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Copycat "hiPhone 5" Surfaces In China

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the certified-authentic-fake dept.

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hypnosec writes "A fake iPhone 5, inspired by the leaked images of the device, has been discovered to be on sale in China. The quality of the hiPhone 5 varies with the price, with the most premium version of the device being available for 800 yuan or £76. The device reportedly comes in red and pink. Chinese media is reporting that the fake iPhone 5 is thinner than the iPhone 4 and comes with round edges. Other reports are claiming that the device is extremely light and almost feels like that one is holding a plastic toy. The reports are likely based on some images that were leaked by the supply chain." Since they're going to the trouble of building counterfeit stores, the knock-off phones shouldn't surprise anyone.

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Commentary on the Dollar? (2, Interesting)

Sociable Scientician (1606685) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050834)

Is it a telling commentary on the decline of the US dollar that the price, on an American website such as Slashdot, is quoted only in yuan and pounds sterling?

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37050856)

Reuters is an American website?

Oh, you mean the copy-and-paste job on Slashdot. Nope, not surprising at all.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (2, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050954)

No. It is, however, extremely odd, considering that Reuters lists only the dollar and yuan amount. I'm extremely confused why pounds sterling entered into it. Perhaps the submitter has an axe to grind about /. being an American website?

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (2)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051562)

No. It is, however, extremely odd, considering that Reuters lists only the dollar and yuan amount. I'm extremely confused why pounds sterling entered into it. Perhaps the submitter has an axe to grind about /. being an American website?

Yes it looks like the submitter changed the currency, but wild speculation about why is still wild speculation - and you seem to be a touchy about it.

Most likely explanation (3, Insightful)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051634)

The submitter lives in the UK and pounds sterling is his or her native currency.

But feel free to presume ideological reasons if you'd prefer to grind an axe rather than use common sense.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (2)

ushere (1015833) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051084)

us$ in australia fluctuates daily - last year it was hovering around 60>70 cents aus - now it's $1.08. so as a 'standard' it's now more than useless....

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051408)

you're a retard. Every currency fluctuates in relation to every other currency.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051706)

Nope. Lots of countries tie their exchange rate to the dollar.

-jcr

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051560)

Where are these numbers coming from?

A year ago today, the US dollar was 1.11 aus. Now it's 1.02.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (-1, Troll)

Moryath (553296) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051102)

It's a more telling commentary that no other nation is willing to stand up to the thieving, lying, completely dishonest Chinese and their "business practices."

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (1)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051232)

Obviously it isn't a judged to be a huge threat to Apple. If it becomes one, action will be taken swiftly -- the USTR can wield the Super 301 at any time.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (1)

bahface (979106) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051248)

Thieving, lying, completely dishonest. I think that describes much of what goes on the USA as well.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (3, Informative)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051254)

As to the "thieving", you should remember that US was involved in a large-scale theft of "intellectual property" from the rest of the world until the harmonization of copyright laws post WWII. Which harmonization happened because at that time US authors asked the US government for it. The same thing will eventually happen in China, when they amass enough "intellectual property" they want to make money from. Give them another 20 years.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051376)

How are they lying or thieving anymore than "Dr. Thunder" or "Mountain Thunder" sodas being sold at grocery stores? These are simply off-brand cell phones in the same way "Dr. Thunder" is an off-brand version of Dr. Pepper, only sold for a better price.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051516)

The USA are going to sue and cite prior art

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051680)

So long as it's a "hi-Phone" and clearly not an "iPhone," I don't see what your problem is, or why this is a story.

As for the "lying, theiving, completely dishonest Chinese" nobody is forcing Apple to put their manufacturing there.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051192)

Yuan is the local price, and Reuters is a British company.

Make sense now?

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051862)

Except that, as noted in previous comments, the original Reuters article used Yuan and USD; the person who posted onto Slashdot converted it to pounds.

Re:Commentary on the Dollar? (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051618)

I can just imagine the tagline:

'"hiPhone 5: If you thought it was an iPhone, you must have been high."

US dollars? (0, Redundant)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050854)

800 yuan or £76

Can one of you foreigners please convert that into real currency?

Re:US dollars? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37050868)

121 Loonies.

Re:US dollars? (0)

101010_or_0x2A (1001372) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050898)

I was going to mark this Funny, when you said "real currency" and US dollars in the same context. The yuan *is* the real currency, get used to it.

Re:US dollars? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051020)

I was going to mark this Funny, when you said "real currency" and US dollars in the same context. The yuan *is* the real currency, get used to it.

Not until they stop keeping it artificially undervalued.

Yuan is no more real than US dollar ... (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051080)

The yuan *is* the real currency, get used to it.

The Yuan is pegged to the US dollar so it is as real as the dollar is.

Re:US dollars? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051136)

Gold is the "real" currency. You think China can't/won't print Yuan or RMB when it needs them? That's the thing about gold - you can't print it.

Re:US dollars? (4, Insightful)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051372)

Gold is a shiny rock that has some interesting properties. There is no such thing as a "real" currency. Just currencies with rules that you prefer and currencies with rules that allow for conditions you don't care for to arise.

You might as well be trying to argue "Linux" Distro X is the only "real" computer because you dislike the practices of Ubuntu, Android, Windows, and OSX.

Re:US dollars? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051480)

Ben Bernanke, is that you? Sure, argue with thousands of years of tradition. Go stand in Jerusalem, the Vatican and Mecca and tell all the worshipers that they are raving lunatics and see how many you manage to convince. Gold is accepted as a symbol of wealth all over the world, and it is quite rare meaning that you don't have to worry too much of being inflated out of your wealth (like with, say, US dollars). That you choose not to recognize this fact is your right. But that doesn't make you right.

Re:US dollars? (2)

Macrat (638047) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051392)

The yuan *is* the real currency, get used to it.

No, Flooz is the real currency.

Whoopie said so.

Re:US dollars? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37050942)

690 NOK

What no bitcoins? (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051010)

800 yuan or £76

Can one of you foreigners please convert that into real currency?

I am shocked that no reply posts have converted to bitcoins yet. Has that "joke" truly runs its course? :-)

Re:What no bitcoins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051304)

78,000 bitcoins.

No, make that 78,500.

Sorry, 79,000.

80,000.

Hmm, no wonder no one has tried to convert it. It changes too fast . . .

Re:US dollars? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051130)

6.2 Lap dances in Vegas.

But can they... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050880)

Sure, China can copy apple products(along with manufacturing the official ones); but could they, through the bold adoption of a "One Child, but as many as you want if the first one looks like Steve Jobs" policy, conceivably create a Counterfeit Steve Jobs? Complete with a melamine turtleneck?

Cool. (5, Insightful)

liquidweaver (1988660) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050894)

This is the invisible hand of the market doing its job. Exploit workers overseas and pervert the spirit of patents, copyrights, and trademarks only to further monopolize your position, going so far as to crate proxy lawsuits against your competitors and creating injunctions on other businesses only for extortion... yes, I'll have to admit I hope the hiPhone team springs of the excellent designs of the iPhones and makes a better, cheaper product. It's called progress.

Re:Cool. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37050920)

Cheaper? Sure.

Better?

This *is* China we're talking about.

Re:Cool. (2)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050958)

And where exactly is Apple's iPhone made?

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051038)

Perhaps you misunderstood.

When the Chinese want to make something "cheaper", any hope of "better" goes out the window.

If you'd simply refuse to buy their product unless it's up to your standards, like Apple does, yeah... you might get a good product.

Assembled, not necessarily manufactured (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051126)

And where exactly is Apple's iPhone made?

If by "made" you mean "manufactured" then it is made in many countries. However the Chinese and non-Chinese made components are assembled in China.

Re:Cool. (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051166)

That's ok Japan used to make crap in the 1960's. Now they don't. If China allows enough internal competition and/or shoots enough factory owners, the quality will eventually improve. Then what are you going to do?

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051264)

Same thing we should be doing right now. Tariffs.

Re:Cool. (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050950)

Yeah, not gonna happen. This has absolutly nothing to do with the "Invisible Hand" giving the market a handjob. The iPhone is popular, whether you like to admit it or not, so the Chinese are gonna make cheap, crappy clones of it. Such as what happens to anything remotely popular.

Re:Cool. (1)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051122)

I beg to differ since their crime is violating trademarks (to swindle the consumer). They definitely did not create a clone of the iPhone.

Besides, how do we know what the quality is like? I've never really trusted the, 'it feels cheap,' test because most people equate weight and sturdyness with quality. Which means that you could make a steel frame and suddenly have something that's well built (even if the design or manufacturing process is faulty).

Re:Cool. (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051182)

The iPhone isn't that popular. It does suffer a disproportionate amount of "HEY GUIZE LOOK AT MY NEW iPHONE" propaganda though, which makes people think it's more popular than it is. Stand outside a crowded Apple store and count how many people are actually walking away with one. Most of the people are just sitting there all day basking in the glory of their Apple god wishing they could afford the shinies.

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051458)

The iPhone isn't that popular.

What, are you retarded or something?

Re:Cool. (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051518)

The iPhone isn't that popular.

What, are you retarded or something?

No but apparently [moconews.net] you are. You see there where it says 27% of market share? Listening to Apple users rant on about their phones you'd think they had 99% of share and that there simply is no other phone. But since Apple users fail at life so they feel they need to validate themselves through a trinket, it's not surprising they fail at math too.

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051108)

Nope. I wish. But... no. Go inspect one of the original CN-iPhone imitations. My mom bought one for $50. Perhaps the hardware was equivalent (in truth, it wasn't even close) but it utterly failed on the software front. It was a cheap 1990's Nokia-dumbphone emulator.

Re:Cool. (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051276)

These things come with crap called a "java based OS." They stink.
It'd be interesting if they came up with a clone that could actually run iOS.

Re:Cool. (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051428)

At the very least you would think they would throw Android on it.

Fake iPads do use Android (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051500)

At the very least you would think they would throw Android on it.

Fake iPads do that. The packaging looks like Apple's. The device looks like Apple's. Start it up, wait ... that's a droid logo.

Extremely light? Yuck! (1)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050908)

Other reports are claiming that the device is extremely light and almost feels like that one is holding a plastic toy.

So now mobile devices that are light weight are assumed to be cheap? Interesting.

Re:Extremely light? Yuck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37050952)

AFAIK most of the weight in any mobile device isn't the electronics so much as the battery. I hate light-weight things in general, but for a phone I'd mean that there is practically no battery life, unless of course they made a break-thru in storage I haven't heard about or it is solar and the electronics are just that efficient.

Re:Extremely light? Yuck! (1)

suutar (1860506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051196)

Oh, it's hardly new. Almost everyone is surprised how light a cellphone is the first time they handle one and worry about fragility.

Unless you weren't using 'cheap' as a synonym for 'fragile', in which case I have no idea where you got it from the sentence you quoted.

Re:Extremely light? Yuck! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051672)

What do you mean "now"? It's not whether they're light, actually, but whether they're dense. Cheap, shitty electronics have a lot of empty space. Expensively designed and molded electronics have less.

Can they slap an injunction on Apple? (3, Funny)

Grumpinuts (1272216) | more than 2 years ago | (#37050992)

If the Chinese have announced an iPhone5 and are shipping, does that mean they can sue Apple when they release the iPhone 5?

Re:Can they slap an injunction on Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051060)

No, they released a hiPhone 5. See? It's totally different!

Hmm.... let's see... (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051030)

Chinese economy soaring, US economy crashing. China not giving a shit about patents, US living on patents... Correlation or just coincidence?

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051208)

Just irrelevant. Patents are en explicitly enumerated power in the original US Constitution. The first patent in the US granted under that power was done so by Thomas Jefferson in 1790.

That said, this demonstrates the reasoning behind IP. Sure, those that ignore it can copy existing items easily, but without that monopoly Apple would have no impetus to spend the time and money inventing the original product.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051402)

No, it would give them more competition. There is a big difference between Apple's iPhone and the hiPhone. The hiPhone is probably better.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (1)

suutar (1860506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051210)

I am inclined to say correlation, considering that other times the US or parts thereof didn't care about patents were some of our growth spurts.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (2)

Gideon Wells (1412675) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051416)

Eh... correlational coincidence. Remember, there have also been reports of groups in China outright recreating whole companies, passing themselves off as the real companies, signing contracts with other companies as the real companies and the original company being baffled about complaints about the quality of products they don't like.

The Chinese economy is soaring because they don't care about ANYTHING. Were looking back to an industrial revolution style mindset in the modern era. Not caring about patents seems to be a subset of that mindset that correlates, but not causates. They also have obscene amounts of funds being pumped into their country by the US borrowing money from them to buy their own goods mixed with a currency that is even more rigged than the US Dollar.

Their economy is just as built on pillars of sand as most of the Western World's economies. It will come down to whether they are clever enough to pound support columns to bedrock before the sand pillars collapse.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051434)

Americans are doing plenty more to fuck themselves over than allowing patents to be granted.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051498)

Chinese economy soaring, US economy crashing. China not giving a shit about patents, US living on patents... Correlation or just coincidence?

Ah, why is it always the evil creators and the noble pirates? The Chinese company is leaching off the Apple creation to sell some inferior products. How do I know they are inferior!!! The price is your first clue.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051508)

There is no causal relationship between the two. China makes no money by selling patentable technology. Thus, they don't yet feel it necessary to enforce ip laws.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051638)

Of all the dumb comments on slashdot, this one is so mind-bogglingly stupid, I just had to laugh because it must be some lame attempt at a joke.

The fact that its modded so high really indicates you people may know about computers, but economics and finance just ain't it.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (1)

blarkon (1712194) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051642)

Rip off the idea of a successful Chinese company in China and see what it brings you. It won't be a slap on the wrist.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051714)

As soon as any successful idea comes out of China, we might try that.

I had to deal with Chinese companies and Chinese workers. It seems their society don't really reward critical thinking or inventiveness.

Re:Hmm.... let's see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051696)

China has been dumping a ton of stimulus and government mandated programs into their economy, they have just as bit of a housing bubble and the only reason their economy is still running is massive government stimulus. Look up Zhengzhou New District or any of the dozens of empty cities built just so they could keep on building. They are going to implode at some point.

This was coming (0)

TwoTailedFox (894904) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051036)

After that story on the "fake" Apple stores, it was only a matter of time before fake hardware was brought to the attention of the world.

Now, the question is, is it better than what Apple make?

a lot of cheap ripoff phones have carp software (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051088)

a lot of cheap ripoff phones have carp software

Garbage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051140)

China has been selling hiPhone garbage on eBay since the original iPhone. The policy at eBay is to kill all listings that look like an iPhone that aren't priced like one.

So buyer beware, when the real thing comes out, watch out.

iPhone 5 production line parts and design? (1)

Kylon99 (2430624) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051216)

What are the chances that this was produced from or in part from the iPhone 5 designs or parts? We've heard the stories about factories in China often continue production after the official 'stop' resulting in counterfeit products that are actually the same products, just unauthorized.

Isn't it conceivable that there could be certain parts meant for iPhone 5 already in production and that these parts were used to make this new phone?

Just a thought...

Re:iPhone 5 production line parts and design? (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051358)

As you've stated this does happen, and it often happens with cellphones. The Samsung Chocolate (A phone I don't even see why they would have bothered to copy) had copies coming out the back doors of the factories that made it, re-branded and renamed. The copied version made it to market in China before Samsung actually got it in - leading most Chinese to wonder why Samsung would so blatantly copy a generic Chinese design.... Of course the Chocolate - like almost every other Korean product - was probably a ripoff of something from Sharp or Panasonic.

Re:iPhone 5 production line parts and design? (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051566)

Going the unofficial production run route doesn't work so well unless components to be assembled are domestically manufactured or are easy to acquire commodities. I believe Apple manufactures some key components outside of China. Also note that occasionally there are stories about Apple buying the entire production run of some new screen, RAM chip, etc.

Copies, yeah, but some chinese designs are great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051332)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UicgYwyB2Bw/Skqlj68bB0I/AAAAAAAAD4I/seNR0o_hAAs/s1600-h/mini-copy_1390313i.jpg , for example.

Those terrible red chinese communists, I'd love to tell them one thing or two... does anyone have their number?

Same here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37051342)

I agree with you completely. I am not surpraised at all.

Quick Action is Necessary! (1)

craigc05 (2377254) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051346)

We must move immediately to keep poor people from buying cheap knock-offs lest Apple's copy restriction privelege be slightly devalued in a market that doesn't exist for their over-priced steveDevices! Surely there are several thousand young men and women willing to go overseas, fight and die to protect this sacred monopoly.

No way! Really? (1, Interesting)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051352)

Holy crap? Seriously? China copied some super-popular electronic device and sold a higher-quality version for a tenth of the price because they aren't all greedy assholes and don't get hung up on bullshit like intellectual property and other bogus patent-based shit? Wow...

If they stole them from Apple and sold them, I'd be a little upset. As it stands, they are manufacturing, marketing, and selling them themselves, using their own investment money. Fuck you Apple, you don't own an idea.

Losing control by choice (1)

HW_Hack (1031622) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051444)

This is what happens when you turn over manufacturing to a 3rd party that you have no real control over.

Yeah - good luck with that. Oh and those fake Apple stores .... they were going to build those anyway. Apple just helped things along by sending China all its design info.

I hope this happens to many "American" companies who outsource manufacturing.

Ideas that are missing from this mindshare (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051708)

Something nobody seems to be pointing out is that maybe Apple and other American companies need to understand the Chinese culture and Chinese laws and hire better Chinese lawyers to prevent or be able to litigate against these kinds of maneuvers in China.

Another idea, how about American companies just make a part of their manufacturing deal with Chinese manufacturing companies for that company X to effectively buy all IP rights for said product to be manufactured in only China. If Chinese manufacturing company X doesn't make an even more cut-rate offer to get the business, company Y will get it instead and make tons of money not only manufacturing for the US, but by also making local knockoffs legitimately.

None of you have actually seen or used it (3, Informative)

chanchao (1017920) | more than 2 years ago | (#37051752)

As a comment from a person who has actually bought one as a gimmick, I can tell you that it wouldn't fool the blind. It is simply NOT a copy of the real thing. They are typically Android phones, or some pen-based phone OS, with an external design that looks like an iPhone. As soon as you use it however, it's really very clear what it is.

The only good thing I can say about them is that they come with a TV app.. ;) You can watch TV on them, there's typically an extendible antenna. (Yes, analog free to air TV still exists in Asia).

Sorry to burst bubbles, but there is nothing innovative about them. They're cheap cheap phones with a TV, and a case looking like an iPhone. And this makes journalists think that there is a story.

Same for the allegedly fake Apple store: Newsflash: Apple products are legally sold in non-Apple stores all over the world. This is simply a legal reseller of actual Apple products who went the extra mile of decorating his store in an Apple style. Oh the horror. :rolleyes:

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