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Apple Sued Over OS X Quick Boot

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the the-rms-says-patents-are-baaaad dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "With a patent originally owned by LG in tow, a Florida based company called Operating Systems Solutions LLC recently filed suit against Apple claiming that OS X's use of quick booting infringes the aforementioned patent." The company in question is a bit suspicious — having formed very recently — and so others are speculating it was created for a proxy battle against Apple by LG.

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Just sayin' (1, Funny)

ThisIsSaei (2397758) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037916)

They should try this case in Germany.

Re:Just sayin' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37037972)

And could you tell us why?

Re:Just sayin' (2)

shellbeach (610559) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038966)

I think he's trying to say that they who live by the sword, die by the sword ...

Re:Just sayin' (2)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039254)

I think he's trying to say that they who live by the sword, die by the sword ...

We can do that? Man, that beats paying lawyers, unless...
you probably have to use lawyers to deploy the sword...

Enough is enough Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37037924)

Cease and desist!
I have a patent on reporting on patent infringement stories about patents that are infringed upon by infringers that also have patents but not patents that relate to the patent infrgined upon.

Stupid Apples (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37037932)

Apple must get rid of autoexec.bat soon!!!

These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (4, Informative)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037954)

These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand.

Everyone is suing everyone else, minimal innovation is happening and when it does it's from some upstart who gets buried the moment it makes a press release.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (4, Insightful)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037974)

These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand.

You make it sound like they weren't _already_ out of hand.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0, Troll)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037998)

Well, Apple is getting taste of their own medicine now. and suddenly, its "out of control!!!!".

Fuck them appholes. For once I am in favor of valid/invalid lawsuits. They started it and none deserves it more than them right now.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (3, Informative)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038010)

Taste of their own medicine? I take it you completely forgot about Nokia suing them, and Kodak before that? Or how about the company that sued them on the basis of the iPod's playlist?

To say that "Apple started it!" is extremely childish and naive.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (2)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038032)

Gonna go get my popcorn and watch the whole thing implode.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038064)

It is starting to look more like that episode of South Park, with the case of Everyone vs. Everyone.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038066)

To the best of my knowledge, Kodak & Nokia were suing regarding hardware patents, not 'look and feel' bullshit or software patents as Apple has been doing lately.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (4, Insightful)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038166)

Everyone slings patent shit around. Kodak had basically patented putting an LCD on a camera and using that instead of a viewfinder, an idea that had certainly been around prior to Kodak's patent and had possibly been implemented before then, too. I'd have to go back and check. Yes, Apple is slinging stupid patent crap around. So is LG. So are just about all the major players in the industry, and everyone needs to knock it the hell off. Google is about the only one who hasn't gone willy-nilly with patents as they seem more interested in violating them than attacking with them.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039038)

stupid new layout - tried to mod "underrated" and the damn thing did Overrated - posting to clear

but i fully agree - the lawsuits are just stupid.. only people making money are the lawyers

Take Steve Jobs' dick out of your ass first... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038544)

Now take Steve Jobs' dick out of your ass, sit down and listen - Nokia sued them because Apple refused to pay them what they deserved and everybody else except for Apple agreed on.

Re:Take Steve Jobs' dick out of your ass first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37039426)

No, Nokia sued them because they really wanted to cross license Apple's multi-touch patents and had refused to give Apple the same licensing terms they give everyone else. Apple didn't want that arrangement and so lawsuits ensued. Apple would have been more than happy to pay the same licensing fees that everyone else pays.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038100)

At least Apple do their own suing without creating patent troll companies to do it for them. If it is true LG are behind this, the modus operandi is more like Microsoft than Apple. Anyway I couldn't care less, this is simply the way in which business is done these days it's no longer newsworthy.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038252)

the modus operandi is more like Microsoft than Apple

Is there a difference anymore? My initial reaction when I read this was almost exactly the same as when I read about Eolas' suit against Microsoft: "I still hope the patent troll fails and gets slapped down, but it's a close run thing."

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1, Funny)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038484)

Wait.............I thought Apple WAS a patent troll company that just occasionally sells some Samsung hardware? =p

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038232)

Started what? Apple gets sued by patent trolls continuously and has for decades. Apple defends IP used in shipping products. There is more then a slight difference.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (2, Insightful)

Phleg (523632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038248)

Apple single-handedly made tablets and smartphones into the products you recognize today. Before Apple, we had products like this [mobileguerilla.com] and this [tradenote.net]. Suddenly, post-iPhone, we have this [slashgear.com] and this [blogcdn.com].

I'm no fan of patents, but this is the exact sort of innovation the patent system was designed to protect in the first place. Regardless of the particular patents Apple has chosen to fight with in these battles, can't reasonable people agree that Apple ought to have some protection on their R&D investments?

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038354)

Apple single-handedly made tablets and smartphones into the products you recognize today.

...filed under category "self-serving exaggeration".

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (3, Insightful)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038462)

...filed under category "self-serving exaggeration"

True, but it's not exaggerated by much.

Yes, other companies had the technology to make iPad/iPhone style products before Apple did theirs. It's telling, however, that none of them actually came out with such a product until after they had seen the iPhone/iPad's example. Until then, the tablet companies all thought that simply installing Windows on a tablet PC was sufficient, and all the smartphone companies.... well, the less said about them, the better.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038802)

It's telling, however, that none of them actually came out with such a product until after they had seen the iPhone/iPad's example.

Except that they *did*. I refer you to the LG Prada phone.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37039008)

The LG Prada was announced December 12, 2006 and came out May 2007. Apple showed the iPhone January 9th 2007 and released it June 29th 2007.

To go from seeing the Prada in December to a workable prototype iPhone in less than a month would be very difficult. Apparently the Prada did win an award in Sept. 2006, but even if someone from Apple saw it then, that's still a huge leap to think Apple could design the iPhone and write iOS up enough to show it in Jan 2007.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

victorhooi (830021) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039244)

heya,

Yes, but you're saying "Oh, the products may be similar, but they DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO COPY IT!".

Oh please.

This might be semantics, but the way I understand it, Apple isn't saying explicitly that Samsung took an iPad or iPhone and copied it - but that they infringe their patents because they're too similar.

It doesn't matter if Samsung did a complete clean-room implementation, the mere similarity of the two products is apparently somehow enough to stop them from selling it. And therein lies the collossal stupidity of the current patent regime, and Apple's patent trolling with patenting stupidly absurd things like "slide to lock", or "using more than one finger on a touchscreen". I mean, really?

So yes, LG and Apple is exactly the same as Apple and Samsung, except that before this point, LG wasn't as trollish as Apple.

Cheers,
Victor

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038920)

But you shouldn't be able to patent designs or algorithms; only non-obvious advances in a given technology, with a physical specification... Apple simply didn't do that.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37039622)

And it can also be said that when the patent system was originally designed, the people who did so couldn't imagine things like computers. Personally I think that sufficiently advanced and complicated algorithms should be patentable. They're usually non-obvious and can signify a big advance. It's the stupid, trivial crap where some asshole decides to staple quicksort onto something else, but has done it ON A PHONE that needs to go. That and technology patents should probably have a shorter lifespan as well.

Either way the world has changed a lot and the system needs to be changed along with it.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (3, Insightful)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038476)

Some protection? Definitely. 20 years of protection? Hell no. That's an eternity in the software biz, and would absolutely stifle innovation (which is antithetical to the purpose of patents.)

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

cob666 (656740) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038526)

So, Apple can sue any company that makes a table computer that simply looks similar to an iPad? Thankfully this type of thinking didn't exist when the first desktop or laptop computers were being produced. I had an HP tablet with removable keyboard that wasn't all that dissimilar in looks to an iPad. Apple is crossing a line here.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Phleg (523632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038722)

Ahem...

Regardless of the particular patents Apple has chosen to fight with in these battles...

It's certainly not reasonable for Apple to sue any company that makes a device that merely looks similar. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about Apple suing companies who have essentially copied their products and innovations wholesale.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (4, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038940)

I think you mean pre-iphone we had this. [wikimedia.org] Look like anything you've seen before? Pics came out ~6 months before the iPhone was announced. Apple made it "cool", they didn't invent the modern smartphone by a long shot.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (2, Informative)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039150)

"An official press release showing an image of the device appeared on January 18, 2007"

"The first iPhone was unveiled by Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007"

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37039302)

You seem to have missed this piece of info from the same Wikipedia article on the LG Prada:

"LG Electronics has claimed the iPhone's design was copied from the LG Prada. Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center, said at a press conference, “We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006."

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37039138)

Yeah, and we should be so glad Apple gave us this [smashinglists.com] for those that think they needed a computer to match the wallpaper they have. Or even this [universalmysteries.co] years before showing us the we all really need do glasses because of screens this small. Quiet fan boy before I start talking about that not giving the option to expand memory on a hand held device should be a choice and not a "you need to buy the next model up and spend more money than you would on a micro sd card". I'm sure Apple has never used something that wasn't theirs to make something *cough*OS X*cough* that was actually a great product and call their own.

I'll agree that Apple has great marketing, because that's what sells their products. If you actually take a step back and look at other products you realize that- Hey, there's other things out there, cheaper, more customizable, and not some sort of idiot proof device for the masses.

I use to have a great amount of respect for apple, but ever since the "pretty iMacs" came out to sell to those that didn't even use them but bought them as a piece of decorative furniture I couldn't support them anymore (mainly in part because the superintendent of my high school bought a metric shit ton of the purple ones, not knowing what they did but because they were "pretty and purple", but I digress). Compete with a solid product, don't compete by cashing in on stupidity.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038274)

be careful, you might be sued by apple for trademark infringement for using the word apphole.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Caste11an (898046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038482)

Presumably you're talking about a previous article on Slashdot from today regarding Apple suing Samsung for making a look-alike device when compared to the iPad and that has nothing to do with patents? That's OK though, because you bashed Apple, which means you'll get modded up anyway....

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

narcc (412956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038822)

Presumably you're talking about a previous article on Slashdot from today regarding Apple suing Samsung for making a look-alike device when compared to the iPad and that has nothing to do with patents?

Perhaps you should go take a second look at that article.

Bring it on, apphole fanbois. I have karma to burn (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039072)

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Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (3)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038328)

Doesn't matter. Lawyers (being good friends with law-makers) are making money, that's all that counts.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038410)

Oh, you're absolutely right. However, considering what a bunch of assholes Apple is being, I get a warm tingly feeling every time another company tells Apple to go fuck themselves.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038870)

You have your emotions tied up in something so ridiculous? That's fascinating. I can't imagine caring so much about something so pointless, and with negativity besides.

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038562)

It's important that it get out of hand so people who don't understand the ridiculousness of software patents will finally get fed up and it will get fixed (albeit in a likely horrible way)

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038614)

Minimal innovation? Any possible way you could justify saying that? Looks to me like innovation is happening so frequently we consider it commonplace.

And in that same vein, just what have you invented lately anyway? Can you live up to your own standard?

Re:These patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038762)

The credibility of a USA patent is becoming severely diminished. The rest of the world may choose to no longer respect them at all.

LG sells Android phones... connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37037960)

Is LG being sued by Apple for patent infringement regarding their Android phones?

Re:LG sells Android phones... connection? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037978)

AFAIK LG and Samsung also both sell LCD panels to Apple...

It's not only a mess, it's a really weird one.

Re:LG sells Android phones... connection? (2)

kmdrtako (1971832) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038152)

And forgive me for possibly stating the obvious---

If LG were to sue Apple directly, Apple might throw a hissy and stop buying LG's panels.

So to prevent that, LG creates a shell/shill to bring the suit, on the presumption that Apple won't see right through it and continue to buy panels as if nothing was wrong.

Anybody else buying that?

Re:LG sells Android phones... connection? (3, Insightful)

Calos (2281322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038358)

No, I think that if random /. posters are coming up with that 5 minutes after reading the summary, LG wouldn't be stupid enough to think that no one at Apple - who has a vested interest in these things - would ever come to that conclusion. I mean, seriously. That doesn't take any insight.

It's seems unlikely that LG is the puppeteer. As - AFAIK - they're not involved in any of the Apple/Android/mobile patent wars with Apple, it would be pretty stupid for them to instigate a fight. After all, they sold off a parent that this new company claims has significant value. If that's the case, why would LG sell it? Why not pursue Apple themselves? The only reason would seem to be legal insulation from the lawsuit if they think the claim is tenuous and they're just trying to ruffle Apple's feathers. But if they're not involved in the patent fight, why would they provoke Apple and risk their current business with Apple?

In short: no, it seems too transparent and too stupid (stupid at least with the information I'm aware of; maybe an Apple suit against LG is imminent or something).

Re:LG sells Android phones... connection? (1)

slashqwerty (1099091) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038586)

It could be Apple and LG already have a contract that would prohibit LG from filing suit directly.

Prior art? (3, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 2 years ago | (#37037970)

There have been many implementations of this any many variations since at least the early 90's. I don't know when the patent was lodged but I think Apple themselves may have prior art on this.

Patents and patent trolls should become illegal in our current economic environment.

Re:Prior art? (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038128)

There have been many implementations of this any many variations since at least the early 90's. I don't know when the patent was lodged but I think Apple themselves may have prior art on this.

Patents and patent trolls should become illegal in our current economic environment.

I suddenly find myself wanting to know EXACTLY how the NeXTSTEP boot process worked. Hopefully this feeling will pass soon.

Re:Prior art? (4, Informative)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038322)

I think this is the info you are hinting at. the patent in question specifically mentions config.sys and auto exec.bat, as well as POST processes.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/08/apple_sued_over_mac_x_fast_boot/ [theregister.co.uk]

"The method for a quick boot process includes the steps of performing a power-on self test (POST) operation when a personal computer system is powered on or a reset button is pressed; performing a normal boot process after the POST operation; saving the contents of memory and the status of the attached devices to a hard disk; checking if a reboot is requested; restoring the saved boot configuration information from the hard disk, after POST is completed during the reboot process; checking whether or not an initial device configuration file and/or an automatic batch file were changed; and executing commands in the two files and saving a newly created boot configuration information to the hard disk for future boot," the patent reads.

"The personal computer system, may reboot quickly because of omission of execution of the initial device configuration filed and the automatic batch file."

Yes, the patent specifically discusses CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files, carefully laying out the entire boot process for an IBM PC running MS-DOS. But it says the scope of the method is broader. "Though the description hereinbefore may refer to terms commonly used in describing particular computer systems and software, such as IBM personal computer and Windows95 operation system, the concepts equally apply to other systems and software," it reads.

Re:Prior art? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038160)

This patent goes back to the 70s. Nice try Apple zealot.

Re:Prior art? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038394)

Patents are only granted for 20 years ...

Re:Prior art? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038860)

I think they've changed rules on prior art. Isn't it now a "first to file" process, following the broken system the rest of the world uses? This shouldn't matter on patents granted in the past though unless this rule applies retroactively.

Litigation Annihilation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038000)

Begun the patent wars have.

Which way will the trolls swing on this one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038096)

On one hand, it's a patent lawsuit, and we know how much Slashdotters hate patents. On the other hand, it's against Apple.

Quick boot? Really? (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038186)

How is something everyone who has ever used a computer for the past 30+ years thought of on their own patentable?

Re:Quick boot? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038272)

It's the process that gets a patent, not the idea of a process. Having to explain this to someone with such a low UID just shows why it's so hard to have an intelligent discussion on patent law around here.

Re:Quick boot? Really? (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038362)

The GP does not have a low UID.

Re:Quick boot? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038542)

Well, if you want to turn this into a dick wagging contest that's fine but aside from your ego the GP has a low enough of a UID to expect better.

Re:Quick boot? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038314)

amen to that.. vic20/c64/apple2/coco/etc... turn them on, boots right to OS, not sure how this bullshit can be patented? Arcade games? Turn them on, they fast boot..

Re:Quick boot? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038854)

It's the methods to allow a quick boot that are patentable.

It is not a bad idea. (0, Flamebait)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038230)

It is a defensive act when going up against large companies with large litigation budgets and large patent portfolios.

If you have a company with a product and doing business that sues Apple, then Apple will just file a bunch of patent claims against you whether or not they are valid. They have so much money, they think nothing of litigating an opponent into bankruptcy using bogus claims and junk patents. If Apple would have someone who finds a phone at a bar arrested, why wouldn't they try to litigate someone into bankruptcy?

Great Idea (1)

ronmon (95471) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038604)

Form a shell company with little to no assets and use them to fight the morons with little to no patent claim.

Live by the Patent, Die by the Patent. (2)

Kylon99 (2430624) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038270)

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind."

I'm sure before nearly every nation on earth was dragged into World War 1 that they thought it was a good idea to get into a 'little fight.' At least times will be interesting again...

Patent patent trolling (1)

Scarred Intellect (1648867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038336)

Seriously, will someone please patent the process of patent trolling on behalf of something like the FSF?

There's got to be some way to phrase a patent to encapsulate it, or would it fail due to prior art?

Prior art? (2)

pbjones (315127) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038368)

I think that Apple, and others, have been using truncated boot processes for a decade or so. I can't see this one going anywhere.

What about ASUS bootbooster? (1)

Sits (117492) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038388)

Does that mean ASUS had to/has to licence this patent for Bootbooster [eeeuser.com] too? Caching the results from the last boot seems a sensible idea when some modern BIOSes take an age to finish...

Re:What about ASUS bootbooster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038450)

EFI? Apple doesn't even use BIOS and hasn't since they switched to Intel. Now is EFI BIOS? That's for the lawyers.

What Quick Boot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038510)

My MacBook Pro mid-2010, take AGES to boot.

Horrible name (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038612)

"...The company in question is a bit suspicious — having formed very recently..."

Formed recently you say? Gee, with a name like Operating Systems Solutions, what ever gave anyone that idea?

Probably takes the cake for the most unoriginal company name ever...makes you wonder if someone lost a bet in the marketing department, or perhaps that name was pulled out of someones ass after a late-night binger...

Re:Horrible name (2)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37038692)

Or they were looking for a headline something like "OSS Sues Apple" Very easily confused headline that could generate some publicity.

Re:Horrible name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038710)

Perhaps they will reorganize and be renamed to "Computer Information Associates?"

Prior Art! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038626)

My 1981 Apple IIe and my 1985 512K Mac booth boot in about a second. The 512K Mac needs a bit longer to read the floppy drive. But the GUI is up before that.

If only modern systems could boot that fast.

What was LG (Lucky Goldstar) doing in the early 80's with fast boot? Nothing.

BTW, C64, TR-80, etc... all booted fast since the OS/BASIC was in ROM.

Real reform of patent system is needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038844)

Patents need to be much harder to get (substantial innovation beyond current state-of-the-art) and much easier/cheaper to challenge (by a panel of experts/peers rather than during a $1M trial staffed with high-school educated panel).

Former BIOS/Firmware writer here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37038936)

I used to work on mission critical embedded systems and we were doing exactly this (sans GUI) back in the 80's. This was important because, should a reset ever occur, being down for much longer than a few hundred ms could have potentially resulted in significant damage.

The BSS(data?- it's been a while) and a few other memory segments were linker mapped to batter backed up SRAM. If a RESET should occur, the worst that would happen is that we'd down for a few processing frames and back up and running from where we left off. I believe this as even an industry defined standard.

The usual overly broad software patent (3, Interesting)

KeithIrwin (243301) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039196)

Having read the patent (RE40,092 [uspto.gov] in case anyone is interested), it's claims are so broad and complete that any implementation of any kind of acceleration of the booting process would violate it. In fact, they're so complete, that any hibernate mode would also likely violate them, which suggests that it shouldn't be hard to find prior art since hibernate modes substantially predate this patent. I suspect that Apple will use prior art to get the patent invalidated, but it's tough to say for sure.

The real problem with this patent, though, is the standard one for software patents: it's just a set of general ideas about what you could do to make booting faster (store configuration data, check configuration data, write some or all pages of memory to disk, read some or all pages of memory from disk) with nothing that could actually be described as a specific invention or process. As such, the patent (as is almost always the case with software patents) is so broad that it's ridiculous. They've basically been granted a patent on any feasible idea for speeding up the boot process.

Who cares...just sleep/resume it... (1)

optimism (2183618) | more than 2 years ago | (#37039618)

"Quick boot" was a ridiculous piece of marketing in the first place.

Anyone who uses a computer regularly and has two brain cells to rub together, has been using sleep/resume for about 10 years now.

I've run systems for several months at a stretch without ever rebooting them. It takes ~3 seconds to wake one up. Problem solved, patent free.

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