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Perseid Meteor Shower To Be Hampered By Full Moon

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the it-is-too-a-moon dept.

Earth 43

An anonymous reader writes "The annual Perseid meteor shower, which is caused by debris from Comet Swift-Tuttle and has been observed for about 2000 years, will be hampered this year by the full moon. The full moon falls on August 13, and is also called 'Grain Moon' or 'Green Corn Moon.' During this time, the moon rises about the same time the sun sets, and sets at about the same time the sun rises. This will create difficulty in viewing the Perseid meteor shower, which peaks on the night of Friday and into the early morning of Aug. 13."

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I put on my robe and pedant hat (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37041156)

The shower won't be hampered! Viewing it will.

Re:I put on my robe and pedant hat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37041568)

The shower won't be hampered! Viewing it will.

And it's not the Comet Swift-Tuttle, but the Comet Swift-Buttle.

27km wide rock behind (-1, Troll)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041184)

Perseids are just a small reminder that the orbit of the comet (the source of the mess) crosses the orbit of Earth. It is probable that the comet itself will strike the Earth or Moon on August 14 2126. Of note is the fact that it is much larger the the presumed 10km object that led to dinosaur extinction.

Re:27km wide rock behind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37041254)

ok first, that's not a rock, its a ball of ice. Small difference, but notable if we're talking extinction events.

second, recalculations have been done to show it will only pass close by, not strike us. In any case, we'll all be dead then so it's of little consequence. Let our great-great-great grandchildren worry about it.

Re:27km wide rock behind (3, Insightful)

Q-Hack! (37846) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041264)

From the wiki... [wikipedia.org]

"He found the comet was most likely observed by the Chinese in 69 BC and AD 188, which was quickly confirmed by Brian G. Marsden.[8] This information and subsequent observations have led to recalculation of its orbit, which indicates the comet's orbit is very stable, and that there is absolutely no threat over the next two thousand years."

I know it's fun to spread FUD, but come on.

Re:27km wide rock behind (1)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 3 years ago | (#37043060)

I've written "probable" not "certain", given the Perseids cross the Earth's orbit (we observe the meteor shover) then the encounter might be likely given the unstable orbits of these comets. "Absolutely no threat" is a FUD, no comet has a perfect orbit, there is lots of interaction going on from outer planets for example.

Re:27km wide rock behind (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37043784)

I think you forget what FUD means...

Re:27km wide rock behind (1)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 3 years ago | (#37044736)

I think you meant "improbable"

You obviously have little conception of celestial mechanics

Re:27km wide rock behind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37041308)

Damn! That sure sounds like it would be a 'blast' to see. Oh well, who gives a flying fuck, we'll all be long dead by then.

And don't start with the "Will somebody please think of the children" crap. Kids are smart, they'll figure out what to do.

Re:27km wide rock behind (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041872)

And don't start with the "Will somebody please think of the children" crap. Kids are smart, they'll figure out what to do.

If they'll survive the economic crisis by then.

The meteors will still be there... (4, Informative)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041406)

Get an FM broadcast radio with an external aerial socket, and a Yagi antenna such as you would use for fringe area reception. Aim it more or less towards the radiant of the meteor shower, and up at about a 30-40 degree angle. Now tune to a station well out of range, in roughly the direction you're pointing.

When a meteor burns up in the atmosphere it will leave a trail of ionised particles, which will reflect radio waves. This is called "meteor scatter", and will show up as little "pings" of signal from the distant station that pop up out of the noise for a few seconds.

Listen carefully, and make a note of the times of the pings so you can plot how frequently they occur. Congratulations, you're doing science.

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

GrpA (691294) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041538)

Congratulations, you're doing science.

Awesome... Can I have some cake now please?

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041598)

Yes, of course.

delicious cake [deliaonline.com]

Re:The meteors will still be there... (2)

Wattos (2268108) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041634)

Don't be fooled! The cake is a lie

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041966)

Aww, I don't have a microwave!

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

Genda (560240) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041724)

Sorry you kept on trying and we ran out of cake...

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

spidercoz (947220) | more than 3 years ago | (#37044764)

Well we only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush!

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

FhnuZoag (875558) | more than 3 years ago | (#37042124)

That is super cool. You should write an article on this somewhere.

Re:The meteors will still be there... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37043804)

HAMs use meteor scatter all the time for super-brief contacts.

Some even bounce signals from the moon.

Hell, they have their own satellites!

Re:The meteors will still be there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37042260)

Or, much more simply, check out this page. [spaceweather.com] They already have the special equipment, no purchase required. I use this site when there is a meteor shower but it is too cloudy or I am too lazy to drive out of the light pollution to see it. Also works well as a way of determining if there are enough meteors to be worth the price of gas to drive out of the light pollution. Posting AC simply because I am a lurker and have not made an account yet. Enjoy.

Simple Solution (3, Funny)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041496)

The Moon obstructing your view of the Perseids? I can lend you my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator if you promise not to destroy the Earth.

Re:Simple Solution (1)

eedwardsjr (1327857) | more than 3 years ago | (#37042650)

Sorry Marvin, I don't think anyone got that.

Re:Simple Solution (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37044226)

I got that, and you surely don't mean Marvin. Why would he complain about destruction of the Earth, which we all know is blocking his view of Venus.

Re:Simple Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37042890)

Hey, I came to see the group of meteor fanboys saying "fsck the moon" and viceversa. Isn't how this works here? So to hell with your jokes!

Re:Simple Solution (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37043824)

The door is over there. Please hit your ass on the way out.

Not a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37041514)

It's going to be cloudy that night here, so no worries about the moon.

Image Intensifier Astronomy. (3, Informative)

GrpA (691294) | more than 3 years ago | (#37041596)

Just use a masked image intensifier ( ie, don't look directly at the moon ) and watch the sky through an image intensifier.

Apart from a 40 degree FOV, you'll also see about a hundred times as many stars and meteors, even on a moonlit night.

A decent Gen2 or Gen3 image intensifier will suffice. PVS-14's aren't just for the military you know...

Though a Micro housing with a c-mount objective lens can also be modified later to fit into the eyepiece for improving your telescope too!

GrpA

Re:Image Intensifier Astronomy. (1)

SilentTristero (99253) | more than 3 years ago | (#37042552)

For only $3000 or so [amazon.com] ? It's a steal. Looks awesome, but I think I'll be watching with the naked eye this weekend.

I say fuck the moon. (1)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 3 years ago | (#37042384)

How long are we going to let the moon fuck with us and destroy our astronomical observations. The fucking thing is always shining on things and causing people to go crazy. I think we as humanity should endeavor to destroy the moon. We should not do this because it is easy, but because it is hard. Rather than worrying about all these faggety ass wars against our fellow humans, we should endeavor to destroy the real enemy of mankind. THE MOON!. We can send rocket ships powered by nuclear reactors carrying quark bombs, and lay siege to the fucker.

And then we can go after the fucking sun. Think how much further our telescopes would be able to see if they did not have to worry about the sun blinding all the sensors.

-I am just too stupid to know how dumb I truly am.

Re:I say fuck the moon. (1)

mat catastrophe (105256) | more than 3 years ago | (#37046636)

The moon is an absurd liberal myth.

Re:I say fuck the moon. (1)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 3 years ago | (#37065920)

The liberal / conservative dialectic is a myth created by the moon men to create fear and disharmony on earth. As long as the enlightened Liberals are busy defending a society that wants to keep women subservient to men, while the conservatives want to wage a war against a society that is essentially about 'old fashioned family values' and religious conservatism, humans will never get their act enough together to destroy the real enemy; the people on the frickin moon.

It is an old fashioned ploy. Divide and Conquer. Unfortunately it is working. While we kill each other down here. The faggots on the moon are all laughing at us.

-If I kill a (Nigger | Spic | Jew | Arab | Bitch | Guido), and paint a swastika on my forehead, I will go to jail. Someone will be dead, and the media will be profiting all the way to the bank. If I am black and kill a black person. The media doesn't give a fuck. If I am black and kill a white person, the media will spread racial fear and disharmony. Someone will go to jail, someone will be dead and the media will be profiting all the way to the bank.

Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 3 years ago | (#37042504)

The headline had me thinking that the moon was going to be intercepting all those meteors. Turns out they meant "Viewing of the Perseid Meteor Shower To Be Hampered By Full Moon"

If that would have been too long of a headline then perhaps "Full moon will hamper viewing of Perseid Meteor Shower" would have been better

Same number of words as original headline and much more accurate.

Who writes these things?

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37043646)

As a long time stargazer, I had no issue understanding the headline. Maybe you're just a tard?

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#37045184)

The headline had me thinking that the moon was going to be intercepting all those meteors.

The question is why, when if that was the case then the headline should be "Perseid Meteor Shower to Hit the Fucking Moon!"

"Hampered" would be an extremely weird word to use in that context, yah?

Who writes these things?

People used to natural language communication, who unfortunately assume people reading are the same, rather than attempted pedantic literalists. :)

After all, a meteor only becomes a meteor when it hits the earth's atmosphere. So a pedantic reading of the headline would immediately suggest that it can't possibly mean that the Perseids are hitting the moon.

Of course I wouldn't be surprised if some of the debris left by the comet were hitting the moon, but that's not the point. :)

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

DigitalReverend (901909) | more than 3 years ago | (#37045898)

Natural language communications? Hamper is a verb which means to hinder or impede. Will the moon be impeding or hindering the shower? Nope. The shower will still be happening in full force. The view of the shower will be hindered or impeded by the moon. Grunts and clicks were once considered natural language, it's too bad we keep regressing when it comes to the spoken or written word.

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37050832)

Just shut the fuck up. You're a dumb shitball and your mouth needs to close about it. I'm sick of retarded fucks like you fucking up slashdot. So go back to watching cartoons and playing video games and leave the discussion to us.

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#37051186)

Yes, natural language communication, where literal pedantic interpretations are rarely the correct ones. Where meaning not explicitly spelled out can be implied by sentence structure and context. What our brains are optimized for, rapidly and automatically sifting through various possible interpretations and rejecting them for various reasons. Such as if one interpretation is nonsensical, but another one makes sense, then our brains will conclude that the latter is likely the correct one. For example "Perseid Meteor Shower" could refer to the meteors' descent itself, or it could refer to the shower as the visible display that is why we even know about the shower in the first place, and why it's famous and it's arrival an event -- an event that will, in fact, be hampered by the full moon.

What's sad is that literalists believe that not exercising this part of their brain is an improvement, and using it a regression.

What's hilarious is that outside of going "Derp! I'm so smart I don't understand everyday English!", this part of the literalist's brain does function normally. They have to deliberately turn it off and ignore it. For example, I'm sure you had no problem with my non-literal usage of "spelled out" above, nor did you have any problem picking up on the unspoken, yet implied message of "You're an idiot."

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

HeadlessNotAHorseman (823040) | more than 3 years ago | (#37053158)

Surely you can't be serious!

Re:Meteors impacting the moon?? ... Oh wait, (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#37056952)

I am, and stop calling me Shirley.

Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37044364)

It's cloudy anyway...

It won't be a problem in Seattle. (1)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 3 years ago | (#37050248)

The clouds block the moonlight.

Sunrise Moonset (1)

CMan0 (191677) | more than 3 years ago | (#37054800)

You know, the post makes it sound like the sunset moonrise conjuction is specific to this moon. But if you think a little, you'll realize it's true for all full moons.
It's one of the things in litrature that kill me. Moon rise and moon set depend on the phase of the moon. A full moon will rise as the sun sets, and half a moon never will. It's simple geometry.

Bad editing, anonymous reader.

Once again, a slashdot unstory. (1)

ResidentSourcerer (1011469) | more than 3 years ago | (#37055946)

Why is this news?

Anyone who has any history at all of watching meteor showers knows the problem the moon can be.

Every reasonable almanac (and their online equivalents) has both full moon dates, and meteor shower peak dates.

Every full moon rises at approximately sunset. To be full, Sun - Earth - Moon have to make a 180 degree angle.

So where is the news?

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