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Galaxy Tab 10.1 Vs. iPad 2 Review

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the head-to-head dept.

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DeviceGuru writes "DeviceGuru's 10-inch tablet smackdown pits Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 against Apple's iPad 2. At price parity the iPad 2 is probably a better bet for the average user since it's a more stable, near-perfect device with a rich assortment of apps for nearly every possible function you'd like to perform on a tablet, reasons the post. However, with the Samsung tablet's cost of goods rumored to be around $215 versus $260 for the iPad 2 for comparable models, Samsung could drop its 10-inch tablet's price to $425 and pose a serious challenge to Apple's device. But will they...?"

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Better Value (3, Interesting)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941202)

If you can go on Newegg you can already get a 7 inch dual-core tablet for $300. Or you could get the Transformer for $400. Pretty soon Archos will release their own 10 inch dual core versions for sub $400. Heck the Viewsonic G Tablet has been out since last year for $300. Competitors will drive down the price of these tablets until they've pushed margins so low we finally get sub $300 10 inch tablets. Until then however I think the iPad 2 is just better bang for the buck.

Re:Better Value (4, Insightful)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941262)

I think it's wise to focus purely on the specs. WARNING CAR ANALOGY: It's like having powerful car but the seat is milk crate and the steering wheel is made of unpolished metal rods welded into a square. Sure, it's fast but the ergonomics are so awful that who would really want to use it? Most of the cheaper tablets out there suffer from the same problem.

Re:Better Value (4, Interesting)

KreAture (105311) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941338)

That is exactly how I feel the ipad is. Polished on the outside, secret on the inside and I am not allowed to peek inside nor add any update not approved by the manufacturer and without paying the manufacturer a piece of the update-price.
Oh, and the ipad comes without a passanger-seat and lighter-plug meaning if someone wants a ride, they have to take my seat, and I can't plug in anything.

Re:Better Value (3, Insightful)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941582)

This is not a personal attack so please don't take it as such. I understand that you want to play with the engine and stuff behind the dash board but that means you are not the target audience for iDevice products. Android is a better choice for you. My comment was aimed at the other 90% of the populations that do not want to tinker with the stuff behind the dashboard. Would you not agree that the iPad is a better choice for those who do not wish to tinker? If not please explain why.

Re:Better Value (3, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941620)

Could you please explain to me what on my Xoom requires "tinkering"? It works pretty freaking well as far as I can see. I have had plenty of time with iPads and I don't see how they are easier to operate than an Android tablet with Honeycomb.

Re:Better Value (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941696)

I have had plenty of time with iPads and I don't see how they are easier to operate than an Android tablet with Honeycomb.

That's because they look/feel a lot like iPads.

Re:Better Value (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941712)

Nothing on the Xoom requires tinkering. But the point is that if you don't want to do the tinkering, the iPad is the better device.

Re:Better Value (3, Funny)

JorDan Clock (664877) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941758)

Could you please explain to me what on my Xoom requires "tinkering"?

The price.

Or jailbreak it (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941728)

secret on the inside and I am not allowed to peek inside

Sure you are. Jailbreak it. If you have any desire to WANT to see the inside, it's easy to do.

Apple has built a tablet that is safe for normal users and perfectly open for technical users.

Re:Better Value (3, Interesting)

zoffdino (848658) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941284)

My manager bought the Viewsonic G Tablet the same time I bought my iPad 2. His reasoning was that the G Tablet has the same hardware, hackable to run Honeycomb but at half the price of the iPad. He tried to sell it 2 weeks later for a $50 discount and no buyer as of yet (3+ months). It really scared me about the things that the G can't do: Skype video call, Netflix streaming, dearth of apps. At least Angry Birds was good. Even if Samsung is willing to take a dive and have a $75 price advantage over the iPad, the iPad still has better name recognition, and more apps. All the Android manufacturers keep pushing out new hardware, but software is what makes the consumers want them. Has any of them push for more indie dev other than Google?

Re:Better Value (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941326)

The G Tablet runs the same android as most other tablets. It's problem is the shitty screen that makes it unusable, and it came out running Android 2.2, so you had to root and install the market before it was usable.

Re:Better Value (-1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941352)

You keep saying "dual core" like that's all that matters. Do you think anyone ever walks into a Best Buy and asks, "is this tablet dual core"? Not very often.

Dual core (and other tech specs) on matter in as much as they impact the overall user experience. Even a quad-core Android tablet can't match the iPad. It's interesting that reviews have begun to give up trying to act like Android and iPads are comparable consumer options (market numbers for over a year now have disproven that), the lack of Flash has proven to be a non-issue, and only a handful of nerds care about the "lock-in" of the App Store.

So now it's down to price. It's an admission of defeat on the part of supporting Android. "Well, no one would actually choose an Android tablet over an iPad 2 at the same price, but some people will make do if the high-end Android tablets manage to drop the prices". Which is another assumption that is contradicted by reality and won't be able to hold up for long. Do you think that if Samsung and the rest could sell more tablets by lowering prices far below the iPad, that they wouldn't have done so already?

The Android tablet market is DOA. It's going to take more than making an iPad clone, even at $100 less than current iPad prices, for Android to make a dent in this market. The conclusion is hard to ignore, people just don't really want Android itself. Not in significant numbers.

Re:Better Value (1, Flamebait)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941388)

Stevie J, is that you?

Re:Better Value (0)

wzinc (612701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941452)

Nope, sounds like they represent the average consumer...

Re:Better Value (2)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941554)

I think you don't give consumers enough credit. Yeah, there are a lot that run out and buy an iPad cause it's the cool new must-have tech gadget that they'll use for a month and then toss on the shelf (and then only pull out when friends come over or for social gatherings -- gotta keep up the "I'm cool" image). Then there are those that actually do pay attention to specs and features. Cause if that weren't the case every laptop sold would be an atom-based netbook.

Re:Better Value (1)

wootest (694923) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941584)

You're right, buying a tablet because it's a cool new must-have tech gadget is idiotic. Buying a tablet because it has a dual-core processor makes much more sense!

Re:Better Value (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941628)

No, I think it's clear that you're the one not giving consumers enough credit. They are choosing, in overwhelming numbers, the tablet that they actually want. You're the condescending prick who is saying they are just mindless drones buying iPads for social status, right down to explaining why iPads are so visible everywhere as some sort of "conspicuous consumption" type display.

Specs are absolutely meaningless except in as much as they effect your experience with the product.

Then there are those that actually do pay attention to specs and features. Cause if that weren't the case every laptop sold would be an atom-based netbook.

How so? Nobody goes, "oh an Atom processor? That's an in-order, dual core 32-bit CPU, presently topping out at 1.X GHz..." They just know (or are advised) that netbooks are dumpy notebooks and buy accordingly. And if they buy poorly, their *experience* is affected. Which is what I pointed out in my first post. It's not the specs themselves that matter, it's the user experience those specs lead to.

So a dual core Android tablet doesn't mean experience parity with the iPad. All it means is that the Android tablet has a dual core processor, and is *probably* better than a single core Android tablet.

And, like I said, few people ever walk up and ask if a specific tablet is dual core or not. All they care about is how well it works. And for that, the iPad is head and shoulders above the "competition".

And if you gave consumers as much credit as you say you do, you'd understand that.

Re:Better Value (1)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941754)

I'm sorry, did I insult your fruit-based sensitivities? Cause you seem pretty ornery. Or do you just not like people dissing the glory of all things Apple?

And are you sure you read the article here, cause I don't recall the part about the iPad being "head and shoulders above the competition". I'm pretty sure it said they were just about equal, and which you should get depends upon whether you prefer Apple's closed-space environment or Android's open one. I guess you must have been thinking about that Mac Life article you read last year.

I think most people know that a dual-core unit will provide better performance than a single-core unit, so no, it's not an usual question when comparing devices. It's actually a SMART question to ask. Unless they're buying it for show, and then they wouldn't care if it was powered by calculator guts. I know, I know, Apple fanatics don't ask those kinds of silly questions, they just want the device with the highest number. Cause what would their family think of them if they still had last year's model?!?!?

Re:Better Value (1)

wzinc (612701) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941654)

I'm an Android developer because my job requires it, but I wouldn't buy an Android device. When it comes to my personal phone, I'm just a user, and users would much rather have an app or device with five working features than one with fifty buggy features. I like the mobile space because, unless I finally start developing for iOS, I get to approach it as an ordinary user.

Only things that matter: (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941204)

Here's my comparison:

Supports Entire Web: Galaxy Tab
Supports Custom Applications: Galaxy Tab
Allows User Customization: Galaxy Tab

So, based on those three metrics, the only three that are important, we have a clear winner: the only tablet that meets those three essentials.

End of story.

Re:Only things that matter: (0)

HighNumber (1448795) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941230)

I think you really mean: - Lets you download slow, bandwidth intensive, battery-sucky ads: Galaxy Tab - Supports Custom Applications: both - Lets Mom and Dad f*ck up their tablet: Galaxy Tab So yes, we have a clear winner...

Re:Only things that matter: (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941380)

Running custom applications on an iPad 2 requires $649 for a Mac mini and $99 per year for a developer certificate.

Re:Only things that matter: (1)

HighNumber (1448795) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941434)

"Custom" implies someone somewhere has a machine that can build the custom software.

And besides, that's a great way of justifying getting a 27" iMac... you want to start developing iOS apps :)

Alternatively (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941548)

that's a great way of justifying getting a 27" iMac... you want to start developing iOS apps :)

As opposed to the usual reason, ie you've had a lobotomy?

Or the computer you already own (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941764)

Running custom applications on an iPad 2 requires $649 for a Mac mini and $99 per year for a developer certificate.

Have you been to a technical conference lately? The requirement for a Mac to develop on seems to be a non-issue for more technical people that I have seen, who mostly have Mac laptops...

If you were foolish enough to not consider which laptop brand would allow you to enable development on an iPad/iPhone, well then you better think harder next time at the FULL capabilities of the system you are buying.

Re:Only things that matter: (3, Informative)

keytohwy (975131) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941236)

Except actual users don't, you know, give a shit about Flash. http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/08/taking-the-pain-out-of-tablet-typing/?partner=yahootix [forbes.com] From the article: The study, which polled 1,011 U.S. tablet users in June, found that typing large documents (more than 500 words) was the chief frustration among respondents, netting a 44% response. Other tablet features were also singled out as irritations, but less vehemently. Battery life, for instance, got a 36% response while “limited connectivity” earned 23%, “not enough apps available” got 19% and “no flash” 3%.

Re:Only things that matter: (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941276)

Here's my comparison:

Supports Entire Web: Galaxy Tab
Supports Custom Applications: Galaxy Tab
Allows User Customization: Galaxy Tab

So, based on those three metrics, the only three that are important, we have a clear winner: the only tablet that meets those three essentials.

End of story.

How adorable. You have found a "clear winner". Too bad for your theory that the iPad 2 sells more units in 2 weeks than the Tab sells in an entire year.

Re:Only things that matter: (5, Funny)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941332)

If units sold means a better product then Britney Spears is one of the best musicians in the world.

Re:Only things that matter: (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941652)

The claim was "clear winner", not best product (which, as you pointed out, is a different topic, and open to interpretation as to what "best product" even means).

Sometimes the "clear winner" and the "best product" (in terms of being the superior product, ignoring things like price) are the same (iPad 2), and sometimes they aren't (high end SLR camera vs point and shoot model).

Re:Only things that matter: (1)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941398)

And Harry Potter and Transformers are the highest grossing movies of the year. Clearly they must be the best movies EVAH, right? Oh wait...

Re:Only things that matter: (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941636)

No, but they'd be the "clear winners", which is what was claimed.

Flash isn't part of HTML (0)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941310)

Flash is a web extension, it's not an open standard. It's not part of any HTML specification. So the "whole of the web" is a totally misleading way of putting it.

If it was an open web standard it would be supported, but it's a proprietary closed source standard from Adobe.

I personally don't care about flash and I don't want the web being under the control of Adobe, Microsoft or anyone else.

Re:Flash isn't part of HTML (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941412)

Actually, for most purposes, it is an open standard. You can't extend it, but the file format is publicly available, and there are plenty of 3rd party authoring and playback tools. You can produce and consume Flash content without using any Adobe software, legally. The only part that can't be open-sourced is the H.264 codec, due to licensing issues (Microsoft, Sony and Apple won't allow it - and if you play back any H.264 videos, you're already "under the control" of those).

Open Screen Project (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941438)

[SWF is] a proprietary closed source standard from Adobe.

Used to be until two and a half years ago [wikipedia.org] . In February 2009, Adobe published the SWF specification under a license that does not prohibit third-party SWF players. Flash Player remains proprietary software, but the spec license change has allowed for Gnash [wikipedia.org] , Gordon [slashdot.org] , and Smokescreen [slashdot.org] .

Re:Open Screen Project (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941768)

Used to be until two and a half years ago [wikipedia.org]. In February 2009, Adobe published the SWF specification under a license that does not prohibit third-party SWF players. Flash Player remains proprietary software, but the spec license change has allowed for Gnash [wikipedia.org], Gordon [slashdot.org], and Smokescreen [slashdot.org].

That argument seems to be sort of a smokescreen to me (no pun intended). None of those projects can play all Flash content. The most mature of the three, Gnash claims to support "most" Flash v7 and "some" Flash v8 and 9. Flash is on Version 10. As long as the only way to reliably play Flash content is to install the Adobe product, then Flash remains "closed" as a practical matter. Same is true of Microsoft's XML-based Office file formats; you can read the specs, but how many open source projects can reliably read/write .docx files? I would say none.

Re:Only things that matter: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941558)

Here is a mathematical proof that your first condition is wrong.

None of the demos on this page( http://www.apple.com/html5/ ) will run on the Galaxy Tab. Therefore the Galaxy Tab does not support the entire web.

QED

Re:Only things that matter: (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941588)

For support entire web: neither there are plenty of sites a galaxy cannot access.
You can easily and cheaply develop custom applications for the ipad
For user customization what kind of customization? There are plenty of things on the ipad that can be customized.

As for those items mattering not at all. The last two items are so low on the list of what real users want to do it. As for visiting all sites on the internet, since neither devices can do it, that is not a major item. Most major sites have pages setup for theses mobile devices so you can get to the data, also the really big and important sites have applications for accessing data they produce.

Re:Only things that matter: (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941680)

For support entire web: neither there are plenty of sites a galaxy cannot access.

I have Firefox installed on my Xoom with the desktop UA string. What site can I not access?

You can easily and cheaply develop custom applications for the ipad

If you already have a Mac, sure. Otherwise, you will need to buy one to the tune of at least 7-8 hundred dollars, then pay the 99 dollar iTunes fee. For Android, you just download eclipse and the Android sdk for free on whatever computer you have at hand whether it has Windows, Linux or OSX on it. Then when you want to load your app on your device, you pay nothing.

For user customization what kind of customization?

Widgets? Alternative launchers? Themes? And that's before you root it.

The last two items are so low on the list of what real users want to do it.

Users don't like widgets? News to me as a person that administers a fleet of Iconia A500's. Also, in a corporate environment, my boss cares a whole lot on how easily and cheaply I can develop for our tablets.

Re:Only things that matter: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941742)

I have Firefox installed on my Xoom with the desktop UA string. What site can I not access?

http://www.apple.com/html5/

Widgets? Alternative launchers? Themes? And that's before you root it.

MySpace was completely customizable too. Look how that turned out.

Users don't like widgets?

No! Not they don't.

Galaxy Tab is the discerning user's choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941226)

TFA: "if you want greater control over your tablet environment, more openness to non-Apple standards (such as Adobe Flash), or greater ability to adapt to new technologies and standards as the emerge, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 may be a better bet. "

Greater ability to adapt... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941256)

I disagree the Android tablet has a greater ability to adapt. Most standards that would emerge would be well supported by a very robust application space, sooner than any Android tablet. You want a cloud file management app? Here's 20 on an iPad.

Re:Greater ability to adapt... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941370)

It also leaves unclear what "new technologies and standards" they are referring to. This is really just a vague claim meant to provide some sort of "balance" in the review.

Re:Galaxy Tab is the discerning user's choice (1, Interesting)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941344)

Rubbish, the support period from Apple is longer than from Samsung. Apple supports 2-3 years, the industry average is 1-2 years, usually 12 months.

Flash is a non-Apple standard? it's not even a standard. A standard implies that a specification or protocol is available to 3rd parties which is incorrect. It's closed and proprietary, I find it laughable that people who are normally advocating openness think such proprietary closed source technology is a good thing?

Re:Galaxy Tab is the discerning user's choice (1)

the_brobdingnagian (917699) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941686)

I absolutely hate Flash for several reasons, but do you mean these specifications are not open? http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf.html [adobe.com]

Re:Galaxy Tab is the discerning user's choice (1)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941714)

A standard implies that a specification or protocol is available to 3rd parties which is incorrect.

I still wouldn't necessarily call it a standard, but your assertion that there are no specifications available to 3rd parties is wrong.

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/swf/pdf/swf_file_format_spec_v10.pdf [adobe.com]

And if they do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941234)

will anyone care?

Executive summary (2, Insightful)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941244)

If you're the kind that likes to do a lot of handwaving about openness while boring all your friends and have a 'DIY attitude' (read: lots of free time), buy the Galaxy Tab. Everyone else, stay away until they either become significantly cheaper than the iPad or Android has caught up in marketshare and polish (which, conveniently, is always 6 months from now.)

Re:Executive summary (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941260)

Everyone else, stay away until they either become significantly cheaper than the iPad or Android has caught up in marketshare and polish (which, conveniently, is always 6 months from now.)

Or you could wait 5 years and get holographic storage.

Re:Executive summary (0)

ZankerH (1401751) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941324)

Android has caught up and has, in fact, overtaken iOS on the smartphone in both polish and market share some time ago. You can't expect them to do it within a year of Apple magicking out a new category of devices.

Re:Executive summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941422)

I don't agree with that entirely. I still find iOS better than all the Android phones I've looked at overall in terms of polish. With regards market share Apple is still the largest vendor (just), though yes there are more Android phones the iPhones, for obvious reasons. Personally I'm happy to pay the premium for the Apple phone experience, but each to their own. In any event it seems to take Google around 3 years to get a passable clone of an Apple device. On that basis if I was in the market for a tablet I'd but an Ipad 2 now, or an Ipad 3 next year. After that Android might be a reasonable alternative.

Re:Executive summary (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941482)

I own an iPad and an htc evo 3d. I find just about everything on my phone to be more polished than iOS; slicker UI, much more intuitive and less frustrating messaging system (seriously, pop ups? WTF?!). The edge that I used to give to iOS was that apps didn't crash often, while on my old phone, the original evo, they crashed all of the time. This is no longer the case.

Re:Executive summary (0)

gutnor (872759) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941506)

They have caught up in market share. The polish vary greatly based on the handset and manufacturer. The best of Android is better or similar to the iPhone in every aspect. The rest of Android phones (selling today) ... no so much. That is the same as Windows vs Mac.

Re:Executive summary (4, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941508)

It's one or the other - if you want to claim they have the polish *and* and marketshare, then you are dreaming.

There are some really awesome Android handsets that are more than a match for the iPhone. These don't make up the majority of the Android market share though - that distinction belongs to the cheaper "built to a budget" phones that can also run Android. I've seen several of these handsets too (and used them) and they are nowhere near the polish of an iPhone (or their much better Android cousins).

So, it is more accurate to say "Android has swelled its marketshare by going after part of the market that Apple has no interest in - cheap, crappy smartphones - while also having some genuine iPhone equivalents". You can't simply say that have "overtaken iPhones in marketshare and polish".

There are some features of Android that I'd love to have on iOS, and funnily enough, they weren't features that the cheap Android phones I've used have had on them either. Other than that, by far the biggest downer on the cheap ones is the quality of the screen and the quality of the touch response.

Of course manufacturers can make something equivalent to the iPad 2 "within a year" - they just can't make it cheaper than Apple, which has been the rub. Everyone automatically assumed that Apple was slapping a giant markup on the iPad and making hay while the sun shined. The number of "just you wait for the Android tablets at half the price with better features! any day now! any day! next month!" posts that we saw on slashdot and other sites during the iPad 1's unchallenged reign was remarkable. The closest we really got was the Xoom, which, funnily enough, cost pretty much the same as the iPad. What they were hoping for was to be able to get some sales going because the Xoom was better than the iPad 1, but Apple went ahead and one-upped them and released the iPad 2 at the same time and for the same price as the first one and the Xoom is dead in the water. It didn;t help that they rushed it to market too quickly because of the impending iPad 2 and shipped it with some of the much lauded "essential missing features" of the iPad not working at all (SD reader, Flash, usb).

Re:Executive summary (4, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941570)

These don't make up the majority of the Android market share though

Can you cite that? The only lists I can find of top-selling Android phones are almost completely dominated by the "super phones", i.e., Evo 4G, Motorola Droid, Galaxy S. The crap Android phones seem to be far outsold by the good ones. Which kind of blows a hole all through your long-winded theory here.

Re:Executive summary (1, Troll)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941642)

I have no cite, only my personal experience. Perhaps I just know some very cheap people but I have only run into two people with awesome Android phones, and about 10 or 15 people with really poor ones. Three of those have said they hate it and will be switching to a new phone as soon as possible. One of those has and got an iPhone 4, the other two are still in contract and are considering more expensive Android phones since they like the OS.

I always ask to try out friends' phones if the opportunity arises for these very discussions, so I can get a feel for exactly what is going on (I can hardly be critical of something in detail that I have not personally tried, nor can I see the shortcomings of my own phone if I don't see what else is available).

The cheap Android phones seem to be outselling their expensive cousins because of that reason: people want a smartphone since they have seen this whole "iPhone thing" and then balk at the price, then see what look to be equivalent smartphones for much less, only to be disappointed. They are not the sort of people looking at the really nice android phones that match the iPhone. Those who buy those tend to be the very specific clued in consumer who has decided that what the iPhone offers is not for them.

Re:Executive summary (4, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941718)

I have no cite

That's what I thought. Here's Amazon's best seller list in post-paid cell phones. [amazon.com] Notice the list is dominated by high-end Android handsets. Here's an article from a while back showing the same thing [cnn.com] .

Your personal experience means squat and it would be great (and make for a more honest dialog) if you wouldn't pretend like it does.

Re:Executive summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941512)

No they haven't. if you are going to compare platforms then don't exclude non-iPhone devices running iOS. You just sound like an asshat when you do that.

Re:Executive summary (0)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941358)

Or if you refuse to indoctrinate yourself into the Cult of Apple.

Re:Executive summary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941618)

Or if you are indoctrinated into the Cult of Google.

Re:Executive summary (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941750)

Or if you refuse to indoctrinate yourself into the Cult of Apple.

Heh. The righteous shalt chooseth Google.

Exactly. (3, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941372)

(which, conveniently, is always 6 months from now.)

As someone who works in the open source world, I gotta say that's not only spot on, but applies to almost all open source software. You're trading ease of use for configurability and openness, at the cost of glitches and big, empty promises.

Re:Exactly. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941520)

Bull-fucking-shit.

I am using a Thinkpad R60 right now with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Everything works perfectly. All of the hardware works. When I close the lid, it immediately goes into standby. When I open it, it immediately comes out. Wireless, bluetooth, everything flawless. The software I run has yet to crash one single time. Firefox runs perfectly. Chromium-browser runs perfectly, all of the cli apps (ssh, vi, etc.) run perfectly. Networking, i.e., Samba, apache, ssh server, run perfectly. There is nothing even remotely glitchy at all. It's like an appliance. I don't know what shit you are using, maybe you wrote it yourself but the open source software I use is fantastic.

Re:Exactly. (4, Funny)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941760)

(which, conveniently, is always 6 months from now.)

As someone who works in the open source world, I gotta say that's not only spot on, but applies to almost all open source software. You're trading ease of use for configurability and openness, at the cost of glitches and big, empty promises.

Yeah, that's why I'm still running Internet Explorer. Firefox and Webkit (among the most popular and widely distributed of open source software) may have configurability and openness, but they'll never match Internet Explorer for its ease of use, lack of glitches and fulfilled promises.

Re:Executive summary (3, Insightful)

gutnor (872759) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941410)

Executive summary: unlike the rest of the iPad competitor, the Galaxy tab look like a worthy competitor, meaning 95% of everything you would do on one work well on the other. If you are an ios user and happy, buy an iPad. If you are a bit bored after so many iPhone, just buy the Galaxy tab for a change. Vice versa for Android users.

For new users, if you like tinkering, the galaxy tab is for you. Otherwise, get an iPad, to have *today* the reference tablet, or a Galaxy Tab 2 to have an old version of *tomorrow* reference tablet (Galaxy Tab 3). Unless you need flash, in that case, buy a laptop.

Re:Executive summary (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941476)

...kind of depends on what you want to do with a tablet/phone and whether or not this will run afoul of Steve's vision and what the devout fanboys think you should be doing with a tablet.

More and more it becomes easier and easier to want things that the devout fanboys will call "geeky".

Re:Executive summary (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941484)

Everyone else, stay away until they either become significantly cheaper than the iPad or Android has caught up in marketshare and polish (which, conveniently, is always 6 months from now.

6 months from now, when the androids can finally compete head to head with the ipad2, and all the early adopters have expired after being shot in the back with arrows, I'm sure sales against the ipad3 with retina display or whatever its supposed to have will be ... once again, not so brisk; but I promise once again, in just 6 more months, we'll have an Ipad3-killer android tablet ... ready by the rollout of the ipad4...

Where does that cost of goods come from? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941258)

Tablets have seemed like a scam to me. Take a $200 Windows netbook, saw off the keyboard and hard drive, throw out most of the ram, cost-reduce the packaging so that the battery can't be user-replaced, replace the Intel Atom processor with a slower and cheaper ARM, stop paying the Windows tax and run FOSS Android instead, add the touchscreen layer and some flash memory, and you've got a typical 10" Android tablet. They should cost LESS than netbooks, not more. What's going on?

Re:Where does that cost of goods come from? (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941408)

What's going on?

What's going on is that almost all of the assumptions you've made prior to your question are ass-backwards. I'll address one of the ones you would least expect to be false:

stop paying the Windows tax and run FOSS Android instead

No major manufacturer uses the actual open source Android distribution. In fact, the only version of Android that officially supports Android is not open source. It's very much closed, and tablet makers pay Google for access to it.

Re:Where does that cost of goods come from? (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941522)

add the touchscreen layer

You just answered your own question.

Every Android vs iPad review... (5, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941272)

Every Android vs iPad review, summed up:

"The iPad is the best product, hands down, but if you don't mind dealing with a bunch of issues, the Android tablet is a strong contender."

It's like all reviewers need a horse race, and will bend over backwards to try to say nice things about the Android tablets. Do you think they'd do the same if the tables were reversed?

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (0)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941418)

That's what you get for only reading reviews in Mac magazines. Branch out a bit. Broaden your horizons. Summon the will to break free of the Cult of Apple. It will be difficult, but your soul will thank you.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941490)

That's what you get for only reading reviews in Mac magazines. Branch out a bit. Broaden your horizons. Summon the will to break free of the Cult of Apple. It will be difficult, but your soul will thank you.

Idem ditto for the cult of android.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941564)

What the hell are you talking about? DeviceGuru is a Mac magazine?

Why not take your own advice, and broaden your horizons? Android is getting its ass handed to it in the tablet space.

But here on slashdot, apparently it's easier to just say things like "Cult of Apple" or "fanboy", than to actually make arguments based on reality.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (-1, Troll)

WillyWanker (1502057) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941648)

I just like poking the Apple fanbois. They've got so much bullshit stuffed up their asses it's hard not to.

And I wouldn't worry too much about Android in the tablet space. It's getting "clobbered" cause those not enthralled by Stevie J know when something isn't worth buying. Unlike Apple users who will buy anything and everything Apple sells without so much as a single nano-thought. Tablets are DOA devices. The fact that Apple sells so many only underscores how braindead people like you are.

Tablets will either transform into something useful or will die out quickly. And then where will the iPad be? In landfills with all the other old and useless Apple equipment that cost too much and did too little (other than make you look cool to your friends and co-workers).

All you need as proof is the smartphone market, where Android has busted a dozen caps into Apple's ass.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941700)

I just like poking the Apple fanbois. They've got so much bullshit stuffed up their asses it's hard not to.

In other words, you're just a troll.

And I wouldn't worry too much about Android in the tablet space. It's getting "clobbered" cause those not enthralled by Stevie J know when something isn't worth buying. Unlike Apple users who will buy anything and everything Apple sells without so much as a single nano-thought.

In other words, anyone who likes what you don't like are stupid.

Tablets are DOA devices.

Reality contradicts this claim.

The fact that Apple sells so many only underscores how braindead people like you are.

Back to the "everyone who doesn't share my opinion is stupid" line.

Tablets will either transform into something useful or will die out quickly. And then where will the iPad be? In landfills with all the other old and useless Apple equipment that cost too much and did too little (other than make you look cool to your friends and co-workers).

And a combination of ignoring reality and everyone not like me is stupid.

All you need as proof is the smartphone market, where Android has busted a dozen caps into Apple's ass.

The handset market is the *one* market where Android and iOS overlap which is significantly influenced by factors external to OS choice. Carrier choice, plans, prices all have a significant impact.

So, the one and only market which you can cite as "proof" just so happens to be the one and only market where Android and iOS don't directly compete without external influences. Bravo!

Also, your "proof" ignores much more relevant proof, which is the *actual* sales numbers of iPads vs Android tablets.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941716)

I just like poking the Apple fanbois. They've got so much bullshit stuffed up their asses it's hard not to.

Yes, we call you haters, and your focus on asses is very easy to detect since you always come off as one.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941752)

I just like poking the Apple fanbois.

Given your username, that's not surprising anybody.

Re:Every Android vs iPad review... (1)

1155 (538047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941734)

So the article linked to in the story here is an apple fanboy site? I just read it and it didn't seem that way to me. More like an android fanboy reviewing an android device trying to like it and yet having to come clean about some problems. But still saying it's better.

I've not used either an ipad or any of the android devices, but I'm pretty interested in buying one within the next year. The problem is that every time I read about the android devices on the android fanboy websites, there are always some apologies about the android device and the android device still wins. On the ipad fanboy sites, the ipad fanboys actually say what the problems are and do not sugar coat things as much, but the ipad still comes out on top.

The problem is that once you get past the "hey it can run flash!" portion, I don't know which is actually any better. I tried the hp tablet the other day and kind of liked it, but then it had weirdness all around it too. Is android the same? Is the ipad? No review on this really just answers the question that I can find.

"Branch out a bit" seems to be a typical response from both sides. It's really just a defensive reflex from someone who really loves (and probably rightfully so) their chosen platform that they chose to invest in.

Even Android reviews lack polish!! (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941280)

From early in the Gripes list:

Occasionally, view orientation momentarily switches back/forth between portrait and landscape modes for no apparent reason; only happens when it's on its stand, slightly reclined.

Then a little later on in the same list:

The device occasionally switches between landscape and portrait modes for no reason, when operated on stand (a setting can lock it, however).

I guess it was really annoying to list it twice!

I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfr (-1, Offtopic)

WellsRafael (2425948) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941294)

I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, BidsOut.com

Re:I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my gir (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941360)

Neglecting to mention those were paid for using $25 face value 1/2 oz golden eagles.

Yes I'm well aware its laughably bad comment spam, but its kinda funny how the numbers pretty much work out...

Galaxy Tab 10.1 owner here (4, Informative)

Necroman (61604) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941300)

Disclaimer: I got my galaxy tab for free, so I have a little extra love for it.

I've been using the tablet for a couple months now and I'm pretty happy with it. Since the Android 3.1 update came out, it fixed a lot of the initial software issues I had with the device. My biggest annoyance is the lack of Netflix support. But overall, it's been great for web browsing and standard tablet activities.

Pros:

  • Flash support. (could be listed as a con also, due to flash advertisements and focus stealing issues).
  • A more open app store. For example, I wanted an app that showed wireless AP strength. Android has some nice apps for it, the iPhone does not since the APIs on the iphone/ipad are private.
  • Choice of web browser and mail app. You get popups like on windows saying "which app do you want to open this in".

Cons:

  • Android devices vary quite a bit from one another in both firmware version of device configuration. This causes apps to not always behave properly on your device, or not be supported yet (skype and netflix).

In the deeper parts of the device I'm sure I could find complaints, but as a web browser/email client and occasionally playing games on it, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been a good experience (again, since 3.1 came out).

The 3.0 firmware that was originally on the Tab was really buggy. I had lots of rendering errors when visiting various websites (Google News was a big offender). but they fixed all my major issues since then.

Motorola Xoom owner here (4, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941462)

I also got my Xoom for free.

I've had my Xoom almost since it first came out and I, as you, have had a much improved experience following the 3.1 update. A friend of mine as well as my boss both have iPads that I have had much experience with and here's my 2 cents.

I prefer the Xoom for the following reasons:
The web browser makes more sense ergonomically on a tablet than Safari does on the iPad since it has tabs that are always viewable.
Higher resolution widescreen display.
I prefer the way multitasking works as I just hit a button on the taskbar and thumbnails of currently running programs display to pick from.
Always visible and consistent "back" button on the taskbar.
Widgets
Wi-fi hangs on to a signal better. My boss is constantly getting the "would you like to sign up for a cellular plan" pop-up on his iPad when the wi-fi falls down.
Google Music integration with the music player so all of my stuff is always at hand.
Scripting layer for Android so I can write and run python scripts right on the device.
Choice of keyboards including "Hacker's Keyboard" that gives me access to all keys including Esc, Ctrl, and Alt for vnc/ssh sessions.
Firefox web browser that stays in sync with my desktop browser including tabs/settings/passwords, etc.
Ubuntu chroot so I have an industrial strength cli environment right on the device.

About the only advantages I see for iPad is the interface is smoother and their are more tablet oriented apps. Some people claim that it is simpler to operate but I don't really think that is the case. I have yet to see any particular exclusive apps that would draw me away from Android and I can get past the relatively small difference in smooth. YMMV.

I ditched my iPad for Android (4, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941336)

I've had an iPad since the day it launched. And I do like the hardware and I prefer the screen ratio to the Android tablet widescreen - the page size is better for reading magazines and comics.

Then Woot had a sale on refurbed XOOMs and I bought one. Imagine, I can just plug it in with mini-USB and transfer files or SSH them over wifi. I can replace the soft keyboard with a better one. I can have mail on my 'desktop'. Basically, there's very little I can't control, especially with Tasker. The screen on the XOOM is not quite as good as the iPad's in sunlight, and of course the iPad has a far better game selection, but I don't think I can go back at this point. So since I think the Tab 10.1 is better hardware than the XOOM except for that stupid proprietary cable that'd be even better.

My biggest regret is that I could only delete iTunes from my computer and not skull@#$ it till it died, since that's what I feel like it was doing to me every time I was forced to use it.

Re:I ditched my iPad for Android (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941704)

What do you transfer files for? Serious question, because one of the greatest things Apple has done with the iPad is get rid of the antiquated concept of the file system. Obviously, iOS is a work in progress, but I can't see why I'd want to put files on a tablet computer a year from now.

Something I've never understood (1, Flamebait)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941446)

Here's something I've never understood...

Samsung could drop its 10-inch tablet's price to $425 and pose a serious challenge to Apple's device. But will they...?

Why would anyone trade so much away for 10% of the price in a luxury market?

There's no way I'd drop most of my half of a mortgage payment on something that "kinda works sometimes" when I could just toss in the cost of a nice night out and get the top of the line...

Imagine if the decision was to buy the yugo for $9K or the BMW for $10K. You can have a grilled to perfection steak dinner for $5 or save a whopping 50 cents by having a three day old mcdonalds burger instead. Would I still be married if I told her to buy a $900 pair of sweatpants and teeshirt from walmart instead of a kilobuck wedding dress? Why throw down do much cash but not finish the job?

Now if it didn't really work, but it was 1/4 the price, Oh I'd find a way, even if it involved desoldering and remanufacturing. But almost but not quite the same cost? Forget it.

Re:Something I've never understood (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941496)

...except in the real world it's the Yugo that doesn't fly apart into pieces.

Again with the clueless "BMW" remarks from the devout fanboys. I doubt if any of these jokers have ever been inside a BMW.

Some people are just brand fixated and will pay a lot of money for the right logo.

Re:Something I've never understood (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941538)

Tactical error on my part. A better standard /. analogy would have been:

$9K for a used beater from '05 with 100K miles driven hard by teenage fast-and-the-furious wannabe that often breaks down vs $10K for a new one of whatever jedidiah thinks is a decent car brand.

The point remaining, if I'm gonna toss out a substantial amount of dough for a luxury, I want it to "just work perfectly", not be "kinda close for 10% less".

"Kinda close for 10% less" is how you sell 6-32 screws to engineers who wanted to use 8-24 screws but the boss forced the redesign because its a little cheaper. "Kinda close for 10% less" is not how you sell luxury goods.

"Here's my new Rowlex... Its almost like a Rolex, in that its worn on a wrist and tries to tell time, but not really, because it doesn't work. Oh well, I saved 10%" ... um, maybe, just maybe, that would fly at a 2600 meeting, but probably no where else..

Re:Something I've never understood (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941626)

This is it exactly. The Apple premium is exactly what Kutaragi (Father of the PS3) was describing when he said " It will be expensive ... for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. " .

ipad vs galaxy (1, Redundant)

bobm3 (899166) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941466)

hmm the choice is a better all around machine or saving a few dollars, I go with the better product that just works.

Re:ipad vs galaxy (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941598)

Solution is raise the price to match the ipad? Crazily enough it might work to position themselves as "about the same although a little different" rather than carefully positioning themselves to be the ipad's annoying kid brother, or the ipad's poseur wannabe guy.

Imagine how horrible linux market share would be on servers if it was marketed in the 90s like Android is marketed in the 10s... "Well, RHAT will sell you a support contract for 10% less than msdos 3.30, so you save there, but its not quite as good and there's some minor UI issues where the world standard of blackslashes in directory names is forwards slashes on linux, and all the distributions are different and appear and disappear unless you stick to the majors, and individual issues have to be tracked by the end users, unlike msdos where everyone runs the same ver 3.30 so there's no real community amongst linux distros... But, hey, if you want to put in more effort for 10% less cost, its ... usable...

Note I'm not talking about what it is, but how its marketed.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941478)

Seriously, tablets are for wankers with more money than braincells. No keyboard, cant' even stand up on their own, can't fit in your pocket, pathetically weak CPU that can't be used to create anything, and in the case of Apple, very poor compatibility with 3rd party hardware.

Buy a netbook or laptop instead. Even if you're just going to use it for wanking, at least it leaves both of your hands free.

Hack Much? (1)

turb (5673) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941514)

If you're someone that wants to get into the device, and do plenty of your own modifications then sure get an android based tablet that fits into your desired price/feature range. You'll be glad you did and have lots of fun.

If you want to use a tablet and not fiddle with it then I'd recommend getting an iPad. It "just works" and there's plenty of great software.

Re:Hack Much? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941606)

I have a Xoom with Android 3.1. Could you tell me what about it doesn't "just work"?

Re:Hack Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36941688)

The battery after 5 hours.

Re:Hack Much? (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941744)

That's strange as according to this review [engadget.com] , the xoom gets 8 hours and 20 minutes on a charge. I usually go a couple of days on a charge using it on and off.

OT Anecdote as Data (0)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941568)

The other day I was in Best Buy and saw a XOOM out for display. So I started up the web browser and navigated to the same test page I always use (http://www.theage.com.au) to see how well it compared to the iPad. Well I didn't get to see much, as not only did that test crash the browser, it crashed the XOOM itself. All I got was a message that basically said "Sorry .. we're crashing the device here. Thanks for playing". I have never seen that sort of behaviour before, so based on that 1 point data sample I was not impressed with the XOOM (not that I am in the market for a tablet anyway).

As for /. users (1)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#36941592)

TFA:

[Get the iPad]...unless you’ve got a grudge against Apple for some reason, or are enamored with the idea of having a more configurable tablet

He just described ~80% of slashdotters there. So go get your Galaxy Tabs, folks.

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