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Wireless Charging On the Droid Bionic?

CmdrTaco posted more than 2 years ago | from the stop-gnawing-on-cables dept.

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mahiskali writes "New documents pertaining to the ever-hyped and much-delayed Motorola Droid Bionic have surfaced on the FCC website. Perusing through the documents, I noticed a very interesting feature: an inductive charging coil (click 'Internal Photos'), built into the battery door housing. It seems Motorola may have some tricks up its sleeve yet--but will it be enough to beat out the competition (read: Samsung Galaxy S2, iPhone 5)?"

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Motorola! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044324)

How in the world did Motorola come up with something like wireless charging that no one has ever done before and it totally innovative and unique? Wowzawowzer!!!!

Re:Motorola! (3, Informative)

Jawbox (113491) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044396)

Sarcasm? Palm\HP's have had inductive charging just like this since the Pre surfaced two years ago, powermats have been out for almost as long.

Re:Motorola! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044640)

Powermats of different types (which require a dongle on the device) have been around for at least 10 years.

Re:Motorola! (1)

leonbev (111395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045178)

Hell... My Braun cordless toothbrush has inductive charging, and it's probably 15 years old now.

Re:Motorola! (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045518)

It doesn't matter. If Apple has not gotten into wireless charging that means nobody's done it correctly. When Apple finally does it only then will it be right and proper. Your Braun charger is merely a sloppy fragmented immature product concept that never caught on like the iPhone. You should be ashamed. No go out and by an Apple product that you can finally be proud of for the first time in your life.

Re:Motorola! (1)

shadowfaxcrx (1736978) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045746)

I think the Interplaq electric toothbrush I used back in 5th grade when I had braces (1980's here) had inductive charging. I remember always wondering how it charged, because there wasn't any exposed metal anywhere on the whole toothbrush or charger. Of course, we didn't have the internet back then, and my 5th grade teacher taught us that evolution was "something made up by people who aren't real Christians" (why yes this was in the Bible belt, why do you ask?) so she wasn't going to be any help in figuring it out ;)

Re:Motorola! (1)

lostthoughts54 (1696358) | more than 2 years ago | (#37047750)

Umm this may not be refering to power mats but a new form of transferring energy wirelessly using magnetic fields. I saw a demonstration on TED. This form offers true wireless charging - you have several feet to work with,with the powermats the item still has to be in direct contact with the mat to charge.

Fisht posht! (-1, Troll)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044326)

ha!

Slashdot... (1)

c0mpliant (1516433) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044452)

The place where a few seconds can mean the difference between making an arse of yourself... and making an even bigger arse of yourself.

Re:Fisht posht! (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044496)

I'm guessing that in your (clearly inadequate) haste, you also forgot to tick the "Post Anonymously" button?

Innovative new technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044374)

It's amazing that they could incorporate something that's been used in toothbrushes for years. Did a patent just run out or something?

Re:Innovative new technology (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044460)

Well patents may have been a hindrance but I think practicality was more an issue. I have one of those toothbrushes and it takes like 8 hours to charge. Since I only use it twice a day for 4 minutes total a day, a charge lasts weeks. For a phone that requires a faster charge time and requires more frequent charging, this technology while possible may not have been practical until battery or technology changes.

holy carp! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044378)

So it puts this thing into the same league as the Palm Pre?!?!?

Re:holy carp! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044422)

I'm holding my Pre2 thinking the same thing.

Re:holy carp! (1)

Geeky (90998) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044430)

Except with a worse OS...

I've just switched from a Pre to an HTC Android phone (contract upgrade), and the Pre definitely had the edge for usability.

Re:holy carp! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37047580)

It does.

However, take a look at every other device that has focused on usability (WP7, Pre) and take a look at their marketshare. Sadly, everyone who's looking for "usability" has already become a fanboy of another company's platform who's apparently suing everyone under the sun. This leaves Android with the people who want customization or non-bleeding edge smart phones.

Meh (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044406)

As I gaze over to the Palm Touchstone inductive charger on my desk that has been there almost 2 years, meh is the best i can muster.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044590)

Yeah, but just wait. Apple will ignore this as hard as they can, claiming it's not important for their market. Then, next year when the iPhone x+1 comes out, they'll innovate it into the phone and the media will declare them geniuses.

Re:Meh (1)

wiedzmin (1269816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044844)

Apple will ignore this as hard as they can, claiming it's not important for their market. Then, next year when the iPhone x+1 comes out, they'll innovate it into the phone and the media will declare them geniuses.

+1, in fact there have been rumors [zdnet.com] of iPhone 6 getting wireless charging months ago.

Re:Meh (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045498)

+1, in fact there have been rumors of iPhone 6 getting wireless charging months ago.

I give it a day before the "OMG EM FIELDS BAD!!!!!" folk kill it. You know, the kind of people who argue WiFi is bad for you (yet they have a microwave oven), that smart meter's EM radiation will kill you and give you cancer (ignoring the fact that you're completely bathed in the EM field from the power lines in your house), etc.

These phones? Meh, the folk who scream the loudest probably haven't even heard of Android. (And you can bet they have cellphones). But once Apple makes it popular and trendy, ... watch the lawsuits fly.

Hell, it probably won't even be 24 hours before we'll see the first class-action lawsuit filed against Apple because of wireless charging "is killing our kids!".

Re:Meh (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044890)

And in true slashdot fashion, no matter what Apple do, trolls on /. will find fault with it somehow.

"They made it so that a phone could *make calls!*, oh how 'innovative' of them!"

Re:Meh (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37048870)

Yeah, but just wait. Apple will ignore this as hard as they can, claiming it's not important for their market. Then, next year when the iPhone x+1 comes out, they'll innovate it into the phone and the media will declare them geniuses.

Seems inevitable that all phones will eventually move to some sort of inductive charging. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

And you're right it would be all over the media, but only because it's new to the iPhone. It's like when the Mustang [worldcarfans.com] and Camaro reached 400+ hp, exotic cars may have been there for years, doesn't make the news any less important.

Re:Meh (1)

Geeky (90998) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044632)

Although I loved my Pre, the only reason I got the Touchstone was the flap that covered the power connection on the phone - I figured it would break if I was charging every day, so switched to the Touchstone instead.

Meh, too. (2)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044824)

Even if you limit the class to Verizon 4G Android phones, this isn't new or unique. Inductive charging is already available for the HTC Thunderbolt and LG Revolution.

Re:Meh (1)

tacroy (813477) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044986)

Yeah, i love me my touchstones. I have one at my office and one in my car. It's really hard to appreciate them until you use one. But it's pretty awesome, to sit in my car, place my phone on a little circle then have it hold there magnetically, while charging, and playing all my music wirelessly putting my gps right where I need it.. No wires! And it knows it's in my car so it opens pandora and gps automagically.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37045560)

I agree. I also love the Touchstone charger for the TouchPad.

Dear Motorola... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044414)

Want to be on top again? DONT CRIPPLE THE DAMN PHONE!

Make it run a clean google android, make it EASY to update with no nasty tricks to keep unauthorized OS installs off it. in fact ENCOURAGE unauthorized OS install by simply stating the warranty only covers the phone when used with a stock OS install.

In other words... stop being jerks.

Re:Dear Motorola... (1)

morcego (260031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044522)

I have no complains about their hardware. Well, mostly. Their batteries need work.
But man, their software sucks. My aging Motorola Milestone (that's the original Droid's GSM version) will out perform most of phone around now that I replaced the original OS with Cyanogenmod.

Re:Dear Motorola... (2)

digitallife (805599) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044572)

You may be surprised to find his out, but what you think a company should do to be successful, probably won't work. For example, you think motorola should make it easy to update with no nasty tricks to keep unauthorized OS installs off, but the majority of people don't care. For another example, you think they should stop being jerks, yet time and time again being jerks is what makes companies big and successful. The reality is that the way you think the world should be, is not how it is.

Re:Dear Motorola... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044654)

easy to update with no nasty tricks to keep unauthorized OS installs off, but the majority of people don't care.

Does not compute. If the majority of people don't care, *why* use the nasty tricks in the first place? HTC claims that they needed three month to unfuck their bootloader, this time could have been used for a lot of better things...

Re:Dear Motorola... (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045010)

Apple: jerks but make good proudcts. Successful.

Samsung: not jerks, make good products (possibly not as good as Apple but still pretty good) Successful

Motorola; Jerks, Make OK hardware sometimes but cripple it with DRM and sucky software. Getting lunch eaten by Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, and others.

My guess that being jerks might be a contributing factor to Motorolla's failures but having sucky products (and having sucky software on the occasion when their hardware doesn't suck) is the main reason they are doing so poorly.

Re:Dear Motorola... (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 2 years ago | (#37047280)

Samsung at least has unlocked boot loaders. The good news is Verizon doesn't seem to be forcing Bing search on everyone anymore. Motorola hasn't been doing too well in the Android arena despite the good start they had with the Milestone/Droid.

Re:Dear Motorola... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044874)

I have a Droid X. When I first started it up it had a lot of silly widgets but getting rid of them was as simple as dragging them to the trash bin. After that I had a clean Android install. I really don't see the big problem here - it's not like they draped a completely non-standard version of Android on the phone... It was a few widgets.

Re:Dear Motorola... (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045276)

Verizon is the bigger infringer IMHO - don't charge me twice for data. YTF should you care if I'm tethering?!

inductive charging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044416)

And this is why I like my Palm Pre. The Touchstone is an amazing piece of technology.

"will it be enough to beat out the competition" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044520)

It's a Motorola, so no.

is it any useful? (2)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044534)

sounds cool but i have like 10 free outlets at work for my phones, ipad and whatever i carry these days to charge. and you can use USB ports on any server in the data center if you're working away from the office.

this sounds like cool and gee whiz but not practical for a lot of people who will just say who cares and get an iphone

Re:is it any useful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37044680)

Yeah, this is just the gee whiz factor, as opposed to the dry, utilitarian iPhone that people buy for the features.

Re:is it any useful? (1)

danomac (1032160) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044814)

and you can use USB ports on any server in the data center if you're working away from the office

Maybe it's just me, but I don't plug *anything* USB into a live server unless it's a part of diagnostics. Doesn't matter if it's just to charge it, I've seen devices announce themselves incorrectly and cause a kernel panic. They make car chargers and the like for that purpose.

Re:is it any useful? (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044944)

Wouldn't that be considered a problem with the operating system?

Re:is it any useful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37045614)

Doesn't matter. Once that operating system goes down, your problem is now that email/file services/accounting system/etc is down, all because of doing something unnecessary in the first place out of inconvenience.

Very bad idea.

Re:is it any useful? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045028)

strange that i've never seen this problem on proliant servers running windows 2003/2008. with my android phone i don't even have to mount it as a drive to get it to charge

Re:is it any useful? (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045250)

Hack apart the cable/connector, and disconnect the data lines. Sometimes that stops the device charging altogether, though, since it's waiting perpetually for the host on the other end to negotiate a full load of five units, but can't, due to the data lines being cut. I solved this by taking a USB charger and cannibalizing the cable only to get the pin-five-shorted-to-ground connector.

Re:is it any useful? (2)

gotpoetry (1185519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044976)

Have you considered that the inductive coil won't be the only charging option? I guarantee USB charging will still work just fine.

Re:is it any useful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37045036)

and you can use USB ports on any server in the data center if you're working away from the office

Get the f*ck out of my data center.

So says the person who hasn't used one.. (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 2 years ago | (#37046334)

I have an inductive charging toothbrush and I honestly can't wait until every single device uses this technology

- The contacts will never wear out or corrode, since there are none
- You don't have to futz with jamming in a tiny micro USB cable the right way
- You can throw your phone on the charging mat in the absolute darkness
- You can charge your and your wifes phone simultaneously with one charge pad

Re:is it any useful? (1)

Whippen (2018202) | more than 2 years ago | (#37065208)

you can use USB ports on any server in the data center if you're working away from the office.

Next /. headline - "IT worker arrested for attempting to steal company secrets. Claims he was only trying to 'charge' his phone."

Questions (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044570)

Could some EE closer to the inductive charge community comment on:

1) Are the chargers "smart" like if I drop my wedding ring on the charger does it heat up/melt or does the charger recognize the inductance / current draw is way outta whack and shut off? If it shuts off does an indicator of some type turn on, or does it just not charge?

2) Frequency of operation? I would really hate to hear anything below, say, 30 KHz. Even at my age, just years ago when CRTs still roamed the earth, I found horiz sync whine to be astoundingly annoying. I would really hate to hear a 60 hz inductor, any tropical fish owner / diaphragm air pump owner knows the annoying drone of 60 hz + harmonics.

3) Who can sell me an inductive receiver kit to power other stuff? I'm not talking about bolt and go, but ladyada / dangerousprototypes sort of places and products? Who makes this stuff, anyway? At a superficial glance the usual suspects in the analog power community don't seem to offer any specialized ICs for the task... unless the RX has no 2-way comm with the tx and literally is just any ole coil feeding a bridge rect and a switcher.

4) I'm sadly picturing some kind of hideous DRM where the expensive charger and expensive device need to negotiate a RSA key across bluetooth to light up the charger... Please tell me it isn't so? A generation of interoperability would be awesome.

Re:Questions (2)

introcept (1381101) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045106)

1) Are the chargers "smart" like if I drop my wedding ring on the charger does it heat up/melt or does the charger recognize the inductance / current draw is way outta whack and shut off? If it shuts off does an indicator of some type turn on, or does it just not charge?

Assuming they're using the qi charging standard, yes. There is quite a bit of handshaking required before the charger will fully energise a coil.

3) Who can sell me an inductive receiver kit to power other stuff? I'm not talking about bolt and go, but ladyada / dangerousprototypes sort of places and products? Who makes this stuff, anyway? At a superficial glance the usual suspects in the analog power community don't seem to offer any specialized ICs for the task... unless the RX has no 2-way comm with the tx and literally is just any ole coil feeding a bridge rect and a switcher.

Texas Instruments makes it. They also have a devkit:
http://www.ti.com/ww/en/analog/wireless_power_solutions/index.shtml?DCMP=hpa_pmp_bq51013_en&HQS=Other+BA+bq51013-bnc [ti.com]

4) I'm sadly picturing some kind of hideous DRM where the expensive charger and expensive device need to negotiate a RSA key across bluetooth to light up the charger... Please tell me it isn't so? A generation of interoperability would be awesome.

The standard is available online. From memory there's no crypto-based DRM but you will need a license from the QI consortium to implement the technology

Re:Questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37045948)

What happens if there's both a chunk of metal -and- an authorized receiver on the charging coil? Would there be some danger of channeling power to the chunk of metal inadvertently?

Re:Questions (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37049638)

ooh cool. too bad the dev kit is $300 and the whole thing requires licenses. I suppose the license and its probably hideous fees is what prevents ladyada etc from offering a $20 kit.

Re:Questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37070814)

There are kits to convert some phones to inductive charging, normally involving replacing the battery cover (like this [amazon.com] for the Blackberry Bold) or maybe a case for the device (like this [amazon.com] for the iPhone4) with the inductive receiver coil in it. I'm sure you could cannibalise one of those or similar for the parts you need to integrate it into an alternative device.

Gimmicks, all of them (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044584)

Inductive charging suffers from efficiency problems (86% of power drawn is transmitted, as opposed to the 9x% of a DC/DC converter chip in wired chargers), but okay, it's no big deal. However, it doesn't offer practically any convenience over wired chargers: still fixed in place over the powermat, although you just have to pick it up and dash off, I'll grant them that.
Inductive charging will be a valuable asset when a room, a house, or even a city can be blanketed with the required EM field, so that my phone keeps charging all the time, and we can do away with batteries altogether or keep only a small reserve battery for 'emergency' power in shielded areas (like the inside of an elevator). Either that, or they achieve such transfer rates that I can go from 5% to 100% by holding it up to the coil for five-ten seconds at most, like they do in games (which would likely incinerate the electronics with waste heat). Until then, wireless charging will be a gimmick, albeit a marginally useful one, in all devices.

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044638)

Inductive charging will be a valuable asset when a room, a house, or even a city can be blanketed with the required EM field,

Grandiose. I'd be happy with a magic box under my work desk and bedroom dresser that turn the entire horizontal surface into a magic battery charger. Can't lose the charger if its bolted underneath my desk. Can't fumble for cables if there are no cables.

Interoperability would be nice.. In ye olden days before microusb or whatever its called, every phone had a special connector and pinout to chain the users to the expensive aftermarket mfgrs. Theoretically an interoperable system would mean my friends would not need a magic cable for a charge, all they need to do is drop their device on my table.

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044776)

Okay, I was aiming a bit higher, so shoot me. :)
The absolute minimum this starts to become useful is your vision. At the very least, I want the table surface, plus maybe ten centimeters above it to be charging. Anything like a 10 cm by 10 cm powermat, and we're back to square one with wired chargers.
Ideal would be a citywide or even global field, that removes the need for batteries in the first place, but that would probably have all sorts of technical obstructions, like interference...

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37045182)

Nikola Tesla reborn?

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045302)

It would sure be nice to bring him back for another lifetime. Maybe he could contribute some new ideas with today's fabrication technology making things not available to him in his day...

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050002)

According to some others comments about this phone; the coil is possibly for magnetic inductance charging, not EM. What this means is, you could put a box in your bedroom and power the whole room.

Re:Gimmicks, all of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37048280)

What's the efficiency of inductive charging at, say, 0.5 meters? City-wide might be asking a lot.

"Peruse" (0)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044600)

That word does not mean what you think it means.

The summary uses the phrase, "Perusing through the documents." First off, you don't "peruse through" a document; you simply "peruse" it. Secondly, the use of "through" implies that the author has used "peruse" as a substitute for "skim" -- because you can "skim through" documents -- and this is doubly wrong, because "peruse" has exactly the opposite meaning from "skim;" it means "to read through with thoroughness or care [reference.com]." You'd peruse a legal document. You probably wouldn't peruse a magazine.

It also may sound like I'm being a dirty proscriptivist here, but that's not the point. "Improper" grammar can be ok so long as it communicates unambiguously. The problem with "peruse" is that, if half the population thinks it means one thing, and the other half thinks it means exactly the opposite, then the word is useless. It's so commonly misused that I avoid it altogether; even if I use it correctly, about half my readers will misunderstand me.

Re:"Peruse" (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044974)

This is one of the best grammar corrections ive seen in a while. Hes not whining about your/you're etc but rather correctly pointing you dont color with pink and call it green.

Re:"Peruse" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37048608)

ITYM colour.

G,D & R.

Re:"Peruse" (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37045932)

It's so commonly misused that I avoid it altogether; even if I use it correctly, about half my readers will misunderstand me.

I disagree that it is being misused, but I agree that it is useless. It has two meanings and two usages, and so it is useless except in a clear context. In the case of the summary - the use of "through" aside - it is not at all clear whether the submitter read the documents carefully or whether he skimmed them.

Inductive Charging has become the New Standard (2)

nevermore94 (789194) | more than 2 years ago | (#37044876)

Inductive Charging has become the new standard for some time on most Verizon smart phones at the very least. It is already available for the Thunderbolt, Charge, and Droid 3 and others, so yes, I am sure it will be available for the Bionic as well.

Which inductive charger? (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#37046166)

Inductive charging is a good idea, but there are at least three [wirelesspo...ortium.com] competing [witricity.com] standards [hpwebos.com], which is why it isn't going anywhere. If the industry would settle on a standard and get business hotels to put a charging pad in hotel rooms, this mgiht get deployed.

Re:Which inductive charger? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37046520)

Or if there were an inductive charging solution that worked if you put the phone next to a lamp cord...

Re:Which inductive charger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37046750)

We really need to make one standard:

http://xkcd.com/927/

It's all about the software. (1)

burris (122191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37046798)

Apple has proven that it is all about the software. They are killing with shiny but unremarkable hardware. They got killed on the desktop because of software, too. Apple ][ market perception was for games and schools but not business and the race was nearly over by the time the Mac came out, which also didn't look like a serious business machine. This time around, nobody is saying they have to have a Blackberry phone/pad because that's what they use at work.

Re:It's all about the software. (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050022)

Funny, but I find the IOS quite limiting. Where are the weather widgets on the home screen? Why do I have to choose between an active application and a background one?

Re:It's all about the software. (1)

burris (122191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051658)

nothing is perfect but it's going to take a lot more than inductive charging to kill the iphone

Irony (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37049432)

The same idiots who drool over this will be the same idiots raving about the efficiency of their Prius.

We need to find ways to conserve energy, not event new ways to introduce massive amounts of inefficiency into a system because we're too damn lazy to plug in a cord. This sort of crap is ridiculously wasteful and lest we not forget, we're ALREADY SHORT ON POWER transmission capability. We can barely get enough energy to your house to run your refrigerator, and you want to start using devices that waste more than half the power they use to save yourself less than a seconds time?

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37064634)

These devices which don't really use anywhere near as much power as a refrigerator will now charge with 85% efficiency rather than 95%. In the scheme of things the power wasted will be just a drop in the ocean. Don't get worked up about it, the Prius will save much much much more energy than these things waste.

Waterproofing (1)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053676)

Will this finally mean a decent (really) waterproof phone? The Motorola Defy was good, but it's not really waterproof (my brothers' needed to dry after being in the washing machine). Just fix the damn SIM cards so they do not need to be placed by customers and seal the complete phone shut. Full waterproofing, end of warranty if you open it.
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