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Warning! A virus! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Warning! A virus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083264)

die

Re:Warning! A virus! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Warning! A virus! (0)

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Important: viruses! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Important: viruses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37084210)

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Right, because conclusive proof as to the efficacy of a given firm's product is always offered by the firm's own advertising.

(And boy, did you pick the wrong site to spam...)

Oh, they can fuck right off. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083308)

People have the right to protest all they want, but:

1) BART has no obligation to assist them in doing so. BART had every right to turn off their equipment. Do these protesters expect to have the police drive them to the protest as well?

2) If the protesters are interfering with mass transit, they're just being assholes. Yes, it's sad that someone got killed. No, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people should have their schedules fucked around with.

The fact that this is such a big deal in the first place shows that these aren't real protesters anyway. They're just a bunch of spoiled SF kids thinking they're activists. Real activists wouldn't let something like not having internet access during the protest get in their way.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (3, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083334)

2) If the protesters are interfering with mass transit, they're just being assholes. Yes, it's sad that someone got killed. No, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people should have their schedules fucked around with.

Not only that... but if protesters are interfering with mass transit, they are committing a crime and should be arrested, if they do not leave/disperse when ordered to by officials.

There are legal means of protest. And assemblies are legal, in some but not all public areas.

Once you enter an area that requires a ticket or that is private property, you are no longer in a public venue for free unhampered expression; you are in an area for paying customers.

And property owners (including the government) have a right to not allow protests on their private property.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (3, Interesting)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083372)

Once you enter an area that requires a ticket or that is private property, you are no longer in a public venue for free unhampered expression; you are in an area for paying customers.

Buy the lowest cost ticket, enter the ticketed area. Simply dont board any trains. If I remember correctly BART tickets do not expire with time. And its only the distance (stops) that matter.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083406)

If you go back through the same fare gate, your BART ticket will be charged six dollars.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083454)

Er, thats not what I meant. Say hypothetically, I enter Civic Center station at 8 in the morning, with my ticket. I stay in there till says night, along with bunch of fellow travelers. And at night I take a train to Powell St. I would have spend $1.75, and would have achieved what I had wanted (If I were a protestor of course, which I am not)

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083782)

I believe its 5.20

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083472)

Anonymous (the b-tards) are accomplishing what? Protesting that a protest couldn't happen?

This is just blind stupidity.

The BART system as far as I know is privately owned and operated, and the cell phone micocells are their property (only operated by the cellular networks) and can turn them off if safety is an issue, much like turning off the 3rd rail if a rail car strikes someone so emergency crews can work safely.

This is no different. It's not like they were purposely blocking emergency services. There are ways of calling for help in the BART system without a cell phone.

It's not even Jamming since that's what is actually illegal.

The 1st amendment rights are a non-issue. Nobody was being detained.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

FxChiP (687923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083510)

It isn't that a protest couldn't happen, it's that BART security were responsible for the death of an unarmed man (who, in fact, was being held on the ground when he died), and no one could have posted anything on the internet or anything while the BART cell network lockdown was in effect. Videos did later get posted when the people recording got internet access, but the simple fact that BART tried to cover up a deadly use of force (however limited their coverup was or could possibly have been) against a man who was essentially defenseless is absolutely inexcusable.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (3, Informative)

vikisonline (1917814) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083590)

I decided to do some research. Sure doesn't look like innocent or unarmed. http://sfappeal.com/news/2011/07/bart-video-shows-man-killed-at-civic-center-threw-knife-at-officers.php [sfappeal.com]

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083604)

Upon throwing the knife he became unarmed.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

gmon750 (1216394) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083922)

I'm from San Francisco. That guy had more than one knife on him. He rolled the dice the moment he threw the knife at the officer. Nothing to read here, move along.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083614)

Hmm, I wasn't aware that the penalty for throwing a knife at police is execution without a trial. Also, he WAS unarmed when they killed him. Unless they gave him his knife back.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083644)

I suppose the GP thinks that once he threw his knife he was out of weapons, and therefore no longer represented a risk. (Neglecting to mention the other officer was injured by the knife.)

So this whole bringing a knife to a gun fight this is a pretty good recipe for suicide by cop, it would seem.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

FxChiP (687923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083650)

Nope, I'm actually totally desynched from what's going on, don't mind me. One, I'm thinking of Oscar Grant III and the article posted is Charles Hill. Two, I thought footage was suppressed after the shooting, it was actually suppressed on Thursday.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083708)

Police should not be let off for murdering a suspect just because they felt threatened by said suspect. If they can't do there job without injuring the suspect in all but the most severe cases they shouldn't have become police officers.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083686)

So I did some research and these video's don't appear to show anything of the sort.

I will acknowledge that a small object, longer than it is wide, somewhat silver in color, crossed from somewhere off the left side of the screen behind the cop and landed on the platform near the upper right corner of the screen.
However, the cop NEVER ONCE even looks in the direction the object came from, he is busy calmly putting on his gloves while staring off towards the bottom right corner and then drawing his gun and pointing it at the same place he's been looking. Finally he walks off the screen in that same direction.

So what is the silver object? Dunno, but this video doesn't show any weapons, or the status/demeanor of perp.
So he looks entirely innocent and unarmed according to the video.
In fact, the only people who corroborate the "he had a knife" story are the police officers.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083544)

Exactly. The protestors should be arrested, especially the ones causing trouble, but shutting off the cellphone towers was not the solution because look at the fallout, it brought more attention to BART then any protest would and now it makes the Bay Area look like a police state. BART knew they were coming, why didn't they just alert the police? But maybe the more important question is how many more privately owned towers are out there and who gets to decide the reason to shut them off?

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083572)

how many more privately owned towers are out there

Er, all of them? Does anyone know any govt owned cell network/tower?

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084096)

I'm guessing that iamhassi meant to say something along the lines of, how many third party cell towers exist. As in cell towers not owned by the service provider. Or cell towers that can be turned off on a whim by a third party.

I also guess that you knew that when replying with the sarcastic comment. (Sarcasm) Thanks for being so helpful! (/sarcasm)

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083762)

and now it makes the Bay Area look like a police state

I suppose if you're overly excitable, opinionated, and prone to knee-jerk responses then you'd be correct. But to anybody who has ever experienced an actual Police State, that statement is flat out insulting. Especially since the Police weren't even involved.

BART knew they were coming, why didn't they just alert the police?

Because the Police's job isn't to respond unless there is a credible threat.

But maybe the more important question is how many more privately owned towers are out there and who gets to decide the reason to shut them off?

In the subway? AFAIK there are no towers in the subway in the first place. If you mean elsewhere? You could probably check with the FCC or local Public Service Commission to get numbers. The decision is mostly up to the tower owner/operator, but there can be some FCC regulations which apply in regards to shutdowns in certain situations.
A more revealing answer would be to change the question- does anyone know of any government owned towers... because other than the ones the Military uses I can't think of any that are not owned by a private entity or local/regional co-op organization.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084088)

But to anybody who has ever experienced an actual Police State, that statement is flat out insulting. Especially since the Police weren't even involved.

Too true - Police states don't tend to treat security guards with much respect either.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

toxickitty (1758282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083632)

Once you enter an area that requires a ticket or that is private property, you are no longer in a public venue for free unhampered expression; you are in an area for paying customers.

And when the goverment has finished selling just about all of the public land, train stations, bus stations you'll get to enjoy your lack of freedom to speak in those oh so not public places, you know, the ones where the public walk around and you have to use to access "public transport" yet it is private property...

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083536)

No, I'm sorry. Tens of thousands of people absolutely deserve to have their schedules fucked around with. A cop murdered an unarmed man and got off with barely a slap on the wrist. Justice wasn't served, and the laziness and inaction of the community is to blame. Sadly, this kind of police brutality happens all the time in the US. So I don't give a flying fuck how many people are "inconvenienced" by those trying to stand up for the last few threads of civil liberties that exist.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

sunspot42 (455706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083610)

A cop murdered an unarmed man and got off with barely a slap on the wrist.

Unarmed.

Except for the vodka bottle he threw at the police (which I believe hit one of the officers in the head).

And the knife he subsequently pulled on them before they finally shot him.

I wish the police would take out more of the stabby, drunken, crazy assholes we have wandering our streets. Like the crazy bitch who stabbed the cashier at a pizza place near my apartment to death one night a couple of years ago. Us neighbors all enjoyed his horrified screaming at 1:00 in the morning as he lay dying on the sidewalk.

Curiously, Anonymous didn't turn up to protest this poor guy's death.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083668)

Except for the vodka bottle he threw at the police (which I believe hit one of the officers in the head).

And the knife he subsequently pulled on them before they finally shot him.

Watch the video, troll. There is no mention of a knife anywhere, even in the court documents. He may have thrown a bottle, but not during the altercation. And since when does throwing a bottle deserve death?

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (3, Informative)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084038)

The video next shows the knife coming near the officer, hitting the side of a train and ricocheting to the platform, where it came to rest. The officer then fired his gun, the video indicates. Rainey said three shell casings were recovered on the station platform and indicate that the officer fired three shots. He said the preliminary indication is that Hill was struck by all three shots, but he cautioned that the investigations have not been completed and there has not yet been an official determination of how many shots were fired and how many times Hill was hit. The knife that Hill allegedly threw at the officers was 8 inches long, including a 4-inch blade, Rainey said. A second knife of the same size was also found on the platform and investigators believe Hill was armed with that knife as well, Rainey said. He showed photographs of both knives to reporters.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084218)

"And since when does throwing a bottle deserve death?"

It's Niven's 1. law: "Don't throw shit at an armed man!"

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083670)

Is there any proof that he pulled a knife on them, or is that just what they said? It can't be helped either way, but you seem confident that that's what really happened (and I heard that him throwing the bottle was caught on camera, but only barely).

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

FxChiP (687923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083540)

1) BART has no obligation to assist them in doing so. BART had every right to turn off their equipment. Do these protesters expect to have the police drive them to the protest as well?

There's a difference between the police not driving you to the demonstration area of the protest and the supervisor (or, rather, controlling entity) of the police actively suppressing the release of information regarding the death of an unarmed man that their officer was responsible for.

2) If the protesters are interfering with mass transit, they're just being assholes. Yes, it's sad that someone got killed. No, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people should have their schedules fucked around with.

The fact that this is such a big deal in the first place shows that these aren't real protesters anyway. They're just a bunch of spoiled SF kids thinking they're activists. Real activists wouldn't let something like not having internet access during the protest get in their way.

It wasn't a protest being suppressed, it was footage and details of a man's death with suspicious causes. Both of those *did* later surface around the internet, but not nearly as quickly as they could have or possibly should have, directly because of BART's suppressive action.

Furthermore, on a personal level, I'd have to say it's a grave injustice that details of a man's death at the hands of security personnel and its coverup at the hands of their employer "isn't worth" the potential, minor inconvenience of a large group of people that happen to use the employer's service, the greatest length of time of which should be 5 to 20 minutes. From what I've heard, people were also unable to contact emergency services during that time (but other comments I've seen have led me to believe that may not have been true).

Please prove me wrong if I have any of the details incorrect; I'd love to hear more.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (5, Informative)

FxChiP (687923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083674)

I'm disproving myself:

1.) Cell phone service was not disrupted directly following the shooting. (Which would have been worse!)
2.) The shooting I'm thinking of is Oscar Grant III, which was two years ago and probably resolved by this point.

I apologize, I flew off without actually knowing what the hell was going on, instead extrapolating from the admittedly limited information and summaries I was seeing on Twitter and taking in the wrong order and the wrong way. I was totally desynched from the truth. My fault.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084232)

I think a *LOT* of people are getting these mixed up.

well.. obviously, yes, as generally these "protests" are formed based on half-truths and misremembered lies.. but this one particularly.

this dude wasn't murdered, he was killed. justifiably killed. sucks, but don't go throwing knives at cops. don't care who you are, if you throw a knife at a cop and there is the slightest chance you may have another knife on or near you -- your ass is gonna get shot. cops get paid putting their lives on the line, but they don't get paid TO put their lives on the line.

regardless of whether or not the protest is justified, it's counterproductive. you'd think a plan to draw public attention and support for a cause or reason would, you know.. try to maybe NOT PISS OFF THE PUBLIC. These protests are *always* organized and filled with 5 year olds -- no, I'm serious, these are people who never grew up, who never learned that throwing a temper tantrum does not result in you getting your way.

There are effective ways to hold a protest, and there are effective ways to hold a rally, but neither of them involve intentionally disrupting and disturbing the transit of the public at large. because that *IS* illegal and a violation of rights.

A homeless drunk was killed. Sad. Still a person, but he was drunk, he was armed, he acted aggressively towards police. He had a glass bottle, at least one knife. I wouldn't be shocked if his clothing could have concealed other weapons.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what the eye witnesses say, but based on what I can find..
when the cops showed up Hill pulled his knife on the approaching officer Psycho-style, moved at him aggressively and didn't drop his knife and was shot. It appears the knife was thrown after he was shot. That's.. actually entirely consistent with a scenario in which the cops were justified. A taser is not a response to a lethal threat. A taser is to be used in situations where there is no lethal threat present.

This was suicide by cop. I'm calling it right now. Sad for Hill, but the officers were absolutely in the right.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083554)

2) If the protesters are interfering with mass transit, they're just being assholes. Yes, it's sad that someone got killed. No, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people should have their schedules fucked around with.

"I totally agree with you! I'm fine with the police indiscriminately killing people, just as long as the trains run on time."
-- Benito Mussolini

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

LambdaWolf (1561517) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083566)

2) If the protesters are interfering with mass transit, they're just being assholes.

Agreed, however...

1) BART has no obligation to assist them in doing so. BART had every right to turn off their equipment.

...the BART authorities did have an obligation to keep that equipment turned on for normal, paying riders. We're not talking about a private business here; BART is a public, government-run facility and those transponders were paid for by our taxes and fares. They were shut off out of needless and stupid paranoia and it wouldn't have helped prevent an unlawful protest even if one did materialize, so it inconvenienced riders including me for no benefit whatsoever.

And yes, the inconvenience was relatively small. But do you think it's wise to let them take an inch here?

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083580)

The fact that this is such a big deal in the first place shows that these aren't real protesters anyway. They're just a bunch of spoiled SF kids thinking they're activists. Real activists wouldn't let something like not having internet access during the protest get in their way.

But YOU are anonymous. Is this some type of false flag diversion tactic?

You guys are real life superheroes, don't let anyone convince you otherwise. You guys should have your own comic book.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (1)

mashiyach (757252) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083596)

> They're just a bunch of spoiled SF kids thinking they're activists. Real activists wouldn't let something like not having internet access during the protest get in their way.

I didn't understand what you meant by that?

It is an uttermost essential thing to have internet access, if anyone would try to take away that right, I would defend it with my own life.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084042)

That's really sad. Cell phone and internet access are privileges, not rights.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37084092)

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/06/united-nations-wikileaks-internet-human-rights/38526/

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083602)

Didn't you read BART's response?
""There are areas in the BART system that are designated free-speech areas. We support that," BART spokesman Jim Allison said."

wow bart, really? Your damage control sucks, you dug yourself a hole and now you've jumped in and started burying yourself. "Free speech? Oh yeah, I've heard of that, its a good idea sometimes, but only when you stand over there inside the 'free speech' area."

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (3, Insightful)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083768)

Please explain to me why a society in which protesters are allowed to effectively shut down my transportation to blare their political statements is morally superior to one in which they can assemble in the nearby concourse where everyone will be able to hear what they're saying and read their signs just as well. Also, please post your address, so that I can setup a protest in your living room. (certainly you would not dare to designate a private area restricted from public expression!)

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083894)

Perhaps the fact that your transportation is disrupted will make you think about the problems your society is facing, rather than being able to continue to ignore them.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (2)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084078)

Why stop at keeping me from getting to work and contributing to society? You could push me in the mud, slash my tires, kidnap my dog, leave flaming bags of poo on my doorstep... there are all sorts of ways to inconvenience me. And I do wholly admit that this is an effective way to draw attention to pet and minority views that otherwise I wouldn't give the time of day to. Nobody would recognize the names 'Anders Breivik' or 'Al Qaeda' if they contented themselves with politely handing out pamphlets. I suppose if you think imposing costs on others in an acceptable means of getting attention for your political agenda, then the leap from promoting free speech to shutting down free enterprise is perfectly consistent.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (5, Informative)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083730)

Not really. BART is NOT a private corporation. Those repeaters are NOT private property. It was/is financed through sales taxes levied by the local government.

They have no more right to shut down cell service to block free speech than the post office would to refuse to deliver flyers mailed by a protest group.

They DO have a right to insist that any protest be carried out in an orderly manner and that it not endanger the safety of others.

They sure like the benefits (like tax funding) they get from being a quasi-government body (www.bart.gov), so they will just have to deal with the downside.

Re:Oh, they can fuck right off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37084132)

BART had every right to turn off their equipment.

Did anyone claim that Egypt had the right to shut down the internet too?

Stop feeding the trolls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083310)

Anonymous the "group" are a bunch of nobodies, stop feeding their e-peen with useless stories on Slashdot. You editors should know better!

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083342)

I condemn their DDOS, but I would surely support them if they were to call for a sit-in protest (just as in this case). Too bad, I live 200 miles from the nearest BART station. 'They' may be Anonymous, ?chans,or anybody, I would support them.

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (2)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083564)

I condemn their DDOS, but I would surely support them if they were to call for a sit-in protest (just as in this case). Too bad, I live 200 miles from the nearest BART station. 'They' may be Anonymous, ?chans,or anybody, I would support them.

Agreed. I don't agree with most of the things they do but if I lived closer I would join them in this fight. This was a smart call by anon, I hope they stage more protests for this kind of thing, might make the public think more positively of them since it certainly improved my opinion.

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084152)

Agreed. The fact is, we have been in a pacified state of getting nothing done for decades now. We have arrived from the 80s and 90s, a time of "plenty" into the present days which are definitely not a time of plenty. These protests are over-due and so long as they can remain peaceful, there is a chance that positive change can happen without revolution. I just hope people in positions of leadership are old enough to remember the lessons of the 60s and 70s.

Protesting in public places, even public transit places, is about drawing attention to important matters. If the matters are big enough, the disruption would also be big and so people would have to pay attention to them.

The shutting down of communications itself was a dangerous act. I'm sure emergency people have radios that continue to work under those conditions, but are those the only people who respond to and report emergencies? No. They aren't.

I wonder how much of this pendulum swinging will get noticed. At the moment, I see this as the pendulum slowing as it has not yet reversed.

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083344)

For some reason... on seeing 'Anonymous' doing so much... I begin to think there are more than one groups that call themselves anonymous... and possibly a bunch of hoaxes from attention-seekers

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083416)

Although I haven't lived in SF for a year, there was a group of Anonymous members that'd regularly hang around outside the Powell St BART station carrying anti-Scientology signs. So at least some of the members there do good things. (I'm in favor of the protests so long as they don't degenerate into violence, and after reading the BART's statement "No person shall... engage in other expressive activities in the paid areas of BART stations" I'm going to give the favor of the doubt to pretty much anyone who wants to protest.)

Re:Stop feeding the trolls (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083388)

You can never be sure that "Anonymous" is the same group of people every time, it can be different groups with different and even conflicting interests.

And then there are professional rioters that rides on any suitable group just for the pleasure of destruction - those rioters should be brought to justice by their victims.

normally id come (0)

nimbius (983462) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083354)

to the defense of the target of anonymous...but thats pretty hard to do here...
alot of people say BART was within its rights to shut down cell towers in an attempt to disrupt protests
but those protests are only happening because BARTs own police force has killed someone, and people want to bring attention to the fact that there still seems to be a fair amount of fallout and foul-play related to it...
some people in the thread also say its just a bunch of kids that want to disrupt mass transit and make everyone miserable, but
if the BART system i ride everyday and depend upon to get to and from my mediocre office job has done something so nefarious
its caused people to clog up the transit system, then i should probably pay attention to it and learn more about it. i mean if things get bad
enough and i cant get to the train then i'll VPN in, granted thats a luxury not everyone has... i just cant shake the aching feeling that
if the part of my local government that operates the rail transit system just killed someone then maybe these protests need to happen.

the worst thing i think that can happen is if BART kills someone and we all just go about thinking 'well, thats normal.' maybe it isnt...maybe
the only person to say when the right time for the protesting to end is the public, not the BART administrative authority.

Re:normally id come (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083376)

Protesting shootings and demanding accountability is why we have actual reputable civil liberties groups that specialize in this sort of thing.

Besides, the only people who suffer from protests held in a mass transit system are the people who are trying to get to work and keep the job they're fortunate to have.

Re:normally id come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083534)

I agree, only registered and appropriate forms of protests should be allowed... >.>

Re:normally id come (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083404)

The first point of protest should be the BART office, not the public transport channels they operate. If the employees of the head office are prevented from entering/leaving that will leave a considerable impact in the news too. Serve the protests to those that are responsible.

Re:normally id come (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083488)

The first point of protest should be the BART office, not the public transport channels they operate. If the employees of the head office are prevented from entering/leaving that will leave a considerable impact in the news too. Serve the protests to those that are responsible.

That would never work. People will hate the protesters for being assholes and BART for being incompetent. The protesters do not care about their image (in this case; some groups, like Greenpeace, must care about image) but BART does so the longer the situation continues the worse for BART. Assuming the protesters keep this up for long enough BART will decide it's cheaper to do whatever it is the protesters want in order to get rid of them (or do something stupid and take a huge PR hit).

Who wants to build a "CensorMap"? (0)

fferreres (525414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083368)

I think that this is the right time to start mapping where and when mobile censorship happens. This can be done easily. Someone can make a mobile app to tell a server that it has connectivity every x time interval, and it's location (and/or tower used) and amount of signal (plus other useful data).

If enough people used it, the server could tell when a location suddenly went "dark". And it could have algorithms to map the "dark" areas, and to notify everyone of the dark areas. It'd need some refinements, to detect if you entered a place without signal, or to detect if you are underground (ie. no GPS there, but could tell which tower probably which might require mapping it in a different color, eg underground, and cases like that), and some processing to tell when an area is dark (eg. very few people with low signal and many or all without) vs something that was very bright, and suddenly very dark (many people just silenced).

It can also facilitate tracking and knowing immediately what's happening, as after an area is turned "dark", it could prompt the people just entering the "lit" perimeter (or leaving the dark area) if they saw anything unusual. So it would be very easy to automate reporting into suspicious areas.

This could be a great tool to track service disruptions and to quickly identify censorship abuse, natural disasters, power disruptions (long enough for UPS to exhaust), etc.

Re:Who wants to build a "CensorMap"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083466)

I wonder if we're to the point already where this could be done by passively observing social network communications.

Create an application that can scrape any services that put up geotagged data publicly and observe any dramatic changes in incoming data, identifying the area of the regions they occur in, etc? Increases or decreases from the norm could indicate interesting events.

Re:Who wants to build a "CensorMap"? (1)

fferreres (525414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083666)

That sounds like a good idea (if you can trust tweeter). Maybe someone already did that. Not sure how much you can process this in real-time from twitter. I imagine there could be a bunch of typical signatures depending on what's happening. Say, for example, if there's a protest, it could grow slowly and move slowly (and at some point vanish). If it's a mayor event (blackout) it could reduce very fast, maybe with seconds variation from one place to another. If it's a tsunami, it could grow inland. Would be a interesting exercise in data processing/mining if the data could really be queried in meaningful ways (not sure how much is really possible, probably, there are a lot of limits and probably only tweeter could do this, I don't think you can access everything)....

Re:Who wants to build a "CensorMap"? (1)

FxChiP (687923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083696)

I love this idea. I almost want to write it myself.

Re:Who wants to build a "CensorMap"? (1)

telekon (185072) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084198)

I'm lovin' it... if it encourages any of the nerdier nerds, I think if you just built this with a REST API, the lower-level nerds (like me) would be happy to throw together front-ends for the unwashed masses... +1 for the idea...

In addition, just wanted to mention, WHO DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING?!?!?

Right, you shut down internet access ANYWHERE in this country, and ZOMG, Anons are pissed!

People forget that the internet is serious business.

This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (0, Troll)

Whuffo (1043790) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083380)

There's two things going on that aren't the same thing at all. One is the protests over police using black people for target practice, the other is the looting that takes place during the "riots".

The government keeps making excuses for the actions of their police officers; he was just doing his job, too bad that black person got in his way. This will continue and we'll see more of these protests

The other thing is the looting - this is (to put it simply) those who are just barely getting by taking the opportunity to grab up some of those consumer goods they could never afford to buy.

This is a symptom of the extreme imbalance in income distribution in the US (and England). Explain it however you want, the black and brown folks know that they're getting the dirty end of the stick and they aren't accepting those stories. They're kept in their place most of the time, but when things get protesty they'll come out and get some of what the "rich folks" have.

Of course, the "authorities" says that every protester is a criminal and they're busily putting "those people" back in their place. They'll never admit that it's the actions of their enforcers that start these protests - and they'll never admit that it's the greed in the upper class that creates the tensions that drive the riots and looting.

Those "upper class" folks are very aware of this and they're busily building taller fences, hiring more guards, and loading up on weaponry. They lean on their government friends to "keep things under control" and they do their best. Did you think that monitoring phone and email traffic was to stop terrorists? Maybe it's to keep track of groups forming that might present a threat to the established order in this country?

You'll keep hearing stories about how this is all about bad people - and as long as you keep believing that and supporting those who benefit from keeping those people in their place - you'll just postpone the date and increase the intensity of the "correction".

Here's a tip for those in California - did you know that you white folks are in the minority there? Sleep well...

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (2)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083434)

Here's a tip for those in California - did you know that you white folks are in the minority there? Sleep well...

What a bunch of crap. About 80% are white [wikipedia.org] . And thanks for you concern, I do sleep well, irrespective of the racial demographics of the state I am in.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083502)

What a bunch of crap. About 80% are white [wikipedia.org] .

It depends on what you mean by "white". That same article claims "40.1% Non-Hispanic White". And clearly some of the sources are inconsistent (or the referencing is wrong), since it also says "As of 2006, ... whites make up 57% of the state population", and I doubt it dropped form 79% to 57% just between 2005 and 2006.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083508)

Wrong, asshole. That 80% percentage of "whites" includes hispanics. If you read more closely, and I'm pretty sure you can't, you will see that "As of 2006, California has the largest minority population in the United States, though whites make up 57% of the state population. Non-Hispanic whites decreased from about 92% of the state's population in 1960 to 43% in 2006."

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083556)

The GP I posted to, did not say 'non-hispanic whites are a minority', he plainly said whites. Even if he had said that, his statement would still have been bullshit. The 2011 census disagrees with him... About 43% non-hispanic white, about 38% hispanic [latimes.com] . And I dont trust the source for 2006 43%.

Besides the GP's statement was alluding that blacks are the majority (the rant that blacks are evils followed by something that states whites are a minority)

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

SockPuppetOfTheWeek (1910282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083688)

Hello, I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "majority" [wikipedia.org] . Then I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "plurality" [wikipedia.org] .

Hint: one of them means "more than 50%". One of them does not.

Now for your homework: is 43% greater than 50%? Show your work.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083734)

Hi there, and I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "minority group" [wikipedia.org] . No hints for you, since you annoyed me.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

SockPuppetOfTheWeek (1910282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083970)

I don't need hints, I can read the link you posted perfectly well. Maybe you're the one who needed hints, as it appears that you couldn't.

A minority is a sociological group that does not make up a politically dominant voting majority of the total population of a given society. A sociological minority is not necessarily a numerical minority â" it may include any group that is subnormal with respect to a dominant group in terms of social status, education, employment, wealth and political power. To avoid confusion, some writers prefer the terms "subordinate group" and "dominant group" rather than "minority" and "majority", respectively.

Good job on being confused. Nobody else appeared to be. We all figured out that 43% is less than 50%. Go ahead and broadcast the fact that you didn't and got confused though.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

SockPuppetOfTheWeek (1910282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083978)

OP was obviously talking about a numerical minority. I'm sorry if his slightly-misleading phraseology mislead you into believing that he was referring to a socialogical minority.

he did not say legal residents did he (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083638)

ya know the 25 million mexicans in your farms

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (3, Informative)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083476)

There's two things going on that aren't the same thing at all. One is the protests over police using black people for target practice, the other is the looting that takes place during the "riots".

The government keeps making excuses for the actions of their police officers; he was just doing his job, too bad that black person got in his way. This will continue and we'll see more of these protests

The other thing is the looting - this is (to put it simply) those who are just barely getting by taking the opportunity to grab up some of those consumer goods they could never afford to buy.

This is a symptom of the extreme imbalance in income distribution in the US (and England). Explain it however you want, the black and brown folks know that they're getting the dirty end of the stick and they aren't accepting those stories. They're kept in their place most of the time, but when things get protesty they'll come out and get some of what the "rich folks" have.

Of course, the "authorities" says that every protester is a criminal and they're busily putting "those people" back in their place. They'll never admit that it's the actions of their enforcers that start these protests - and they'll never admit that it's the greed in the upper class that creates the tensions that drive the riots and looting.

Those "upper class" folks are very aware of this and they're busily building taller fences, hiring more guards, and loading up on weaponry. They lean on their government friends to "keep things under control" and they do their best. Did you think that monitoring phone and email traffic was to stop terrorists? Maybe it's to keep track of groups forming that might present a threat to the established order in this country?

You'll keep hearing stories about how this is all about bad people - and as long as you keep believing that and supporting those who benefit from keeping those people in their place - you'll just postpone the date and increase the intensity of the "correction".

Here's a tip for those in California - did you know that you white folks are in the minority there? Sleep well...

Wow shut the fuck up.

This latest string of BART protests are still about the death of one Charles Blair Hill, a white homeless drunkard who threw a vodka bottle at a pair of passing police officers and then pulled a knife at them. He was shot as he prepared to throw the knife. I know I'm going to get modded down for this, but I'd say the idiot had it coming. It was clearly an act of self defense by the officer(s) involved.

People see "MAN KILLED BY POLICE" and instantly go into RAGE PROTEST RIOT LOOTING mode and blame the DIRTY PIGS for all of life's ills. Or people like you go and call them RACIST AGAINST THOSE BLACK AND BROWN FOLKS and then subtly threaten us white California residents by telling us we're in the minority. Maybe you were trolling, idk.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

Ly4 (2353328) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083656)

Don't know if it was "clearly an act of self defense", since the only account comes from the BART police, and they have a pretty poor record in past shootings. It's interesting that the video tape has not been released.

linkage: http://www.sfbg.com/bruce/2011/07/11/editorial-end-bart-coverup [sfbg.com]

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083694)

That article is over a month old. The video has already been released by BART weeks ago.

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/07/21/bart-to-release-video-of-civic-center-shooting-on-the-web-at-3-p-m/

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083712)

Whoops - info was out of date. They did release the tape, although I could only find some screen captures.

Don't know if it's completely clear, though. Apparently he had already thrown the knife when he was shot - so, he was unarmed. Was he still a threat then?

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083776)

The guy certainly was provoking a response, and deserved one, but I'm not so sure leading with a lethal response was in order. He wasn't even capable of doing anything lethal. He was actually throwing his weapons away (albeit in a drunken act of aggression that could hurt someone). Had they bopped him with their batons and arrested him, I wouldn't have the slightest question about the appropriateness.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37084084)

You have never taken any sefl-defense courses have you? Everyone is capable of being lethal, either through size, strength, speed, or sheer luck. Going hands on is very dangerous even with an incapacitated target. Perhaps more so because they don't respond predictably to pain or fear. It only takes half a second to kill someone if you are with in arms reach.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37084110)

If "incapacitated" people could predictably kill in half a second I'd be justified in shooting every homeless or drunk I met.

That'd be awesome. Can I do that since some random idiot on Slashdot said it's okay?

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083492)

There's two things going on that aren't the same thing at all. One is the protests over police using black people for target practice, the other is the looting that takes place during the "riots".

Here's a tip for those in California - did you know that you white folks are in the minority there? Sleep well...

Um, dude? The man who was shot, Charles Hill, was not black.

He was, however, intoxicated, violent, and armed. He threw a vodka bottle at two police officers and then attacked one with a knife. The police (or pigs or whatever the PC term is now) shot him in self defense. There's partial video of the incident—he was out of camera range, but the video shows the bottle flying at the officer who is in the picture. It happened very quickly: the officers saw Hill, he threw the bottle at them and charged brandishing a knife, and the police shot him all in under a minute. It's the kind of situation no one wants to have happen, but not because the police are some sort of racist murderers waging class warfare: rather, because no one wants knife-wielding drunks rampaging in the subway.

Are the pigs guilty of keeping the black man down and put "those people" in their place because they didn't decide to hug and sing kumbaya with the drunk white guy trying to stab them? Probably, in the minds of some people. I would say that you can see their pictures here: http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2931/bart-protest-delays-evening-commute/ [fogcityjournal.com] , but they at least have a photo of Charles Hill and seem cogent enough, despite trying to climb on top of the BART trains, to know enough about the case they're "protesting" at least to realize that Hill isn't black.

Re:This isn't the main event, it's just the warmup (1)

vikisonline (1917814) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083618)

You should be modded up. All this mob mentality is crazy. I did a little reading and it's obvious what happened. Ha was violent, had a knife out, and he was shot. Also he was not black. Rioting makes absolutely no sense. Yes police abuse does happen, but not in this case, not every time...

Wait! Aren't these guys busy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083432)

....destroying Facebook? Shouldn't they finish that project before starting another? Anonymous is turning into a combination of Duke Nukem Forever and John Romero of hackers. They now rarely deliver, and when they do it is a half-baked product. Toothless chihuahuas have more bite than these jokers.

Smooth move.. (1)

formfeed (703859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083450)

..shuting off cell-phones to get rid of angry protesters?

It really won't stop anybody from organizing protests, it only affects the underground system, and makes things more chaotic.
But while BART isn't as effective as Muammar, they seem to work through the same PR firm. Real clever. That will teach those kids a lesson
What's the plan: "The beatings will continue until morale improves?"

Barring access to emergency services (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083864)

Barring access to emergency services on purpose.
that's the real effect of it. the first time I read about this was "what the fuck? open season on mugging?". I mean, public transports have been going just to the opposite direction in general in past years, like offering WIFI etc while in transit. so on purpose making cell service worse is.. eh, it's just a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid show of power by some committee jockey in BART.

they better hope no-one had a stroke or something similar..

anyways - now the protests are known world wide.

busy month for ANONYMOUS (1)

acidfast7 (551610) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083458)

ANONYMOUS seems to have a busy month planned with taking on Facebook and all. Glad to see that young people haven't lost the industrious spirit (/sarcasm)

setup their own cell stations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083506)

Can't protesters setup their own cell stations and reroute cell traffic?

How about protesting ... (3, Interesting)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083520)

How about protesting outside station entrances? It is doubtful that the cellular providers would disable service at street level. Protesters also wouldn't disrupt physical transit service, though they can still make their point by disrupting individual commuters.

Most important of all: it doesn't endanger the lives of people, since platforms can be a dangerous place.

I remember hearing stories from a friend in a third world nation. When the government did something wrong they started destroying the trains in protest. The thing is, that destruction meant bugger all to the government (they don't use trains) so it really only made the lives of the protesters and the people who they claimed to represent worse. Which is exactly the sort of thing that Anonymous is doing. While it isn't quite that extreme yet, it could be within a few years if protesters keep upping the ante.

Wenn someone goes... (0)

geogob (569250) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083524)

"hey, nice baseball bat laying there on your front yard... i'm going to use it later to break into your car and destroy your garden gnome".

Hearing that, you'll probably store the piece of wood somewhere out of reach. That would be a totally sane move.
Point is, they are not trying to prevent protests (that's a totally wrong headline). They want to avoid protesters to share real-time information on security personnel location and actions in order to optimize and maximize the disruption of the transit system. Once that has been said openly you simply _cannot_ allow the system to remain active.

By leaving the system active, if incidents occures and it does turn our that the network was used as proposed, you would be very negligent. I guess that in America, some people might go as far as bringing you to court over this.

Now, you would say "how is this any different in the streets". That, I really don't. Where the line lies between security measures and rights is never clear and this subject is tackled daily here. In the end, I guess that the main difference between, lets say, Egypt and this (or on which side of the thin line you lay) is the intent of those shutting down the network in said areas.

Re:It would seem that (1)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | more than 2 years ago | (#37083562)

you house your garden gnomes better than most of us over here!

break into your car and destroy your garden gnome

Streisand Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37083732)

Hey, look! It's a new incarnation of the Streisand Effect!

Anonymous is right on the money (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37084226)

I will be going and protesting alongside Anonymous. It is high time that we took a stand for the right of people to protest, wherever, whenever, and HOWEVER we want. We should take a page from the British and start smashing windows, burning buildings, raping, looting, and making white (AKA racists) people strip naked in the middle of the street.

America for Anonymous. Not the other way around.

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