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Xamarin's First Mono Release - Proof of Life!

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the congratulations-to-miguel dept.

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mikejuk writes "After striking out on their own the former Mono team, now reconstituted as Xamarin, has just issued its first release of Mono. This is essentially a minor release with lots of bug fixes but it's proof of life for the Mono project after being dropped by Attachmate."

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Thanks? (-1, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990048)

I am sure someone here cares.

Re:Thanks? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990298)

Just Miguel. Everyone else has enough sense not to give a fuck, including Novell by the looks of it. They couldn't shake de Icaza and his waste of time off fast enough. Let's hope the fool runs himself out of business and disappears for good this time.

Re:Thanks? (4, Interesting)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990692)

I do care. There are huge amounts of .NET code out there, and being able to avoid a OS/runtime lock-in is a Good Thing. I remember the 90's, when windows was a monopoly because it was the only working win32 implementation...

Re:Thanks? (4, Funny)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991422)

I think you're being kind of generous there. I remember Windows from that period of time, and I can vouch for the fact that it wasn't a working win32 implementation.

Re:Thanks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991538)

I am sure someone here cares.

Umm.. yeah.. At least a few of us care.. ones who are running .NET code on Linux..

Re:Thanks? (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#37031374)

Or MacOS, FreeBSD...

Does Anyone Care? (0)

segedunum (883035) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990080)

Software company whose business model failed the first time makes extremely minor release of software.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990196)

Microsoft probably does.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

HRbnjR (12398) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990412)

Uhh, maybe not - aren't all the kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET in favour of HTML5 in Windows 8?

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990564)

Uhh, maybe not - aren't all the kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET in favour of HTML5 in Windows 8?

Only retards like you that spread FUD in their retarded comments like yours.

I'm not freaking out at all... HTML5 will have it's place, to be sure, but that place is not the business application by a long-shot. .NET 5 and Win 8 with multi-arch support will start to encroach heavily on Java when they are released.

ARM support for the .NET CLR spells "aren't all the java kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET with multi-arch support into their domain?" And based on comments like yours (spreading FUD), the clear answer is YES.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990664)

Don't waste your breath. Slashdot has always been full of linux/java fanboys. Their just jealous.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (1, Offtopic)

turgid (580780) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990898)

Slashdot has always been full of linux/java fanboys

The MS-apologists appeared back about when XP came out and drowned out the Linux fanboys. There have been very few Java fanboys on here, ever.

Now, IBM fanboys....

Re:Does Anyone Care? (2)

PinchDuck (199974) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991068)

Wow, that is a pretty harsh response. I don't really have a dog in that race, since I'm mostly a web app developer anyway. I use whatever my client has picked as their preferred stack in the background. Classic ASP, ASP.net, java, php, or pure C# talking to Extjs. Whatever. In any case, the only real posts I've seen about MS walking away from .net have all been on boards with a bias towards MS. To say that the Linux/Java people are behind it is kind of silly. They may be repeating it and amplifying it on places like Slashdot, but they didn't originate the posts. Personally I hope that MS sticks with C# and .net, it is a nice, robust ecosystem. If MS is 100% behind .net, then somehow a mis-perception is starting to erupt and they need to get on top of it.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#36993440)

If MS is 100% behind .net, then somehow a mis-perception is starting to erupt and they need to get on top of it.

Im pretty sure people on whom it actually would have an impact are well aware that the only thing with an uncertain future is Silverlight, but of course people who don't know what they're talking about for some reason assume Silverlight == .Net.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991956)

Only .NET/Mono fucktards like you who can't code in anything else are still in denial about MS dropping .NET in favor of HTML5. The writing's on the wall, you're wasting your time on a dead end technology.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36993690)

Only .NET/Mono fucktards like you who can't code in anything else are still in denial about MS dropping .NET in favor of HTML5. The writing's on the wall, you're wasting your time on a dead end technology.

lol...next up apple will drop Objective-C for SQL and Java will be abandoned in favor of Sharepoint! seriously you really think they are going to drop one thing for something completely different and unfit for purpose? only a complete retard that doesn't actually know what .Net is would make such an assertion.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990668)

No. The only people who've been saying that are spreading FUD.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990686)

Windows 8 provides a way to build certain GUI applications in HTML5 and javascript, how did you get that to "dropping .Net" ?

I just have to assume that you have no clue what .Net is.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#36992832)

Exactly MR AC, all three techs, .NET, Silverlight, and HTML 5 have their place. .NET for the backend, Silverlight for cool GUI heavy stuff like this [silveos.com] which for those that don't have Silverlight/Moonlight is an entire Web OS in a browser, and HTML 5 for quick web apps. Why everyone thinks everything has to be an "X killer" is beyond me. probably a combo of buzzword bingo and page view rankings I suppose.

As for TFA I'm sure the guys out their writing .NET code, or who have plenty of .NET code in their company are quite happy about this. One would think having more choices would be celebrated here, but I guess that isn't true unless it comes from teh Google.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990916)

aren't all the kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET in favour of HTML5 in Windows 8?

Nobody important seriously thinks they are. Some people thought that the fact that MS said some applets could be written in Javascript and HTML5 in upcoming OS releases meant that they were dropping .net. That's kind of silly.

Re:Does Anyone Care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990824)

You mean failed twice. Ximian became part of Novell before becoming Xamarin. Hopefully third swing and a miss means we can purge Miguel's Madness from our midst once and for all. Not many people in FLOSS get welcomed to leave, but Miguel's worked hard to be held in as much disdain as he is.

God.. please... (-1, Offtopic)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990130)

Nooooooooo...

Re:God.. please... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990470)

Is this an omen suggesting that the Zombie Apocalypse is upon us? Or is that Duke Nukem, I'm so confused.

Kudos (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990168)

Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

Re:Kudos (1)

SiggyTheViking (890997) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990386)

Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

Why are you so rude to me, just because I hate zealots?

And yes, kudos to the devs from this c# monkey.

Re:Kudos (2)

Samuraid (824799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36992820)

Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

Aye! Protoss, all the way!
But in all seriousness...as a C# developer, I've spent the morning despairing about Windows 8's seeming lack of .NET support. This news is a small, but welcome, glimmer of hope. Kudos to Xamarin for striving to give .NET the platform support and reach that Microsoft never gave.

Re:Kudos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36993416)

An Ars article about the rise in prominence of .NET in Windows 8 compared to 7:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/windows-8-for-software-developers-the-longhorn-dream-reborn.ars

Re:Kudos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36993464)

Windows 8 in no way lacks .NET support. In fact .NET will be more supported than in any previous OS. Don't believe the FUD.

Re:Kudos (1)

garatheus (993376) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994700)

Yeah, aren't they including more of the research being done on their research labs' Singularity [wikipedia.org] project? Writing a full OS in [mostly] managed code?

Not sure when these kinds of projects will ever really see the light of day, but to say .NET is dead / dying is probably a bit near-sighted...

Re:Kudos (1)

Samuraid (824799) | more than 3 years ago | (#36998300)

I don't believe the FUD. There's a big difference between "seeming lack of", and actual "lack of". Microsoft has simply not discussed .NET support. Hopefully the discussions at //build/ will elucidate Microsoft's plans and resolve any uncertainty.

Re:Kudos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36994742)

Can you let me know where Microsoft said Windows 8 will have a "lack of .NET support"? .NET is going absolutely nowhere; the use of HTML5 for web-widgets isn't going to change that.

Menus? Nah, We've got The Ribbon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990192)

I'm eagerly awaiting Xamarin's release of their "ribbon" framework for Linux.

I got mono back in high school. (-1, Offtopic)

jbarr (2233) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990222)

And I was sick for about a month. Not my idea of fun.

Re:I got mono back in high school. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991352)

Novell had it longer ... and didn't survive.

"Proof of Life" (3, Informative)

XanC (644172) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990242)

This "Proof of Life" headline being folded up right next to the Mars announcement got me briefly very excited.

Re:"Proof of Life" (2)

eparker05 (1738842) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990334)

I think people voted this article up just to plant the suggestion.

Re:"Proof of Life" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990420)

I don't know anything about Mono but I came in here hoping to make this post.

Re:"Proof of Life" (0)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990826)

What does it tell you that there's more evidence of life in Mono than on Mars?

failzo8hs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990260)

as 0ne oF the [goat.cx]

Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990338)

...what the hell is Mono?

Re:Let me be the first to say... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990394)

It's .NET for freetards.

Re:Let me be the first to say... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990466)

It's what you get from kissing your boyfriend instead of sucking his dick. Mono [wikipedia.org] .

Gold jacket, green jacket... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990444)

Who gives a shit?

Just so you know. (2)

Dragonshed (206590) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990456)

Yes, someone cares.

Other useful answers include:
Yes, someone still builds (good) products in C#.
Yes, .net on mobile is actually useful.
Yes, this thing has legs.

Re:Just so you know. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990558)

Translation: I care because I learned C#

Re:Just so you know. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990578)

+1 funny for satire. Or at least I assume you are trying to be funny. Otherwise you are just sad.

Re:Just so you know. (2)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991436)

Actually, I don't think he is. Unity3D [unity3d.com] is a pretty popular cross-platform game development environment. Guess what? It uses Mono for game scripting. Just because you can't think of a use for a tool doesn't mean there is no use for a tool.

LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990460)

OLOL

Mono sucks

Java killer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990546)

This would be an excellent opportunity for Miguel and his team to throw out Mono and write something out of the blue that will knock off Java and .NET. The world is waiting to be freed.

Xamarin's First Moon - Proof of Life! (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990602)

at least that is what i thought it said

Well *I* care!!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36990764)

I love C#, i have coded in numerous languages over the years (Basic, Pascal, COBOL, C, C++, Java, C#, JavaScript probably more i've forgotten) but for me C# is the cleanest and best thought-out. Yes, it was a rip-off of Java, but lets face it, Microsoft fixed and improved some of the shitness with Java!

The only thing I didn't like was being locked into a Windows platform, and guess what.. Mono fixes that!

So good luck to them, and long live Mono!

Re:Well *I* care!!! (2)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991040)

I agree, C# is a nicely designed language. I just don't see Mono ever gaining traction, though. Most C# .NET applications are a pain to port over, because there are some APIs that will always be missing... and I don't foresee many developers using it to write Linux-specific applications. .Net fills a niche in Windows, but I don't really see that niche in Linux.

Re:Well *I* care!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991428)

+1. I spent months with cognitive dissonance about using c# vs java. Do I use something with many good implementations? (Java), or the cooler language C# but which only has one not-quite-perfect cross-platform implementation (Mono) which isn't even free on the mobile platforms where it could have sold me. Now, after being forced to use Java for android development, i'm in love with it. Java isn't perfect, but it's good enough.. a strong object-oriented programming language with loads of libraries, and implementations on every major platform, and free to use on mobiles too..
Once you take your aspergers hat off and put your business hat on, you realize the availability and features of the end product itself is way more important than what you use to build it. Anything you can build with C# you can build with Java, as far as things appear to the user.

Re:Well *I* care!!! (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991494)

It seemed like there was more momentum behind Mono back when it seemed as if Sun was never seriously going to open-source Java. Now the main debate seems to be whether you prefer C# or Java (and most non-Windows programmers prefer Java because they've had no experience with C#), and whether you trust Microsoft not to sink Mono with patent claims vs. whether you trust Oracle not to sink Java into the ocean in a giant safe that only Larry Ellison knows the combination to.

Re:Well *I* care!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36992292)

Banshee, anyone?

Re:Well *I* care!!! (1)

tiedemann (214491) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994358)

For us working with web stuff there really isn't anything important missing from Mono.

Re:Well *I* care!!! (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 3 years ago | (#36995092)

Coding web stuff in Mono? Care to elaborate? What server are you using?

Re:Well *I* care!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37000634)

I'm coding my web app in C# on my Win7 laptop on .NET yet deploying to Mono on an Amazon EC2 instance (with MySql as the DB). Its an ASP.NET MVC2 web app that sits on top of my Domain layer and a DataAccess, so all access to the filesystem, database, etc is abstracted in the DataAccess layer, so I've had very little portability issues. Don't use any third party bullshit RAD tools so no compat problems there either, never seen the point when you just get locked in and most they stuff they do is braindead anyway! :-)

Re:Well *I* care!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36992156)

I like C# too. There is an awful lot to like. C# was designed by the same guy who did Delphi Pascal at Borland - in order words, the guy who took an academic language and made it useful for real programmers. C# to Java as Delphi was to Pascal - a language without a lot of hopeless ivory tower bullshit.

Re:Well *I* care!!! (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 3 years ago | (#36992824)

I like C#/.Net, but playing "catch up" on features that have been out for years is really a crippling hinderance.

Best of luck to the Mono team. I will continue trying the new releases in hopes that it matures enough to be a truly cross-platform environment.

Why the Hatred for Mono? (2)

uiucgrad (325611) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990888)

I have never really understood the hatred for Mono here on /. Like any other language it has its advantages and disadvantages. Each person or company choosing to do development takes a risk in the language / platform they decide to use. As long as that person or company feels comfortable managing those risks it seems like that should be enough.

In my years on Slashdot I have not noticed the developers of Wine being vilified in even remotely the same way as de Icaza, despite the obvious parallels.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (3, Interesting)

mla_anderson (578539) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990960)

Mostly because the site has been taken over by mindless Microsoft haters. Instead of promoting FOSS, they bash anything with a slight connection to MS (sorry M$). Mono is a really nice product and C# is really much nicer than Java, but since Mono is based on .NET and C# is from Microsoft they get castigated here.

I considered starting my kids on C#, but decided Pascal is still a better teaching language. However once they've got the basics of programming down and I want to start in on OOP I'll move them to C# on Mono (MS doesn't make .NET for my platform).

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

makomk (752139) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990988)

That and there's some surprisingly nasty patent traps in there...

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991028)

And yet Microsoft hasn't raised a single lawsuit. Now, Java, on the other hand, has been an amusing source of patents suits recently.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991078)

Why would they? Mono is a shit implementation of the .NET Framework, the amount of people using it is so small that it's insignificant to a company of their size. I can guarantee you that if Google announced that Mono was going to be the new development platform for Android phones, on the other hand, that Microsoft would break out the patent portfolio faster than Larry Ellison on a cocaine binge.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991110)

Why would they?

No clue. I'm not the one who constantly spreads FUD about how Microsoft is always imminently going to sue Linux distros out of existence for bundling Mono and Mono apps or devs for using it to create apps with.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991286)

Microsoft has made patent threats against OSS. Microsoft has funded people making lawsuits again OSS. MIcrosoft has invented lies against OSS. And you wonder why we won't touch mono or c# with a ten foot pole, and why we think Miguel is an evil little Billy G cocksuck?

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991408)

Great. Microsoft has made zero threats against Mono and has in fact done just the opposite. They've made countless promises to not sue, have had their own staff help the Mono project repeatedly and have supplied tons of documentation to them and have made agreements with Novell to cover the Mono implementation from issues. But yeah, let's keep beating the 7 year old drum of how Microsoft is imminently going to sue over patents over Mono yet has every year NOT don that. If you spread the FUD long enough it has to come true, right?

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36992848)

They have promised not to sue over the patents in the standard, anything else..... they also have a "community promise" for the rest, but only for suse Linux, so yes multiple different incomplete promises while at the same time trying to make it sound like your safe. there is no reason why you should stand over a piece of poison bate making scary noises, the only way to find out whether it is safe would be for Linux to become completely dependent on it and then see what happens, want to try that with your operating system? I do not.

This is not the only reason for the anger in this case though, a lot of people sing its pases as a better easer language, even for low level things it can not, or should not, do this has generated backlash. Also there have been a relatively large number of new, often recently ex windows or still windows, people with mono experience turning up within the on-line Linux community agitating to replace already working projects with mono rewrites. if this was not suspicios and or irritating enough their reasons where often that they really want to contribute but you should switch to mono first, on the grounds that it would be easer for new developers, or simply that mono was better. Basically telling the already existing project staff "I want your project but, you suck, your chosen language sucks, and you need to be replaced by people who agree with me, so help me make it easer for your replacements to get started" is not a good strategy to make friends even, or perhaps especially, if you do not realise that this this what you are asking for .

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

jjohn_h (674302) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994398)

>>>
They've made countless promises to not sue, have had their own staff help the Mono project repeatedly and have supplied tons of documentation to them and have made agreements with Novell to cover the Mono implementation from issues.
>>>

So they cannot sue SuSe. And they cannot sue Redhat
because Redhat does not use Mono. Whom are they going to sue if it has got to be profitable? They just need the FUD.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991570)

And you wonder why we won't touch mono or c# with a ten foot pole, and why we think Miguel is an evil little Billy G cocksuck?

I do wonder a little bit, since "Billy G" doesn't even work for that company anymore and hasn't since 2008. He sits on the board, but you would too if that many billions of dollars of your money was tied up in it.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36994302)

Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because no one gives a shit about Mono and oh, it's also a failure.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36994396)

They don't need to and you touched on it. Microsoft pays Oracle (formerly sun) a lot of money for Java patents relating to the .Net runtime. Should somebody actually look like doing something profitable with Mono I would expect Oracle to come in and demand money for the same Java patents in the way that they have vs Google as happened recently. Unfortunately this is true of almost any VM based language.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (2)

mla_anderson (578539) | more than 3 years ago | (#36991152)

I've heard this over and over but haven't actually seen hard evidence for that. The best I've seen is that the Windows Forms implementation may have patent issues. Do you have better information?

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991562)

Don't forget ado and asp.net.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#36993856)

Mostly because the site has been taken over by mindless Microsoft haters

They are not mindless. They made an educated decision based on their experience with Microsoft and other commercial software vendors.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

7-Vodka (195504) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994028)

I'll tell you what, unless you're a pre-teen, there has been plenty of evidence of microsoft being a shithead, eat-your-baby, fuck-their-friends-wife-in-the-ass type of corporation. It should be pretty clear to you by now why people hate that corporation. If you're just being obtuse, go fucking google this shit or even just hit search on this page.

The only part I really take offense in your post is that you call M$ haters mindless. We're absolutely normal people who don't have the memory of a goldfish.
And you know what? With what they have pulled and tried to pull, they deserve all this hatred for the rest of our lives. Fuck them and Fuck you for being so ignorant.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994756)

Thankyou for proving the GPs point...

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36994846)

I do not think the verb 'to prove' means what you appear to think it means.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

gottabeme (590848) | more than 3 years ago | (#37004802)

No, he didn't prove that MS-haters are mindless--he simply proved that he, himself, is rude.

There may be good people who work for Microsoft, but Microsoft, as a whole, is nothing less than evil, and has been for a long time--probably forever. Apple's not much better, nor is Amazon. I'm afraid the list goes on and on.

Microsoft has less of a dominant position in some markets than it used to have--I guess that's why fewer people seem to hate it. It's no less evil, though. It seems to me that anyone who doesn't admit Microsoft's evilness either has his head in the sand of denial, or is selfish and greedy, supporting MS because it helps his bottom line. Or, I suppose he could be ignorant and doesn't care.

Really, what justification is there for supporting Microsoft, other than scratching each others' backs?

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994262)

This is /. not c:\

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 3 years ago | (#36995130)

This is /. not c:\

The name comes from the days we would have to say "h t t p colon slash slash slashdot dot o r g". It does not come from the POSIX current directory.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36997920)

/. is the POSIX root directory. ./ is the POSIX current directory.

But yes, according to the Slashdot FAQ you are correct about the origins of the name.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 3 years ago | (#37000742)

Is the POSIX root directory not simply / ? I suppose that the extra dot would then land you right back in the same place, but you wouldn't call the POSIX root directory /. if someone asked where it was.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36994276)

That's probably because it's a piece of shit language.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994966)

Good choice for Pascal. It was oiginally created as a teaching language IIRC.

For OOP though, the terchniques are the same for C++, Java and C# so unless you want them to learn the C#/.NET specific parts (eg WPF, WCF, all the wizard generated bumpf) then or learn how to use Visual Studio, you might as well show them Java instead. The tooling should be better for your platform and I'm sure you can find better example code.

Of course, if you want to use something 'unnatural' for your platform, go for Oberon. no-one uses it, but they'll learn OO in a pascal environment. Then they can decide on a practical language when they need to.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

losinggeneration (797436) | more than 3 years ago | (#36998172)

For OOP though, the terchniques are the same for C++, Java and C# so unless you want them to learn the C#/.NET specific parts (eg WPF, WCF, all the wizard generated bumpf) then or learn how to use Visual Studio, you might as well show them Java instead. The tooling should be better for your platform and I'm sure you can find better example code.

Well, if "MS doesn't make .NET for (his) platform", Visual Studio is totally out of the question. He's most likely on a *nix; so, he'd most likely go with something like MonoDevelop (GTK#) for an IDE and one of these may be chosen for a GUI toolkit (when he eventually gets to that): http://www.mono-project.com/Gui_Toolkits [mono-project.com]

If he wants to stick with Pascal, he could also consider Oxygene [remobjects.com] which also runs on top of the CLR/Mono. This has the advantage of using all the classes already available in Mono, but with a similar syntax.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#36990980)

Apparently because Microsoft is always just around the corner from suing people for patent infringement for using Mono (lather, rinse, repeat for every year since this has yet to happen) despite all evidence to the contrary. It's funny that despite the FSF declaring that there was no longer a "Java Trap" after Sun released a GPL version, that Java is the source of patent flaming whereas Microsoft hasn't done anything but help Mono and make constant promises about not suing.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36991518)

maybe because Java is a much bigger target than Mono, and MS can make money off of threatening to sue for infringement on Linux/OSS (although, carefully we've never, NEVER, been given the opportunity to know what is infringing...)?

Put another way...
For the money, which category of action would you put money on/pick?
1. Promises not to sue
2. Actions speak louder than words

get a clue

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#36992758)

For the money, which category of action would you put money on/pick?
1. Promises not to sue
2. Actions speak louder than words

Public promises not to sue and explicit help to Mono development would lead to a clear case of Laches against Microsoft filing suit.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36992916)

Its "Community Promise" specifically and explicitly only applied to Suse Linux and had Suse specific wording throughout, if you are not using Suse you are not covered. The other promise it gave applied only to the stuff in the official standard which is a relatively small subset of the language missing many of the newer features that make it attractive and with no windows compatibility for any recent version. They only helped Suse develop and distribute it to, so both of these "Laches" do not work for the rest of the community, and are already know about anyway.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#36992710)

It's funny that despite the FSF declaring that there was no longer a "Java Trap" after Sun released a GPL version, whereas Microsoft hasn't done anything but help Mono and make constant promises about not suing.

Sun owns the Java patents (if there are any). Sun released the GPL'd Java interpreter.

Microsoft owns the .NET patents. The Mono project released the GPL'd .NET interpreter.

The Mono project is not Microsoft. Mono's users do not have Microsoft's permission to use their patented technologies if they decide to start suing people. If Microsoft gave any promises of not suing, let's see them in writing to see if they're broad enough to offer legal protection. Remember that Microsoft had planned to cripple the open-source movement by suing developers, as recorded in the Halloween documents.

Look at how Microsoft is suing Android hardware manufacturers. and imagine them suing the developers too. That's what they could do if Mono had become popular enough to underly major parts of the Linux user environment like the window manager or major system tools or a replacement for glibc and elf. The user community would have to resort to warezing -- and facing stiff fines if caught -- or going back ten years in functionality. Developers decided it was better not to expose themselves to the possibility of being caught in such a trap, and so they worked on the existing C/C++ software base.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

ElusiveJoe (1716808) | more than 3 years ago | (#36995084)

Mono is not a language.

Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#36995408)

Until Microsoft moves on to the next great thing the hate will continue. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. Screw me 3407292 times, you must be Microsoft.

Mono on Android/iOS costs $399 (each)?? (1)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | more than 3 years ago | (#36994898)

I've been folowing the mono project for years and think it is a great open source project.

However, if I want to write .net apps for Android I have to pay for the privilege?

The SDK for Android is free and fully supported yet I'm expected to $399 for mono on android?

I know the major benefit is supposed to be a "cross-platform" development environment but charging for the runtime seems a bit braindead to me!

By all means charge for the other stuff (e.g. IDE integration, support and updates) that's fair but "locking away" the runtime is a bit cheeky and limiting adoption.

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