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Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36901372)

Android powered Smartphones and Tablet devices

What about Android-powered media players? Is there an Android-powered counterpart to iPod touch for sale here? There is the Archos 43, but it doesn't come with Android Market.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901496)

What about Android-powered media players? Is there an Android-powered counterpart to iPod touch for sale here? There is the Archos 43, but it doesn't come with Android Market.

So pirate it. Instructions for all of Archos' devices exist. It's Android - it's free after all, and since Google didn't bake in any app DRM like Apple, the apps are all available on your favorite torrent sites as well. And I've seen daily app market torrents giving you all new paid apps of the day

And stuff like the Nook Color with the marketplace are also pirated, so it's no big deal.

Leave the purchasing of apps to the iOS chumps who have to jailbreak to even get close to what Android does out of the box.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901540)

This is what makes the thought of developing for Android so enticing...

Re:Android pod touch (2)

iamhassi (659463) | about 3 years ago | (#36901880)

So pirate it.... Leave the purchasing of apps to the iOS chumps...

This is what makes the thought of developing for Android so enticing...

Shame you posted as AC, I think that's a very Insightful comment.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36901574)

And I've seen daily app market torrents giving you all new paid apps of the day

The specific application that I want to use is the application to scan paper checks with my device's camera and deposit them to Chase Bank. I haven't seen it on AppsLib, SlideME, Amazon, or direct APK download from the web. It appears to be exclusive to Android Market. Do the app torrents include the free apps as well, or is using ArcTools to pirate Android Market the only way to do that?

Re:Android pod touch (5, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | about 3 years ago | (#36901642)

Are you sure you want to use pirated software or software from a non-official source for your banking purposes?

That sounds unwise.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 3 years ago | (#36901692)

I am sure that I want a person who will use non official sources for his banking apps to use them and then post the stories of how well it worked out for him so that we can all have a nice laugh and get on with the rest of our day.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902000)

Sure, pirates tend to be idealists while companies usually will do anything to get my money.
Just stay clear of those few pirates who pirate as a company.

Re:Android pod touch (2)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 3 years ago | (#36902154)

Sure, pirates tend to be idealists while companies usually will do anything to get my money. Just stay clear of those few pirates who pirate as a company.

LOL. No son, pirates tend to be people making money by getting you to install malware [archive.org] . If you think otherwise you are naive. Anyone who pirates banking apps of all things is going to get completely screwed.

I want to download the APK from Chase.com (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36903034)

Are you sure you want to use pirated software or software from a non-official source for your banking purposes?

If Chase were to offer a direct APK download from an HTTPS site whose certificate I can reliably authenticate to Chase, then yes, I would turn on "unknown sources" and install the Chase APK.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

darkgumby (647085) | about 3 years ago | (#36902048)

I used 'Bluetooth File Transfer' to copy some apps from my EVO4 to my rooted Nook Color. It packaged the app into a *.apk file and copied it across for me. I then navigated to the *.apk file with the file manager app and installed it from there.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#36902288)

I realize we've had our differences but a malware purveyor, I'm not. I just downloaded the Chase app to my phone and pulled it out of the /data/app folder. Enjoy. [dropbox.com]

Re:Android pod touch (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | about 3 years ago | (#36901850)

Leave the purchasing of apps to the iOS chumps who have to jailbreak to even get close to what Android does out of the box.

Ok, so ios users are chumps beacuse they jailbreak to do cool stuff, but ( using your example ) a nook color user is cool beacuse he had to root his device to do cool stuff..

ya, makes a lot of sense to me. Talk about hypocrisy.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#36902202)

I hope you realize that you and everybody that gave this a serious response just got trolled. You do realize that, right? Right?

Re:Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36903062)

everybody that gave this a serious response just got trolled. You do realize that, right?

I'm not always aware of how troll-like my words appear before I get replies. I want to overcome my condition. How do you recommend that I do so?

Re:Android pod touch (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#36901500)

The Android Marketplace has certain technical requirements that device makers need to meet to use the Marketplace which is here (PDF warning). IDK if any PMP meets those requirements, although I know as of 2.1 Google doesn't have telephony as a requirement, so they certainly could. Not sure why why the Archos doesn't have the Marketplace, but I bet not meeting the requirements is it. There are, however, alternate marketplaces you can install, many free, so I don't see it as an issue personally.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36901606)

There are, however, alternate marketplaces you can install, many free

So how do I convince my bank to add its check deposit application to one of these alternate marketplaces?

Re:Android pod touch (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#36901868)

Ah. Ummm, a strongly worded letter? Barring that, is it possible to sideload the app? I don't think any such PMP blocks that, the problem would be finding the .apk file. Also, its generally possible to get the marketplace working on such devices (this [androidapk.net] website lists instructions for Archos products, specifically). It really is a shame that Google doesn't work harder to make it work on all such devices, but I guess thats more the manufacturers problem.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

maxume (22995) | about 3 years ago | (#36901508)

It isn't exactly obscure information that Google is limiting the market app to devices linked to a cellular plan.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36901634)

So if Google doesn't want this market, then what's the viable alternative to iPod touch?

Re:Android pod touch (2)

maxume (22995) | about 3 years ago | (#36901676)

It may simply be the case that the micro-niche that you occupy lacks any alternative to the iPod touch.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

node 3 (115640) | about 3 years ago | (#36901828)

It may simply be the case that the micro-niche that you occupy lacks any alternative to the iPod touch.

The market for the iPod touch is not a 'micro-niche'. On the other hand, the market for iPod touch alternatives is. It's even smaller than the market for iPad alternatives, which is already extremely small as it is.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

maxume (22995) | about 3 years ago | (#36901938)

Micro-niche I was talking about: Android PMP+Chase App+No cellular.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

node 3 (115640) | about 3 years ago | (#36902172)

Then you replied to the wrong post.

Either way, adding "+Chase App" is redundant. "Android PMP+No cellular" is already a micro-niche. Hell, you can even remove "+No cellular" and this will hold true.

The only market where Android is not extremely small is in the phone handset market. Interestingly, this is the only potential Android market where there is a high amount of artificial influence, raising significant doubt that people are actually choosing Android specifically.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

maxume (22995) | about 3 years ago | (#36902212)

Nah, I replied in the context of the entire thread around this post:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2352138&cid=36901372 [slashdot.org]

Basically, tepples has manufactured some scenario that applies to him (the intersection of people that care about having a Chase app but do not want a smart phone has to be tiny) and is wailing about how the companies don't support it.

If I wanted to pay for a smart phone, I would choose Android over Apple in about 0.5 seconds, but maybe I am under some sort of artificial influence.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

node 3 (115640) | about 3 years ago | (#36901810)

So if Google doesn't want this market, then what's the viable alternative to iPod touch?

Google doesn't want that market, because it doesn't make them very much money. What good are ads without an ever-present internet connection?

It does seem shortsighted to me, though. Even though an Android Touch would give Google less revenue, it's still *some* revenue. And it would help Android's market share, even if only by a little. Which might be a reason for this. If Android went head-to-head with the iPod touch, it would lose, hands down, similar to how it's losing against the iPad.

Sure, it would be talked about very nicely here on Slashdot, and perhaps even 5% or so of the people who actively post here might even buy such a media player, but in proper market numbers, it would be a complete failure. That's something that perhaps Google would, reasonably, like to avoid.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#36903088)

What good are ads without an ever-present internet connection?

They're great when cached.

and perhaps even 5% or so of the people who actively post here might even buy such a media player

My cousin bought an Archos 43 because he wants a handheld computer on which to run applications but can't afford a cellular voice and data contract. I guess I must have been overestimating this sort of niche because three people across two households fall into it (one iPod touch and two Archos 43 in two households). Consider that Apple once marketed its iPod touch as a handheld game system in an attempt to compete with the Nintendo DS and PSP. It may still; I haven't checked in the past month.

Re:Android pod touch (5, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | about 3 years ago | (#36901698)

It isn't exactly obscure information that Google is limiting the market app to devices linked to a cellular plan.

Not obscure, perhaps, but false nonetheless. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses the Android Market, and it's Wi-Fi only.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902392)

You can actually install the market app on any android system you want, even the emulator. (great for testing market integration)

Re:Android pod touch (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 3 years ago | (#36903060)

It isn't exactly obscure information that Google is limiting the market app to devices linked to a cellular plan.

Not obscure, perhaps, but false nonetheless. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses the Android Market, and it's Wi-Fi only.

That's a feature specific to Honeycomb.

Whilst there is not as much demand for an Android powered media player as the whingers would make out, Google honestly did not anticipate any demand for one what so ever. Google thought most people would just use their phone for media purposes and for the most part they are right, however there is a small demand for them.

In any case, except that particular Honeycomb feature to make it's way to Ice Cream Sandwich.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | about 3 years ago | (#36901742)

not true. I came across a xoom tablet (android 3.0) with no cellular plan (wifi only model) and it had the market place. I've seen galaxy tabs all over the place (android 2.x) with no cell radio and they had the market.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 3 years ago | (#36902040)

I have it on my Asus Transformer which is Wifi only.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902084)

No they aren't.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902088)

Who cares if that information is known by tons of idiots or not; it's not true.

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902266)

I don't think they do.

My nook color's marketplace works just fine.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

maxume (22995) | about 3 years ago | (#36902418)

Okay, that's six people that have pointed out that I was misinformed.

I hereby apologize to the entire internet for opening my mouth without checking to see if I was even close to being correct.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | about 3 years ago | (#36902446)

I hereby apologize to the entire internet

I, the Internet, in the absence of Al Gore, accept your apology.

;)

Re:Android pod touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902006)

The Samsung Galaxy Player is what you're looking for.

And if you happen to find it, let the rest of us know because we're wondering what hole it disappeared into.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36902018)

So add the market yourself.

Re:Android pod touch (2)

gibletparade (1033096) | about 3 years ago | (#36902178)

What about Android-powered media players? Is there an Android-powered counterpart to iPod touch for sale here? There is the Archos 43, but it doesn't come with Android Market.

I've had this Samsung Galaxy S WiFi 4.0 for a few weeks now. Seems to match your description - not a phone but does wifi and app store fine thanks. Has good codec support. Ogg packs down audio really well too. There's a 5" version also. More info at http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=238 [anythingbutipod.com]

Unfortunately the app store update to get books and films is US-only at the moment.

Re:Android pod touch (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#36902526)

Is there an Android-powered counterpart to iPod touch for sale here?

What about the galaxy player? A new one is supposed to be coming in US Spring.

quietly? (1)

rbrausse (1319883) | about 3 years ago | (#36901380)

maybe "without announcement" as it seems impossible to "quietly" upgrade something when it results in a changed UI...

but at least we have a person to blame: he [itproportal.com] wrote it.

Old. (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | about 3 years ago | (#36901392)

I've had the new market for I think about a two weeks now... it was released I think on July 12th. It wasn't exactly "quiet" (I heard about it the day-of), nor was there any great fanfare.

Or they can continue... (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 3 years ago | (#36901400)

...to just download movies and books off USENET or torrents.

:)

I'm about to play with Android myself soon..been reading up on 'hacking' a nook into a more fully functional tablet...for cheap.

I saw a friends nook running cyanogen mod7, and all the stuff he'd downloaded for it, looked pretty sweet.

Re:Or they can continue... (1)

uofitorn (804157) | about 3 years ago | (#36902214)

I bought a nook and put cyanogen mod on it. It has really performed well below my expectations. So much so that I haven't even bothered charging it in the last 2 weeks. Given the choice again, I probably would have spent a little more for something like the new Dell Android tablet that was reviewed on el reg today.

Re:Or they can continue... (1)

rmcd (53236) | about 3 years ago | (#36902252)

Out of curiousity, what do you dislike about the nook + cm7? I ask because I have the same. I put swype on it, and it works quite well for my purposes (browsing, pdf reading). The absence of GPS and camera is unfortunate, but I knew they'd be missing. Only problem I've noticed is that for some reason gmail doesn't sync well.

Re:Or they can continue... (1)

Daneurysm (732825) | about 3 years ago | (#36902682)

I'm also curious about how CM7 on a nook color was so underwhelming to you...

Granted it isn't a Xoom, but it is $249. I installed it to the eMMC, OC'd to 1.3ghz, performance governor, installed launcher pro and I gotta admit it performs nearly as well as my Evo 4G did. I play games on it and they perform great. The browser performance sucks, but, that's the browser. Dolphin is a bit better, Opera is insanely smooth. I haven't done any modding or even tweaking since the weekend I got it. It really hauls ass. Sure, the battery life isn't as awesome as it was stock, but, it also isn't painful to use...quite the opposite and the battery life is still pretty damn acceptable (unless you need hours upon hours of nonstop screen-on gaming).

But, as usual YMMV...and did...but I'm also curious why and how you had such a dismal experience.

K-Rad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901404)

These new features seem quite innovative.

Android malware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901438)

Download your Android malware using an even better interface!

Android--the new Microsoft Windows.

Re:Android malware (1)

ThePeices (635180) | about 3 years ago | (#36901632)

Really? What malware is there in the official market?

Oh wait, there isnt any.

Been eating too many Apples today? I can smell your arrogant smugness from here.

Re:Android malware (-1, Troll)

node 3 (115640) | about 3 years ago | (#36901996)

Really? What malware is there in the official market?

Oh, really? [darkreading.com] Unfortunately, the story doesn't state whether the apps are from the Android Market, but I'm not exactly sure where they would have found 10,000 apps outside of it. But if you have reason to believe this is from outside the Market, I'm all ears.

The problem is that Google has a very hands off approach to their store. This is something that is treated as a virtue around here, but the downside of this cannot be ignored. Almost by definition it means that the Android Market is going to have apps of lower quality, including malware.

Re:Android malware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902396)

You seem to have a real hard-on for dissing Android. It's rather pathetic that someone would care so much about a platform they obviously don't like. The only problem is, your complaint is basically moot. Of course an open platform that anyone can develop for is going to have malware issues. The only thing is, only nerds like you actually care. Everybody else just keeps on using their phones. Kind of like how another massively successful platform that suffers from malware walks up one side of Apple and down the other. In case you're a little slow, I'm talking about Windows.

Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901524)

Went iPhone. That Android stuff is for kids. I don't have time for that hack shit.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901556)

Went iPhone. That Android stuff is for kids. I don't have time for that hack shit.

You do realize this is not Digg, don't you?

Re:Who cares? (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 3 years ago | (#36901572)

Of course he does, I'm sure he would troll in a completely different way on Digg.

Re:Who cares? (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 3 years ago | (#36901558)

Poor you...

Re:Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902110)

No buddy. Fuck you. Android is shit. It sucks the big dick. It has as many security holes as anything else, is over run with malware and doesn't even work half as well as the fanbois claim. Not to even mention how much Google takes advantage of its users. I guess you're just too dumb to see the shithole you've stepped into.

Re:Who cares? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#36902420)

I see the Engadget anti-Android trolls have invaded Slashdot. Oh well, only another 550,000 Android activations today. Sucks, don't it?

Re:Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902460)

Yeah, more Kias than BMWs sold today too. What's your point? More Britney Spears sales than Mozart today. Are you saying she kicks the old master's ass?

Re:Who cares? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#36903068)

Hahaha. And he follows up by trotting a particularly elderly saw. See, sometimes the best is the best seller. Sometimes the best isn't the best seller. What happens with cars and music doesn't correlate with anything other than, you guessed it, cars and music. Here's a nickel son. Get yourself a better meme.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902970)

No buddy. Fuck you. Android is shit. It sucks the big dick. It has as many security holes as anything else

Not as severe as iDevices that have had multiple security issues so bad that a website can own the whole device.

is over run with malware

How is one so feeble that they could be 'over run' with malware?

Won't work. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901536)

It will most definitely flop 'cause you Android freaks never pay for anything. Well, I take that back... if google can figure out a way put ads in there somehow, and sell your viewing habits to highest bidder (their true customers), it might just work out for them... though Nielsen will probably be pissed.

Bloatware increasing... (2, Interesting)

stretch0611 (603238) | about 3 years ago | (#36901546)

I noticed after a ASUS upgrade package for my transformer left me with a "Google Video" app. It can't be uninstalled, it won't play local media files, but it will let me spend money renting...

The prior upgrade left me with a useless ebook reader that I was not allowed to uninstall (google books). As time goes on, the more frustrated I will get. When it peaks, I will root my devices and uninstall all the garbage.

Hey google!!! I own the device not you... What part of "do no evil" allows you to put your crap I do not want on it??? If it is a choice and I find it useful, I'll install it and praise you. If I do not have a choice of (un)installing, I will never use it and curse you regardless of its usefulness.

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901666)

Dude,
You can fix your problem easily enough by installing an uninstaller. RTFM!

Re:Bloatware increasing... (1)

kenshin33 (1694322) | about 3 years ago | (#36901764)

Dude, didn't you see : "I will root my devices and uninstall all the garbage."? you only need root to do it !

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901818)

Blame ASUS for that not Google...

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901848)

Google's not blameless either; they are certainly paying Asus to do that.

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901966)

I should blame Asus because my HTC also has a lot of Google shit I don't want?

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902108)

No, you should blame HTC for that. Or your cell carrier, since they love to throw extra shit in and not let you change it.

If you want flexibility, root the thing and you have it. If you don't have a root-friendly android device, but you want flexibility, why didn't you buy one?

Re:Bloatware increasing... (2)

drsmack1 (698392) | about 3 years ago | (#36902034)

Hopefully Google will listen to your rant and not include that bloatware anymore that we did not ask for - I mean, who asked for a kernel anyways?

The next version will be kernel optional I wager.

Re:Bloatware increasing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902356)

OMG! It installed two apps that provide optional extra functionality that take up a couple of megs of space! How fucking evil is that? Those bastards! I bet they killed Kenny too. To the special hell with them!

Develop a sense of damn perspective you flaming, great, drama-queen. The fact you haven't rooted the device and removed any apps you don't use already is quite telling. All mouth an no trousers is the phrase used around these parts. Yes, yes I know. (imagine I am rolling my eyes at this point) You purchased a product and it should work just exactly how you want it to and damn everyone else and their desires and/or agendas. Blah, blah, blah. Who on earth would want apps to download films and books to read and watch at their leisure anyway? What you want is all that matters in this world and it should be handed to you on a silver platter by two rather fetching virgins. Perhaps you should write a strongly worded letter to Google telling them exactly what you want from your next device and maybe next time they will make it especially for you. Maybe Google should go the Blackberry root and not provide any useful software on their tablets at all? Then you could bitch about that too.

Where? (2)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 3 years ago | (#36901578)

So where or how does one go about getting this new version? It didn't show up as an update when I started the market application just now. Is this something that has to go through the carrier?

Re:Where? (1)

Is0m0rph (819726) | about 3 years ago | (#36901616)

Same here. Mine's not updated.

Re:Where? (1)

Megatog615 (1019306) | about 3 years ago | (#36902016)

Same, my Nexus S 4G's Market is still at 2.3.6, even after clearing the Market's data, cache, and uninstalling updates(and subsequently installing them again by running it).

Re:Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902464)

I found the .apk posted days ago on the xda forums, I installed in from there.

Re:Where? (2)

DoomHamster (1918204) | about 3 years ago | (#36902702)

This is a rolling update. Here is a link from Google on how to update: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=190860 [google.com]

Worth it yet? (1)

georgenh16 (1531259) | about 3 years ago | (#36901646)

I'm likely one of the few people here without a smartphone - is it worth it yet?

It's an extra $20 something a month for the data plan, and right now I have a waterproof shockproof phone to mitigate the risk of shelling out a few hundred if my phone breaks.

Am I really missing out?

Re:Worth it yet? (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | about 3 years ago | (#36901756)

I'm likely one of the few people here without a smartphone - is it worth it yet?

Depends what you want. I find it convenient to read and respond to new email on my phone, browse the Web from anywhere, pay my bills while sitting at the park, check Google Maps when I'm lost, calculate things (I have a full HP 48 emulator on mine), take the occasional photo of something wacky I see while out and about (and post it directly to Facebook), listen to music, and play the occasional game.

Then again, as much as people rave about how important "apps" are, I have apps on my phone that sounded cool at the time but I'm certain I'll never actually use. Maybe you'd use your phone even less. What you get for the $20 extra per month is that anytime you're possessed of the desire to do any of these things, you can just take out your phone and do it, then put it away again. If the added cost of one dinner per month isn't worth it to you, then don't buy a smartphone. Nobody's forcing you.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about 3 years ago | (#36901800)

Oh, and my phone is a Motorola Defy, [motorola.com] which is reasonably rugged. Motorola is rolling out the Titanium [motorola.com] now, which supposedly meets military specs.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36902052)

Is the bootloader locked? Does it also have that the shitfest that is blur installed?

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about 3 years ago | (#36902132)

I don't know about the Titanium, but for the Defy the answers are yes and yes (though I don't mind Blur at all, kinda like it in fact).

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#36902156)

I am going to be replacing my D1 soon and unless something changes I will be forced to switch carriers since verizon seems to not have any phones with unlocked boot-loaders.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about 3 years ago | (#36902684)

Well, I don't know how to explain it, but believe that even though the Defy's bootloader is locked, there is a one-click root exploit and you can indeed get CyanogenMod on it. I'm not 100 percent certain about this, though, because it's not something I feel compelled to do to mine, but if you like the hardware then you should Google it.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

georgenh16 (1531259) | about 3 years ago | (#36902256)

Thanks - sounds like the Titanium was meant for me!

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about 3 years ago | (#36901918)

It depends. If you own other mobile devices for functions the smartphone can also perform (playing media, handheld games, etc), it's probably worth consolidating into one device, especially when one of them breaks. If you don't ever feel the need to watch video, listen to music, read ebooks or play games on the move, then not. In either case, it's probably worthwhile keeping your old rugged phone as a backup, or if your doing any activity where its ruggedness is likely to be useful. It probably also has a longer battery life than a smartphone.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#36902162)

I came to the cell phone party very late. I didn't want one until I could take decent pictures, view pictures easily, could hook it to any computer to load what ever data I wanted.
Now I use it for so much more. Hell, just the other day I used an app to deposit a check. Awesome. I ahve taght several kids about constellations with impromptu demonstrations, The navigation is pretty good for my needs, it plays my music, and so on.

IIF you won't use it for anything more then what you use your current phone, then don't bother; but I think you would use it for more.

I got the Nexus S at best buy for 100 bucks with a 2 year extension on my contract. I got the buy back program because it's based on FULL retail, so when I'm done with my phone, I can trade it in for 119 dollars.
And yes, I got the extended warranty. It was cheap and I don't have to get a case to cover up my shiny precious.

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

hey (83763) | about 3 years ago | (#36902192)

You don't need a dataplan. Buy an unlocked smartphone and drop on your exiting SIM card. Connect with Wifi.

Re:Worth it yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902674)

T-Mobile for $1.49 you get 24 hour data access w/ no data plan, it's actually not a bad deal (you'd have to be using data daily for the plan to cost less). Why commit when you can just use it whenever you want. :)

Re:Worth it yet? (1)

Carrot007 (37198) | about 3 years ago | (#36902366)

> I'm likely one of the few people here without a smartphone - is it worth it yet?

It was 10 years ago. How many devices do you want to lug around?

> It's an extra $20 something a month for the data plan, and right now I have a waterproof shockproof phone to mitigate the risk of shelling out a few hundred if my phone breaks.

Sucks to be you then. I am paying less now I have a smartphone. Note I never ring people or text anymore so that part of the plan is low.

> Am I really missing out?

Only if such things matter to you.

OMG tiles! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901648)

Judging by the video [youtube.com] , someone in Google has bought a WP7 phone.

Only in the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901744)

my Dutch Android handset's Google Market doesn't offer me movies and ebooks to download. So I guess it's region limited?

renting digital movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36901792)

what do they need the bits back to loan to someone else?

cross platform (1)

fermion (181285) | about 3 years ago | (#36901922)

I buy books from Amazon because Amazon Kindle will work on many devices. iBooks is inferior not only technically, but also because it only works on iOS devices. An Android ebook will presumably be readable on Android.

iTunes, OTOH has players for iOS, Mac and PC, so that is a viable option. Not great, but Video tends to be heavily protected, so options there are limited. I presume Android market movies are for android. For renting movies, only being able to watch it on one device is not a big deal. They say there will be an app, but really the only thing that matters is what is here. Amazon probably does a better job, already tv ready, at movie rental than the Android store.

It is sad seeing Google playing catchup creating arguably inferior products whose purpose is to segment the market.

Re:cross platform (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902168)

Actually Google's book platform isn't really inferior to Apple's in any way. You can read books on Android, ios, pc web browser, use to be able to do android's web browser but they block it now trying to force people to get their silly app, a new iriver google book ereader just came out, also a number of others are compatible, not the Kindle, but the Nook does, along with Sony's readers and anything that uses Adobe's book format really, can read more here: http://books.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=179849

Re:cross platform (1)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | about 3 years ago | (#36902638)

Once you "purchase" the rental of a movie (is there a better word than purchase in this situation?), you can watch the movie through YouTube as well - as long as you log into YouTube with the same Gmail account you used to pay for the rental.

Google-oply (1)

hey (83763) | about 3 years ago | (#36902174)

Google is getting into too many areas for me liking. Maybe they aren't a monopoly but they certainly are leveraging their Android users into movie-renters, etc.
Perhaps G+ will take over social networking. Its too much power for one company.
I don't like it.

Re:Google-oply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902492)

Where is the gun pointed to your head forcing you to rent movies from Google? Or use Google+? Or anything Google?

Re:Google-oply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#36902886)

"Google is getting into too many areas for me liking. Maybe they aren't a monopoly but they certainly are leveraging their Android users into movie-renters, etc.
Perhaps G+ will take over social networking. Its too much power for one company.
I don't like it."

Yes and I would call the police for the gun they hold to your head forcing to use their stuff...

Re:Google-oply (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#36903054)

Maybe they aren't a monopoly but they certainly are leveraging their Android users into movie-renters, etc.

Do you have to rent movies? Even if you want to do you have to rent them from Google's service?
Pretty sure the answer to both of those is 'no'.

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