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Ubisoft Brings Back Always-Connected DRM For Driver: San Francisco

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the back-by-popular-demand dept.

DRM 261

Last year Ubisoft introduced DRM for their PC games that required a constant internet connection, going so far as to terminate single-player games if the connection was interrupted. After facing outrage, boycotts, and DDoS attacks, Ubisoft seemed to have softened their stance, issuing a patch for two games that allowed offline play. Unfortunately, it seems the change wasn't permanent; Ubisoft's upcoming racing game Driver: San Francisco marks the return of the contentious DRM.

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261 comments

That's ok (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36905890)

I'll re-institute my boycott of Ubisoft, and nothing of value was lost.

Re:That's ok (3, Informative)

Lord Crc (151920) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905896)

Indeed, I was going to get this on Steam, but that's just completely unacceptable. No sale.

Re:That's ok (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905920)

Obviously since you refuse to buy it, you're just a filthy pirate.

Arrr. At least according to Ubisoft.

Re:That's ok (5, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906056)

Agreed, it's not just Ubisoft, and it's not just for DRM, and it's not even just games. My GF got pissed at Comcast because when she decided she didn't need both a landline and a cell (she's on SS and rather poor), the cable price didn't go down so she just dropped Comcast.

Her daughter gave her a camera for Xmas last year and it was full, she wanted me to help her put the pictures in the PC. As soon as I turned it on, Norton complained that it needed to download updates. These days why do you even need AV without a net connection? The AV insisted on a net connection.

I plugged the camera in and Kodak demanded an internet connection to download its software. It didn't even need the damned software! after killing some processes, Windows happily downloaded the pictures from the camera.

People need to understand that a computer isn't a phone and has a lot of uses besides just surfing the web. We used computers without a net connection for decades. There is no reason whatever, from a customer point of view, for all these damned companies to demand an internet connection for a device or program like an AV or a camera or a single player game.

I pulled out my phone and emailed complaints to the damned companies, not that it will do any good.

If a single player game won't work without the internet, PLEASE don't buy it!

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906076)

These days why do you even need AV without a net connection?

erm... flash drives?

Re:That's ok (1)

c0mpliant (1516433) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906228)

I couldn't help but laugh when I saw "why do you even need AV without a net connection... so anyway, I continued to connect the camera with its rewritable disk space to my machine that still has autorun enabled..."
*facepalm*

Re:That's ok (0)

dasherjan (1485895) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906342)

Yes....but without a net connection the only way a virus has to transmit personal data is to load it to the usb drive and hope that you plug it into another computer with one. Which means that it increases it's chances of being caught since it's increasing its footprint. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that the person writting the virus will most likely ignore that method of attack. Since most people with a comp have some type of net connection.

Re:That's ok (1, Insightful)

g4b (956118) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906480)

viruses do not only transport personal data out of your pc.

sometimes viruses do different things. like particullary delete the personal data right where they are.

actually, viruses were around before the internet, even if it sounds pretty unbelievable.

oh back in the days, something that transported out data was called a trojan.

Re:That's ok (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906646)

trolled

Re:That's ok (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906898)

Yes, it used to be that the common virus vector was the floppy. A trojan can also be a virus but not necessarily. A trojan needs a person that isn't careful, a virus only needs a buggy program.

But there are so few viruses transmitted by removable media these days that a Windows machine not connected to the internet is almost as safe as a Mac.

And yes, viruses do all sorts of nasty things. But no program should assume that a computer is connected to the internet unless internet is needed. Browsers, email clients, multiplayer games, download tools, etc. But a camera or a spreadsheet or a single player game should NOT require internet.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906350)

continued to connect the camera that has always been in their possessions and only ever used as a camera. You guys are acting like taking pictures can somehow generate a virus or trojan that will infect their unconnected PC and ruin their lives. I mean we know its possible, but if I had a PC that was NEVER gonna be on the net, I wouldn't bother with AV. I am sure they didn't just find some camera outside and plug it in to their pc.

Re:That's ok (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906394)

the camera that has always been in their possessions and only ever used as a camera

Niche. I imagine that a lot of people carry a smartphone and use it as their primary camera.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906726)

continued to connect the camera that has always been in their possessions and only ever used as a camera. You guys are acting like taking pictures can somehow generate a virus or trojan that will infect their unconnected PC and ruin their lives.

Dude, did you not see Warehouse 13 the other day? Viruses can now be transmitted from computers to humans via webcams. At that point it's pretty simple for the virus to evolve and transmit itself via regular digital cameras, too.

Re:That's ok (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906454)

Linux is great for moving files around...

Re:That's ok (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906276)

Indeed, I was going to get this on Steam, but that's just completely unacceptable. No sale.

You complain about Ubisoft but would happily accept pretty much the same restrictions from Valve. That's supposed to be irony, right?

Re:That's ok (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906482)

Indeed, I was going to get this on Steam, but that's just completely unacceptable. No sale.

You complain about Ubisoft but would happily accept pretty much the same restrictions from Valve. That's supposed to be irony, right?

I'd say it's a legitimate decision. The defining difference between Ubisoft's DRM and Valve's is that Steam doesn't screw up your single player game if your connection drops out. For many people, Steam makes a pretty good case.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906500)

I can and frequently do access games I have bought through Steam without having an active Internet connection. Apart from the initial download most games will work perfectly fine when offline. I have even played lan games while offline in Steam.

Re:That's ok (2)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906842)

Most people, myself included, think Steam is a reasonable compromise. There's DRM, but it's pretty consumer friendly. Once the game is activated the first time it works fine without an Internet connection (or if Steam drops off the face of the Earth tomorrow). Since typically you're activating the game right after you just downloaded and installed it, chances of you not having a 'Net connection aren't high. It's not perfect, the chance exists that some time in the future you might want to reinstall a Steam game you purchased years ago and Steam might have gone out of business... By that time I've usually lost at least one of the media disks anyway, so the risk from my point of view is pretty small.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906424)

You can always get a DRM free version. Even better that version is completely free. Just search for it on your favorite torrent site a week after release!

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906496)

To log into Steam you need an internet connection lol so it wouldn't affect you in any way

Re:That's ok (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905980)

They just don't learn. Who at Ubisoft was so stupid that they forgot the reaction last time they did this? And wouldn't that idiot's decision have to go through some other people? This is irresponsible from both a PR and a revenue point of view.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906042)

They fired everyone and the new team is just as grossly incompetent as the last, I guess.

Re:That's ok (3, Insightful)

myurr (468709) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906104)

But the severity of the reaction will diminish each time they pull this stunt. By the 5th or 6th iteration it's likely to be such a subdued reaction that they'll get away with it completely. It seems to be human nature that each time we are outraged by something, the impact each time it happens slowly diminishes until we accept it as part of life.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906218)

By the 5th or 6th iteration it's likely to be such a subdued reaction that they'll get away with it completely.

They also won't be selling any games.

Re:That's ok (5, Funny)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906510)

It seems to be human nature that each time we are outraged by something, the impact each time it happens slowly diminishes until we accept it as part of life.

That seems to be true. At first I was outraged that I wouldn't be playing any Ubisoft games anymore but now I'm actually okay with it!

Re:That's ok (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906132)

If you think about it, it is difficult to believe any manager with enough power to make this kind of choices is a somewhat retarded guy which can't see even immediate consequences for his decisions.

IMHO the objective is to make people accept the always connected slav... er.. lifestyle. A company gets damages because of that policy? well, what's a company? a name on some assets owned by the same banks that own the competitors' ones. Under control of the same class of PHBs which went to the same schools, got the same degrees, and switch from one name to another.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906818)

IMHO the objective is to make people accept the always connected slav... er.. lifestyle. A company gets damages because of that policy? well, what's a company? a name on some assets owned by the same banks that own the competitors' ones. Under control of the same class of PHBs which went to the same schools, got the same degrees, and switch from one name to another.

Yep that's the objective. But it is stupidity. Stupidity knows no bounds, and exists at every level.

What actually happens is that gradually people come to see playing computer games as a hassle and avoid them altogether. Then the company complains about falling profits and assumes piracy. Most people don't think computer games are wonderful anymore. They see them as a waste of effort and a hassle....except for the simplest games like solitaire, minesweep and social idiot games like Farmville. They're poisoning the well. Of course a lot of them don't care as long as they've got their salary for the years they worked and a nice fat golden parachute.

Re:That's ok (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906176)

They just don't learn. Who at Ubisoft was so stupid that they forgot the reaction last time they did this? And wouldn't that idiot's decision have to go through some other people? This is irresponsible from both a PR and a revenue point of view.

They're a business, first and foremost. You can bet that if they didn't find it profitable to do the first two times, they're not going to do it a third time.

Here's an alternative scenario though it is bound to be an unpopular one: What if, the last time they did it, it was not the end of the world. What if they actually saw massive reduction in piracy, and a minor uptick in sales over what they expected? Sure, they patched it later - but if all they wanted to do was prevent the initial wave of piracy, the subsequent patch could have been indicative of success rather than failure. They gain some good PR for disabling it, while also receiving benefits from having included it in the first place.

Another unpopular but realistic way to look at it: they've already lost the customers they're going to lose out of this. They've seen the damage and deemed it acceptable in exchange for the benefits they receive by including the DRM.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906310)

What initial wave? Both games got, umm, "unofficialy" patched pretty quickly after release IIRC, so they didn't prevent shit. All they do with this kind of approach is annoy legit customers, who have to stay connected to the internet while playing a single player game and jump through all kinds of hoops if their connection is not as stable as they'd like it to be.

Re:That's ok (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906126)

I never stopped boycotting them...

Re:That's ok (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906346)

I'll re-institute my boycott of Ubisoft, and nothing of value was lost.

I'm guessing their bean-counters did the math and they don't need you.

Nothing of value was lost to them either...

Re:That's ok (1)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906484)

I've not bought a Ubisoft game since they introduced this DRM, despite the fact that they've released some that I wanted to get.

I think it's time for a new kind of boycott: Not only not buy games from companies that do this, but go out of my way to get the DRM free pirated version.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906550)

No change for me. I never lowered the boycott since I figured it would only be a matter of time before they tried it again.

Glad to know they proved me right.

And "From Dust" (4, Informative)

Elbart (1233584) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905908)

"3rd-party DRM: Ubisoft Online Service" http://store.steampowered.com/app/33460/ [steampowered.com]

Re:And "From Dust" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36905962)

Oh fuck, I actually intended to buy that game. Well, utorrent will be my friend I guess.

Re:And "From Dust" (1)

Gwala (309968) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905964)

Awwww man, I really really wanted to play that.

Re:And "From Dust" (4, Informative)

ultranova (717540) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905984)

"3rd-party DRM: Ubisoft Online Service" http://store.steampowered.com/app/33460/ [steampowered.com]

I guess the choice will be the Pirate Bay Edition, then.

Re:And "From Dust" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906186)

It is not confirmed that From Dust will require constant internet access, only that it will make use of Ubisoft Online Service. The 3rd Party DRM section on Driver:San Fransisco is noticeably different in that it explicitly says that constant internet is required.

Re:And "From Dust" (1)

Elbart (1233584) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906304)

In the fineprint:

High speed internet access and creation of a Ubisoft account are required to access this video game and online features and to play online.

Re:And "From Dust" (2)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906436)

That has to be a violation of the anti-tying clause of Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Re:And "From Dust" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906230)

I was thinking that im not going to let DRM constrict me to play a game I want... but if its going to be using that DRM im not going to buy it... I will play it though...

So? The game will just repeat itself. (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905910)

They return to using the same harebrained DRM scheme, we return to boycotting it. Why does UBI think it will be different this time? That we somehow magically now accept that kind of crap? If anything, the people who got burned by their previous attempt at it will now be wary and also abstain.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

larppaxyz (1333319) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905952)

If DRM allows true PC version of games, then so be it. We are already seeing that PC is not very loved game platform. Most of the games released are ported from PS or XBox and games developed for PC from start could look much better. Mouse & keyboard also allow better controls, no reason to force controls to gamepad or similar device.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906002)

DRM doesn't allow anything.
The PC is fine and has plenty of great games, the problem is casual players limit themselves to the big publisher games and won't explore real games that have depth and can only be created for the PC. Casual gamers want to pick up a pad, press buttons for an hour and then drop that pad. They don't want complex games where they are required to think and learn mechanics.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906022)

and yet actual devs are reporting that the pc is a much better platform than consoles. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.267888-Super-Meat-Boy-on-PC-Outsells-Xbox-360

I'm pretty sure this is a shareholder push acting out of emotion rather than logic, 'how dare they play the game for free?'. Or possibly just lack of understanding of the business, although that would just be confusing...

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906024)

Sorry, but if the maker of a game I want to play requires me to be connected to his server all the time just to play it, I will not accept this deal. It pretty much means that this maker will dictate for how long and under what circumstances I may play the game. He can change the rules later and impose even more drastic control over it and I could not do anything about it. He could turn off the server and I doubt I'd get my money back if he does. Essentially, I pay for the game, but the control over how, when and if I play it remains in the hands of the entity who sold it to me.

The console "look and feel" due to more and more games being nothing but cheap ports after being developed for a console is a problem, agreed. But invasive DRM is not the answer. We won't get better games just 'cause DRM will keep the PC gaming platform alive. They will still do cheap ports without adjusting for the different controls and stack the DRM on top of it. But it has its advantages. When I saw R.U.S.E., I wanted it. Badly. I saw the DRM and I abstained. By now, I now that it's just a cheap console knockoff and hence I'm pretty glad I didn't waste my money on it. If more games had invasive DRM at release, I would have let a few more slip and wouldn't be angry at me now for buying a game that pretty much requires a console controller to be played sensibly on a PC.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (2)

mcvos (645701) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906048)

If DRM allows true PC version of games, then so be it.

But DRM doesn't allow true PC versions of games. If anything, it reduces the market for them. And there were plenty of PC games before DRM.

We are already seeing that PC is not very loved game platform.

Mostly because of the crippling DRM that so many games are saddled with. DRMless games are thriving.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906210)

Except DRM doesn't allow "true" versions of PC games and that's a completely ridiculous notion.

Gamepads allow multiplayer (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906516)

Mouse & keyboard also allow better controls

This is true for some but not all genres. How well would, say, a racing or fighting game work with a mouse and keyboard?

no reason to force controls to gamepad or similar device.

Other than that in multiplayer games, an extra gamepad for players 2, 3, and 4 is far cheaper than an extra PC, extra monitor, extra mouse, extra keyboard, extra copy of Windows, and extra copy of the game. True, some genres (like FPS and RTS) require concealing your position from other players, but not all games are in those genres.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906556)

"IF" this crippled game does not sell then PC gaming is dead....

If, I like that word.

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. There fixed that for you.... It won't happen!

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906038)

They know the anti-DRM rally will get smaller each time they try it until everyone accepts it.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

malkavian (9512) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906412)

No, they don't.. Word about DRM slowly seems to be seeping out, and people are getting more riled about it across the board.
It's more like "They think the anti-DRM rally will get smaller each time, but in reality, it could more easily get louder and stronger".

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906572)

Actually, quite the opposite.

Take a friend of mine. An average Joe Gamer. No computer background whatsoever. One of the "I wanna play the game and not tinker with it or figure 10 things out before I get to play" people. He didn't know about DRM. Until one of the games he bought experienced "crashes" for no reason. Well, no reason other than the connection to the controlling server failed. Now I get a call every time he wants a new game and the first question is "will it work or will it be the same shit?".

In other words, the rally gets bigger, not smaller. More people are concerned with it because until the advent of this kind of DRM, it mostly worked. Ok, you had to insert a CD or something, but that was a minor inconvenience as long as the game itself ran. Now that point is broken and people start to notice and they start to notice that they do not want that. They want to play. And while they'd accept inserting a CD or having it tied to some account (like Steam), they get a bit miffed if the game doesn't work.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906058)

"If anything, the people who got burned by their previous attempt at it will now be wary and also abstain."

Assuming they find out about it prior to buying it. Believe it or not, there are gamers out there that aren't too internet savy.

Granted, if they got hit with it a second time, I suspect they would end up 10x as pissed.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906588)

It ain't that hard. If you buy your games online, every seller has a rating page and the anti-DRM crowd is pretty vocal about voting games into oblivion.

And burned children shy away from the oven. More and more people check out those reviews before buying after their first "experience".

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (1)

guises (2423402) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906080)

They think it'll be different because it will be different, eventually.
 
Remember the outrage when people found out that the Quake 3 demo was sending back information about players' computers? Now everyone does it. Remember when TurboTax introduced software activation? How about Half Life 2? People were livid. Now it's almost ubiquitous among games and growing among productivity software. How about removing dedicated servers? DLC? Lack of user made maps?

They just keep doing it and people get a little less outraged every time. It's easier when you have a blockbuster like Half Life pushing it, some people just can't resist the shiny, but it'll happen eventually regardless.

Re:So? The game will just repeat itself. (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906624)

These are all examples where the game originally worked. Which wasn't the case with UBI's "have to connect to play" scheme which failed miserably when it was first introduced, with people unable to play for days.

And while gamers accept things like privacy invasion and having to do without user maps and DLC, and while they may accept that servers will be turned off eventually, especially if they're not interested in playing a game longer than for maybe a year, what they DO care about is whether the game works when they buy it or not.

Yeah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36905922)

Ha first.

Simple solution (3, Insightful)

NimbleSquirrel (587564) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905928)

Don't buy their games.

They come out with the most amazing game in the world, but if they insist on doing this, they won't be seeing any of my money.

Seriously, they wonder why people pirate their games. Yes, there are people wanting it for free, but there is a growing number of people who pirate it just to get away from the DRM.

Re:Simple solution (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906208)

Yup, last week i contemplated picking up assasins creed 2 (used even, to not directly send money to ubi) or 3, because i really enjoyed AC1 (and supposedly, 2 and 3 have more free gameplay), but the always on DRM shit pretty much pushed me back to not buying it, this news once again strenghtened my resolve.

I have to little time to even play 0.01% of worthwhile games anyway, so cutting out ubisoft doesnt really hurt anyway, fuck those guys with their DRM

Re:Simple solution (1)

eulernet (1132389) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906396)

On the contrary, you should buy their game and ask for a refund because you cannot play without Internet.

After a large number of refunds, the large retailers will stop selling this game.

Re:Simple solution (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906470)

actually most retailers will not allow returns (even for store credit) of opened games.

Re:Simple solution (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906678)

Yes, there are people wanting it for free, but there is a growing number of people who pirate it just to get away from the DRM.

There will always be people out there that want it for free. Even if the price is reasonable they still want it for free. Those people are not your customers and they never will be. It's good to see that a lot of people are voting with their wallets here. Always on drm wouldn't be as big a deal if it's an online game but it still degrades your computer's performance.

pirate it (4, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905930)

well, that game just went on my "download a pirate copy, just because" list.

I just realize that this has been a trend for me for years now. If I read "DRM free", I feel zero inclination to go on btjunkie - either I like it and buy it or I don't and don't. But the more DRM there is in the crap, the more I'm inclined to most definitely not give them my money.

Too bad we're not in the majority. Just imagine if putting DRM on your game were a surefire way of having close to zero sales, but being on the top of the torrent lists. The whole thing would disappear so quickly, we'd wonder if it was all just a dream.

Because in the end, these guys are just about money.

Re:pirate it (4, Insightful)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906178)

This is why I don't understand DRM these days. DRM doesn't stop pirates. Pirates never have to deal with DRM, and even this advanced form Ubisoft is throwing around has been rendered useless in previous games infected by it. All this sort of thing seems to discourage is actually purchasing the game at all.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906498)

It's not about the pirates.

It's about sliding us into a Guilty-Until-Proven-Innocent culture!

The TSA will like this. "To prove you are not a terrorist, you must be constantly connected to our Trusted Citizen network. If you lose your connection, then you lose your trusted status and will be treated like the terrorist you have become until we clear you again."

Thanks Ubi (1)

cbope (130292) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905942)

... for yet another game to add to my "do not buy" list.

DRM encourages piracy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36905954)

I don't care about this game at all, but if I did, I'd opt for the DRM free version from The Pirate Bay.

great article (1)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905958)

btw, that RPS article is fantastic. Take a look (last link in the summary), just for the screenshots. What a way to clearly express your opinion. :-)

Re:great article (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906108)

I'd like to, but their webserver is reporting a 000 Smoking Hole error. Perhaps in the future we should avoid linking them on the front page, they obviously have incompetent hosting.

Re:great article (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906160)

Down modded for that? Did I huwt somewun's wittwe feewings? Here's a nickel, get yourself some real hosting, kid.

Not buying games with DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36905976)

With or without DRM, same number of people will download the game illegally.
It only takes one hacker for hundreds of thousands to copy.

Because of the DRM, less people will buy it.
Pure loss on their side.

R in DRM stands for lack of rights of the customers - if I buy the game, I expect to be able to play it whenever and however I see fit, not pending approval of Ubisoft and my ISP.

Not for me (3, Interesting)

g051051 (71145) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905986)

I'm already getting a refund for an Ubi game that has that DRM (The Settlers 7). They tried to push me back to Steam for a refund, but I pointed them to their own EULA, where it says you can get a refund if you don't agree to the DRM and the retarded Ubi launcher, and they're handling it.

No game is so good, interesting, or important to my life that I'd be willing to submit to this always on DRM.

Pirates more important than customers (1)

toxygen01 (901511) | more than 2 years ago | (#36905998)

If pirates are more important to the company than customers, players should think twice about buying their games.

In the end it's all cat & dog and we all know how it's gonna end. DRM cracked within weeks and paying customers left unplayable when disconnected while pirates will play happily offline.

Re:Pirates more important than customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906330)

Cracked within weeks? Closer to the same day the game is released. Some of the more advanced can take longer, but I remember this particular DRM was patched within a week of Assasin's Creed 2.

Re:Pirates more important than customers (1)

Serpents (1831432) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906518)

DRM cracked within weeks and paying customers left unplayable when disconnected while pirates will play happily offline.

Luckily, in some cases DRM gets cracked even before the game is released, often within a few days of its release and only rarely it takes weeks. You'd thing they would draw some conclusions...

Not Interested in Buying a Game That Stops Working (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906044)

I have many games from years gone buy that I still like to play every now and again. So this means if Ubisoft turn off their servers the game stops working? No thanks.

UBISHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906078)

Ubisoft makes some nice sounding games. they review good. UNTIL you get them yourself and actually start playing.
And find out the best parts of the game... Were on the back of the box.

I stopped buying their garbage quite awhile ago. Got burned way too many times on crap broken unplayable games you can't return.
And no. I don't pirate them either. Not for some bizarre moral or legal reason... But because their games are not worth the price of free. they really are that bad.

Now if they PAID me (alot) i might try some of their new games. After they remove this drm garbage that is.

So heres yet another ubishit game i have no interest in ever trying out. I feel sorry for the suckers who buy their garbage.

Fuck you ubisoft. Go broke already.

I don't boycott much (4, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906114)

But I do boycott overbearing DRM schemes. Seriously, this serves nobody's interest at all. It's now more difficult for me to even *look* at buying your games because I have to check if it has junk like this attached to it. So when it comes to purchasing decisions, if I see "Ubisoft" I have to expend more effort to check the product first before I buy it. That means that unless it's something fabulous, the chances are I just won't bother, and the name Ubisoft will put me off everything (it's already starting to now!).

And this time next year Ubisoft will be saying that sales of game X slumped because of completely unverifiable piracy when in fact it was just people annoyed with either previous or new purchases that have shite like that and either pirate or stop buying that and other, completely unrelated, products from Ubisoft.

Not everyone has a perfectly stable Internet connection, not everyone has a perfectly stable wireless connection, not everybody wants their PC constantly communicating online and taking up bandwidth for no good reason (how small the bandwidth is is irrelevant - it's more than it should be and adds up if every game were to go this route, you play a lot, and you have low bandwidth caps in the nation you're in). Just someone uploading photos as you try to do something can kill the average ADSL connection, now it means the game pause/saves/quits.

The people who don't have that stuff will be buying single-player games or games with lots of single-player content and still you force a completely ridiculous requirement on them.

A reliance on a constantly-available Internet connection to a third-party server in order to play a game is ridiculous. Hell, I might as well VNC into a damn computer on the other side of the world and play that way, there's little difference in practical terms between that and this DRM. Connection lost? Bye-bye game, or at best constant pauses and saves because it thinks it's gone.

In work, I have literally told companies to get lost after they tell me that the new iteration of their software is an online-only, access over the Internet, lose your session if it dies, affair. It's not that it won't work most of the time, but the point is that we lose control over when it does work. If local software dies, I can restore an image, or rebuild a machine, or do something to get it back and working. If remote software dies, we just have to twiddle our thumbs until their support line frees up.

It's a ridiculous thing and solves no problem that exists. Pirates will crack round it in days. Consumers don't have any problems without it but have massive ones with it. And console versions OF THE SAME GAME don't have that stupid requirement, despite consoles being online nowadays.

I loved the original Driver. The series got a bit lost after that but I was actually eyeing this up on Steam with the intent to buy it. Saw a thread on the steam forums pointing to those same articles, read them, saw the Twitter comment from Ubisoft itself and instantly removed it from my wishlist. My life is too short for that shit, my gaming time is gaming time, not tech support time. Ubisoft has forgotten that they are providing entertainment - that means "get everything out of my way because I want to have fun". Strangely, I don't want to be diagnosing my wireless/Internet in the middle of a game session, and will just choose a game that doesn't require that.

P.S. The game also doesn't support steering wheel controllers. A driving game. Seriously.

Re:I don't boycott much (1)

Kenoli (934612) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906450)

P.S. The game also doesn't support steering wheel controllers. A driving game. Seriously.

That's just lazy.

Lazy? Negligent maybe. Or stupid. Or something.

It's something.

Re:I don't boycott much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906802)

Lame. That's what it is, combined with Pathetic.

Add this idiot DRM scheme, and it moves right into the Epic Fail space...deep into it.

OnLive anyone? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906530)

Hell, I might as well VNC into a damn computer on the other side of the world and play that way, there's little difference in practical terms between that and this DRM.

Let me guess: You're not a fan of OnLive service either.

Re:OnLive anyone? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906632)

and hit the download cap? at least this works over slow links and higher ping unlike ONLive.

I still haven't bought Settlers 7 due to this (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906120)

And probably never will. Maybe it requires an MBA to understand how chasing away paying customers is good for business?

[off-topic] (1)

eyenot (102141) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906300)

BTW that's an awesome sig line, I had no idea where the quote originated so I searched for it and found the "Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame" email. What a riot!

Oh, I get it. (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906152)

We don't want to keep wasting all those resources developing for the PC. We're going to make DRM on the PC a complete piece of shit situation. Nobody is buying the game on the PC, now. PC gaming is dying. We can't make money on the PC. We're only making titles for consoles, now.

Insecure, somebodyubisoftcough? (1)

eyenot (102141) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906180)

Funny the lengths companies will go to in over-compensating for the fact that they aren't publishing "Need for Speed".

Antimalware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906216)

Does antimalware software block these sort of things? I'd pay for one which blocks DRM like the malware it is. Malwarebytes' doesn't detect WMP when it's installed, though.

Cue DDoS in... (1)

Syberz (1170343) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906268)

3... 2... 1...

A better protest (3, Insightful)

Comboman (895500) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906428)

A better (and legal) form of protest is to give the game a one star rating on Amazon and note the DRM problems in your review.

Re:A better protest (1)

Syberz (1170343) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906526)

Totally agree with you, however we both know what's really going to happen.

That's fine with me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906282)

I haven't purchased an Ubisoft game for a long time. You know, because they games they make are either:
1. Stupid (Rabbits, etc.).
2. Very poorly done ripoffs (EG: Donosaur vs DinoKing).
3. Frustrating and generic war games.

Fuck you Ubisoft, dig your own grave.

DAMMIT (1)

andydread (758754) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906302)

I was going to get this game on steam. Unfortunately I can't buy a game with this kind of draconian drm. No Sale Ubisoft. No Sale

Irony (1)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906378)

Drm just cost them a definite sale here, but i guess considering they're creating pirates, drm it is, record-breaking sales it is not.

Back in my day ... (-1, Offtopic)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906422)

Back in my day, I grew up in a small town -- under 10,000 people. We didn't ever lock our doors until we were going on vacation for a long time. There was no need -- no one broke into houses in our town.

Now, a loooong time later, I live in a similarly sized town, but I keep my doors locked when when I'm at home. Its a real pain for me -- more than once I've locked myself out of my house and not been able to get in. Unfortunately that's the reality of being in a community where that sort of stealing is more common. Times have changed.

I can move somewhere in which people stealing isn't a concern, sure. But I want to live in this community. The downsides of being locked out of my house once in a while is acceptable to live in a place I enjoy.

(Sorry, what were we talking about in this article again?)

Re:Back in my day ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906456)

Back in my day, I grew up in a small town -- under 10,000 people. We didn't ever lock our doors until we were going on vacation for a long time.

Did you also wear an onion on your belt, which was the style at the time?

Fool me once (1)

Xian97 (714198) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906440)

Many of the people I knew that bought the previous games with this DRM were not aware of it. Now after being burned once, their awareness of DRM has been raised. They won't get as many unsuspecting customers this time.

Boycott is the wrong answer... (4, Interesting)

cypherljk (201011) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906718)

We're going about this the wrong way. We should all buy copies of the game and then return it the next day because it won't play without the internet. That will cost Ubisoft thousand of dollars handling returns / RMA's from their various vendors and send a clear message about the DRM.

Complaining much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36906814)

I don't know why everyone is complaining this much. I never had a single problem with their DRM.

Oh and to those saying that removing DRM will stop piracy, may I point out to The Witcher 2? All futur DLC free, free updates, NO DRM, but it was pirated like there's no tomorrow so... yeah. It's just natural for a company to protect their intellectual property. It might be a draconian way to do it yes, but still.

Insanity? (1)

Marc Madness (2205586) | more than 2 years ago | (#36906846)

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
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