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UK Police Charge Suspected Anonymous Spokesman

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the not-so-anonymous dept.

Crime 247

An anonymous reader writes "Scotland Yard has tonight charged 18-year-old Jake Davis, who was arrested in the Shetland Islands last week, with five offenses including unauthorized computer access and conspiracy to carry out a DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attack against the SOCA (Serious Organized Crime Agency) website. When announcing his arrest on Wednesday, police said that they believed Davis used the online nickname 'Topiary' and acted as the spokesperson for the Anonymous and LulzSec hacking groups. Topiary's final twitter message said 'You can't arrest an idea' just before his arrest."

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I blame Obama. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943268)

Everything is his fault. Right?

Re:I blame Obama. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943298)

I call BS. Everyone knows it's Michelle pulling the strings.

Remember, remember (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943274)

the first of August?

Re:Remember, remember (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943322)

I sincerely doubt it. Wonder how easy it'll be for ol' Tope to remain relevant while he's being ass-raped in jail?

Anonymous - where the best LULZ are the unintentional ones. You got what you deserved, so much for your legion.

Re:Remember, remember (3, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943440)

Funny that, but prison rape isn't so much of a problem in the UK as it is in the great old US of A, where it seems to actually be encouraged as part of the punishment.

Re:Remember, remember (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943592)

Funny that, but prison rape isn't so much of a problem in the UK

Of course it isn't seeing as you're all a bunch of poofters.

That old "Lie back and think of England" bit wasn't something that was told to young ladies on their wedding night.. it was told to their husbands.

Re:Remember, remember (2)

smelch (1988698) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943684)

Prison rape is played up in the states. Of all the people I've talked to in and out of prison, you almost never see that kind of thing unless its consensual. They always play it as rape though because getting caught having sex with another inmate will get you a pretty hefty punishment, and definitely doesn't sit well with a lot of the other inmates.

Re:Remember, remember (2)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943810)

Of all the people I've talked to in and out of prison

I guess you are American, and that means you know quite a few former prisoners because of this, but as the meme goes, the plural of Anecdote is not "statistic". Prison rape tends to happen to more normal / weaker prisoners in violent prisons. It is more common in state prisons than federal. It's also very area specific. The target group is unlikely to be a main group of friends of the average Slashdot reader. It's completely likely that it's happening and that the people that you know don't know about it.

Re:Remember, remember (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943696)

Yeah say this to my face and you'll get what you deserve which is my foot broken off up your ass.

Re:Remember, remember (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943872)

Anonymous - where the best LULZ are the unintentional ones. You got what you deserved, so much for your legion.

Errhm...what about the other 60.000 of us? (Currently and rising).

JOIN THE CFAFI! STOP THIS MADNESS! (3, Funny)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943284)

The Campaign for a Free Internet calls on all Free Americans to join us in stopping Italians from taking over our Nation's internet and turning it into an authoritarian, homosexual islamocommunist dictatorship! As TFA shows, the Italians and their allies are striking boldly at our most chyerished freedoms. There is no time to waste. Join the Campaign today, and get a free commemorative lunchbox!

Yeah? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943294)

Looks like Mr. Idea just got his ass arrested, I think his last "tweett" was a bit premature. Hopefully the guy he's bunking with will have just as big a hardon for V for Vendetta, maybe he'll go gentle on him the first time.

Fuck Anonymous, they all belong in jail. A bunch of self-glorifying script kiddies, that's all.

Re:Yeah? (0)

Zandamesh (1689334) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943304)

woooosh

Re:Yeah? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943420)

What's that, the sound of Topiary spreading his cheeks for his new roommate? Fuck you and your dumbass script kiddie friends...oh, wait, make that friends less one. I'm willing to bet the LULZ aren't going to be had when he's being buttraped in federal, serves him right.

Re:Yeah? (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943316)

Fuck Anonymous, they all belong in jail. A bunch of self-glorifying script kiddies, that's all.

Says the Anonymous Coward.

Re:Yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943766)

Fuck Anonymous, they all belong in jail. A bunch of self-glorifying script kiddies, that's all.

Says the Anonymous Coward.

AC != Anonymous

Re:Yeah? (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943858)

A bunch of self-glorifying script kiddies, that's all.

Just like old times hey?

I wonder if he'll turn out the same way as Mendax did.

Remember remember (1)

gale the simple (1931540) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943302)

the fifth of November.. Someone was watching too many movies?

Re:Remember remember (0)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943442)

I maybe watching too many movies too. These "conspiracy to commit..." charges are justified by some vague "threat of cyber warfare" and are usually based only on some forum postings or other expression of stupid, but generally well-meaning young people.

Yet those charges tend to carry stiff jail sentences and large penalties, most of the time quite disproportional to the actual damage done. The more I look at those farce actions of the police/governments about "internet crimes", the more they look to me like a solution in search of a problem.

Re:Remember remember (1)

gale the simple (1931540) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943468)

I was being a little facetious. Obviously, the current direction seems quite clear. I mean, when you think about it, once you are off a cliff there is only one way to go.. and besides,The Internet Threat (or TIT) is the new threat you can rally behind/scare people with. It is vague enough and gives you a good excuse to do just about anything.
If anyone here ever listens to Moody radio lately, you will know, that this is already happening. We have a new official enemy. I seriously wish I was joking.

Re:Remember remember (0)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943528)

Yeah cause here on Slashdot we all know if the crime was committed with a computer, it's not really crime.

Re:Remember remember (1)

gale the simple (1931540) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943560)

Cute. But no. Your oversimplification barely justifies a response, let alone a detailed explanation of the rationale behind it.:P Try again

Re:Remember remember (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943620)

Which crime, posting something on teh Internets?

Yeah, serious business.

Do they have any evidence (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943308)

...that he even participated in the attacks? Afaik, there is no law against releasing statements with permission from an organization.

Re:Do they have any evidence (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943332)

If they're going the conspiracy route then no, likely just having knowledge and tweeting the success would be sufficient to drag him in.

Re:Do they have any evidence (1)

izomiac (815208) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943504)

It seems odd to me to arrest the spokesperson. They're fairly easily replaced, and uninvolved in the actual activities (assuming common sense). They also let the authorities know who did what, which is invaluable for intel as to exactly how many groups you're fighting. So, I assume this was a political arrest. Going after their one lead just so they have something to show for their efforts.

Re:Do they have any evidence (3, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943566)

Maybe the logic is that he knows *something* about the group, whatever it is, and the best way to get it out of him is haul him far from home and trump up a bunch of charges. He's only 19 after all.

Re:Do they have any evidence (3, Interesting)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943642)

So, we're talking Britain here. There's still splinter groups out there from the IRA who also have spokespersons. There's people who blow up subway cars who have spokespersons. The idea here is to use a route that still protects the real core of damage causers, meaning your spokesperson doesn't really know all that much. Maybe one or more of those meatspace groups won't bother to call in and take 'responsibility' for the next atrocity and the British government will be left wondering just which group did it. A government that goes after spokespersons better have reason to think they can provide important, even vital data, or there's a big downside. Going after one for possibly knowing 'something' is simultaneously saying the group you are after isn't a real threat and you're confident your actions won't provoke them more than the info the spokesperson gives you is worth. Do you see any reason why the British government can make such a claim to its citizens?

Re:Do they have any evidence (2)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943816)

Well firstly - there's no danger of Lulzsec not calling it in, they love publicity.
Secondly, no, I don't consider them a 'real' threat. They're not threatening lives.

Re:Do they have any evidence (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943750)

I don't know a whole lot about it, but I know there's considerable speculation that they've got the wrong guy. I guess they've successfully framed individuals that they don't like, and ended up not being who the authorities thought they were.

Re:Do they have any evidence (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943942)

Well; let's assume that "they" already have, from traffic analysis by GCHQ and their collaborators over at the NSA, a complete list of the guys "in Anonymous" (==real own IP & MAC address of anyone who has recently used LOIC + real own IP & MAC anyone who has ever /recently chatted on the IRC channel + real own IP & MAC of anyone who has posted on most of their discussion forums + reasonable ID of most people who have turned up for their demonstrations) together with information about exactly what involvement they have. They can't afford to arrest them all since that would give away the extent of their monitoring of the internet. Where would you start? What would be your order of arrests? I guess that the aim is to reduce the embarrassment. The only constraint is that you need a semi-plausible reason to investigate a given individual. Going for the spokesmen and the people who are releasing information seems to me like a logical start.

Darn kids these days (2)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943312)

Back in the day we had fun stealing cars for joy rides and doing jewlery store heists. These days kids have fun attacking computers, much more victim less crime.

Re:Darn kids these days (1)

DreamMaster (175517) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943368)

It really depends on the data. Remember that a large part of the protests against the Wikileaks release of Afghanistan info was the potential to endanger the lives of civilian informants. Such computer crimes as we see these days can have the potential to hurt a lot of people. Not that a terrorist couldn't also hurt a lot of people using a stolen car. It just depends on what's actually done.

Re:Darn kids these days (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943690)

"civilian informants"? I think they would be able to map out most local people having contact for cash ect....
If the night raids get too good in your area, you have an informant..
No need for complex computer files in areas where people are close .. the namers listed in any "free", "gift to the world" "download" databases might be traps ..
COINTELPRO was great at getting groups to replace their own top leaders with well placed gossip.

Re:Darn kids these days (4, Funny)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943426)

Back in the day we had fun stealing cars for joy rides and doing jewlery store heists. These These days kids have fun attacking computers, much more victim less crime.

I think that Sony would disagree with you there. I doubt that the total value of your stolen cars and jewellery would add up to anywhere near what Sony has lost due to its recent hacks.

Re:Darn kids these days (2)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943562)

I think that Sony would disagree with you there. I doubt that the total value of your stolen cars and jewellery would add up to anywhere near what Sony has lost due to its recent hacks.

I'll bet every person who was infected by a Sony rootkit or anyone who wants to mod or run a second OS on their Playstation will say it was just deserts.

You can arrest the person (4, Insightful)

DreamMaster (175517) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943326)

You may not be able to arrest an idea, but it seems you can arrest the person.

Re:You can arrest the person (1)

cheaphomemadeacid (881971) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943418)

Yes, if they also can arrest the RIGHT person, that would probably be kinda nice oh and how many 'supreme leaders' of lulsec/anonymous have been arrested already? :P the cops are just having a hissy fit cause they have no clue as how to find the guys really behind this, probably behind a dozen proxies + hacked wifi, not something you can trace...

His name was Jake Davis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943474)

It's time for a "Fight Club" sequel/remake/reboot, possibly combine it with some "Hackers" and a liberal dose of "Bullworth". Maybe the guys who organized "Steal This Film" could get the ball rolling....

Re:You can arrest the person (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943996)

and your health could be seriously damaged for a bad idea(even if it's not yours)...think on electronic harassment practices
A.

Today's lesson (5, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943348)

Today's lesson: You aren't V. Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state which brutally subjugates the populace. This isn't to say that they are perfect. Far from it. But the basic point is clear. Moreover, if either of the governments were so bad as to deserve fighting back then the method to respond would not involve hacking every single website you can most of whom are corporations which have nothing to do with anything. Sure it is probably fun to convince yourself that you are doing good, but your just a bunch of script kiddies who aren't being helpful while real activists spend their time and sometimes lives improving the governments and saving lives.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943376)

Today's lesson: You aren't V. Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state which brutally subjugates the populace. This isn't to say that they are perfect. Far from it. But the basic point is clear. Moreover, if either of the governments were so bad as to deserve fighting back then the method to respond would not involve hacking every single website you can most of whom are corporations which have nothing to do with anything. Sure it is probably fun to convince yourself that you are doing good, but your just a bunch of script kiddies who aren't being helpful while real activists spend their time and sometimes lives improving the governments and saving lives.

Umm, evil? Maybe not, but indifferent, probably. As for anything else, we'll just have to wait for the historians to decide. Assuming we survive to read it, of course.

Re:Today's lesson (-1)

WoollyMittens (1065278) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943404)

It's "you're just a bunch of script kiddies", not "your just a bunch of script kiddies".

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943514)

Yore being needlessly pedantic.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943608)

Sometimes I appreciate when people point out my spelling/grammar mistakes, if they aren't rude about it, because that is how I improve.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

Anarchduke (1551707) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943716)

quit hitlering people's grammar

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943788)

Hey, someone has to. Grammar has gone to the dogs as of late. Damn kids. Now get off my lawn.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943920)

Quit "Hitlering" peoples grammar.

Better ?

Re:Today's lesson (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943412)

That does not matter.
Do you think the riots which resulted in many death in other countries were the "right way" to do it? Probably not.
The point is that no other way works. You can't spend 30 years of your life trying to get a big political party and get shot down by your own guys after those 30 years. What you can do is protest. And if you protest, it's not going to be an email or a blog post, even not a public performance.
You protest with things that everyone is going to _care_ about.

Riots. Hacking high level web sites. Whatever else. At least, they don't kill people or destroy their lives - the government does that, daily, if you haven't noticed. That the proven way to change things, so far.

What I find the most sad, is such arguments as "real activists" "saving lives". It sounds like "and also they capture pedophiles" and such crap. They don't save lives. They also don't do shit. If you haven't noticed that either, the governments, corporations haven't changed, and never do, until a revolution rise. How long do your real activists need, 100, 200, 500 years? Please, get a fucking clue.

Revolutions started by riots, and other such acts,once again. Hacking is part of that, now.

Re:Today's lesson (5, Insightful)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943634)

Oh bullshit. This kind of skiddie hacktivism is what spineless yobs do when they're too scared to go out and try to make a difference in the real world. It's just another breed of armchair combat, and a pretty sorry one as well. If you want to make a difference then do something out in the real world. Most people can actually relate to that. Do it through a computer and far less people will give a shit. Those who think they do are deluding themselves into believing that they're actually doing something great from the basement. It's lazy self-justification. Get your ass out into your community and do something in the real world. Few people give a shit about your online community.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943988)

> Few people give a shit about your online community.
The police seemed to care.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943946)

I don't believe in a revolution. I believe in changing the mind of the people over time. I don't believe in this fake system called democracy. I believe in the small positive gesture of each individual. Recycling only works because every one does it. It does not work because the "government is on it", it works because we care. If you do things that pisses of the mass, you will get the mass against you. Hacking all those game developers was just plain stupid and does not send any message other than "You can't play your game now and we may have your credit card information!". Just like smashing the window of a man with a small shop does not send a message against "capitalism" or "globalization". It just sends that message that you're willing to piss off everyone.

I know it's hard to accept but you change the world by doing small gesture and hopefully, changing the people around you and hoping others do the same. When someone looks angry because they are having a bad day, instead of being pissed off at them for being angry, you smile and hope they'll see enough people smiling to turn their day around. You do volunteering of your time and help people who need it. If everyone did some volunteering work, maybe some problems would be fixed faster. Maybe we wouldn't still be dealing with poverty in this day and age.

Re:Today's lesson (3, Interesting)

Khyber (864651) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943454)

"Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state which brutally subjugates the populace"

You haven't been watching their actions lately, have you? Teahadists and Republicrats alike essentially holding our asses hostage over non-existent fucking money, acting like the world fucking police, and trying to undermine the foundation of their governments for the profit of their friends.

Take your blinders off.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943544)

Yes! Stand up for free entertainment and the right to deface websites! Stop the fascists from stopping us from pointlessly being a pain in everyone's ass! We're entitled to be jerks!

Re:Today's lesson (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943640)

Teahadists and Republicrats alike essentially....., acting like the world fucking police

No, you're getting it backwards.....Democrats act like world police, with Clinton in Srebrenica and Obama in Libya. Republicans tend to go on evil-clensing quests: like Bush in Iraq and Reagan against communism.

Re:Today's lesson (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943462)

Going to get troll modded for this but whatever.

You agree that the governments are not brutally subjugating the populace. You agree they are far from perfect also.

Then you claim that if they were brutally subjugating the populace hacking, defacing, and dossing websites would not be the correct response.

I'm sorry but I think you just proved anons point and their methods (while claiming contrary). Anon is using defacing and dos attacks as a form of peaceful protest. I wouldn't condone them going much further at the current time but denial of service and high profile defacing in form of protest seems like the perfect response to freedoms, rights, and liberties being slowly eroded.

If you ask me, sure they are a bunch of script kiddies, but I am certain what they are doing is required with the current state of things. I also applaud taking action, now, and peacefully, before shit really hits the fan and people in the US / Britain are required to pick up arms to fight for real. (I think we all agree getting to that point would suck)

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943472)

When a stupid script kiddie can hack in into serious data, it means its not safe in first place.
i wonder what the other "script kiddies" that did hacked before lulzsec but didn't did all the scandal are doing with the data right now.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943480)

A DDos attack is hardly attacking a web site, in reality it is no different to temporarily obstructing a corporations main entry point ie. a misdemeanour in line with disturbing the peace. Those add on charges are just abuses of the law by the law. Seriously how fucked up and ludicrous is the idea of conspiracy to commit a misdemeanour as being a serious crime

This is just a measure of insane the idea of corporate profits over people's rights has become, where denial to view a digital marketing billboard with no permanent consequence is considered a serious crime, require hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on an investigation and pointless prosecution.

Today's lesson is the authorities have their head up their collective asses. News Corporation gets involved in hacking the computer phone network upon a massive scale, illegal wire tapping, bribery, extortion and blackmail, perverting the course of justice, political corruption, treason and where are the mass arrests, where are the mass raids, nahh, it's just a teency bit of phone hacking, let's pursue the person who blocked a digital billboard for a few hours the fate of the country depends upon it.

So yes it is reminiscent of V where the government pursue tiny infringements as major crimes whilst ignoring major crimes because it might affect corporate profits. So is protest appropriate, is it doing good, of course it is when it redresses the balance between corporate power and influence and real peoples rights. Lies in this world are currently killing millions of people, lies that start wars, lies that protect pharmaceutical profits, lies that keep the junk food industry going, lies that allow out of control pollution and lies that allow the poor to die due to lack of health care or proper diet whilst the rich and greedy wallow in luxury wasting the earth's resources and polluting beyond all reason.

How many people have to die every year due to a minorities greed for more power and money, how many million will it take for you to take notice and we are in the millions.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943648)

A DDos attack is hardly attacking a web site...

May your life be syn-full, and your connection obliterated while overwhelmed by a heaving pile of crap pouring into it for a few days.

Afterwards, you can tell us all again how it's not an attack. If you ever manage to bring your site back up, that is.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

Simply Curious (1002051) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943782)

I'm curious. It seems like a voluntary DDoS is nothing more than the digital equivalent of a sit-in protest. In each, there is a point to be made beyond simple, malicious destruction. In each, the underlying infrastructure is left undamaged. In each, the method of protest is to do as normal customers do, but more so, whether by sitting in the dining area for extended periods of time, or by requesting the site continuously for extended periods of time. Do you have any opinion as to whether this analogy is valid?

Re:Today's lesson (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943980)

A DDos attack is hardly attacking a web site, in reality it is no different to temporarily obstructing a corporations main entry point ie. a misdemeanour in line with disturbing the peace. Those add on charges are just abuses of the law by the law. Seriously how fucked up and ludicrous is the idea of conspiracy to commit a misdemeanour as being a serious crime

That isn't a fair comparison. A company who does business solely through its website can't do business if the website is shut down. That would be akin to people protesting wal-mart by walking into the store, forcibly removing every customer from the store, and then forbidding entry. Except even that still isn't a fair comparison either, because wal-marts might have a hundred customers in the store at once, whereas big websites like these on the other hand have a hundred thousand customers at once.

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943486)

You are one of them.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943488)

Today's lesson: You aren't V. Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state which brutally subjugates the populace. This isn't to say that they are perfect. Far from it. But the basic point is clear. Moreover, if either of the governments were so bad as to deserve fighting back then the method to respond would not involve hacking every single website you can most of whom are corporations which have nothing to do with anything. Sure it is probably fun to convince yourself that you are doing good, but your just a bunch of script kiddies who aren't being helpful while real activists spend their time and sometimes lives improving the governments and saving lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

"Árbenz instigated sweeping land reform acts that antagonized the U.S.-based multinational United Fruit Company, which had large stakes in the old order of Guatemala and lobbied various levels of the U.S. government to take action against Árbenz.[2] Both Dulles and his brother were shareholders of United Fruit Company.[3]" -Wikipedia

I think this idea that somehow the most powerful entities in the United States have nothing to do with how the country is run is wilful ignorance.

Re:Today's lesson (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943590)

Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state which brutally subjugates the populace.

Ironically, the parent poster was disappeared in the night by secret police for failing to use the word nor after neither. They're not fascists, but they are Grammar Nazis.

Today's lessons for you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943614)

Neither the British or US government is an evil fascist state

1) Neither nor, not Neither ... or.

2) The correct noun is regime, not state.

3) Like many, those regimes seem to tick most of the 14 boxes [rense.com].

Three strikes - you're out. Thanks for playing.

Joshua... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943712)

So you think that PayPal's decision to block access to the WikiLeaks defence funds (donated by thousands of people worldwide) was "helping to improve the government"...?

Re:Today's lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943914)

most of whom are corporations which have nothing to do with anything

Yes, exactly like the News Of The World which has been recently proven to have nothing to do with politics, police or citizens (British or otherwise) AM I RIGHT?

Who will govern the Government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943380)

Why is it that the people are FORCED by elections to vote for how they will re-introduce themselves as subject to regulations and laws while the same vote causes a privileged person to receive a title of nobility to do things that the people are not allowed to do? So the Government is allowed to violate a actual contract without war, unable to abate an isolate incident by it's merits, yet the people are instantly painted as though being terrorists and insergeants if not tourists visitting a foreign land to tilt their collection utilities with so-many requests for service that the flood haults the service for not being able to accomodate that service at the requested rate?

Is this why the 14th Amendment is written that a Vote is a rebellion against the existing powers? Voting itself never rebelled against it's own legislation, but supplanted it more than anything would ever be considered a true Amendment to make something more correct and true, so in this regard would a Vote be looked-up as a continuation of Rebellion against the Crown of England for the United States? Consider that the Treaty of Trippoli gives evidence that the United States is not a Christian nation, yet the States of America are Christian nations? Why is it not the United States *are* Christian nation*s*, but it says that the United States is *not* a Christian nation? States of America is always plural, yet the United States is singular? WTF?

carychen (0)

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God (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943434)

Boredom is the biggest challenge for the Creator.

It's a slow news day. What has God been doing, lately? Oh, oh!

God says...
C:\TEXT\WEALTH.TXT

enerally an
opportunity of selling for money. Some part of this money, perhaps, they
spent in purchasing the few objects of vanity and luxury, with which the
circumstances of the times could furnish them; but some part of it they
seem commonly to have hoarded. They could not well, indeed, do any thing
else but hoard whatever money they saved. To trade, was disgraceful to
a gentleman; and to lend money at interest, which at that time was
considered as usury, and prohibited bylaw, would have been stil

Because thats how to handle things. (0)

Chardansearavitriol (1946886) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943452)

Do what they always have. What all our governments always do: ignore the fact that people are commiting war crimes. Dont address the problems of real day to day worry. Instead, they seem much happier wasting resources to prosecute people who *are not bad people.* That gets left out too often. WAY too often. These are not bad people; not really. They didnt do anything wrong that actually matters. Sure, yeah, commited "crimes." Of course, in the real world, this crime amounts to...well, imagine a farmer. with 50 acres of land. Around one end he has a fence, saying "Private Property." at the other side however, wel, he hasnt gotten around to building that fence yet. So claerly he can murder anyone who comes passed this unmarked line. Its not Anonymous/whoevers fault that our governments have decided to be as ridiculously insecure in their data as is possible, in every area of every system. Corruption is rampant. War is being waged. Rights are being eroded. law enforcement becoming just enforcers. Criminals at the heads of multinational corporations destroying the world, cutting mountains into dust. Pollution filling our sky and our land and our water with crap. Even if you dont think climate change is real, surely you can see the problem in dumping things that kill people into our air. Its not like it has anywhere else to go. So right now, heres how it looks: The UK government and private citizens had their phones and computers hacked by Rupert Murdoch's media outlet. Crimes were hindered by their efforts to get the news from the phones. and what does the UK do? Focus on a "spokesman" for a group who probably hasnt actually commited a crime. Way to go, UK. Between Murdoch and that jerk in charg of BP, you clearly made the right choice: Arrest some guy no one knows who could never even begin to cause the sort of damage the real criminals do. These guys arent bad people, again, its really important: They are NOT bad people. The bad people are the ones arresting people for nonsense reason, are the ones who ripped off the global economy. are the ones who started andengaged in illegal wars. Not this group. But you can bet they'll do everything to get attention away from Murdoch's monsters and the corporate pirates running us into a wall. How many Murdoch outlets do you think will cover this and never again mention, yo know, the horrible crimes they commited, like torture. Like letting mercenaries act as mobile soverign territory. No, this is not what matters. What matters is some guy from some group whos name most people cant even pronounce because he allegedly decided to be a spokesman for a group. So, my advice to the UK and all others is as follows: Stop being whiny jerks ,stop ignoring the issues and STOP SHOOTING THE MESSANGER. Sheesh. (Please to note: when I use general terms like "to the UK" i am intending my words to be directed at the agencies in question, not over the UK as a whole; that would be silly and wrong.)

Re:Because thats how to handle things. (5, Funny)

bakarocket (844390) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943548)

You really have to work on shortening your revolutionary slogan. Try something catchy like "Corruption Shmorruption!!" or "Stupid Government, We Hate You!"

Re:Because thats how to handle things. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943658)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Re:Because thats how to handle things. (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943726)

This post is exactly an example of someone who has become a parrot for the latest political memes, without doing research to find out how the world actually is.

Note the example he picks of an 'evil' oil company: BP. Of course everyone knows why, and before that the political meme was Exxon. But why do you ignore the full-on corruption, crime, and murder, of oil companies that are truly evil, like Gazprom? It's because you only have a shallow understanding of the subject.

Likewise, it is easy to get mad at Murdoch (since no one likes him anyway), but are you aware that many UK newspapers were doing the same kind of thing? The story there isn't about Murdoch, it's about a corrupt political/police system in the UK.

Re:Because thats how to handle things. (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943900)

>>Likewise, it is easy to get mad at Murdoch (since no one likes him anyway), but are you aware that many UK newspapers were doing the same kind of thing?

Hell, the NYT *defended* their use of hacked phone data to get stories.

Murdoch is getting run through the grinder mainly because he's Murdoch.

>>This post is exactly an example of someone who has become a parrot for the latest political memes

Does it surprise you that it was an 18-year old? =)

Re:Because thats how to handle things. (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943934)

Gazprom is Russian and he likely cares about things involving his country not somewhere half way across the world.

Murdoch owns lots of media in the US, and hence his companies doing bad things in the UK is of far more relevance on slashdot (a US site) than corruption in the political/police system in another country.

This time again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943540)

spokesman

Too young to hide? (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943626)

It seems those people are arrested thanks to the IP address they were using at the time.
Are they too young to know Tor [torproject.org] and the like?

Re:Too young to hide? (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943646)

I remember reading tor is not perfect and you can poison / man in the middle it pretty easily.

Re:Too young to hide? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943678)

Tor will successfully hide your IP from every node except your entry point. However, by inspecting the actual data, you can sometimes learn something about the origin of the packet. Just because an envelope has no return address, that doesn't mean you can't figure out who sent it by reading the actual letter.

What idea? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943666)

You can't arrest an idea'

What idea are they pushing? I thought they just liked hacking sites that have weak security.

Re:What idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943744)

It's a secret. I could tell you, but then I'd have to.... er, never mind.

The real Anonymous doesn't work like that... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943772)

Do they really think that they caught the right guy?
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/28/7187828-lulzsec-rumors-was-the-real-topiary-arrested

Granted it doesn't matter if they did. There are no leaders of anonymous, and any spokesmen really only speak for themselves. Hell, i could hop on irc and 4chan and declare myself leader of anonymous and start issuing commands.
My guess is 10% would do what I say because it seems like the fun thing to do at the moment.
20% would take my command and expand on it well beyond what I intended.
20% would insist on a different target and maybe a different method of attack.
10% would actively work to sabotage the efforts of everyone already listed.
10% would also declare themselves the leaders and issue their own commands.
And the rest would just trade underage furry porn.

The thing that most people fail to understand is that these groupings will change at the drop of a hat. there's no consistency and no order ant they like it that way. (well, a percentage of them do)

2/b/ !2/b/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#36943786)

Best said in the 1600's..

"To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause—there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

POWER VACUUM! (2)

idbeholda (2405958) | more than 2 years ago | (#36943972)

Just like the last several times, another will take his place. I neither condone or condemn the actions of these groups, but I would like to point out the facts as they've unfolded.
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