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China Cracks Down On Fake Apple Stores

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the love-apple-but-a-tomato dept.

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angry tapir writes "The Chinese city of Kunming has stopped 22 fake Apple stores from illegally using the company's iconic trademarks after Apple lodged a complaint with authorities. Kunming authorities found 20 unauthorized Apple resellers. Currently, 11 of those resellers are being investigated. Two other stores were discovered for related violations. Slashdot first discussed the mushrooming of fake Apple Stores in July."

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146 comments

MOD THIS UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090798)

Please?

Re:MOD THIS UP (0)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090914)

The staff at some stores even thought they were employed by Apple! Same t-shirts, same lanyards, same gay banter, etc.

Re:MOD THIS UP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090956)

Some of them even thought Steve Jobs sucked their cocks and played with their pussies.

Re:MOD THIS UP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091204)

Some of them even thought Steve Jobs sucked their cocks and played with their pussies.

Your mom sucked my cock and played with her pussy.

Re:MOD THIS UP (0)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091436)

That should have been their first clue that it was fake Apple. Steve Jobs doesn't give a damn about anyone else.

LK

I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck around. (4, Interesting)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090808)

I wonder how many people will be executed for this whole ordeal.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090830)

Maybe, but look at it from the flipside: China generally takes a very lax approach to Western copyright infringement. Them snapping to action to shut these stores down implies that China is afraid of Apple. Seriously. They fucked around with Google just like anyone else, but they're running scared under the fear that Apple will crack down on them.

Do the MacHeads realize just how much raw, unchecked power they're giving the lunatics at Apple? God help us all, China is afraid of them now!

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (5, Informative)

mattventura (1408229) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090864)

I'm guessing that it's because Apple uses China for their manufacturing, and it would hurt the Chinese economy if they were to take their business elsewhere.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090950)

And I'm guessing that they're just paying lip service to Apple, copyrights, patents and the like. And as soon as the store owners start paying the right people, it will be business as usual (again).

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (3, Interesting)

Solandri (704621) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091568)

The Economist had an interesting breakdown of an iPhone's manufacture [economist.com] . It actually looks like the U.S., Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are the biggest beneficiaries from the iPhone's manufacture. Well, aside from Apple itself that is. Foxconn's slice of the iPhone pie is minuscule.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092026)

Well that's one way of looking at it. The other is that Foxconn's revenue is about $60 billion, and Apple is their largest customer. That's not small change, and whatever way you look at it it's orders of magnitude more important to the Chinese economy than 22 fake Apple Stores.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37092034)

You've got it wrong way around, what matters is not how much of iPhone is Foxconn's plants, but how much of Foxconn's plants are iPhone.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091048)

Hahaha! Like where? who else is gonna give them macs for the price they do?

Chinese are a bunch of gutless sycophantic fucks who couldn't even conquer their island neighbours let alone launch a successful offensive against anyone. Hence the fear of apple

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091172)

Well that and the fact that China taxes Apple products(and most "foreign" products for that matter) out the wazoo and these stores were getting around it by sourcing their stuff from abroad(probably almost exclusively Hong Kong) and then selling them in China without paying the tax....

For comparison, I just checked the price on an entry level macbook air in China compared to the US, its about 25% more expensive in China, probably almost entirely due to taxes placed on it by the Chinese. Those same taxes do not get placed on goods made by Chinese companies.... And yet China constantly criticizes other countries for being "protectionist". Apparently China is allowed to be protectionist, but nobody else is.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091186)

For comparison, I checked the Hong Kong price, its actually CHEAPER(by about $15 US) than the price in the US is.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Whuffo (1043790) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092066)

There's LOTS of electronic manufacturing companies with offices in Hong Kong, and the factories just over the border in Shenzhen

You can find all kinds of repacked / refurbished / overrun / returned / third shift / fell off of the truck products for sale in Hong Kong. The prices are low - but there might be a problem with warranty coverage, etc. You'll see lots of electronics being sold on Ebay with the seller located in Hong Kong. I spent a few days there last month and was amazed at how much pirated / questionable merchandise was being sold openly.

Very common: Shenzhen factory making whizbangs has some duds and returns - it's not worth attempting to repair them so they sell them off for scrap. Enterprising people buy up a pile of dead Apple or Linksys (or whatever) and sort it out; use the AC adapter from the one with the bad motherboard to fix the one that only needs a new AC adpapter, etc. Then sell the "new" equipment for a small yet significant discount.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092138)

The prices I quoted were from the Apple site, so I doubt its something that just "fell off the truck"

China is trying to seduce Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090880)

China generally takes a very lax approach to Western copyright infringement. Them snapping to action to shut these stores down implies that China is afraid of Apple. Seriously. They fucked around with Google just like anyone else, but they're running scared under the fear that Apple will crack down on them.

China is not afraid of Apple, they are trying to seduce Apple. China greatly dislikes that they assemble Apple products and do not really produce many of the more advanced components. They want Apple to relocate manufacturing to China. The question is, is Apple that dumb? I hope not.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

gutnor (872759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091844)

China wants to manufacture everything we consume, they cannot afford the bad publicity that even one of the most powerful/recognizable companies on earth is getting screwed in China. As long as your business is not important enough to make the cover page of some important journal, you will be screwed in China with impunity.

The Google case was different. Google was competing directly in the Chinese market - and China is *very* protective of its own economy. If Google had only required a million slaves to update its indexes by hand, China would have happily opened its firewall for them.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37092070)

Actually, its more likely bribes were involved.

Bribes are required to get anything like this done in China.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (4, Informative)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092088)

See, "Apple" is a registered trademark inside China, and China DOES pay attention to its own internal IP. I have several US patents and a few Chinese patents; I've actually walked into Chinese factories and seen my US patents getting knocked off (and quietly copied down the names of the US customers, and we had a nice "licensing" talk when I got back to the US). I've also seen one of my Chinese patents getting knocked off - a quick call to the local customs and IP bureau and things were shut down REAL quick, and the Chinese company licensed up as well.

.
Like most countries, China doesn't give a rip about your overseas IP; if it's not Chinese, it doesn't matter. Likewise in the US - if you infringe a Chinese or Japanese patent in the US, the US doesn't care. Funny how that works - countries only care about IP registered in their own countries (and this includes the EU where you can register with the EU and PCT, but still need to apply for patents in each individual country for protection). Apple now has a trademark on "Apple" for computers and electronics, so the Chinese authorities took action. No trademark in China? The Chinese government wouldn't do anything...

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090866)

Since no one criticized the government, practiced free religion, or poisoned anyone, so it's doubtful anyone will be executed.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

petman (619526) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091114)

China doesn't totally ban practice of religion. People are free to practice what they like, as long as they do what the government tells them to do. What the government has problem with, is organised religion, like Christianity, that tells people that they should do this and that, instead of what the government dictates.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091346)

Jesus taught people should obey the laws of the Romans and well educated pastors/preachers translate this into the modern day.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091352)

And what have the Romans ever done for us?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Antarius (542615) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091680)

The Aqueduct?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092002)

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091398)

True, but misleading: one of the things that the government does not allow you to do, is to peacefully protest against the government.

At a lower level even than organized religion, you have schools of thought that basic morality sanctions peaceful protest. To deny that is not simply "harmonious union" or whatever party bullshit the politburo call it these days - it's tyranny.

All sovereigns everywhere take the view of religion that you mentioned, with only the occasional minor procedural allowance otherwise. The difference is how limited those sovereigns are when the practice in question is none of their business (usually, this means that it harms no-one, or at least no-one who does not genuinely consent). Peaceful protest, by definition, harms no-one.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091896)

Actually they have more of a problem with self-actualizing spirituality movements like fa-lung-gong/da-fa. They aren't to worried about a religion that tells them to be sheep, not worry about material goods, help your neighbour, and that you can never amount to anything on your own.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090888)

Oh please. The United States executes more people per capita than China does.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (2)

Dthief (1700318) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090970)

Damn right we do!....

Though I'm sure they are working on how to overtake us in that as well

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090974)

Yeah? How many USAsians are executed for non-violent crimes vs. China? Citation, pls.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091064)

It is more profitable for our corporate run prison system to keep people on death row indefinitely rather than actually execute them.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091394)

Private prisons, what a bad idea

League of disgrace (4, Informative)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091092)

Capital punishment numbers are a little uncertain for China, but estimated to be appallingly large (two orders of magnitude more appalling than those of the USA). In fact, the USA was ranked fifth [wikipedia.org] worldwide in total numbers legally executed in 2010. It was surpassed by Iran, Yemen, and North Korea as well as China.

On a per-capita basis, the USA is clearly not in the lead, and nowhere close to the top. In addition to the four countries listed above, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Equatorial Guinnea, Somalia, and a bunch of others have higher per capita executions. Disgracefully, the USA's score was 46 in 2010, or about 0.15 per million persons.

Re:League of disgrace (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091416)

If you want to see real disgrace check out the list of countries that have executed juvenile offenders since 1990.

Re:League of disgrace (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092132)

If you want to see real disgrace check out the list of countries that have executed juvenile offenders since 1990.

To save the click:

The People's Republic of China (PRC), Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United States and Yemen.

Re:League of disgrace (1)

egr (932620) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091476)

He actually did not say that it was either in the lead or in the top. He just said that it was more per-capita than China. But he may still be wrong.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092114)

How many Britons are executed vs. USA?

Thus Britain is more virtuous then US, yes?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090894)

You say that as if you think Apple cares. I have the distinct feeling that as long as it doesn't get on international news, they don't really care.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (2)

blai (1380673) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090926)

China doesn't execute people for these relatively tiny sins. 50k yuan in the judge's pocket will get these people out in a week.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091314)

You might wanna consider googling something along the lines of "china executes businessman" then come back and say that.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37092160)

Why can't we execute businessmen?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092422)

You might wanna consider googling something along the lines of "china executes businessman" then come back and say that.

And usually for things that would be a good idea to execute people for, even if death penalty was abolished for all other crimes.

Can someone tell me why Bernie Madoff, former Enron executives, and all current Goldman Sachs management are all alive while piddly murderers, some not even serial, are executed?

Can't execute counterfeits. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090946)

Who says they were even alive in the first place? Sneaky TSR bastards!

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (4, Interesting)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090984)

I wonder how many people will be executed for this whole ordeal.

They wont be executed. They will just be fined and arrested, and sentenced into whatever prison camp pays or is owned by the local government authorities. If you think prison is big business in the US, you haven't seen anything until you look at China. Forced labor, manufacturing, hell, even WoW goldfarming is done in Chinese prisons. Why kill someone when they can make you a couple hundred dollars worth of profit a month without having to worry about the government coming after you?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (4, Interesting)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091518)

If you think prison is big business in the US, you haven't seen anything until you look at China.

On a per capita basis, the USA imprisons four times as many people as China.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (5, Interesting)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091752)

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison), USA has more prisoners than china even in absolute numbers!
Some quick calculations tell me USA actually imprissions over five times as many people as China per capita.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091852)

Could the reason be that there aren't any niggers in China?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092180)

Does that include those that are executed?

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092242)

Yes.
Even taking the highest estimates for execution in China, it's still thousands of executions compared to millions of prisoners; statistically it makes little difference to the "five times" estimate.
China currently executes roughly 10x more people per capita than the US.
Ofcourse that's ignoring the US "backlog" of several thousands sentenced to death still in prison; these may or may not be executed in the future. But also this number would make little difference statistically.

Land of the free? (4, Interesting)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092198)

Thanks for the link, the map is really informative, from an Aussie's POV I find it unsurprising we are in the same band as Canada but I didn't expect China to be in there too.

I recently read another appalling statistical comparison ( somewhere on scienceblogs ), it said; -
The 27 nations of western Europe (including the UK) have a total population of 500M and a prison population of 600K (total for ALL crimes). The USA has a total population of 300M and a prison population of 500K (DRUG crimes only).

[citation] - According to my legacy 1950's wetware.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

ushere (1015833) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091038)

none - but if you mention it to anyone you'll find yourself in front of a firing squad, or worse still, working for foxconn.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (1)

pipelayerification (1707222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091348)

I don't think Jobs will go that far. Maybe just some mild torture.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091384)

This is the sound of the executives at apple caring:

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092056)

I wonder how many people will be executed for this whole ordeal.

I remember during the cold war, all sorts of nonsense was talked in the west about Russia. I see that now America is challenged in economic might by China, they are now object of the disinformation and wild conjecture.

Re:I hope Apple knows that China doesn't fuck arou (3, Insightful)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092102)

I wonder how many people will be executed for this whole ordeal.

What idiots vote this nonsense "interesting"? China has executed people for selling milk with generous amounts of grinded plastic added, making hundred thousands sick. China has executed people for stealing millions from state owned businesses. China doesn't execute people for opening a shop with a false Apple logo.

In other related news, Investigation is over. (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090836)

The Chinese city of Kunming has arrested a counterfeit group of investigators from shutting down 22 dejure Apple stores, and have instead focussed on shutting down the counterfeit City of Kunming and it's officers. "It's a crazy day, indeed! We had a counterfeit city with it's own investigators arresting actual registered Apple franchises, and when these counterfeit officers were captured they were operating out of our very own city buildings! 2 sides to every business card I guess." We are currently looking into a new investigation of news reporting for nerds in which one man Wob 'CorporalPita` Marda alleges the counterfeiters have cloned his Technology News website FRAFDOT.ORG into a counterfeit domain SLASHDOT.ORG to misreport investigations that don't exist but in counterfeit City of Kunming."

Re:In other related news, Investigation is over. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091322)

You have been smoking the same shit I haven't been smoking. Way to go fuckmunch!

iKid-ney (1, Insightful)

That Guy From Mrktng (2274712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090878)

When will they crack down on the criminals that took this boy's kidney in a state hospital? Oh right, never.

Just pointing that doesn't matter how much or how less fascist your government is, if it's the Corp orders:

YOU
BEND
OVER
PERIOD
.

Curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090882)

And too lazy to read blogs about blogs about blogs ... Are these fake Apple stores that sell fake Apple products, or stores that sell regular Apple gear and just don't want to pay up for the logo rights and maintain the price policies of Apple?

Re:Curious (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090954)

And too lazy to read blogs about blogs about blogs ... Are these fake Apple stores that sell fake Apple products, or stores that sell regular Apple gear and just don't want to pay up for the logo rights and maintain the price policies of Apple?

I'm too lazy to respond to ignorant, lazy AC's.

Re:Curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090958)

And too lazy to read blogs about blogs about blogs ... Are these fake Apple stores that sell fake Apple products, or stores that sell regular Apple gear and just don't want to pay up for the logo rights and maintain the price policies of Apple?

Define regular Apple gear. Are any of these products things that flunked QA for some reason? Are they reconditioned returns being sold for full price? Are they units from an unauthorized production run, without warrant, yet sold at full price? There are many such questions that need to be answered before we can saw no one was deceived nor harmed.

Re:Curious (2)

That Guy From Mrktng (2274712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091008)

I have an idea, let's ask the free press of.. or the government accountabilit.. how about some inside.... wow, probably and ironically the only one that can answer that is a blogger tunneling his way across the the great firewall.

Re:Curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090966)

Just asked a friend in the area -- apparently these are shops that carry (mostly) regular Apple gear, just don't have authorization from Apple. This smells of an Apple policy to limit supply in order to increase desirability, kinda like they banned online sales in Japan from outlets other than the Apple online store some months ago, so that shops there don't offer heavily discounted Apple gear.

Heads up on Apple for understanding the basic mechanism of creating image of desirability in a Communist country - people will always line up when they see a queue, and if they've waited enough, they'll buy anything so that they don't return home empty-handed.

Re:Curious (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090986)

Regular, fake, shmake... they fell off the same production line most likely.

Re:Curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091182)

Lifted off it. Those that fell of it turn up as Dropads in the cheaper online stores.

Sent from my Dropad

Customer paid for Apple warranty? (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091446)

Regular, fake, shmake... they fell off the same production line most likely.

Are they sold at a discount since they will not include a manufacturers warranty, or does the fake store offer an equivalent warranty?

Re:Curious (1)

kyz (225372) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092216)

Most of these stores are authorised Apple resellers.

Apple actually own and run all the Apple Stores, so an Apple Store won't appear in your city unless Apple decide to open one. It's not possible to "pay up for the logo rights" - Apple will never ask someone to open an Apple Store, they will open the Apple Store themselves. But only if they want to.

Is it all fake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37090920)

It is not clear if these fake stores also sell fake goods.
Or they simply sell Apple products without authorization?

I bought my iPad in Hong Kong (granted, it is not like the "other" China) in a little apple store in Nathan Road.
I had no problem at all.

Misinformation? (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 2 years ago | (#37090944)

Are the people in China really this misinformed about the goings on in their country to where they have to have the authorities sort this out for them?

I can't imagine they would stand for shopping at these stores had they known, after all they're there for the brand name like the rest of us, aren't they?

Employees didn't know they were fake (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091458)

Well when these stories originally broke there were some employees at these stores that were surprised to learn they were not really working for Apple.

Fake Steve Jobs (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091022)

Declined to comment on the closing the fake Apple Stores.

Re:Fake Steve Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091044)

that is the most funny joke I've seen here in awhile. bravo!

I'm having a beer on your behalf right now :)

hah, that was a good one!

Wow (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091036)

Apple has so much pull in China, they even pretended to care about an IP complaint? That's impressive.

Re:Wow (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092064)

I suppose Apple never even contacted the Chinese authorities but instead leaned on their Chinese suppliers who in turn contacted the local mob/ party official who then had things straightened out.

obviously somebody didn't get paid (enough) (0)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091054)

some one was either left out of the chain or their backer isn't high up enough; there are factories manufacturing counterfeit goods for years and no amount of complaints resulted in much of anything.

Knockoffs in India (1)

mustPushCart (1871520) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091062)

Theres a bunch of iphone knockoffs here in india too. Heres one with the specs:
http://mrtara.com/2010/04/21/ephone-mobile-phone-specifications-ephone-features-and-offers-ephone-mobile-price-in-india/ [mrtara.com]
89$

Re:Knockoffs in India (1)

VocationalZero (1306233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091168)

Accessories include: String, USB cable, Charger, and Radiation Guard.

Re:Knockoffs in India (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091664)

Not only does it come with those fine items, but it sports a Bluetooth cable as well!

Take that you Android fanbois!

Re:Knockoffs in India (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091412)

This is not about phones, this is about complete shops. They copied Apple's shop design, down to the employee's uniforms. Note that the article mentions these shops appeared to be selling genuine merchandise - so that part was not faked, for a change.

So if Apple was smart (2)

SilverJets (131916) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091220)

They'd wait for Chinese authorities to seize the stores as part of the case and then buy them for next to nothing. Already set up stores with the same look and feel as a legitimate store though they probably need some minor touch ups to bring them fully up to Apple spec. But...wow....they could get a new retail location for practically nothing.

Re:So if Apple was smart (3, Funny)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092148)

If Apple was smart, they'd be the largest company in America, and have more cash then the US government.

vs. the US??? (4, Insightful)

ebonum (830686) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091236)

1. I've read that the products sold were genuine.

2. Go to rural Alabama and ask those people about US intellectual property law. See how well they do. Somehow Americans expect people in a distant country who grew up under a communist regime ( not so communist for only the last 10 years. This is Kunming - not Shanghai or Beijing or Shenzhen ) to understand the laws of a country 5,000 miles away when a lot of Americans don't know American law. Then try asking people in Alabama making wood products to be shipped to China about the intricacies of Chinese building codes. If they don't know all the answers, what do you expect? We should put them in jail for not following Chinese laws?

Honestly people. Chinese in Kunming lived in a world from 200 years ago until just recently.

Re:vs. the US??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091410)

Uhm... but Chinese building codes are just that - CHINESE building codes, which may be more strict or more lax - or just different than building codes elsewhere.

The IP laws Apple filed a complaint under can only one ones that China has agreed to implement, which means they at least theoretically apply in China. (Even is, as we all know, China agreed only to shut the US up, rather than because of any actual intention to enforce them).

Also, this is no about the intricacies of some complex license or something, I mean they were copying the damned stores, and using the Apple trade-mark!!! If they made similar stores, and sold Apple products, but using their own trademark, then they would just be another 3rd party Apple retailer... maybe one operating close to the line, but still. While patent and copyright law have fair use and other wiggle room, trademark law is simple and clear - you may not use a trademark without permission in the area where it's used by the company who registered it. You *especially* may not use it with the intent to deceive - which is exactly what these stores were apparently doing. There's no way they didn't know that - they just didn't much care ;) (Not that I blame them...)

Re:vs. the US??? (4, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091538)

Point 2 is irrelevant. No one is expecting the consumers to know all that you've listed, that's not a rebuttal to anything. The expectation is on the businessmen who establish these American-branded retail shops internationally -- in which case YES they should know their shit, and when they intentionally abuse the system they should bear the consequences.

US laws don't apply (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091738)

China, maybe to your surprise, is not part of the USA. They have their own laws. They don't give a rodents rectum about what laws would apply in Alabama when it comes to how they decorate some store in China, since that part of China is not actually in Alabama. If you were able to quote applicable international treaties and maybe even local China law, I'd be all ears. Until then, your argument is not applicable.

Re:vs. the US??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091748)

2. Go to rural Alabama and ask those people about US intellectual property law. See how well they do. .

Why single out people from rural Alabama? 2010 state testing shows them above New Mexico, Arizona and even California. I think it's time we pick on the Southwest for a change.

Do the fake Apple stores sell people PCs? (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091258)

You know... sabotage [google.com] ? (EG)

It's a shame (4, Insightful)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091510)

All the effort that goes into creating knock-offs could be used to make something truly original.

Re:It's a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091744)

The Chinese are not a creative people. Productive, yes. Creative, no.

Re:It's a shame (2)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092502)

From all of the current news reports about China pumping out knock-offs it would certainly seem this way but for hundreds, if not thousands of years, the people that received positions of power in the government had to not only be extremely well-educated in writing and speaking but also in painting and poetry. I am definitely not an expert on Chinese culture but I do know that painting and poetry (creative skills) were held (maybe not recently) as equally high priorities as any other type of education.

Oh, good! (1)

Selanit (192811) | more than 2 years ago | (#37091588)

About time they shut those joints down. Last time I was in Beijing I stopped by an apple store to get lunch, but when I bit into it -- wax!

Re:Oh, good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37092078)

At least you're not biting the wax tadpole [snopes.com] .

Apple US government (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37091948)

Apple has more power over China than the entire American government... That's really sad.

When's the last time the US government was able to make China change any of their policies?.

I've been wondering... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092086)

Were the fake stores actually a plus to Apple? While they are not authentic Apple Stores, they still are pretty neat shops which sell original Apple gear.

The fake stores have even hired a new CEO (2)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092266)

Fake Steve Jobs, of course.

thavee (1)

thavee (1942194) | more than 2 years ago | (#37092452)

It is looking very good for me,ir it's goo when that ,i hope that.
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