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29 Universities Seek High-Speed Networks

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the streaming-lectures-versus-movie-torrents dept.

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An anonymous reader sends this quote from USA Today: "The University of Missouri announced Wednesday it is joining an effort by some of the country's top colleges to build 'ultra' high-speed data networks in their local communities. The project is known as Gig.U: The University Community Next Generation Innovation Project. The 29 participating schools include Arizona State, Duke, Florida, Michigan, New Mexico, North Carolina, South Florida and Wake Forest University. The Aspen Institute, a Colorado-based nonprofit, initiated the effort. The schools and their local partners will solicit proposals from telecommunications companies in their area. They hope to quickly build high-speed broadband networks in communities with low unemployment and heavy demand for such services."

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I have a better idea. (3, Insightful)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935402)

Lower your damn tuition.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935454)

As long as people pay for it, why bother? There are lower cost options available that give out the same paper. If you really want a special name on top, you should pay for it.

Either way this is a good initiative I think as I live in an area with a couple of Universities and Colleges. This won't only help the colleges but also the surrounding living areas and businesses and in return attract more people that have kids and need education.

Re:I have a better idea. (3, Interesting)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935826)

Because over $100 billion in Federal student loans are given out each year for those tuitions, and it's only going up. So the taxpayer is on the hook for those government guaranteed loans, and it's the reason why Universities can keep increasing tuition.

I also don't see why you would need 1Gbit, 15mbit streams 1080p already. I really don't need anything faster and I can't think of anything that would.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936530)

Federal student loans are the biggest reason for extremely high tuition rates. The universities gain near perfect price discrimination by looking over an applicant's financials and charging them the most they can possibly afford. If rates were low, then students might actually benefit by getting an education for less than they were willing to pay. By keeping rates high the university makes every student pay the maximum of what they are willing and lets the federal government pay the remainder for even more profit.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36937708)

>>Federal student loans are the biggest reason for extremely high tuition rates.

That is an extremely cynical and inaccurate, though highly populist sentiment. Do I need to explain the meaning of non-profit to you? Are you that dense, or do you have this tinfoil hat idiotic notion that school faculty and staff are taking bundles of money home to burn for heat? Most public institutions of higher education (and many of the private ones) would gleefully offer services at no cost if it was a practical possibility. Some of us started out that way, and then through constant cuts in funding, both state and federal, are inches away from being effectively private institutions.

No one likes the rising cost of tuition, outside of the financial companies, who are the ones who benefit from the student loan guarantee programs. Do you have any clue what it costs to build a science facility? Hell, do you know how much it costs just to build a surface parking lot? But I'll bet you bitched about the cost or unavailability of parking at your school.

The public schools are not turning a profit, they are legally prohibited from doing so. Even ones with a healthy endowment are by and large dealing with massive multimillion dollar deferred maintenance issues that in more than a few instances offset the entirety of their endowments. Most of the faculty and staff at these institutions (athletic programs notwithstanding) could find better pay in the private sector. But they dedicate themselves to the betterment of their students and society as whole because THAT, and not profit, is was drives them every single minute of every single day.

Providing quality education at any level is expensive. It just is. It is labor intensive. It cannot be automated or outsourced to India. This is reality. When you take all of the tax dollars back so that we each can get an extra $50 in our annual returns, that lost money has to be made up somewhere. That happens in tuition, like it or not.

As we cut funding for K-12 and higher education year after year, the Chinese are sinking massive amounts of money into it. Just who, pray tell, do you think is going to win that race?

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936614)

15mbit sounds great, until you start distributing it over an entire campus. I go to a college that recently upgraded their internet and campus network. At 5am, the system is wonderful. At 10PM, when the entire campus is surfing the web, web pages don't even want to load.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936838)

I get 15mbit to my house and it's only throttled to 11 during heavy use hours if i've been using all 15 for an extended period of time. Campuses don't distribute 15mbit across the campus, that would be insanely slow. They are talking about 1gbit to every user/household, which i can't think of any use for.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36937732)

Nobody needs more than 640 MB of RAM. --Gates.

Lesson learned? Apparently not, Americium.

Re:I have a better idea. (3, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936622)

Because the average Internet connection in the US (and most cities including this one) is 3Mbps, not 15. Also to spur innovation and economy (as online business is booming, except in the US where it's less time consuming to DRIVE in my government sponsored car to RedBox than streaming it).

Loans get payed back with interest, no worries about a mere 100B when at least 10x that amount gets spent yearly on unnecessary military campaigns and another identical amount trying to keep old people alive that can't afford a private insurance as there is no public health care option.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936846)

That's just one fed student loan program, 65% of students have loans. And 100B per year is about the cost of both wars. Obama just reduced the time til the loans go into default to 15 years, so not only will students be bankrupted by the high tuition rates, the taxpayers will also lose money.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#36939624)

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" $663.8 billion. Overall the budget has over 1.1 trillion dollars set aside for direct military spending not to talk about the indirect costs and during the republican rule this was 1.6 trillion dollars.

The US spends roughly 5% of GDP, 50% of tax revenue on military spending, roughly 6x the amount that a militaristic country like China spends. Off course that is what the tea baggers want: less spending but don't cut any of the services and increase military spending so we can feel safe.

Did you know the US still has operations and bases in Germany and other places in Europe to keep the Nazi's from taking over?

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943236)

Yea I know and as I stated before both wars are costing around $100 billion per year. The whole point of taxes is for the military, that's why we have an income tax. I thought tea party activists were for lowering military spending but having it account for a larger percentage of government spending.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943768)

...Obviously you don't know any Tea Baggers...
I rent from one. That is pretty much the exact opposite of the tea parties goals.
But good luck spreading FUD.
You might have an ally in your goals if you actually do some research.

The tea party has been described as democratic in economic policies, in other words they support the healthcare bill.
but republican in moral issues, in other words against abortion.

And anyone who complains about my grammar and syntax is a British word for cigarette that means something quite different in America.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Bengie (1121981) | more than 2 years ago | (#36940934)

" And 100B per year is about the cost of both wars"

The one war alone cost over 3 trillion. That's 30 years at 100B/year. Last I checked, it started after 9/11/2001, not back in the 1980's

Even if they were the same, guess which one has a return on investment?

Six years ago, back when I was in college, my poli-sci teacher showed us an interesting thing. He added up the average cost for insurance people in the USA pay, and he added up the average cost of college. The amount of money we spent on the war(9/11) in those four years was enough to give free health care and college(for those of college age) to every person in the USA for 10 years.

That didn't include the cost of long term care for our wounded vets or the other hundreds of billions in budgeted costs.

I say we just make education free, give everyone health care and stop having a war. It would actually save us money immediately and eventually save us more long term money because of less health care overhead and better jobs.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943276)

I don't know where you got 3 trillion but both wars combined have so far cost just over 1 trillion, for the whole 10 years we have been there. So just one Fed student loan program costs the same, nevermind free tuition for all or healthcare. Just medicare was over $600 billion in 2008, that's 6 times both wars. Apparently your poli science teacher didn't understand math at all.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936868)

All of new england and most of the east coast has 15 available if they want it, there's just no need or want for it. I live in central Maine and it's available here. 3mbit already streams dvd quality anyway. When the cost per household for the midwest is over $200,000 it's cheaper to build a new house than to wire them up. 4G will blanket most of the US soon enough, so why waste the money.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#36939546)

You seriously have no idea about the technical aspects of this do you. YOU may not see a need or want for it as you only seem to need Fox News and affiliated blogging sites but I see a serious need beyond my current capacity.

I am CONTINUOUSLY using over 5Mbps in streaming services and downloads already and I regularly fill my 10Mbps cap and then I don't even have kids that use computers yet. I pay over $150 for this privilege, I can upgrade to a 15Mbps burst for another $50 but that is it before I need to go to a business level for roughly double that price tag.

Companies in my area doing research, downloading large data sets need serious bandwidth beyond the 20-30Mbps available to them. 100Mbps is a minimum in this new world and having it available at the current rates ($100/month) would simply make it possible for more applications to be developed more economically.

4G as currently implemented in the US is a joke. The EU has faster 3G than the fastest 4G. We have it available here too (Clearwire) but 1Mbps tops and 300ms ping time is unacceptable and as soon as you move beyond the city limits it becomes unavailable.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943272)

Well maybe if the state you are in allowed Time Warner to lay down some copper and fiber you too would be getting 15mbit for less than $40/month.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36957854)

You seriously have no idea about the technical aspects of this do you. YOU may not see a need or want for it as you only seem to need Fox News and affiliated blogging sites but I see a serious need beyond my current capacity.

I am CONTINUOUSLY using over 5Mbps in streaming services and downloads already and I regularly fill my 10Mbps cap and then I don't even have kids that use computers yet. I pay over $150 for this privilege, I can upgrade to a 15Mbps burst for another $50 but that is it before I need to go to a business level for roughly double that price tag.

Look at how scared guruevi is that he won't be able to stream all his porn in Blu-Ray quickly enough.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

supercrisp (936036) | more than 2 years ago | (#36938340)

I can think of many uses that need high speed networking. And most of them are for businesses that might be enticed into a local economy. And of course there's the stated intention of research. So part of these projects is examining what people can come up with in a community if they're given high-speed networking. Sometimes you have to think outside the basement.

Re:I have a better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935560)

No. I am involved in a 'Broadband Across America' project and while is is serving the function of spewing gobernment dollars around the area, there really is no point. Christ the red tape we must cut through... I know the money is there but damn, the paperwork.

I have an even better idea. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935604)

How about we figure out how to start making things again, instead of being a purely information and service society and outsourcing to China for our hard goods? What good is a high speed wire if there is no one who has an income to purchase it?

Re:I have an even better idea. (1)

chill (34294) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935722)

We know how to make them now, it is just cheaper to outsource the low-skill labor necessary. No, people as a whole will not pay the major extra costs associated with "Made in America" for mass produced goods.

Fantasize all you want about bringing mass manufacturing back to the United States, but it is gone for good. It is time to face reality. The future of America is in creativity and brains, not low-skilled labor.

If you can do your job with a pair of headphones on, listening to music and not thinking about your work -- your job is going away. If you aren't using your brain for the main part of your job, it is going away or will be so low-paying no one wants it.

Labor that has to be performed locally, such as construction or transportation, will eventually be replaced by robots and automated labor systems.

Re:I have an even better idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935770)

Speaking of fantasizing... Delusional, much?

Umm, no (2)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935854)

"bringing mass manufacturing back to the United States, but it is gone for good."

Do you study history AT ALL? Do you see the trend in the dollar's value? Do I need to continue?

Better yet, why not visit an American car dealership and examine the merchandise.

Re:Umm, no (1)

chill (34294) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935932)

The American automotive industry is slowly but inexorably moving towards increased automation through robotics. The number of human workers per automobile has done nothing but decline in recent decades.

I study history quite a bit. Feel free to look at the British Pound for a good example of where the US Dollar is likely to head.

The Dollar will not sink low enough to make US labor competitive for mass market goods. Even in a scenario of hyper-inflation, it won't happen. Look at how Germany ended up after the hyper-inflation of the Wiemar Republic. (Hint: Hyper-inflation only lasts for a very brief time and if the country itself is basically sound -- and the U.S. is -- it'll bounce back quickly.)

You really are delusional. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935866)

You really think that the "future" of this country is a population who are all IP creators? We don't even have enough jobs for 20% the existing ones, much less the remainder, and then the REST of the population.

Step away from the video game, you don't live in the real world.

Re:I have an even better idea. (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936096)

We DO make billions of dollars of hard goods. We DON'T need vast amounts of unskilled laborers to do that.

The idea that most of any population should have good jobs is historically absurd. Americans have been so conditioned by the Bubble Economy they forget bubbles burst and take years to be replaced with different bubbles.

I spent the good times preparing for the inevitable bad times. This isn't the last Recession or Depression, so don't dare take security for granted even after things improve.

Re:I have an even better idea. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936150)

The idea that most of any population should have good jobs is historically absurd

There are those who would say that the plan is to reduce the population considerably... And then the above goal becomes achievable.

It will (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935862)

Creating more prosperity and a bigger tax base WILL lower the tuition.

Re:It will (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936304)

the teabagger panacea... one has nothing to do with the other, btw. go lick my laffer-curve.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

supercrisp (936036) | more than 2 years ago | (#36938326)

Lower tuition is a great idea. But how do you manage that when, for the last thirty years, enrollments have increased and funding has dropped from state, federal, and private sources? Higher enrollment isn't the only expense, though it's a big one because it tends to mean new buildings too. Since the 80s schools have had to spend more and more on staff and infrastructure for the information technology boom. Then add to that the things that universities have done to themselves. Some examples of that: the trend toward hiring lots and lots of expensive administrators; courting students with all sorts of expensive frills like free cable in the dorms and protection money paid to the RIAA and MPAA to keep students from being Jammie Thomased. Of course, anyone who likes the parent post probably doesn't care much about the value of research (oh the irony of the 'net user being a libertarian), so we could just eliminate all that.

Re:I have a better idea. (1)

level_headed_midwest (888889) | more than 2 years ago | (#36941674)

No kidding, MU's tuition has gotten seriously high as of late. I guess all of those fake trees in the rec center were much more expensive than I thought...

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935408)

"They hope to quickly build high-speed broadband networks in communities with low unemployment and heavy demand for such services."

Finally, someone willing to make actual progress instead of being held back by being an all inclusive club...

Not in Wiscsonsin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935464)

One only knows given the current environment in the gov's office and with AT&T writing the legislation that such an idea is not possible here.

Needed (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935490)

This is needed more than most people think. In a lot of college towns, ISPs are terrible and in some of the smaller towns there isn't any 3G to speak of. And the same problem persists even in medium-sized state schools which have a moderately to large sized computer science program.

For business only? (1)

schwnj (990042) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935552)

I was initially excited by this as I thought I might be able to get in on it -- however, this looks to be more along the lines of a business partnership (i.e., businesses can pay for the fiber, and the universities will provide the net access.

Re:For business only? (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936268)

My local ISP, cruzio.com, has a similar deal with UC Santa Cruz. It has worked nicely as our DSL speeds are tripling. Cruzio is also expanding the fiber link around the Monterey Bay.

Just a thought for the meager and eager... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935588)

I find it pretty hilarious that Aspen Group find it necessary to demand some type of initiative for the rich and powerful. Fucking assholes up there in the rich hills of Colorado should seriously consider the lower to middle class instead of their rich friends funding their parties (Google for what they do when they get together, its elitism at a level of terrorism to the environment up there).

Re:Just a thought for the meager and eager... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36935762)

Did you read the article before your knee jerked?

List of Members (3, Informative)

chazchaz101 (871891) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935598)

From: http://www.gig-u.org/ [gig-u.org]
  • Arizona State University
  • Case Western Reserve University
  • Colorado State University
  • Duke University
  • George Mason University
  • Howard University
  • Indiana University
  • Michigan State University
  • North Carolina State University
  • Penn State University
  • University of Alaska
  • University of Chicago
  • University of Florida
  • University of Hawaii
  • University of Illinois
  • University of Kentucky
  • University of Louisville
  • University of Maryland
  • University of Michigan
  • University of Missouri
  • University of Montana
  • University of New Mexico
  • University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
  • University of South Florida
  • University of Virginia
  • University of Washington
  • Virginia Tech
  • Wake Forest University
  • West Virginia University

Re:List of Members (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36941292)

The irony of Internet 2 -- http://atlas.grnoc.iu.edu/atlas.cgi?map_name=Internet2%20IP%20Layer

Educating our global economy and competitors seems to be a good thing. Great. I love globalization as long as it does not hurt America to our own demise. Actually, I believe America is passe. I am a Republican and Al Gore did not create the Internet. Duh! ARPANET rules. So the U's in University are stepping out. God Damn Right! They are tired of BS US government, but they can do something to be progressive within the bubble.

Well - It all seems to be working.

Let us be clear. The problem I have is that the US is a big geographic land based country! Japan, small country. Ala, the challenge to move from copper to fiber was easy for them, not us. GE/ Corning / Williams put in some 33,000 miles of fiber a while back across with DOT right away, gave two cores to our government, kept one core for themselves, Remember? on our highways was mass digging on the road side, 3 big plastic tubes and cores were buried without being lit or should I say kept dark.

For me, all I say is this - if there is a problem in the US, we should divert Foreign Policy funding at all levels; military, food, water, shelter, humanitarian, et al. --- back to Domestic Policy Funding. How can we help others if we cannot help ourselves first.

Duh! It's in the Bible - you idiots in Congress and President Obama. Get a real job and tell me again how much your rhetoric means when you need to really work, like turn a wrench, build a fence, dig a ditch you loathing hypocrites of the American Dream.

-signed - a real American and US Veteran; answer the question you are asked and stop skating around the truth.

Internet2 rationale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36944260)

That's what I thought - that this was about more universities to get on the Internet2 network. The speeds being offered are 100GiB/s That's some 100 times faster than your normal LAN connections, but it's being offered on a WAN. The reason they want it is that when they're studying high performance computing, it includes distributed computing, and going by Amdahl's law about the slowest part of a system being the bottleneck, they want to speed this up so that it's no slower than, say the PCI bus. Given that there will be a lot of traffic on such a network when so many nodes would share it, the tendency would be to maximize it, so that nobody can claim that the network is a bottleneck, and that any idle CPU on the network can be used to do jobs requested from another node on it.

If that's what's involved, the motivation simply is all these universities wanting to enable the lab aspect of their high performance computing research. But for this sort of rates, seems to me like they'd all need dedicated fiber. But Internet2 does need to get on IPv6 fast, or the next thing they'll be complaining about will be IPv4 address exhaustion.

I agree w/ you - foreign policy expenses - particularly maintaining embassies in unfriendly countries, as well as foreign aid - should all end (despite claims from some that they are only a minuscule part of the budget) Not only for the reasons you mentioned, but also b'cos a lot of this goes to downright hostile countries like Pakistan and Egypt, and ends up w/ people who hate the West anyway. So end it, and just use it first to cover the deficit/reduce the debt, and then on things like these.

Honestly, I think the Universities themselves, or at best, the states/localities ought to be spending this money, and not the dept of education.

super high speed connections (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935674)

With super low use caps..

Re:super high speed connections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36937170)

wwwyzzerdd: Of course! Unlimited hours over an extremely limited amount of time!

Re:super high speed connections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36938190)

Buffering...

Gig 'Em (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935948)

Texas A&M's version uses barbed wire.

Re:Gig 'Em (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936406)

As long as it also tells U of Texas where to stick it, you're alright in my book.

(seriously, fuck those guys)

Low unemployment? What? (4, Insightful)

IceFoot (256699) | more than 2 years ago | (#36935986)

"in communities with low unemployment"

What the heck does low unemployment have to do with super high speed access?

Re:Low unemployment? What? (3, Interesting)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936110)

Those communities can pay for it and have valid uses for it such as telecommuting.

There is little return in providing broadband for the ghetto or trailer park. They already have television.

Re:Low unemployment? What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36942804)

If you are unemployed you've got lots of time to surf the internet. Why waste bandwidth on people who won't have time to use it.

what? (1)

jsprenkle (2009592) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936018)

>They hope to quickly build high-speed broadband networks in communities with low unemployment and heavy demand for such services So they're getting into the telecom business? And they expect the people they will compete with to build it for them? I smell agenda... uh uh... money... uh uh... opportunity! Yeah! That's it.

Hopefully Different (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936092)

Hopefully it won't be horribly overtaxed, logged, tracked, and badly structured like most campus internet services. I actually trust the telcos more than I do universities when it comes to running a proper network.

Re:Hopefully Different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943814)

Too right you are.
My college internet sucks.

I got one of the Compy Sci teachers to explain it once...
They base priority by time.
So new connections get the most priority.
Meaning after fifteen minutes, your download is down from ~1MB/s to 15KB/s...

Unfortunately, this has the side effect of pretty much optimizing the network for bittorrent traffic.
Think normal speeds of around ~1.3MB/s. Thats higher than you could ever achieve with normal web browsing or downloading.

That's the craziest thing I've ever read (2)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936266)

Universities don't even make movies, why should they need sufficient bandwidth to seed?

High-Speed Networks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936360)

It can be done, just look whats going on in the Uk and around the rest of the world when it comes to High-Speed Networks, America is years behind the rest of the world when it comes to IT (Information Technology) Americans also need to know there are other free operating systems that faster, stable, and secure, that doesn't crash, freeze up or gets windows viruses. I'm not talking about Mac OS/x here, Both windows and Mac are proprietary operating systems both are a wast of time

Do a Google search for FLOSS (Free Linux Open Source Software) Visit Distrowatch dot com there you will find the latest free July 2011 distribution

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936490)

"They hope to quickly build high-speed broadband networks in communities with low unemployment and heavy demand for such services."

LOL, for a second there, I thought they were going to pull some communist shit, like giving basic broadband to people who have none.

Think about it thought... (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 2 years ago | (#36936608)

Where do you find the best prices on stuff? Online, not in the store.. the in store prices are higher (except Circuit City before they closed up.. the last year or so they had the same price in all stores and on the web).

How are a lot of services done now? Online. The yellow pages here no long publish people's phone numbers (mostly because of people switching numbers, moving, and the biggest.. cell phones). So if I want to find someone's number now, it's either 611 or (local exchange + 5252 or whatever) if people even know/remember about those options anymore.. otherwise it's check online to see if they have a land line and if it's listed.

Finding business? Yes, you can look in the "phone book" if you have one or haven't lost it, but again online.

Online classes are cheaper and you can do at your own pace, good for single parents or those who work a full time job or more.

Now could they use standard, cheap DSL to do all this? Yes, but I think by the Universities helping out the local ISP's by providing the higher speeds, it's more of an incentive to expand into these areas and help customers who normally couldn't afford it

Took them long enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36936748)

Indonesia universities already got their own high-speed data networks since 2006
http://inherent-dikti.net/ [inherent-dikti.net]

Internet in Internet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36937220)

Internet in Internet for more money from customers.

What happened to Internet2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36937926)

Seriously. What became of that?

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  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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