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Aaron Barr Talks About DEFCON, Anonymous Attacks

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the between-the-barrs dept.

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Trailrunner7 writes "Finding Aaron Barr at this year's DEFCON hacker conference in Las Vegas was like a giant game of 'Where's Waldo.' Given the events of the past year, you can hardly blame him for keeping a low profile. First there was the attack on him and his then-employer, HBGary Federal, his decision to part ways with HBGary, his work to rehabilitate his image and turn his personal misfortunes into a 'teaching moment' for the industry, and then the legal wrangling in recent weeks that threw cold water on his plans to take part in a panel discussion about Anonymous at DEFCON. Barr was courted by numerous news outlets at the show, including the mainstream media. But he preferred, for the most part, to keep his own counsel. But he offered his thoughts to Threatpost on the experience of being at the conference, what the attack by Anonymous has done to him and whether it's possible for the group to turn its attentions to more constructive pursuits."

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Fuck Aaron Barr (1, Flamebait)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37105936)

It reads like they emailed him the questions and he replied in writing. Fuck him. I hope you're proud of what you put your family through just so you could try to thump your chest a little bit. Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Reap what you sow you lying asshat.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106242)

It's worse than that, honestly. If he were just a chest-thumping internet blowhard, that would just put him among the untold millions of gratingly defective personalities infesting the internet. No big deal.

However, for all his pleasant protests to the contrary "Oh, look at me, I'm against Wal-mart and the Iraq war!", he is basically the smiley face standing in front of a bunch of unsavory characters(HB Gary's work on rootkits, for instance, was not exactly "defensive" in nature...)

Choice little bits like "Good threat intelligence requires comprehensive real-time collection and analysis on all threats, and in a constantly connected, social media-dominated world, this appears to some as an encroachment by governments or companies on privacy in the name of security. In my opinion, well-intentioned efforts run afoul of some civil libertarians and privacy advocates because of the perception of encroachment. But with mediums like social networking Web sites, which enable easy manipulation of identity, it is getting difficult to separate the actual threats from the bystanders." certainly do sound all nice and 'nuanced'; but are basically a polite re-statement of the justification for the too-creepy-even-for-congress Total Information Awareness stuff.

In a slightly different vein, his "The need for anonymity for in the latter case is critical to protect whistleblowers or dissidents. In the case of the former - online protests - I believe anonymity and the lack of personal accountability is absolutely corrupting what I think are some of the key tenets of lawful protest. These include personal sacrifice and a willingness for individuals to stand up and be associated with a cause or idea with boots on the ground, as it were." sure does sound nice, except for its implied premise that there are "whistleblowers or dissidents", the good guys, who can be clearly separated from mere "protesters" who had better be ready to wear nametags and stand neatly in the free speech zone. Fantastic... Earth to Aaron Barr... Entities being attacked always classify their attackers, whatever their means, as the most dangerous/evil category available. Nobody says "Well, gosh, I guess that the guy who just leaked our secret plans is just a good, honest, whistleblower. Good on him!".

For all his 'shades of grey' droning, assertions of 'liberalism', and whatnot, this guy is a dirty little cog doing his bit for surveillance society(but not to fear, he says he is a "white hat"). At best, he maintains the oh-so-not-at-all-daring position that other people's dissidents are good guys who are worthy of protection; but the(apparently not "dissident") actions of 'attacking' "Law Enforcement" and "Sony" are just evil criminal stuff. Apparently they are in the way of "Western Information Dominance"...

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106482)

(HB Gary's work on rootkits, for instance, was not exactly "defensive" in nature...)

And the astroturfing software, too, that gave me the warm and fuzzies:

It was also revealed that HBGary Federal was contracted by the U.S. government to develop astroturfing software which could create an "army" of multiple fake social media profiles to manipulate and sway public opinion on controversial issues. This software could also scan for people with points of view the powers-that-be didn't like and then have the "fake" profiles attempt to discredit those "real" people.

source [wikipedia.org]

Yeah, he's one of the "good guys" alright. Give me a fucking break.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106830)

The "Team Themis" work for Bank of America also appears to have been heartwarmingly benign. I can't tell if this guy has a serious case of cognitive dissonance, or whether he is just lying.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37108466)

Maybe he's convinced himself to truly believe it. Only way to sleep at night.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107494)

Agreed! I liked Alexander Hamilton and his Federalist policies!

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107520)

(HB Gary's work on rootkits, for instance, was not exactly "defensive" in nature...)

Why do you think it is bad that a US government contractor is developing rootkits? What do you think the DoD is doing about cyber warfare? They know they are behind and they are spending top dollar to catch up.

Way to miss the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37108094)

You even quoted the very bit that has NOTHING TO DO with "it's bad". That statement that you cannot read says that the rootkit work was not defensive in nature.

This has NOTHING to do with "why do you think it's bad..." that you then follow on with.

This is known as a non-sequitor, with an added dollop of stupid in that you quote something you then ignored.

Re:Way to miss the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37108984)

You Sir, are an idiot. You clearly need to re-read the OP or else go back to basic grammar school (if you ever went in the first place). Here I'll help you:

he is basically the smiley face standing in front of a bunch of unsavory characters(HB Gary's work on rootkits, for instance, was not exactly "defensive" in nature...)

Unsavory == bad

The OP clearly called HB Gary bad for making offensive rootkits.

Troll.

Re:Way to miss the point (1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37114230)

Shill.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110228)

There are several prongs to why: One, it isn't clear that their rootkit development is restricted to fed work. The leaked emails related to their rootkit work specifically mention an "intent to commercialize". Even if they were restricted to fed work, there is certainly no evidence that their customers are only those entities concerned with external surveillance. Given the eagerness and creepiness of the HB Gary/Palantir/Berlico proposal to BoA to deal with wikileaks and a journalist who was considered troublesome(and similar work for the 'US Chamber of Commerce') I'm inclined to find the development of purely offensive tools, like rootkits, rather sinister.

Second, their emphasis on selling exploit code, even if their customer list is a bunch of squeaky-clean boy scouts, creates a perverse incentive for them as a security company: to stockpile and conceal a variety of zero-day vulnerabilities in assorted common software(the phrase to look for, in the leaked email archives is "juicy fruit", they enthusiastically collected them). Given the very high dependence of US, and 1st world generally, nations on their computers working properly, a situation where 'defense' contractors have an incentive to make virtually all software users less safe, just so the feds have an easier time inserting rootkits, is a deeply perverse and undesirable one.

because their targets are journalists? (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#37112840)

and labor unions?

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108278)

"But with mediums like social networking Web sites, which enable easy manipulation of identity, it is getting difficult to separate the actual threats from the bystanders." This is one of the better observations I have heard regarding the current state of the Internet. "protesters" who had better be ready to wear name tags and stand neatly in the free speech zone" This is just your interpretation of what he actually said or do you really know what he is thinking and consider yourself a fucking psychic truth detector? If your cause is so damn righteous eventually you will need to step forward and identify yourself to make any changes or do you think people will just listen to someone standing in the shadows screaming about the injustice they have to put up with. By the way if I hack into any databases containing information about you such as your financial account balances, criminal records, spending habits, tax returns, home address, work address, children's schools, or any other pieces of information readily available in the digital world would I be a good guy or a bad guy in your eyes? What if I only did this to people that don't happen to share your political ideology and ideals on how the world operates? Would it be OK in that instance?

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109570)

The bit about "Western Information Dominance" cracked me up. Basically, a (Digital) White Man's Burden, right?

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110276)

It struck me as the surveillance geek analog to the "Honor Bound to Defend Freedom" sign that hangs, without a hint of irony, in front of Gitmo...

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37112568)

Unfortunately, liberalism has BECOME the surveillance society in the west. So has conservatism.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106334)

Probably not a good comparison, but to me Aaron Barr is kinda morphing into a Jack Thompson like figure. He gets way too much attention from the media, and his quixotic efforts to takedown Anonymous makes him look like a clown.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107174)

...and his quixotic efforts to takedown Anonymous makes him look like a clown.

What do you mean? He's obviously a hero that's going to reform Anonymous. "We turned our attention to more constructive pursuits for the lulz."

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (3, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106384)

From TFA

Board rooms now regularly discuss corporate vulnerabilities and mitigation strategies. In turn, they are spending more on security as a result of these threats. That is a good thing right? Maybe.

Maybe?? Did this guy not work for a fucking security firm? Now it's "maybe" a good thing they are spending more on security?

Is he trolling himself now?

Funny how the conversation always comes around to it being all because of those damn dirty hackers. You don't see anyone in the mainstream media saying "Hey, Sony, maybe you shouldn't have been storing customer info in plaintext on your poorly secured servers?" Anonymous gets a hold of that, and they embarrass people. Eastern European or Chinese hacker groups get a hold of it, we're in a far worse position.

We can sit here and pray for a day when there won't be hackers, it'll never happen, but whatever. But what we can't do is just ignore the woefully inadequate security measures being used in these companies that, frankly, can afford a lot better. They refuse to let us use these services without every piece of information about us they can get short of a DNA sample, throw said info on an open server with no protection, and then blame everyone else when they get hacked and lose customer data.

This is why customer data should be regulated the same as medical data. If our medical records were stored like our credit card numbers are on so many sites, people would have a shit fit. It's time to start holding these companies liable for gross negligence when they can't maintain the security of our data within reason.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107528)

In my view, that "maybe" is important. Spending more money on "security" may or may not actually improve security posture. Money spent in fear without understanding isn't guaranteed to go towards sane, educated decisions.

He did (HBGary) & it concerns U ALL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37117418)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All [dailykos.com]

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

and

"They are talking about creating the illusion of consensus. And consensus is a powerful persuader... And another thing, this is just one little company of assholes. I can't believe there aren't others doing this already. From oil companies, political campaigns, PR firms, you name it. Public opinion means big bucks. And let's face it, what these guys are talking about is easy."

and

"To the extent that the propaganda technique known as "Bandwagon" is an effective form of persuasion, which it definitely is, the ability for a few people to infiltrate a blog or social media site and appear to be many people, all taking one position in a debate, all agreeing, for example, that so and so is not credible, or a crook, is an incredibly powerful weapon."

---

MAN - WHAT A PACK OF LITTLE PLASTIC WORMS & JERKS! I, for one, would NEVER trust them again, as they operate largely on DECEITS online - I personally cannot STAND that type online (they think they're "*smart*", & that they're fooling others, but they're only fooling themselves & were EXPOSED IN IT too!)

* I'd suggest reading the whole article in the link I put up above & not only because of the quotes I pulled from it to get your attention here, but also because it largely BACKS THE FACT THAT EVEN PSEUDONYMS DON'T MATTER, because they're easy to create via alternate email accounts, TOR endpoint proxies usage, OR anonymous proxy server usage on the part of those seeking to be "many from 1"!

(Yes, I'd read that folks - because it MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT YOU ONE DAY ALSO & be "levelled against you" (I hope not)... & I KNOW I've had it happen to me, here, & others spots online (I busted clone52431/clone53421 & others doing it in fact, the "trolltalk.com" pack of admitted trolls around here in fact)).

I don't KNOW if A. Barr is the one behind that specifically, but I am fairly SURE he worked for they iirc... & they're pretty damned LOW imo @ least (anyone who uses that b.s. online? Is what I call a "NOT MAN"... & a weasel!)

APK

P.S.=> That's for anyone that tries to say I am "full of it", etc./et al - though I know that most of you KNOW this type of crap really does go on online, & how/when/where/why IF NOT BY WHOM as well...

... apk

Re:Fuck WrongSizeGlass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106984)

Oh shut up you filthy little geek speck of nothing.

Re:Fuck WrongSizeGlass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107092)

Oh shut up you filthy little geek speck of nothing.

Aaron, is that you?

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107164)

Didn't he also kill Alexander Hamilton in a duel?

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107420)

LOL

for those who slept in U.S. history class:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Burr [wikipedia.org]

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108410)

Or those of us not form the US. I've heard there's quite a lot of US around.

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108428)

Fuck damn it!

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108576)

those not from the U.S. should disregard this thread altogether, and mostly disregard U.S. vice presidents who never became president as they historically didn't do much. Except for twisted evil fucks like Dick Cheney

Re:Fuck Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37114390)

Awww, it's nice to see that anon forgives and forgets. I guess the face-time at DEFCON and this article has them seeing the light. Amazed that Aaron Barr and/or Sayres and Associates haven't felt the sting yet.

"More Constructive Pursuits"? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106004)

Is he implying, by the notion of "more constructive" that crushing him and shedding some light on his creepy private-sector-spook buddies was not, in fact, a valuable use of time?

If it were possible to do so more widely and efficiently that would certainly be "more constructive"; but I'm suspecting that he has something else entirely in mind...

Re:"More Constructive Pursuits"? (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106098)

I have to agree. Aaron Barr's dishonesty seems to know very few bounds. I'd be happier if a lot of people like him suddenly found themselves jobless.

Re:"More Constructive Pursuits"? (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106614)

Hm, can we rig up some sort of VOIP system so we can hear the lamentations of their women?

Re:"More Constructive Pursuits"? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109070)

Does the time when that HB Gary exec came in to the anon IRC channel and begged for mercy count?

It wasn't strictly audible; but it was both hilarious and the lamentations of one of their women...

Re:"More Constructive Pursuits"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37119010)

Maybe I insure my next car in a similar way..
Did the insurance company cancel the contract? mhmm, let me put it this way..

my decision to part ways with it*

(*was my decision to wrap the sports car around a tree while being totally drunk, smoking a joint and having a hooker snort coke from my cock)

Aaron Barr attacked anonymous first (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106040)

If I recall correctly he was attempting to attack anonymous, and once they found this out they ripped him apart.
I'm not condoning the actions of either party, but you don't walk into a pit of wolves without being fully aware of the risks you are taking. Ars has a detailed series on this saga that gives the full detail:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/anonymous-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-hbgary-hack.ars

Re:Aaron Barr attacked anonymous first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106214)

hello internet found this please help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106140)

aaron.barr.isadouchebag.com

Barr had it coming, but... (2)

blahblahwoofwoof (2287010) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106150)

...Anonymous are just a bunch of thugs now. Had they stuck to their original purpose they could have been a force for good. Now they're farce - no different from every ego-centric hacker group that came before them.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106202)

You've gotta be kidding.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106250)

Pray, tell us, what was Anonymous' "original purpose"?

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

morethanapapercert (749527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106360)

lulz

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106266)

Anon's purpose has never changed. Though the value of results they produce can be debated, they've been thugs from the start.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106288)

Anonymous original purpose? Which one were you thinking of -

Do it for the lulz?
Because none of us is as bad as all of us?
Internet hate machine?

Anonymous has always been about pissing people off and messing with their lives for fun.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37106444)

I think you could still classify most of their stuff as "for the lulz."

Still, it's be nice if they could pull that junk on some jerk politician. Perhaps it wouldn't be as satisfying as going after someone in the security industry, but I can't imagine it wouldn't be sweet nonetheless.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

Gunkerty Jeb (1950964) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107106)

If that's is true, then why does Anonymous release a super melodramatic, self-important manifesto every time they deface a website? If it's for the Lulz then laugh. It's not for the lulz though, it's for the attention.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108740)

Nota bene: "lulz" is not an alternate spelling of "lol" and isn't necessarily about any commonsense notion of laughing. Most of lulz is, in fact, about attention. Sometimes, a manifesto is sincerely meant, and sometimes it's just more trolling. And sometimes it's just not there (which happens too). And since lulz are about attention and power and self-satisfaction, and since website defacing is pretty much always about "look at what I did" (cracking culture has always been this way), it'd be silly to expect anything else.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37117096)

If that's is true, then why does Anonymous release a super melodramatic, self-important manifesto every time they deface a website? If it's for the Lulz then laugh. It's not for the lulz though, it's for the attention.

You are obviously out of touch with the current generation's buzzwords. Let me guess, you think "getting high" involves climbing a tall structure, right?

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106328)

Doing shit because you find it funny is a force for good? What "good" came of creating lots of black men in suits avatars and blocking off areas in a stupid social networking/virtual hotel thing and forming swastikas and declaring the pool closed due to AIDS? Aside from being funny of course.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (5, Interesting)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106342)

Now? As if at some point in the past they were different? Are you really that stupid?

There is a reason why mob justice isn't legal, because its never about the fucking justice and always about one group making another group or individual suffer for various reasons of personal gain.

The Internet is not DIFFERENT than anything else, people there are EXACTLY THE SAME as everywhere else.

Just because at one point in the past they were picking on people that you didn't like, doesn't mean they were trying to do something good. You just happen to share a common foe for the moment, nothing more. Stop trying to make some random group of losers on the Internet a romantic fairy tale.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107548)

There is a reason why mob justice isn't legal, because its never about the fucking justice and always about one group making another group or individual suffer for various reasons of personal gain.

That's relativistic bullshit. The fact that mobjustice even occurs is a sign that "real" justice apparently isn't working the way it is meant to. Anonymous is not exactly a narrow, geographically constricted group from a certain caste of our society that is biased towards committing injustice for personal gain.

Or perhaps you can elaborate on what personal gain Anonymous achieves by doing what they do? As far as I can see, the general public are the only ones who stands to gain if Anonymous is succesful with its ideas.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107922)

The Internet is not DIFFERENT than anything else, people there are EXACTLY THE SAME as everywhere else.

People are the same, but what they are allowed to do is different. At one time public stonings were universally accepted; now they are frowned upon in most countries. However, on the Internet, they are still a common occurence.

Re:Barr had it coming, but... (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106908)

troll more creatively please.

Aaron Barr got his ass handed to him, almost specifically for being unethical. This shouldn't exactly be a surprise.

not everything is black and white (1)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106236)

Barr's world view is IMO too simplistic, the answer to "'Building a better Anonymous.’ Is that possible?" shows his black/white thinking.

the first sentences of the second paragraph read slightly rephrased like: "Anonymous is only a serious activist organization when the targets are political opportune, e.g. Egypt and Tunesia. Attacking Law Enforcement (but not the Egypt and Tunesian ones) or Sony is straight criminal"

Re:not everything is black and white (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37111016)

It isn't just black-and-white, it's either blindingly idiotic or sheer jingoism...

Can he seriously doubt that his hypothetical counterparts in Egypt and Tunisia were doing anything other than denouncing the merely criminal activities of those who, unlike legitimate activists, simply attacked Law Enforcement?

If he can, and somehow imagines that 'evil' regimes consist entirely of bad guys twirling their mustaches and congratulating themselves on how evil they are, then he is being idiotic. If he can't, then his point amounts to little more than "Our Law Enforcement good, their law enforcement evil!" That may, as it turns out, incidentally be true; but you can't usefully hold such a position with some standards for determining what actions make a given entity 'bad' or 'good', a 'legitimate activist' target, or something that only a 'mere criminal' would attack. He seems to have skipped that part.

I RTFA... (0)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106336)

... and I'm sharing my impression... with the hope it will save others some time so they can waste it on more intelligent news: for example, try this: Man Just Walked Into Best Buy For No Reason Whatsoever [theonion.com]

Anyone can join (2)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106352)

Anonymous's theoretical view is that anyone can join.

That means they will attract both "good" and "bad" (and perhaps some "ugly"). Therefore "more constructive pursuits, " whatever that may be- will be followed, as will more dumbarse pursuits, more juvenile pursuits, and more lulzish pursuits.

You have to think what type of people will be attracted to the un"organization" to see what direction it will take.

Outright criminals are unlikely- no profit.
Professionals are unlikely
Bored, younger, tech-savy singles are most likely

I suspect therefore their targets in general are going to continue to be more for the mischievious and disruptful.

No Constructive Checks! (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106436)

To me "constructive" is outing worthless government contractors who are worthless.

Shedding light on how our government throws money away on these inept (and most likely friends') contractors is what we need.

choice quote (2)

dirtyhippie (259852) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106440)

FTA: "I would have loved the opportunity to convey a few misunderstandings about me." Nothing to see here, move along.

Aaron who? (1)

Svartormr (692822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37106942)

For a minute there, I thought they were talking about Aaron Burr [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Aaron who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107054)

Same here. Maybe he'll get into a duel with Alexander Humilton?

Re:Aaron who? (1)

FFOMelchior (979131) | more than 3 years ago | (#37107228)

For a minute there, I thought they were talking about Aaron Burr [wikipedia.org] .

For a minute there, I thought they meant Aaawooon Baaauuuh.

Re:Aaron who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37114746)

Got milk?

wait... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37107286)

so, this guy gets hacked and proven to be a failure in the security world, and scum, and it BOOSTS his career? i'm i lost? is this earth? i can't believe anyone would listen to him about anything at this point. much less large conferences, and the /. crowd...

Re:wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37114516)

I agree it's water under the bridge let Aaron Barr earn his 6 figure salary at Sayres & Assoc and peddle his story to whoever listens.

Constructive (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108230)

But he offered his thoughts to Threatpost on the experience of being at the conference, what the attack by Anonymous has done to him and whether it's possible for the group to turn its attentions to more constructive pursuits.

For Aaron Barr, the definition of "constructive" begins and ends with making money... by whatever means available.

Constructive (1)

horza (87255) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109260)

"and whether it's possible for the group to turn its attentions to more constructive pursuits."

Take a look at the list of charges against Aaron Barr in the comments above. How is taking him out of circulation not constructive?

Phillip.

"More constructive pursuits" (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109416)

What can be more constructive than pursuing hired whores that are out to spy on the citizens for the profit of a few private parties or a repressive regime.

Wait! What? (1)

hedronist (233240) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110644)

You wouldn't believe the Tour of the Internet I just took to see if the HBGary Aaron Barr was (somehow) the same guy who was a housemate of mine back in the 70s.

No, thank God, he's not. My guy is the one who wrote The Handbook of Artificial Intelligence back in the early 80s.

Re:Wait! What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37110924)

This guy is @aaronbarr on Twitter.

At least he was forced out of HBGary Federal as a result of his unintentional (if I'm being nice) or outright fascistic (if I'm not) actions. So at least he's not gaining much besides notoriety (and fame for his utter lack of understanding re computer security) from his self-induced fiasco.

As long as there's an Internet, this guy is a pariah unless and until he repudiates his intention of handing poorly-researched lists of [mostly innocent] names to the FBI in the name of "research". If he couldn't (or still can't) see how the Feds could twist that, he is dangerous. Keep in mind, though, that HBGary Federal wrote backdoors for the government, so which side he is on isn't clear (even though Barr claims to live with shades of gray) so I wouldn't expect him to alter position much.

Let's periodically remind him he's a pariah from whom the world awaits an apology and that he should wise up or publically apologize. For example, he's an amateur mycologist so let's send him the list of names of every fungus known. In fact, let's ALL send him that list! At least once, perhaps twice to ensure delivery!

how can we separate Gary from what happened? (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#37112816)

Team Themis was being payed, purposely, to do the kind of work that Barr was doing.

Barr's actions against anonymous were simply a logical extension of his ordinary job description. Find 'targets' who are opposed to your clients interests, and then collect intelligence on them, for purposes of character assassination.

I mean, thats what HBGary was payed to do as part of Team Themis. Not Aaron Barr, HB Gary, Berico Technologies, and Palantir Technologies.

Re:how can we separate Gary from what happened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122614)

Actually they weren't being paid for Themis, and HBGary Fed was about to run out of money. That was sort of the cause of all the later problems. Barr got unbelievably desperate and decided that it would be great publicity to claim he had discovered the identities of the leadership of Anon with Themis techniques in the press. That's just so stupid of him on many levels, I mean come one 'leadership of Anon' and you really want to piss them off and what about HBGary and Panatir effects, I can go on, what a moron. Anyway this guy is both stupid and desperate at this point, he claims he was not going to tell the FBI the names on his list, who believes that? All it would have taken was a check, at most, probably just stoking his ego. That list could have gotten a lot of innocent people in hot water.

Aaron Barr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37112654)

Schooled that bitch.

what about his victims? (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#37112796)

what about the rights of people like Glenn Greenwald and others? what about the invasions of privacy committed by Team Themis and others like them? What about the leaked emails that would allegedly place Barr in the position of hacker, as he experimented with his companies own 'offensive' (as opposed to defensive) tools and practices?

Aaron Barr is a bad guy (1)

Sean (422) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122678)

Anonymous is in fact giving voice and force to the dispossessed. Aaron Barr doesn't see it that way because he built his career working for the bad guys.

The existence of child pornography is not a serious issue we face. As reprehensible as sexual abuse of children is, mere possession of images of it should not be a crime. Child pornography is mostly used as a pretext for border guards to go on fishing expeditions.

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