment in another method.

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898366)

Credit cards?

Re:What alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898634)

Or any other merchant account. If a business is so small that they can't get a merchant account, I wouldn't trust them too much.

Re:What alternative? (1, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | about 3 years ago | (#36898458)

"We encourage anyone using PayPal to immediately close their accounts and consider an alternative."

Coming from these guys, this doesn't sound as much like a boycott as it sounds like they've found some laundry they're about to air.

Re:What alternative? (1)

elsurexiste (1758620) | about 3 years ago | (#36898580)

I heard of MoneyBookers (go prepurchase Minecraft and you'll see them), but they too banned payments to wikileaks :( . This was on August and they are, IIRC, still in that position. Shameful.

LulzSec in my pants (1)

slashpot (11017) | about 3 years ago | (#36897860)

LulzSec calls for a Boycott in my pants! tards

Re:LulzSec in my pants (1)

biek (1946790) | about 3 years ago | (#36898040)

"Way ahead of you" -women everywhere

Just to say.. (1)

postmortem (906676) | about 3 years ago | (#36897862)

lulz-- to arrested one
lulz++ to police

do alternatives exist? (2)

rbrausse (1319883) | about 3 years ago | (#36897876)

okay, so PayPal shows again its evilness. but though I dislike the quality of the service (I will never use my account to actually store any money) I don't see any competition.

Can anyone advice a payment service with a similar acceptance and convenience?

Re:do alternatives exist? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36897938)

check what gambling sites are using. those money services offer prepaid visa's etc to withdraw as well.

Re:do alternatives exist? (4, Informative)

Dachannien (617929) | about 3 years ago | (#36898130)

Exactly how did PayPal show its evilness this time? Their website was DDoSed, which is against the law, and they had evidence showing where the attacks originated, which they turned over to authorities. What's evil about that?

Re:do alternatives exist? (3, Interesting)

hideouspenguinboy (1342659) | about 3 years ago | (#36898240)

A lot of my farm customers have started asking me to accept these folks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwolla [wikipedia.org] It's the worst named thing I've ever encountered, but apart from that it looks ok. They are a pretty new company, but growing fast. I did create an account with them, but have yet to accept payment using them.

Re:do alternatives exist? (1)

elsurexiste (1758620) | about 3 years ago | (#36898642)

Mod parent up. An alternative to Paypal and MoneyBookers exists!

Re:do alternatives exist? (1)

Sedated2000 (1716470) | about 3 years ago | (#36898392)

I think you might like the Amazon Money Transfer service. It's free.

Shetland islands? (4, Funny)

Xest (935314) | about 3 years ago | (#36897878)

Christ, with the slowness of BT, I'm amazed they even have internet out there yet.

Uhh... yeah, right. (0)

Literaphile (927079) | about 3 years ago | (#36897882)

And why should anyone listen to what a hacking group has to say about PayPal? I'll consider closing my account after LulzSec writes me a cheque to cover the revenue that I'd lose from my online business.

Re:Uhh... yeah, right. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898126)

And why should anyone listen to what a hacking group has to say about PayPal? I'll consider closing my account after LulzSec writes me a cheque to cover the revenue that I'd lose from my online business.

I'd guess it's probably a really, really pathetically veiled threat, actually. I'm expecting a bunch of basement-dwelling wannabe-anarchist spazzes to attempt to DDoS PayPal soon.

Re:Uhh... yeah, right. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898282)

Well I just hope your 'online business' doesn't in some way offend Paypal or the powers that be at any point. The wrong complaint about your 'online business' to Paypal could mean the revenue from your 'online business' suddenly dries up completely. I hope you have an alternative method of making/taking payment for your 'online business'. Only an imbecile would leave their 'online business' at the mercy of what is for practical purposes an unrelegated bank.Otherwise your 'online business' could fail on the whim of Paypal. I doubt Paypal will be writing you a cheque for the revenue you aren't getting from your 'online business' if that happens. Indeed you might find the money you already made with your 'online business' might dissappear, even if you already moved it to your bank account. I'm sure you have a host of lawyers working on behalf of your 'online business' to get you out of such a mire should it happen.

Lulzsec (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | about 3 years ago | (#36897886)

I wonder how many lulz you can have sitting in jail, or fined into bankruptcy?

Re:Lulzsec (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36898014)

quite a lot, actually! being fined to bankruptcy means nothing in a world where you still get housing and pc's cost nothing. of course, did they get topiary or not? and if they did, is being a spokesperson for them illegal? it's not like they're a separatist group that goes around blowing mayors up.

they did tweet this though for those guys saying that they didn't give an alternative to paypal...
"LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Get yourself a slice of MyBitCoin, Liberty Reserve, WebMoney, Neteller, Moneybookers, and start using prepaid credit and gift cards. #Protip"

Re:Lulzsec (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | about 3 years ago | (#36898146)

They're not going to charge him with "being a spokesperson", same as they didn't charge Cleary with "running an IRC server". If they find evidence that he actively took part in (or even facilitated) any attacks on a company, they'll charge him under the Misuse of Computers Act.

Re:Lulzsec (1)

Nursie (632944) | about 3 years ago | (#36898214)

Really? Bitcoin?

Yuck.

Re:Lulzsec (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898222)

The article uses the term "man" loosely. It really should read "kid".

Paypal has no rivals (4, Insightful)

Superken7 (893292) | about 3 years ago | (#36897900)

How easy is it to say "and consider an alternative" without even giving one?

One of the problems with paypal is that it has no rival at all. Even if you do not take into account the fact that paypal is a de-facto standard payment method, there are very few alternatives.
I'm sure lots of people would ditch paypal for lots of reasons. I would. I use google checkout whenever I can, because I particularly have more trust in Google than in paypal, even if checkout is in some ways worse than paypal. But very few people offer checkout support.

I hope this guy knows that (almost) nobody will close their accounts because of his statements, but that this adds more weight on the "trend" that people are more and more dissatisfied with paypal and is seen as something "bad but necessary" and maybe "just good enough" in the eyes of many.

Re:Paypal has no rivals (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#36898026)

"MyBitCoin, Liberty Reserve, WebMoney, Neteller, Moneybookers" -- that's what they gave as alternatives. neteller is quite popular for things that paypal doesn't allow, paypal is like the sunday school money of the world.

Re:Paypal has no rivals (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#36898584)

"MyBitCoin, Liberty Reserve, WebMoney, Neteller, Moneybookers" -- that's what they gave as alternatives. neteller is quite popular for things that paypal doesn't allow, paypal is like the sunday school money of the world.

You lost me when you said "Bitcoin" and I realized you weren't making a joke.

Re:Paypal has no rivals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898084)

There is at least one rival. It is distributed, unforgeable and cannot be inflated by fiat. This digital commodity is called bitcoin. And it works today. It can replace paypal and credit cards in much of the commerce that occurs online.

Re:Paypal has no rivals (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898288)

Bitcoin is not a rival to paying with standard currency. It is a joke "currency" and it is artificially inflated by idiots who use it in their own retarded trading circle, like any other collectible's value.

Re:Paypal has no rivals (4, Informative)

TheCRAIGGERS (909877) | about 3 years ago | (#36898334)

There is at least one rival. It is distributed, unforgeable and cannot be inflated by fiat. This digital commodity is called bitcoin. And it works today. It can replace paypal and credit cards in much of the commerce that occurs online.

Correction: It *could* replace paypal and credit cards. In much the same way that taping wooden nickles to a fleet of carrier pigeons after winning an ebay bid could also replace paypal. Oh sure, it's technically feasible, but nobody accepts it. And what is the value of currency that nobody accepts? That's right, zero.

So it's not so much a 'rival' as it is a 'possible alternative that might some day be useful if the stars align and it takes off.'

Re:Paypal has no rivals (2)

etymxris (121288) | about 3 years ago | (#36898170)

Alertpay is the best alternative I've seen so far. Of course you can't use alertpay at most online shops, but if you're sending money to people you know, it works well.

good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897904)

hmmm... hacking from an island where there are only 3 computers in the whole community is not the smartest move. I do understand however that the Shetland's have some of the best kept hedgerows in the UK

People Still Use PayPal? (1, Flamebait)

kyrio (1091003) | about 3 years ago | (#36897912)

I thought there were enough reasons, from a very quick Google search, to never sign up for a PayPal account. If your money isn't being stolen by someone you've purchased from, PayPal itself is stealing it all by closing your account and never paying out.

It's been extremely obvious, for at least five years now, that PayPal is not a place to keep your money.

Re:People Still Use PayPal? (2)

ScentCone (795499) | about 3 years ago | (#36898326)

Been using it for many years. Never a single problem. I don't leave large piles of money in that account, but that's because I use their debit/credit card to spend that money on other things that I do ... and get a kickback for doing so. I invoice people, send money, process checkouts from multiple business entities, all with trouble or any hint of it. My customers gladly use it. And my experience is not an abberation. The handful of very noisy exceptions are.

All of that said, I use Square (squareup.com) for swipe-the-card type transactions. Terrific service, and customers can't seem to stop enjoying signing their charge with their finger on my iPad screen.

Alternative? (1)

robmclarty (2211220) | about 3 years ago | (#36897930)

I live in Canada where there's no Amazon or Google checkout or anything. What's the alternative to Paypal? I'd gladly use it, regardless of what LulzSec wants me to do.

Re:Alternative? (0)

kyrio (1091003) | about 3 years ago | (#36898032)

  • Moneybookers
  • AlertPay

This isn't something new, the same topic comes up every time people pretend a Google search won't come up with alternatives. If the places you are shopping at don't support any of the ones I suggested, or the ones you already knew of, ask them to implement it. The rest of the world is already using the two I've suggested.

Re:Alternative? (2)

ccguy (1116865) | about 3 years ago | (#36898318)

Moneybookers

Moneybookers are a bunch of thieves as much as Paypal. Only reason there's less stories about them is that they are much less used, but here's mine. I used it to receive money (same at Paypal). At some point, they decided I have received a lot of money (around 1000 EUR I think) over the past months, and that I had to send them proof of ID. They wanted a color photocopy of my Spanish passport, sent to a random address in the UK. Until I did so, I wouldn't be able to get my money which they just decided to hold.

I told them to just close my account (and well, deposit my money in the bank would be nice) but they replied back that I had to send my ID to close the account too. I'm not going to send a copy of an ID that can be used for a million things . So well, my account is still open, and they have my money. There isn't a timeout or something.

So please: Don't recommend moneybookers. They suck as much as paypal.

Re:Alternative? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898448)

You are complaining that they are "stealing" your money even though you haven't given them proof of who you are. Unlike PayPal, who you would also be sending your ID to, at a random address, Moneybookers is regulated. They have to comply with rules set out by a governing body. Your money is sitting in that account because you are a retard, not because they are thieves.

Re:Alternative? (3, Insightful)

ccguy (1116865) | about 3 years ago | (#36898600)

You are complaining that they are "stealing" your money even though you haven't given them proof of who you are.

If they want proof of ID, then they should ask for it up front - not when they have money and I have no option. Of course they won't return the money to the sender either.

Unlike PayPal, who you would also be sending your ID to, at a random address, Moneybookers is regulated.

Show me the regulation that says that they get to keep any money?

Your money is sitting in that account because you are a retard, not because they are thieves.

They are thieves. They won't give me my money and they won't give it to the person that sent it. And they demand that I send them a photocopy of a document that can be used to open bank accounts (real ones), apply to loans, and lot of other things. If you think I'm being a retard for not sending them that document, then will, go fuck yourself and send them yours.

Re:Alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898118)

moneybookers is an alternative, I used it couple time and it work great, it's just that paypal is pretty much everywhere and there is a lot of seller that doesn't want to accept something else

Re:Alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898312)

That's right up there with "Let them eat cake" in terms of missing the point. If people won't accept it then it isn't an alternative.

Oh sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897942)

I was just waiting for an opportunity to help serve LulzSec's means, after they've posted my login/password all over the internet.

Fzck yeah! (0)

xTantrum (919048) | about 3 years ago | (#36897976)

Totally for boycotting paypal. And while we are at it, the traditional banking system as well. Though the latter will have to be phased out by most ppl. As far as I'm concerned they are all in collusion and get away with financial murder. My Hydro company doesn't care what kinda business I have or what I use electricity for. I could be electrocuting my neighbour's chi wow wow or using it to power my laptop while I type out the next unification theory that unites QM and EM. Nor does my telephone company care whether I'm using their service to organize a war or to donate to mother Theresa's new fangled organization. Fzuck banks! it's about time they were brought to their knees along with the MAFIAA and Big Oil, Big Pharma and all the rest of these old school companies with their monopolies, draconian business laws and models. The revolution will not be televised, it will be digitized. Thank god I can code :)

Re:Fzck yeah! (2)

kyrio (1091003) | about 3 years ago | (#36898062)

What's a "chi wow wow"?

Re:Fzck yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898362)

I could be electrocuting my neighbour's chi wow wow or using it to power my laptop while I type out the next unification theory that unites QM and EM.

Liar, you're looking at porn. Lousy porn too.

Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36897986)

The comments left as per spokesman for lulzsec sounded as if they came from a juvenile brittish whiny dropout.

Closing PayPal account is not possable - lulz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898070)

I got jacked on eBay years ago - seller shipped me empty box with tracking number. eBay refused to do anything - seller had "proof" of shipment. PayPal refused to do anything - seller had "proof" of shipment. I got really pissed and tried numerous emails and phone calls spending hours and hours on the phone trying to get my PayPal account closed - never happened. Gave up. They will not close accounts. You can stop using them - but you can never get a paypal account closed. Anyone that says they have is full of shite.

A couple years later - I need a specific old car part - ebay it - and use my old paypal account to pay for it. Then started using it to receive online payments for a subscription site. I hate PayPal - but you can not close the account - and you will eventually use it again in the future unless you are dead.

Re:Closing PayPal account is not possable - lulz (2)

kyrio (1091003) | about 3 years ago | (#36898116)

If you decide to close your PayPal account, you should withdraw any funds in your PayPal balance and then follow the set of instructions below that match what you see on your account:

Log in to your account at www.paypal.co.uk
Click 'Profile' at the top of the page.
Click the 'Close Account' link located under 'Account Information' and follow the instructions. (Don’t see this step? Follow the instructions below.)

Or

Log into your PayPal account at www.paypal.co.uk
Click 'Profile' near the top of the page.
Select ‘My Settings’.
In the ‘Account Type’ section, click ‘Close account’ and follow the instructions.

We may ask you to confirm ownership of the account before it is closed.

They Hacked Paypal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898078)

Maybe what they're saying is that they've quietly hacked into Paypal, are currently wiping out their backups and disabling automated backup schedules, and will shortly proceed to wipe out the balance of all Paypal users.

Consider it an early warning? ;-)

Link to actual message (2)

Azmodan (572615) | about 3 years ago | (#36898122)

Here's the actual link to the original Anon / LulzSec / AntiSec / ... http://pastebin.com/LAykd1es [pastebin.com]

I have no love of PayPal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898134)

But why should we listen to these LulzSec assholes who will probably just use a mass PayPal exodus hack whatever PayPal alternatives there are anyway & expose the details of users who tried to support them?

Now I feel even better about that H.I.B. (1)

Duradin (1261418) | about 3 years ago | (#36898136)

Now that LulzSec is calling for a PayPal boycott I feel even better about throwing some money at the "humble" indie bundle last night (for as much press as they get they should drop the humble) through PayPal.

Re:Now I feel even better about that H.I.B. (1)

Ectospheno (724239) | about 3 years ago | (#36898666)

Yeah, the humble bundle is a good deal. Picked mine up today. Used Google Checkout though. Paypal can diaf for reasons completely unrelated to lulzsec.

Its possible to close a paypal account? (2, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about 3 years ago | (#36898142)

Its possible to close a paypal account? If you thought it was hard to delete your facebook acct, try paypal for a real challenge.

Re:Its possible to close a paypal account? (1)

Azmodan (572615) | about 3 years ago | (#36898180)

Re:Its possible to close a paypal account? (2)

Time_Ngler (564671) | about 3 years ago | (#36898538)

You can't close a "limited" account, and in some cases it's impossible to get an account out of "limited" status.

paypal (1)

s1d3track3D (1504503) | about 3 years ago | (#36898212)

[slowly moves arm in front of and across body, chest high, while clasping hand] 'You are mistaken, Paypal is not the company you seek'

Well, it's all for the lulz so it's ok (1)

poity (465672) | about 3 years ago | (#36898230)

Police are doing it for the lulz too
Great fun being had by all

Encouraging or Encouraging *wink wink* (2)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | about 3 years ago | (#36898266)

Are they encouraging us to do so because they just don't like them, or are they're encouraging us because they're going to do something nasty and if we have money in Paypal we might lose it?

Shetland Islands (2)

Danathar (267989) | about 3 years ago | (#36898436)

Nothing against the Islands but that is probably one of the LAST places I'd look for him.

I'm reminded of a saying... (2, Interesting)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | about 3 years ago | (#36898462)

"You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike."

The police, of course and for the benefit of society is more like Pokemon, "Gotta catch 'em all!"

Imagine this for a second. 6 people are able to do massive hacks around the world. Remove one or all of them, and expecting at least 6 more to pop up in a world population of 7 billion is quite nearly inevitable.

But this is different than terrorism. In terrorism, you have to have access to money, IDs, explosive equipment, and be willing to die for your crazy cause. All a hacker needs is a PC, a net connection, and time.

I'm convinced that police could theoretically arrest every single terrorist that does or could exist (that isn't blowing themselves up before arrest) given enough time. But I don't believe they'd catch every hacker even if they worked the entire age of the universe given current technology and trends. And one day, someone is going to pull off the mother of all hacks that will have devastating consequences... but...

It won't be a lone wolf. As many hackers as may exist in the wild, far more work for governments. Why? Not on principle, but because what could be better for a hacker than to hack all day, being paid, and having complete immunity for your actions. No, you can't go bragging on Twitter. But I doubt the hackers that took the Iranian centrifuges cared about bragging, because the entire world saw their work already.

Re:I'm reminded of a saying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898530)

The police have plenty of prison space available as well.

Way to bury the lede in the headline (0)

dotmax (642602) | about 3 years ago | (#36898496)

Lulsec spokesmouth arrested: news. In the bigger scheme of things, nobody gives a rat fuck what lulsec thinks about paypal.

Budlighty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36898636)

This Budlighty is for you Top. Love you buddy.

who needs to learn what? (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | about 3 years ago | (#36898650)

FTA

What the FBI needs to learn is that there is a vast difference between adding one's voice to a chorus and digital sit-in with Low Orbit Ion Cannon, and controlling a large botnet of infected computers. And yet both of these are punishable with exactly the same fine and sentence.

Doesn't really matter where you stand on this one.

What the LulzSec needs to learn is according to the FBI that there is NO difference between adding one's voice to a chorus and digital sit-in with Low Orbit Ion Cannon, and controlling a large botnet of infected computers. And yet both of these are punishable with exactly the same fine and sentence.

There, fixed that for you
(you guys are screwed)

I encourage any and all "lulzsec" members (0)

binford2k (142561) | about 3 years ago | (#36898660)

To get stuffed. That is all.

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