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FOX To Host New Cosmos

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the with-nancy-cartwright-narration-please dept.

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twocows writes "FOX is set to make a new season of Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos: A Personal Voyage,' hosted by Neil Degrasse Tyson and written by none other than Ann Druyan (Carl Sagan's widow). Let's hope they don't screw it up like every other good show they've aired in the past decade."

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206 comments

How long? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37002818)

How long will it survive the flood of complaint calls about forcing evolution into peoples houses?

Re:How long? (3, Interesting)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002852)

Given this is Fox, they will most likely attempt to avoid evolution as much as humanly possible, or present "other theories" along with it.

Re:How long? (3, Funny)

680x0 (467210) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002914)

And Venus will be a paradise planet according to them, because CO2 couldn't possible cause it to be hotter than Mercury. :-)

Re:How long? (1, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004144)

Well to be "fair and balanced" last I heard Mars temps have gone up too, and I don't think they have much CO2. while I'm all for cutting down on pollution (as long as it isn't cap & trade, which is just another big scam where "preferential companies" will get carbon credits handed to them and the rest of us get fucked) as we saw here in that article the other day where the temps and the models aren't lining up I think we need a little more work before we head down a path that will take wealth from billions and hand it to a handful.

As for TFA as long as it has Neil Degrasse Tyson it will probably be quite good. I've watched several lectures of his and he really seems to have a knack for explaining pretty complex concepts without "dumbing down" the information being presented. Quite entertaining, of course that was one of the great gifts of Sagan as well, probably while they chose Tyson in the first place. I personally can't wait to see it as Cosmos was one of my favorite shows when I was a kid and to have a new generation brought up with Cosmos sounds like a damned fine idea to me.

Re:How long? (5, Insightful)

jbonomi (1839286) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003002)

Fox and Fox News have always been very different.

Re:How long? (0, Flamebait)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003032)

Should be a short voyage since they know the world is flat. Either that or it will come to a rather abrupt ending...

"FOX is set to make a new season of Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos: A Personal Voyage,

Re:How long? (3, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003476)

Fox and Fox News have always been very different.

One is the tanker car full of manure and the other is the maglev that pulls the bullshit train.

I'm comfortable refusing to give my money to both, especially since anything they make that is of interest can be obtained free of charge and commercial free.

How you like me now, Rupe?

Re:How long? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003566)

Blah, Blah. Blah. STFU Panty Waist....

Re:How long? (2)

sub67 (979309) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003584)

How you like me now, Rupe?

He's probably not too fond of you but I bet he'd love your voicemail.

Re:How long? (4, Insightful)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003762)

Ive seen Neil Degrasse Tyson before and follow him quite a bit. He will NOT go for this. If they try to make him, he will just stop hosting the show.

Re:How long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003376)

You do know that FOX stations/affiliates typically carried Star Trek, right?

Re:How long? (3, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003462)

Billions and Billions of years.

Re:How long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003692)

Ohh, they'll likely just copyright the "Sagan's Evolution Series", then take anyone uttering the word "evolution" to court.

Re:How long? Settle down there... (1, Insightful)

SteveW928 (2030878) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003846)

It isn't the Christians who have placed the gag-order on what constitutes scientific inquiry. It is the materialists who seem to not feel their arguments are up to the challenge of being questioned!

We just have to trust NDT (5, Insightful)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002870)

Probably like most people here, my initial reaction was to wonder why the hell an organization that hates science and rational thought is hosting Cosmos, and more importantly, whether they'll turn it into a soapbox for god-knows-what. If Neil Degrasse Tyson is on board though, I'm a little less worried. That man doesn't take any bullshit, and if Fox tries to muscle him into anything, he's going to walk away. That can be your canary in the coal mine to see if the show is worth watching.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (2)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003068)

From the article: "The deal with Fox is reportedly due to MacFarlane’s long-running relationship with 20th Century Fox, which helped him create the Family Guy franchise."

I think we're talking about the entertainment channel and not the propaganda/entertainment channel. Like you, I'm hoping Degrasse Tyson properly 'informs' the show. If it's one thing our society needs it's a good, strong shot-in-the-arm of scientific appreciation.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003204)

They're under the same umbrella, but you do have a point.

FOXNEWS wants to get people in with propaganda and..."creative" truths.

FOX the entertainment channel wants people to watch with as much entertaining TV as possible. They'll broadcast a special of religion RIGHT NEXT TO a special about atheism if they thought it would get more viewers.

Ah, capitalism. Sometimes you smell so good.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003380)

"A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with" - V. I. Lenin

Re:We just have to trust NDT (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003294)

From the article: "The deal with Fox is reportedly due to MacFarlaneâ(TM)s long-running relationship with 20th Century Fox, which helped him create the Family Guy franchise."

You mean the show that had this version of Cosmos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_OehRLH3s [youtube.com] I suppose that's okay then, because Mt. Dew is the best soda everï made. Throwback Dew if you're a Fundamentalist Dew-head.

MacFarlane talks about that aspect of Fox (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004192)

On one of the Family Guy DVD extras, he answers a fan question about the politics of the show and Fox. He explains that Fox Broadcasting and Fox News are run very separate, and that Fox in total is a massive company. So massive that he, one of their rather big name creators, has never met Murdoch. He said that in the entertainment division, what they care about is people watching a show. If the show gets viewers and sells ads, that's all that matters there are not concerns with the political content.

Makes sense too. Fox News is what it is because people want to hear that narrative. They have to maintain their slant because that is precisely why they have the viewers they do. They have people who desire to hear that and (sometimes I think even more) people who listen to make themselves angry at what "the other guy" is saying. So they do it for ratings.

Well their entertainment branch, the regular Fox stations, are the same, except they don't have a narrative because it is entertainment. They want to give people what they want, which for the entertainment side is often very different. It is a different set of viewers for different programs.

Hence they are fine with MacFarlane. His show brings in viewers, probably not the same ones as Fox News but that doesn't matter. Even better for that matter, the Fox News viewers can watch that while the Family guy viewers watch that and Fox gets more money.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (2)

samkass (174571) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003120)

Sarah Palin hosting a Discovery show and Neil Degrasse Tyson on FOX. What's going on??

Re:We just have to trust NDT (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003834)

Sarah Palin hosting a Discovery show and Neil Degrasse Tyson on FOX. What's going on??

The end is nigh!! 2012 is here!

Re:We just have to trust NDT (4, Informative)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003450)

The man said it best himself.
http://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/99600564995887104 [twitter.com]

"Simple Logic: Worried that FOX viewers don't know, think, or care about science? That's why COSMOS belongs on FOX."

and he's right. if anyone can spark an interest in science it's Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.

If you can't bring yourself to tune into Fox
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=139033386 [npr.org]
National Geographic Channel will air a same-night encore of the episodes following their broadcast on Fox.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003500)

Relevant tweet from NDT himself:

Simple Logic: Worried that FOX viewers don't know, think, or care about science? That's why COSMOS belongs on FOX.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (5, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003706)

Probably like most people here, my initial reaction was to wonder why the hell an organization that hates science and rational thought is hosting Cosmos, and more importantly, whether they'll turn it into a soapbox for god-knows-what. If Neil Degrasse Tyson is on board though, I'm a little less worried. That man doesn't take any bullshit, and if Fox tries to muscle him into anything, he's going to walk away. That can be your canary in the coal mine to see if the show is worth watching.

Like someone else mentioned, the Fox that airs Family Guy, The Simpsons and formerly Married with Children is not the same as FoxNews that airs Bill O'reilly, Sean Hannity and formerly Glenn Beck. I guess it's true that ignorance is the base bigotry. The sad part is, you don't even know who to hate.

You are like General Custer hating Gandhi because he was an Indian.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (2, Interesting)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003866)

You are like General Custer hating Gandhi because he was an Indian.

It should be noted that General Custer did NOT hate Indians. He rather admired them, actually. Alas, his job didn't care whether he liked them or not, he still had to protect the "settlers" (yes, even when the settlers were doing illegal things).

Of course, this was the period of the "noble savage" concept, which automagically made Indians kind of cool to people who had never encountered them.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003894)

No, I think most rational people know the difference and don't agree with you at all. Besides, have you watched the garbage spewed out on most broadcast and cable channels? It's not just Fox News that is blathering on 24 hours a day. It's not just Fox broadcast TV that shows alien autopsies. There's a bunch of anti-science and a lot of it comes from the left-wing if you're paying attention. It's not just right-wing jesus freaks and muhammad ass worshipers. Reason and rational thought go out the window once someone becomes reactionary or radical.

The statists and the religious nuts can all just shove it up their cornholes.

Re:We just have to trust NDT (3, Insightful)

enormouspenis (741718) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004294)

You are, without question, the most breathtakingly stupid poster I have ever read in all my years at /.. Congratulations. You are proof that God exists; Nature and evolution alone would never allow your parents and you to survive this long.

Be Afraid (1)

tj2 (54604) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002880)

Be very, very afraid....

10 - No! (0)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002886)

20 goto 10

If Carl Sagan were alive, and knew what FOX was all about these days, he would never agree to having his show re-made. Its cool - yes. Its needed - yes. Will it have more than 2 episodes, or will tthey dumb it down to the masses?

For those guys out there with a girlfriend from ages 20-28 (a large FOX demographic, ask them to watch the original Cosmos. Consider yourself a lucky man if you have a woman that can watch more than 15 minutes, understands it, and wants to watch the next episode.

http://www.hulu.com/cosmos

On second thought (2)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002944)

Sagan would absolutely want it played to the masses if it would educate. Just being on fox makes me cringe though - even though seth macfarlane is the producer - which is really cool. :D

Re:On second thought (1)

Stupendoussteve (891822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003882)

Ah yes, Seth MacFarlane... I can see it now:

If you want to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe... like that one time I went golfing with Barack Obama and Derek Jeter! (Cue random clip of the previous)

Re:10 - No! (3, Insightful)

beadfulthings (975812) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003088)

Well, then I suppose my spouse must have been a lucky man, since we watched every episode together, purchased and read the book, and sought out Sagan's various works of science fiction. Our children were a little young to have benefitted from the original airing of the series, and I don't recall whether they ever saw it in reruns. But both of them read and enjoyed our small collection of books by Sagan. And I'd have to assert that we weren't the only young couple watching and enjoying the series together.

Sagan was a confirmed atheist, and there's no way I can see that Fox will be able to do an honest job of this. I hope Ann Druyan is maintaining some sort of control.

As for me, my husband died last month. I take a great deal of comfort in Sagan's assertion, which I can still hear clearly in my memory, that "we are made of star-stuff."

Re:10 - No! (1)

MSJos (663361) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003144)

My condolences for your loss, beadfulthings.

Re:10 - No! (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003528)

I don't think you have to worry about Fox trying to steer the show.. I don't think Dr Tyson will stand for any crap, and I suspect Ann Druyan will be involved or at least had to approve the pitch to redo the series.

Re:10 - No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003622)

The song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
For those of you who haven't heard it.

Re:10 - No! (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003778)

Neil Degrasse Tyson has the same spirit as Carl Sagan. Fox will not be able to push him around, as he already is one of the most successful astrophysicists of our modern era (not necessarily the brightest, but one of the most known and followed by the average person). If Fox even tried to force god into the mix, Dr. Tyson would retreat back to the Hayden Planetarium or the hundreds of other opportunities he has.

Re:10 - No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37004158)

Sorry to hear about your husband, but it sounds like you two had a grand journey together.

Without Carl (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002894)

It will suck.

Degrasse? He's great, but I really like Cox (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002910)

Brian Cox seems to have captured the awe and wonder of the universe that Carl Sagan portrayed. Maybe as I see more of Degrasse, he'll sway my opinion, but I really like Cox.

Re:Degrasse? He's great, but I really like Cox (1)

grub (11606) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002974)


I really like Brian Cox, too. In one episode of Wonders of the Universe he mentions how Carl Sagan was such a big influence on him. He's definitely passionate about science but Sagan just seemed to ooze it from every pore. Perhaps it was the weed, who knows?

But, yes, Brian Cox is excellent. For those who haven't seen Wonders of the Universe, it's highly recommended.

(I still watch the entire series of Cosmos probably once a year. Great stuff.)

Re:Degrasse? He's great, but I really like Cox (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003864)

Maybe as I see more of Degrasse, he'll sway my opinion, but I really like Cox.

We're waaay too juvenile for you to post things like that around here. ;)

Blech (-1, Flamebait)

grub (11606) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002918)


Episode 1: Creation
Episode 2: Noah's Ark
...

Re:Blech (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003752)

Episode 1: Creation
  Episode 2: Noah's Ark ...

THE IGNORANCE! IT BURNS!

FoxNews is not the same as the Fox that airs Family Guy. You are just as ignorant you claim FoxNews viewers are. The sad part is that you don't let it repeatedly proving it in public.

Just update the original (2)

Rheostatik (1628895) | more than 2 years ago | (#37002952)

I always wish they'd update the original Cosmos. Keep all of Sagan's appearances and narration, just update all the graphics. Call it Cosmos "Re-Mastered" or something.

Oh Noes! U haz ewoks on yur tablz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003342)

I think i have thoroughly had my fill of updating the past between Lucas/Spielberg and rewrites of Huck/Mockingbird. The past is the past, and to alter it to reflect the current sensibilities is to be disingenuous at best, a horrible disfiguring at worst. (I'm looking at you George 8^()

Re:Just update the original (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003540)

Simpsons already did it...

err, I mean, they sort of did update it, thought not the graphics itself... at least not based upon the info at imdb.

In 1991, Sagan taped new introductions and afterwords to mark the show's 10th anniversary. These new segments allowed him to update and correct information presented in the series.

Wikipedia mentions "Cosmos, a special edition", a shorter version which had some of the same footage, and computer graphics, in 1986, on TNT.

Re:Just update the original (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003608)

Han shot first.

Showing on Fox? (2)

Anaerin (905998) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003000)

What do you know, it's already cancelled!

One exception I can think of... (2)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003006)

screw it up like every other good show they've aired in the past decade

FOX has yet to screw up Fringe, which is one of the best shows on TV - broadcast or cable - aside from moving it to Friday nights. But since every good geek has some sort of DVR (and would be home on a Friday night anyway) that doesn't matter too much for this series.

If they screw up Fringe, though, then a pox on all their families. And a plague on their villages for good measure!

Re:One exception I can think of... (3, Interesting)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003954)

Dude, Fringe just *barely* survived; if they don't move it out of Friday night then this season is going to be its last.

Re:One exception I can think of... (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004306)

A true geek has no life to speak of on Friday, anyway!

Will they bow down to Christan extremests? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003024)

Living in the Republican Bible belt and Fox News country, I hope they don't have to say the world was created in 7 days and the Universe is only 5 thousand years old.

ID (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003054)

Cosmos, the ID edition.

Being FOX you have to wonder... (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003084)

what's their agenda? Part of me wonder if they aren't trying to increase the number of educational shows in their prime time schedule in order to weaken the argument for public television. Of course once Murdoch finally kills the corporation for public broadcasting and the public televisions, he'll be free to drop these educational shows and go back to his usual prime time crap.

I admit this seems too far fetched of a scheme to take seriously. Only Murdoch would be crazy enough to try that... o wait. ;)

Re:Being FOX you have to wonder... (1)

jbonomi (1839286) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003168)

I don't expect there to be any agenda. Fox is not run the same way Fox News Network is. The shows on Fax do not, and have never, had any sort of political agenda. A lot of people commenting here are afraid of nothing. The show is hosted by Neil DeGrasse Tyson and produced by Seth McFarlane. I don't think either of those two have much threshold for bullshit.

Re:Being FOX you have to wonder... (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003666)

have you ever seen some of the shit they show on Fox late night.. some of those shows go totally against the news organization's slant... besides, NatGeo will will rebroadcast on the same night. I have a lot of respect for NatGeo.

There's a lot of anti-evolution comments in this post (obviously meant to be jokes) but I think that's kind of insulting to Dr. Tyson. He would NEVER cave to that kind of thing... and Ann Druyan (assuming she still has some rights to COSMOS) would would only grant permission if they promised to maintain the spirit of the original

Carl Sagan's influence on Neil Tyson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imS6H1JAkGY [youtube.com]

Oh, Lord... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003122)

How long until the universe is only 6 thousand years old, Earth Centered, and created by the head of the Republican Party in 6 days?

Don't mind me. I'm just whining, not really expecting that, especially since Fox is not Fox News. But, I would expect to start hearing a whole lot of "Isn't god's creation wonderful!?!" lines that beg the question. Talk about soul sucking...

And, don't start with the "but the democrats..." shit. I already know. Just let me bitch ya little toadies.

all this slanted commentary... (2)

knacky805 (2430636) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003126)

Wow, sure is Digg in here.

Don't worry about it being Fox - (1)

DrBuzzo (913503) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003130)

It's not a big deal. Fox is a media company with very broad focus. They air sports, The Simpsons and Family Guy (both of which took some shots at Fox News) and plenty of other things. Fox is part of Newscorp, which admittedly has some pretty conservative-leaning news coverage on their Fox News Channel, but that's not exactly the same as Fox. There's some level of independence to the station management. More importantly, for a major network, ratings are more important than ideology.

I expect it will be good. It won't have Carl Sagan. It won't be the same. Style will probably be different to some extent. It will be a new take, but with the same name.

I expect it will be good because I know Dr. Tyson and he's really about the perfect choice for this. He's a big skeptic and won't let it degenerate to anything less than inspiring and very science savvy content. He's the perfect man for the job.

ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (4, Insightful)

ctmurray (1475885) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003152)

Remember when Fox Business News was booed while filming in Madison WI during the legislative walkout? And the reporter being booed said "This is Fox Business not Fox News". Somehow in FOXlandia there is a distinction.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (-1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003210)

Both are owned by the extreme right-wing and criminal Newscorp. That they try to cultivate multiple brand images is more a sign of a corporate personality problem than it is of unbiased functionality.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (1)

ctmurray (1475885) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003290)

Which is why the crowd laughed when the Fox Business reporter made that declaration.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003784)

Isn't that a bit like saying that ICE,IRS,NSA,FBI and USPS workers are all the same? I sure as hell am not worried when a USPS worker shows up at my door in the middle of the afternoon. The others might give a lot of concern to some people if they were to knock on your door mid afternoon.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (1, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003814)

Both are owned by the extreme right-wing and criminal Newscorp. That they try to cultivate multiple brand images is more a sign of a corporate personality problem than it is of unbiased functionality.

You do realize that Murdoch supported Hillary Clinton, right? You do realize that Fox is NOT FoxNews, right? Murdoch is a business man. His only agenda is making a profit, which is what businesses are supposed to do. Murdoch looked at the news landscape and realized that it was dominated by left wingers and slanted far to the right of the American public. So, he created a news network that is right of center, but one that still presents both sides of the political spectrum. What do you know... Fox News is the number 1 cable news channel and has been since shortly after its creation. Why? Because Murdoch found that a majority of the population was not represented in news coverage. He grabbed them up and left all the rest to fight over the minority of what is left.

Excuse me. I don't mean to embarrass you, but your ignorance is showing.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003888)

"You do realize that Murdoch supported Hillary Clinton, right?"

I am sure he has his reasons. That changes nothing I said.

"You do realize that Fox is NOT FoxNews, right?"

Fox News however is Fox. So is the Sun, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, and of course so was the News of the World. Notice a pattern? About the only case of extreme-right tabloid trash that doesn't have the Newscorp name on it is the Daily Mail.

"Because Murdoch found that a majority of the population was not represented in news coverage. He grabbed them up and left all the rest to fight over the minority of what is left."

Actually, Murdoch found a similar group of ignorant nationalists as he did in Britain, who could be fed hate and misinformation so long as it agreed with their preconceived notions, and they would keep watching. Fox News is a tabloid news channel. If Murdoch has any claims to fame, it is that artful bridging of unabashed misinformation with TV News.

"Excuse me. I don't mean to embarrass you, but your ignorance is showing."

Please, educate yourself and read about his activities in Britain before Fox News ever existed before spouting off. It shows your own bias and lack of critical thinking skills.

Re:ITS FOX not FOX NEWS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003942)

Yeah, that was in Madison Wisconsin. Not exactly representative of sane political opinion in the country.
Uff.. Why can't people here of all places simply react positively to the promise of something decent to watch on TV? Why does it matter one whit if it's on Fox or not?

Billions and Billions (1)

RedDeadThumb (1826340) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003180)

"There are billions and billions of planets. And Pluto isn't one of them."

Re:Billions and Billions (1)

braindrainbahrain (874202) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003312)

He He, good quote. Neil deGrasse Tyson explained the Pluto story very well in this Nova episode: http://video.pbs.org/video/1425502261/ [pbs.org]

Re:Billions and Billions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003354)

Even though I dont begrudge Neil, I still like the term 'smirking Pluto killer'

Fox != Fox News (3, Insightful)

Pete Venkman (1659965) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003202)

Fox is not Fox News channel. Knee-jerk anyone? BTW, Fox News channel exists because people want to fucking hear what they say. Love it or hate it, you have to share the planet with people that watch it and enjoy it too.

Carl Sagan's Cosmos is a great show and I'm sure any attempt to recreate some of that brand of awesome will be commendable. You know, Carl Sagan wrote in his book "The Demon-Haunted World" that people shouldn't be silenced just because you don't agree with them. Use reason, not emotion. We are all humans, let's start to prove it.

Re:Fox != Fox News (2)

thestudio_bob (894258) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003306)

BTW, Fox News channel exists because people want to fucking hear what they say. Love it or hate it, you have to share the planet with people that watch it and enjoy it too.

Thank you. I've been telling this to both Democrats and Republicans alike for the past few years. It's like they don't realize that there's people on this planet that are never, and I mean NEVER, going to see their point of view. A farmer in the midwest is not going to get a New Yorker's point of view and visa versa. But they both need to realize that the other one exists and make compromises.

Re:Fox != Fox News (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003950)

This is not correct, and Sagan would not agree. Sagan spent his whole life trying to fight the forces of superstition and disinformation. In recent years, Fox News has caused "Fair and Balanced" to come to mean bowing to treat conservative viewpoints as equal even when their arguments can be proved factually wrong. Sagan not only wouldn't have approved of Fox News, but many people would be surprised as he would likely be very terse on that issue. We do not need to sugar coat the truth. Fox News is an Orwellian attempt to control public discourse, it is not a fair and balanced viewpoint. Sagan would have had much stronger words than this.

Re:Fox != Fox News (0)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003456)

I don't hate the people who watch Fox. I hate Fox for poisoning them. Their minds are corrupted by the endless stream of lies that they ingest day in and day out. They're incapable of making rational decisions as a result, because it is impossible to come to a correct conclusion when your premises are lies. This meme that the truth is always in the middle, and that we have to treat every position as equally valid is tremendously harmful to society.

I don't care that Fox is a separate channel from Fox News. It's the same company, and that company happens to be the single largest and most influential source of evil in the modern world. If you think I'd give them a dime, you are sorely mistaken.

If I really want to watch the show, I'll pirate it.

Re:Fox != Fox News (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003812)

I know you cannot rationalize this.... but I am a huge Carl Sagan -Cosmos fan and a Fox News Fan.

I get plenty of left wing media from traditional sources.... Fox gives us diversity.

I can be conservative and agnostic, love science and fiscal responsibility and capitalism.

Re:Fox != Fox News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003948)

And you and the network you watch have a direct line to the TRUTH, right?

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Re:Fox != Fox News (1)

Pete Venkman (1659965) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004168)

I'm not saying treat every position as equally valid. I didn't say that. I paraphrased Carl Sagan's words about using reason to prove our points. I didn't say that people that are wrong are still right because every opinion is valid, I was trying to say that even if people watch Fox News because they like it, we can't just say "FOX NEWS sucks and people that watch it are idiots!" because that's as irrational as what we might find wrong with Fox News. Do you understand?

Re:Fox != Fox News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003662)

Fox news is part of Fox Channel not the other way around. They are right wing because they are part of a right wing network. The amazing thing is they don't really make a secret of it. I don't think it's necessary to give them the benefit of the doubt since they are so consistent in their right wing stance.

Re:Fox != Fox News (2)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003788)

Fox is not Fox News channel. Knee-jerk anyone? BTW, Fox News channel exists because people want to fucking hear what they say. Love it or hate it, you have to share the planet with people that watch it and enjoy it too.

Even so, a news organization has an ethical obligation to speak the truth, and they really exaggerate it. Fox by far is the worst of any news organization out there short of tabloids when it comes to stretching the truth and outright lying.

Re:Fox != Fox News (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003896)

Fox is not Fox News channel. Knee-jerk anyone? BTW, Fox News channel exists because people want to fucking hear what they say. Love it or hate it, you have to share the planet with people that watch it and enjoy it too.

Why would Fox risk being associated with the controversial FoxNews? It's a poor business decision.

Are those who like FoxNews really increasing consumption of Fox products enough to counteract those who despise FoxNews and may thus shun the "Fox" umbrella name?

Re:Fox != Fox News (3)

twocows (1216842) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003906)

Sorry, but they ruined Firefly. I won't forgive them for that.

Re:Fox != Fox News (4, Insightful)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003978)

I think the concern is less about politics and more about dumbing it down, fucking it up, or cancelling it. Have you seen network television lately?

Where did that come from? (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004122)

While you are completely correct, they are not the same and Fox Broadcasting doesn't give two shits what the politics of a show are if it is popular, that was not the point. The point is they've killed a to of great shows by through all sorts of mismanagement (like fucking around with time slots continually, playing episodes out of sequence and so on).

The one most geeks will think of is Firefly, which really was a great show to watch and probably would have had a long run but was badly mishandled. There's more though, Futurama is a hell of a show, some of the best voice acting I've ever seen on an animated show. Groening knew the Simpsons was getting long in the tooth and made Futurama to refresh it, but rather than using the Simpsons as either a leader or trailer for it, Fox shifted it all around and killed it off in the end. I could never find it on TV, they kept screwing with it.

Family Guy is another. Show was actually fairly popular but they decided to can it for some reason. Then they were "amazed" by the DVD sales and fortunately for them, the cast and crew were willing to come back and it is still going.

That is the reason for the criticism. Fox seems to like to buy the rights for good properties, and then fuck them up. I saw nothing in there about Fox News.

Re:Where did that come from? (1)

Pete Venkman (1659965) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004152)

I'm talking about the comments. Who reads articles on slashdot?

Could be cool... (1)

thestudio_bob (894258) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003254)

I remember a friend let me borrow the "Cosmos" book and I've been hooked into science ever since. I like Neil Degrasse Tyson (Except for the whole Pluto thing and making fun of Dr. McKay).

I hope they do it justice.

Neil Degrasse Tyson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003256)

I'm not complaining, but I can't think of another astronomer who has hosted a show about astronomy in the last 10 years besides this guy.

Re:Neil Degrasse Tyson (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003734)

Why are we here? Where do we come from? These are the most enduring of questions. And it's an essential part of human nature to want to find the answers.
We can trace our ancestry back hundreds of thousands of years to the dawn of humankind. But in reality, our story extends far, further back in time. Our story starts with the beginning of the universe. It began 13.7 billion years ago, and today, it's filled with over a hundred billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of billions of stars.

In this series, I want to tell that story, because ultimately, we are part of the universe, so its story is our story.

Wonders of the Universe (Professor Bian Cox works at the LHC - so he's not an astronomer, but his shows are pretty god damn good)

Not the same without Mr. X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003296)

Cosmos was special because Sagan was willing to get deep and a little weird in ways that only a highly respected astronomer could do without stoking suspicion that he was on something. Neil Degrasse Tyson is also fun to watch, but I don't think he can talk about one of his crazy dreams like Sagan could.

Re:Not the same without Mr. X (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003358)

The thing is he really WAS on something....

"FOX" and "new Cosmos" made me do a double-take. (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003368)

However, "Neil deGrasse Tyson" made me do a spit-take.

I actually only learned about Cosmos when the Science Channel showed it with many re-done graphics, but also with enough cuts that I like the DVD version from the 1990s. I would show that version as-is, or I would splice in some of the updated visuals from the Science Channel airings, except that I would re-do the updates that were already appended to most episodes on the DVD version.

And yes, as (I think) someone above said, Brian Cox has a much more Sagan-like delivery than Tyson. Cox's new program feels like Cosmos, though I don't know enough about him to know whether he would dare to make the kind of strong claims Sagan did without being overly confrontational.

Typo (1)

ToasterBox (1617969) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003432)

I think you mean Ann Druyan. With an N at the end.

PR Job, nothing else (1, Troll)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003478)

This is just a PR job for Newscorp. Some of us will be quite satisfied when Newscorp becomes Newscorpse, until then boycott them and all their affiliates.

Re:PR Job, nothing else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003612)

Oh, totally PR. The Times had a distinct change of tone when Newscorp was busted. It's like they were going out of their way to report straight journalism and *gasp* be kind to people on welfare. That must chaff.

Re:PR Job, nothing else (2)

Tulsa_Time (2430696) | more than 2 years ago | (#37004108)

"An Atheist voting Republican is like a Jew voting for Hitler." That would imply that Republicans killed six million atheists in gas chambers... you lose credibility and sound ignorant.

Given that Tyson is on it (2)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003510)

I hope he doesn't go and whore up black holes yet again. (Oh well, at least he's not as bad as Michio Kaku)

Glad to hear it will be on fox (4, Insightful)

mattmarlowe (694498) | more than 2 years ago | (#37003818)

If it was on PBS, I'd be worried that it would be biased.....

I give up even trying to watch charlie rose on pbs these days....... whenever reporters are brought in to discuss current events, there are always 2 from the editorial wing of the new york times, and 3 from other left leaning news outlets and the conversation always goes around to complaining about tea partiers.

I used to watch frontline, newshour, and other shows on pbs and the BBC....haven't been able to for the last 10 years, especially as even the science shows are no longer willing to consider all sides of an argument, and the bias is as much in what issues are covered as in the content and who they consult as experts. Pretty much ever since gore lost the election, and the AP decided that that fair fact based reporting wasn't informing voters properly, the closest I've found to fair reporting is the wall street journal (assuming you skip the editorial pages) and focus just on the news.

Fox also isn't that bad in the sense that they actually are open about their biases.....CNN/etc not so much.

Yeah, they'll screw it up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37003878)

All through the series, Neil D. Tyson will wear a black turtle neck ...along with a Shaft-style leather jacket. Instead of using the spaceship of the IMAGINATION, he'll use the ipad of the IMAGINATION. All of that enviro-whining, vangelis muzack, and proto-new-age religiosity will be replaced with cool jazz and annoying CGI. It'll be fricking terrible and all the PBS devotees will turn away in horror and switch over evening reruns of Sesame Street.

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