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Apple Files Suit Against Motorola Xoom In EU

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the when-in-doubt-sue dept.

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CWmike writes "Apple isn't just going after the Samsung Galaxy Tab in Europe, it's also attacking the Motorola Xoom. Apple's lawsuit, which was filed in Germany and led to Tuesday's injunction barring sales of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Europe, makes reference to a separate complaint against the Motorola Xoom. Patent expert Florian Mueller, who told Computerworld on Tuesday that the mounting patent cases could cast a cloud over Android licensing, found the original lawsuit, filed in Dusseldorf, Germany, and pointed out the Motorola action. The reference in the suit says that Apple has also filed a complaint over the design of the Motorola Xoom, which runs the Android operating system. But it's unclear if Apple is seeking an injunction that would immediately prevent Motorola from importing the tablets into Europe."

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I hope Apple win! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053452)

Xoom has rounded corners too - those copying bastards!

All your rectangle are belong to Apple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053516)

You don't get it, you should think different. The rectangle is now Apple's "intellectual property". Euclid can go fuck himself.

Re:All your rectangle are belong to Apple (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053548)

You don't get it, you should think different. The rectangle is now Apple's "intellectual property". Euclid can go fuck himself.

ROFL.. classic

Re:All your rectangle are belong to Apple (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053566)

Euclid

Do you ever wonder how Euler pronounced that?

Re:All your rectangle are belong to Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053868)

Carefully.

Mot should square things... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053964)

Maybe if all Mot screens were square, they could claim that as an innovation, further claiming that they had eliminated the concept of portrait/landscape viewing by doing this, and neatly sidestep Apple's objections. Or else, they could be difficult and make an elliptical screen

Attacks all thin tablets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053470)

These are suits regarding the equivalent of design patents. If Apple thinks it has a design patent over both Samsung and Motorola (the two tablets are quite different from each other), it is basically claiming that it has a patent on the design of *any* thin tablet device.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053556)

These are suits regarding the equivalent of design patents. If Apple thinks it has a design patent over both Samsung and Motorola (the two tablets are quite different from each other), it is basically claiming that it has a patent on the design of *any* thin tablet device.

Which would be utterly absurd. I can understand the Galaxy Tab thing since the devices were very similar in appearance. The Xoom looks nothing like an iPad in any way.

I really can't understand what Samsung were thinking with their device at all. People who want to pay stupid money for an iPad like device have probably already paid stupid money for an actual iPad. Who are their market for this thing? Android users? I doubt Android users are at all enamoured by something that costs so much, and apes an iPad even in the bad ways such as high price, sealed in batteries, proprietary connectors etc.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053628)

Why they didn't put a proper usb port and hdmi out on it is beyond me.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053742)

Why they didn't put a proper usb port and hdmi out on it is beyond me.

Probably the same reason Apple don't. Because they can rip people off by selling them overpriced dongles & cables. It's bad enough that Apple does it, and completely unacceptable that an Android tablet should.

IMO at the very least a tablet should have a Micro-b USB and SD / Micro SD slot. Better yet if it can charge & sync through the USB cable. If they want to shove their own connector on there too for docks / port replication / HDMI / hi speed charging out then fine but even for that there is a industry standard called PDMI which combines HDMI, USB, power and some other stuff into a single connector.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (0)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054920)

I hope you break your neck coming down off that high horse. "Completely unacceptable" my ass.

Why no USB? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054134)

Yeah, next to nobody seems to have USB. When Apple didn't put a floppy on their first iMacs, other vendors like E-machines did, and claimed that advantage. But this time, nobody has put USB ports - not Apple, not Mot... Had they put it, people could have attached their SSDs or HDDs and kept whatever data they wished to put there. Granted, given that the processor is just a 32-bit processor, the capacity of the HDD that could have been accessed would have been limited.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (3, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054538)

These are suits regarding the equivalent of design patents. If Apple thinks it has a design patent over both Samsung and Motorola (the two tablets are quite different from each other), it is basically claiming that it has a patent on the design of *any* thin tablet device.

Which would be utterly absurd. I can understand the Galaxy Tab thing since the devices were very similar in appearance.

I would be interested if you could point to two LCD televisions which look in any way different apart from the manufacturers logo.

Re:Attacks all thin tablets (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054830)

I would be interested if you could point to two LCD televisions which look in any way different apart from the manufacturers logo.

Irrelevant and wrong - brand name TVs are generally quite distinct from each other in terms of their bezel, base, gloss / matte finish, decals, remote control, speakers, ports, colour scheme etc. Put a Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, LG and Sharp TV next to each other and you'd instantly notice many differences. Put a bunch of laptops or phones next to each other and the same will be true.

In this case we see Samsung mimic a lot of the visual cues of the iPad, to such an extent that most reasonable people would believe it was intentional. While I am anti Apple in most things I am not surprised they are upset and I would not be surprised if the Tab gets pulled and redesigned. That said, Apple are thieving bastards when it suits them so I wouldn't feel any sympathy if they ultimately lose to Samsung.

Additionally I see no justification for Apple to extend legal action to other tablets such as the Xoom, Eee Pad, Iconia etc., which IMO do not remotely resemble the iPad at all except in ways that come from the nature of the devices. Such actions appear to be anticompetitive rather than supported by any legimate legal reason. I hope they fail and fail hard there too.

Competing in court is not wise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053472)

How many times Google has attacked with its patents to competitors like what Apple, Microsoft and Nokia does?

Apple (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053482)

Is an Arsehole. You are the Apple of my Arsehole.

Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (5, Interesting)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053506)

It's one thing to bully johnny foreigner about like HTC, Samsung etc. Motorola made the first mobile call [wikipedia.org] in 1973, 3 years before Apple existed [wikipedia.org] (well, that's if you are talking about the Apple with the same name as the Beatles record label which hates copying so much). Motorola has thousands of patents going right back through this peroid. You can only imagine how many of these relate to fundamental baseband radio tech. So these newcomers whining about the shape of the corners on their toys don't seem to realise the established guys quite literally have their finger over the button when it comes to radio comms. Let's see how many tablets/phones they sell when they can't make airtime connections.

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (1, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053590)

Motorola has thousands of patents going right back through this

No they don't. Any patents from then will have expired in the '90s. They will, however, have a lot of patents from the '90s that may still be relevant now...

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (2)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053754)

I don't know how many of these are relevant, but Motorola has thousands of patents with the keyword radio since 1991:

Results of Search in US Patent Collection db for:
((AN/motorola AND radio) AND ISD/19910101->20110101): 7329 patents.

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054884)

You are assuming they patented the mobile than stopped securing new patents as mobile tech progressed. That is a naive assumption.

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053594)

Too bad you have no clue about wtf you speak off. Moreimpotantly those old motorola radio patents are expired. Maybe you should learn the law instead of just making shiat up and spewing it.

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053768)

Maybe you should learn the law instead of just making shiat up and spewing it.

Florian Mueller, anyone?

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054114)

Hilarious, the post right above yours makes you look like a total crap-spewing moron.

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054130)

So you think Motorola have stood still and dont have even more patents in the meantime?

You truly dont know WTF you speak of

Re:Bad move. You do NOT fuck with Motorola. (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053614)

Motorola ? Meh... I think our only hope is that Oracle start selling rounded corner tablets.

Bad for everyone (5, Insightful)

myurr (468709) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053520)

I know the Apple fanbois will be out in force to defend this as they believe Apple should be the only player in the market place, but Apple's new litigious dream of being the only player in the market is bad for everyone. Apple didn't invent the smart phone or the tablet, so if monopolies of these devices were allowed then Apple wouldn't have been able to make their beloved iDevices in the first place.

The reason Apple themselves are doing this is because they want to control the way everyone consumes media. They want to replace the PC, newspapers, magazines, and ultimately the TV putting them all under their control and charging their 30% fee for allowing access to content producers to their public. For this strategy to work long term, especially in the face of free competition from Android where large corporates can set up their own channels and distribution mechanisms, they need 80+% market share (20 - 40% just isn't enough to command the fees Apple want to charge). They've seen how their early lead in the smart phone marketplace has been eroded and now surpassed by Android, and they fear that the same will happen with the iPad.

This isn't about protecting intellectual property or Apple wanting just reward for their 'innovation'. This is a land grab aimed at capturing and locking in market share through litigation. Apple *are* scared of Android, and especially these latest tablets like the Samsung, not because they're currently outselling the iPad but because they will most likely be the first steps to Android gaining momentum in the tablet market and establishing itself as a viable competitor. Once that happens it will only be a matter of time as Apple cannot keep up with the huge variety of products their competitors will release - exactly what happened in the smart phone arena.

Re:Bad for everyone (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053640)

Actually, I think it's great news. A big company, with a product that's already so successful that they don't need any extra protection, is using the legal system to batter the competition. Those of us who wanted a clear and unambiguous example of the harm that current IP law does now have one to show our elected representatives.

Re:Bad for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053842)

Go right ahead. An American company, which owns intellectual property but is not a patent troll because it builds stuff, and always supplies laptops to the good guys in movies, is currently the company with the largest market capitalization and still growing. Yeah, painting that as an example of harm coming from patent law is going to work really well.

(Just to be clear: I have no Apple gear except for an iPod which I got as a gift. I use it with open source software and hate Apple for not using standard connectors. As far as I am concerned, Apple can go to hell. IMHO, short of putting a competitor's logo on a device, there should be no limit to what you can build. That doesn't mean the system is not working as designed.)

Re:Bad for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053878)

They will just cut a deal and exchange some money. Then they can go in together and attack the rest of the posers who want to earn a living. This is bad.

Re:Bad for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053998)

It's too bad that the elected so-called representatives won't listen. Unless Motorola has a plant somewhere here in the US, and workers from that plant make up a majority of a particular congressional district. Then there'd be a chance of turning one vote.

We can't get our finances in order, we can't run effective schools, we can't get a real healthcare system, we can't move off coal power to safe nuclear designs that have existed for decades now. But before any of that, I'd like to see that fundamental principles like "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" are protected, and that efforts are made to reduce police and other governmental corruption.

IP law ranks around 20th on my list. And I really dislike how our IP laws have become. But there's more important things to write to your Congress about. They may even decide to listen to you about some of them! (like, finances)

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054178)

You seem to be under the impression that I'm in the USA. I'm not sure why my post would give you that impression...

Re:Bad for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053674)

I am a MAC user and I find Apples actions pathetic.

Re:Bad for everyone (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053814)

I'n a Daily Mail reader and I'm perpetually confused and angry.

Time to ditch my iPad (3, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053702)

and my Macs maybe close behind. I am not going to support a bunch of assholes like what Apple has become. I have used a friends Galaxy and found it a bit slow but Android does have features iOs sorely lacks. While I don't think the current tablet implementations are all that wonderful I believe they are good for getting people to rethink how to write and use applications. Apple apparently thinks they invented all of this and considering how the patent office works they could probably buy history to be on their side.

Very disappointing to see this. Spend your money innovating not suing Apple. Be an ideas company, not one that stifles anyone else having them.

Re:Time to ditch my iPad (1)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054192)

I have never owned an Apple device. After the moves made in German courts this week by Apple against Samsung and Motorola, I never will. I hope many others will join me in a boycott of any and all Apple products.

Re:Time to ditch my iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054424)

I'm feeling the same about my Ipod the whole prevent competition being sold angle apples been using lately stinks and is bad for everyone. I also don't like how they colluded to raise ebook prices they just seem to be getting more and more evil and anti competitive.

I respect Samsung as a company you can ussually trust their build quality

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053710)

I know the Apple fanbois will be out in force to defend this as they believe Apple should be the only player in the market place, but Apple's new litigious dream of being the only player in the market is bad for everyone. Apple didn't invent the smart phone or the tablet, so if monopolies of these devices were allowed then Apple wouldn't have been able to make their beloved iDevices in the first place. The reason Apple themselves are doing this is because they want to control the way everyone consumes media. They want to replace the PC, newspapers, magazines, and ultimately the TV putting them all under their control and charging their 30% fee for allowing access to content producers to their public. For this strategy to work long term, especially in the face of free competition from Android where large corporates can set up their own channels and distribution mechanisms, they need 80+% market share (20 - 40% just isn't enough to command the fees Apple want to charge). They've seen how their early lead in the smart phone marketplace has been eroded and now surpassed by Android, and they fear that the same will happen with the iPad. This isn't about protecting intellectual property or Apple wanting just reward for their 'innovation'. This is a land grab aimed at capturing and locking in market share through litigation. Apple *are* scared of Android, and especially these latest tablets like the Samsung, not because they're currently outselling the iPad but because they will most likely be the first steps to Android gaining momentum in the tablet market and establishing itself as a viable competitor. Once that happens it will only be a matter of time as Apple cannot keep up with the huge variety of products their competitors will release - exactly what happened in the smart phone arena.

I am a MAC user and I approve this message.

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053736)

They'll lose it anyway, because they're idiots.
They have one iPad, ONE design, not one line of products, but ONE design. The iPad, iPhone are made for a very restricted group of people, and they're trying to force this on everyone.
They didn't lose the smartphone market because of Android, they lost it because they lack variety.(and no, stickers don't count as variety)

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 2 years ago | (#37055090)

They'll lose it anyway, because they're idiots. They have one iPad, ONE design, not one line of products, but ONE design. The iPad, iPhone are made for a very restricted group of people, and they're trying to force this on everyone. They didn't lose the smartphone market because of Android, they lost it because they lack variety.(and no, stickers don't count as variety)

Yup. Shame they can barely get well over one hundred million iOS devices out into the marketplace. LOSERS!

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

Imbrondir (2367812) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053894)

You're really unfair. This isn't bad for everyone. It's very good for Apple. It's also very good for IP troll companies to remember how much power they can yield if one of their victims denies a lawsuit. And their children. Who are you to deny a Porche 911 for their 18th birthday of IP troll company owners children. Will no one think of the children??

Re:Bad for everyone (1)

Bongo (13261) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054004)

Yes it is a land grab. But it is land nobody else seems to have known existed. People said "the iPad is just a giant iPhone, what's the point?? LOL!!". Well it turns out that if you make something very much like an iPad it can sell really well. Really, nobody should want an iPad, nor an Android tablet (no real keyboard for a start). These companies should just ignore the iPad, after all it is just a fad. /sarc I don't know how much control and power Apple or any company ought to have in fairness legally for what Apple did, but the patent system seems woefully broken for promoting innovation. It seems to hold back innovators whilst rewarding leeches.

Plus there's another issue: sometimes someone setting a standard by force can be beneficial in other ways. If the government can't do it (because they're too lame) then companies might, by playing hard and winning in the market. A monopoly isn't in itself bad for the consumer -- it can at times render other benefits to the consumer. The trouble is of course if you really want to have an Android 10" tablet and there are none available. But then other people might like to have ebooks and media go digital sooner -- technical progress -- so, that infrastructure needs forcing on the industry by a company with the power to do so. When I board a plane I don't care if it is an Airbus or a Boeing, I care about the convenience and price so that I can use the flight to get on with what I really want to do. Google is a pretty big monopoly but for the time being I don't care, there's too many benefits to having it for other things.

If the iPad as a force can help drive innovation in other ways, like drag publishers out of the Jurassic period, then that's one benefit. It is like a monogamous relationship -- there are benefits to be had that you don't get with an "open" relationship, and likewise sometimes it is better to not be in a relationship.

Open or closed, and choice or standard, aren't principles; they're just states. And sometimes one state is more useful and sometimes the other state is more useful.

At the moment, I feel the tablet form factor is still too new and untrusted for real work, so it needs a lot of control and focus -- so I'd prefer there not be a lot of competitors. Tablets need to become accepted as a real new platform. Once that happens, get the monopoly to break up.

The question is, for me, if Android tablets had been first to market, would we be seeing so much interest in tablets as a new platform?

Or would they just be, "giant iPods, what's the point, LOL?"

The tablet needs a really good working trustable ecosystem to get established as a real viable platform.

Re:Bad for everyone (-1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054210)

Sorry, but you take on this is simplistic and ridiculous. Apple DID innovate in both the tablet and phone markets and made NEW products that were wildly successful, and suddenly everyone else had the same idea (WFT?) and churned out copycat products. I don't think they are scared of Android, I just think they would like the Android peddlers to do their own homework and come out with their own product instead of releasing photocopies of Apple's.

Re:Bad for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054366)

Good thing this isn't how the free market and competition works, then.
I'm glad only one car manufacturer produces minivans, for example.
Oh wait ...

Nice one Apple (5, Informative)

mormop (415983) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053526)

Re:Nice one Apple (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053624)

I think they should present this in some form at every public court hearing of every case initiated by Apple. I'm pretty sure that the legal doctrine of estoppel doesn't fully apply here, but it certainly gives one a little pause.

Well... (1)

Marneus68 (2329096) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053528)

I'm really happy I managed to get an HexoPC a few month ago. In a near future anything looking like more or less like an iPad will not be allowed to be sold any-more, this is getting ridiculous. If you plan to buy any kind of photo frame (digital or not) buy them now... we don't know what Apple will do next since anything flat with a screen seem to in the line of sight of the Apple troll lawyers.

"Patent expert"? (5, Insightful)

naich (781425) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053530)

He's not much of a "patent expert" if he can't tell that this case is not about patents. Maybe "clueless troll Florian Mueller" would be more accurate?

Re:"Patent expert" or a "Troll" Florian Mueller (5, Informative)

sunr2007 (2309530) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053576)

He never confirms or deny (reveal)that that the blog is funded by apple and microsoft to create about FUD about Android . Double Agent Florian Mueller.

Re:"Patent expert" or a "Troll" Florian Mueller (4, Informative)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054334)

He never confirms or deny (reveal)that that the blog is funded by apple and microsoft to create about FUD about Android . Double Agent Florian Mueller.

If you keep track of what he does, he is clearly paid by Microsoft. Google is enemy number one. Apple, Linux, IBM are secondary enemies. In a case like this where a secondary enemy sues a primary enemy, he sides with the secondary enemy, but he will and has attacked Apple, Linux and IBM as well. And usually, as seen here, gives nonsense arguments. The case Apple vs. Samsung and now Apple vs. Motorola has nothing to do with Google at all; it only has to do with the shape and looks of the Samsung and Xoom devices and packaging over which Google has no control or influence.

Re:"Patent expert" or a "Troll" Florian Mueller (0)

olau (314197) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054984)

Only on Slashdot could a comment like parent have been modded Informative.

Re:"Patent expert"? (1)

silentcoder (1241496) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053830)

The man who drove the no software patents project in the EU and kept them out for years is not a patent expert according to you ?

Re:"Patent expert"? (2)

naich (781425) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053858)

What he did in the past doesn't change the fact that he seems to have turned into a troll, repeating the same untruths over and over again like a broken record.

Re:"Patent expert"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054018)

Florian Müller is a PR expert, not a patent expert. And it's primarily the FFII [ffii.org] that killed the software patents directive, not Florian Müller. To some extent even in spite of him.

Re:"Patent expert"? (2)

king_grumpy (1685560) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053832)

Seeing Florian Troller's name in the excerpt is enough to ensure I never RTFA. Thanks to OP for saving me the time - it's better spent writing this post, or getting a colonoscopy.

Re:"Patent expert"? (0)

Kynde (324134) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053954)

Seeing Florian Troller's name in the excerpt is enough to ensure I never RTFA. Thanks to OP for saving me the time - it's better spent writing this post, or getting a colonoscopy.

Now, look who's trolling... I'm don't know much about Florian Muller, but I do know that he's the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents. That, to me, a sw developer, is quite enough to convince that he is not really troll unless peered through corporate goggles (or possibly in this case, an apple fanboy goggles).

Re:"Patent expert"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054180)

You have clearly not been paying attention for the last... years...

Re:"Patent expert"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054258)

I'm don't know much about Florian Muller, but I do know that he's the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents. That, to me, a sw developer, is quite enough to convince that he is not really troll

Nevertheless, he is one in this case. He is a plain PR consultant with a simple policy: he works for whoever pays his cheque. Back in the days that was a consortium led by MySQL. He refuses to disclose who his current employer is.

If you want some information about his trolling since the software patents stint that made him famous, there are [slashdot.org] several examples [lwn.net] , even to the point that Linus felt compelled to tell him to stop whining [itworld.com] (see last paragraph of the article).

Re:"Patent expert"? (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054410)

Now, look who's trolling... I'm don't know much about Florian Muller, but I do know that he's the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents. That, to me, a sw developer, is quite enough to convince that he is not really troll unless peered through corporate goggles (or possibly in this case, an apple fanboy goggles).

He is also the guy who recommended to every developer in the Lodsys affair to roll over and pay up.

Why just 10" Tablets? (1)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053534)

It's interesting that they seem to just be going after the 10" tablets. Samsung make 7" tablets too, why did Apple not get an injunction on those too? Or is that basically they do not want anything that could compete with an Ipad be sold?

Re:Why just 10" Tablets? (2)

xnpu (963139) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053604)

In one of the keynote speeches Steve said (in different words) that 7" is just a bad choice. Who knows, maybe they expect customers to regret 7" purchase choices and decide that Samsung suck for selling it to them.

Re:Why just 10" Tablets? (3, Insightful)

SirJorgelOfBorgel (897488) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054682)

I am a developer, so I have quite a bit of hardware lying around. I have several 10" and 7" tablets. I strongly prefer the 7" ones. While a 10" is really nice around the house, when you're mobile a 7" is just so much more preferable. And you don't really miss the size at home either. The great advantage of the 7"-ers is that you can comfortably hold them in one hand for long periods, something you cannot do with the 10" tablets.

Then again, that will depend on what you do with it. However, I find 7" being "a bad choice" in general complete bullshit.

Re:Why just 10" Tablets? (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053626)

I guess it'd be hard to justify going after the 7inchers as they did exist in greater numbers before the iPad was even officially announced. (sure there were some 10inch tablets before the iPad was announced, shame the JooJoo tablet can't counter sue Apple for THEIR look and feel!)

As to the shape/design of the iPad, we've seen there were devices that had that bezel shape before Apple used it too. This is all reeking of desperation from Apple; as others have commented above, they're seeing the market for the phones dissolve, and knowing they can't compete on technical innovation, are litigating.

patent expert? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053540)

Since when is Florian a patent expert?

Re:patent expert? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053642)

Uhm, we're all patent experts. Any of us who have been following these patent cases and learning all the gritty details behind the scenes are becoming patent experts. Turns out, "expert" is a rather imprecise word. At best it means "knows more than the average joe on the streets" and that would be a significant portion of the slashdot demograhic and anyone who can sell garbage articles to tech magazines.

Re:patent expert? (1)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053664)

Not really. An expert is someone who has an authoritative knowledge about his area of expertise, i.e. someone who could probably stand in court and defend a case in patent law. On slashdot most are opinionated laypeople informed to a smaller or larger degree on the subject. Also, I hereby refuse to discuss the expertitude of the dude from TFA.

Re:patent expert? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053714)

At best it means "knows more than the average joe on the streets"

So, again, how does that make Florian an expert? He's been accused of being a shill for Microsoft, but I don't think anyone with a budget the size of Microsoft's would hire anyone so inept - almost everything he says is wrong. On the subject of patents, he's less accurate than Magic 8 Ball, let alone the average Joe on the streets...

Re:patent expert? (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054806)

>So, again, how does that make Florian an expert? He's been accused of being a shill for Microsoft, but I don't think anyone with a budget the size of Microsoft's would hire anyone so inept - almost everything he says is wrong. On the subject of patents, he's less accurate than Magic 8 Ball, let alone the average Joe on the streets..

Microsoft hired SCO.

Chew on that one for a while.

Florian is surely on Microsoft's payroll as sure as Robert Enderle, Dan "lyin'" Lyons, everyone at ZDNet, etc.

"He's just a puppet himself" - Aramaki

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BMO

Re:patent expert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053886)

He's young and needs the money.

That name is never mentioned without the "patent expert" prefix, as if he talked of himself in the third person: "Patent expert Florian Mueller needs to go potty. Patent expert Florian Mueller will be right back. Please wait for patent expert Florian Mueller before you continue."

Those who can, do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053574)

Those who can't - sue. As more and more people make better phones and tablets we'll only see more of that from Apple, not more "innovation".

Re:Those who can, do. (0)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054240)

Those who can, do. . . . .how true. Which is why Apple released the iPhone and iPad and everyone else saw they were successful with their approach and jumped on the bandwagon and copied them. How difficult is that to understand?

Blatant (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053598)

Blatant anti-competitive practice. You can't buy up companies to kill competition, cause you'll get an anti-trust suit, so you just sue them out of the market and the government has to back you up.

There'd be a limit (1)

aglider (2435074) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053616)

Apple will sue any company building anything similar to any iThing.
Both Samsung's and Motorola's products are very similar to the Apples'.
Nonetheless there's a clearly visible logo on them showing they ARE NOT APPLES'.
While I do understand that a design is something to be protect somehow, you should not go the Apple way.
Apple should focus on the meat (superior hardware, better software, funnier user experience), not on the skin.
What if I build a pad with squared or polygonal corners?
And what if unbranded unnamed chinese companies will start selling iPad clones running Android?

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I read this until.. (0)

EasyTarget (43516) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053644)

"Patent expert Florian Mueller".

All the warning you need that this is lame. ... yawn. On to the next story.

Re:I read this until.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053696)

It should read

    Self Opinionated Patent Shill Florian ....

He still hasn't answered those questions about who is funding him...

Patent expert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053658)

The guy is just a troll machine not a patent expert. He has an agenda against Linux and Android.

Re:Patent expert? (0)

kthreadd (1558445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054160)

The guy is just a troll machine not a patent expert. He has an agenda against Linux and Android.

Just because Android uses Linux does not mean that Android and Linux is the same thing. Most Android phones are just locked-in iOS wannabes anyway no matter how free the kernel is.

Better design (0)

flex941 (521675) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053660)

Yes, better design, of course. Except Motorola Xoom is better than iPad.

In almost every way:

1) Hardware design - much more powerful, and that wide-screen!!! (aargh ugly ipad)
2) Product look - just nice, not as thin as ipad, but really better. Except that SD-card.
3) Software design - I don't know it just seems so much better and flexible than ios or wthever it was. Thanks Google.
4) Customer support design - So much promises about software update in Europe and I'm still calm. Joking here.

So I really don't see the basis for Apple actions. And I'm sure this all could be said about Galaxy Tab 2 too.
Oh, I own Xoom.

Re:Better design (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054250)

Yeah, it was SOOOOO good that it died on the vine. So much for your budding career as an analyst. . . .

Re:Better design (1)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054506)

While I'm not agreeing with the GP how did the Xoom die on the vine? Last I checked I could buy it (still), Android is still going strong though it is being challenged, and I know several people who love their Xoom. Just because it isn't as popular as the iPad doesn't mean it died on the vine.

Prior art design (5, Informative)

zebslash (1107957) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053680)

Samsung is now showing to a court in Netherland 20 cases of prior art in tablets, such as this one from 1994: the Knight Rider http://rossdawsonblog.com/weblog/archives/2011/04/tablet-computers-as-seen-from-1994.html [rossdawsonblog.com] As seen on these videos, this looked exactlty like an iPad! You may follow the courtroom debates thanks to Andreas Udo de Haes https://twitter.com/#!/andreasudo [twitter.com] and on OsNews: http://www.osnews.com/ [osnews.com]

Re:Prior art design (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054220)

As seen on these videos, this looked exactlty like an iPad!

Except that it doesn't.

Now, don't get me wrong..
I think 90% of the tablets out there look like each other; a large screen with a bezel with rounded corners and rounded-corner icons laid out on a straight grid (I so do wish Microsoft would have continued their hexagonal grid, it was refreshing).

I also think that Apple are silly for complaining about a competing tablet looking rather much like the iPad.

However, I certainly see more of a resemblance between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad than I do between the device in the video and an iPad or the Galaxy Tab.

If Samsung comes up with prior art challenging all, or at least the majority of the specifics, they might stand something of a chance in the Dutch courts - but just pointing at that video and going "look! a tablet from 1994!" isn't going to cut it.

Not that it'll help much - unless they want to tacitly allow a grey market out of The Netherlands, they still have the EU-wide (minus NL) injunction out of Germany to deal with.. precious time, and money, is being lost there and by the time that gets resolved - unless the German / EU courts can fast-track things - the fight will have become moot as they'll have designed an alternative device by that time.

Re:Prior art design (1)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054846)

From the early 90s:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5144094928842683632 [google.com]

There are NeXt videos from the late 80s which still have some features that we haven't picked up today. the NeXt system fostered amazing stuff for the 90s which we are still seeing as "new" today its like it rubbed off on other companies who used it... the 1st web browser etc all were done on there. The dock was on there... before the windows crap bar. etc. When Steve left Apple he took the really great people with him; Apple was running on 1985 fumes until it bought NeXt.

Apple has been implementing ideas from the late 80s and early 90s for the last 10 years. The differences are rather minor; the concepts haven't changed from what Steve's dream team thought of back then. Its just refined versions of the same stuff.

Now if the IP nightmare of today existed when Apple started and Steve knew his company was going to lose to cheap copycats -- or more accurately, the hardware business was being killed by the software business; he would have fought to maintain his hardware business like he is doing today but with the IP laws of today (and the stupid new propaganda like "Intellectual Property" a P.R. creation that stifles debate... its like 1984, define the language and control thought.) We'd have nothing like today... Hardware companies would likely be better positioned instead of being junk merchants with low margins and software wouldn't dominate as much as it has under MS's rein. Apple clones may have been allowed; because insane IP would have given them the control they want (and cut of the profits.) Remember, apple had all the big stuff early on; they bought all those Xerox ideas like office networking, mouse, the desktop metaphors, WYSIWYG, all concepts which today people can claim ownership in our broken "IP" system -- which allows for broad concept ownership.

Karma Begone (0, Troll)

zixxt (1547061) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053688)

Let me vent for one second please. FUCK APPLE!!!

APPHOLES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054006)

Let's see how many mod points fanbois want to waste.

FUCK APPLE. FUCK LIVER STEALING ASSHOLE STEVE JOBS. JUST DIE YOU APPHOLES.

(Slashdot - yes I know I am yelling. )

Florian Mueller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053786)

Why is ever single article posted on slashdot even remotely related to these companies cite Florian Mueller as a patent expert?

Is it some sort of elaborate /. trolling?

Misfiled, should be under "Funny" (3, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 2 years ago | (#37053844)

How much are ComputerWorld/ITWorld paying to get this Mueller FUD campaign to the front page?

I hope it's worth all the subscriptions they cost you guys.

Re:Misfiled, should be under "Funny" (1)

TrueSatan (1709878) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054104)

Computer World/IT World have Microsoft and Apple as, almost unquestionably, their largest advertisers and it is pretty much beyond doubt that Microsoft and Apple pay a lot to Florian Mueller so perhaps your question would be better stated as "How much are Microsoft and Apple paying to get their FUD campaign to the front page".

"could cast a cloud over Android licensing." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053872)

No shit, that's the point.

Forgot already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053938)

Apple recently bought 6000 patents from Nortel. A company founded in the 19 century and predates motorola with over 30 years!
http://slashdot.org/story/11/07/01/1344205/Nortel-Patents-Go-To-Apple-Microsoft-Sony-and-Others

Not in the Netherlands (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37053958)

.... where we don't like anyone telling us what we can or cannot buy. Expecially Apple.

Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal (5, Informative)

worf_mo (193770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37054064)

Reminds me of a blog post [wordpress.com] by Sun's Jonathan I. Schwartz:

In 2003, after I unveiled a prototype Linux desktop called Project Looking Glass*, Steve called my office to let me know the graphical effects were “stepping all over Apple’s IP.” [...] If we moved forward to commercialize it, “I’ll just sue you.”

My response was simple. “Steve, I was just watching your last presentation, and Keynote looks identical to Concurrence – do you own that IP?” Concurrence was a presentation product built by Lighthouse Design, a company I’d help to found and which Sun acquired in 1996. Lighthouse built applications for NeXTSTEP, the Unix based operating system whose core would become the foundation for all Mac products after Apple acquired NeXT in 1996. Steve had used Concurrence for years, and as Apple built their own presentation tool, it was obvious where they’d found inspiration. “And last I checked, MacOS is now built on Unix. I think Sun has a few OS patents, too.” Steve was silent.

And that was the last I heard on the topic.

And further down:

I understand the value of patents – offensively and, more importantly, for defensive purposes. Sun had a treasure trove of some of the internet’s most valuable patents [...] so no one in the technology industry could come after us without fearing an expensive counter assault. And there’s no defense like an obvious offense.

But for a technology company, going on offense with software patents seems like an act of desperation, relying on the courts instead of the marketplace. See Nokia’s suit against Apple for a parallel example of frivolous litigation – it hasn’t slowed iPhone momentum (I’d argue it accelerated it). So I wonder who will be first to claim Apple’s iPad is stepping on their IP perhaps those that own the carcass of the tablet computing pioneer Go Corp.? Except that would be AT&T. Hm.

New Apple picture (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054644)

Hey Slashdot, if you insist on continuing to use the Microsoft Borg icon, then it's only fair that you use this icon [amazonaws.com] for Apple.

ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37054842)

Apple can't go on filing lawsuits forever. At certain point this technology will get prevalent, it's the inescapable progress.

Tony [removalcompany.co.uk]

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