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1 in 8 Take Fake Phone Calls to Avoid Talking to Others

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the quiet-please-I'm-pretending-to-have-a-conversation dept.

Handhelds 160

A survey conducted by the Pew Internet & American Life Project found that people are lying 13% of the time when they say they have to take a cell phone call around you. That number jumps to an inconsiderate 30% in the 18- to 29-year-old age group. The survey also found that 42% of the 18-to-29 group "have had trouble doing something because they did not have their phone nearby." More than a quarter of survey respondents...sorry, I have to take this call.

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First post (4, Funny)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108894)

I'd post something worthwhile but I need to take this call. . .

Re:First post (0)

highonv8splash (1054018) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108990)

The cliche was inevitable

Haha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37108906)

Pussies!

Re:Haha (-1, Offtopic)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109932)

said the anonymous pussy

Quick Question (1)

h4x0t (1245872) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108936)

Are we talking business majors here, or like... regular people?

Statistics fail (5, Informative)

spazdor (902907) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108958)

"People are lying 13% of the time?" C'mon.

From RTFA, the real stat was that 13% of adults admitted to doing this ever. I think we can be generous and assume that that 13% aren't doing this 100% of the time.

Re:Statistics fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109024)

13% of people lacked the confidence to say fuck off, and/or goodbye.

obligatory (1)

spazdor (902907) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109034)

(Go on somebody, make the Sex Panther joke.)

Re:obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109098)

13 percent of the time, Ron Burgundy jokes are predictable every time

Re:obligatory (1)

Tsar (536185) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109198)

Yep, the OP was made with bits of real statistics, so you know it's good.

Re:obligatory (1)

codeAlDente (1643257) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109816)

The only real statistics are bits. Also, 70% of statistics are made-up.

Re:obligatory (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109520)

Nice reference, where'd you get it? The REFERENCE store?

Re:obligatory (1)

spazdor (902907) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109938)

I'm all out of references... could you give me a few pointers?

Re:obligatory (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110088)

interkin3tic, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by, maybe lay low for awhile because you're probably wanted for using a cliched reference on /..

Re:Statistics fail (1)

jovius (974690) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110004)

But how do we know if people are lying or not?

I'm wondering whether I should yell YOU FUCKING LIAR for every eight sudden call taker around me or carry a D8 dice on me and let it roll.

Re:Statistics fail (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110434)

Are their lips moving (or fingers in the case of typing)?

We have a system at work like this (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108964)

we will IM others to call us just so we have an excuse to hang up on someone else, it is even good for getting rid of people who come to your desk and won't leave.

Re:We have a system at work like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109148)

...or you could grow a pair and just, y'know, tell people to fuck off

Re:We have a system at work like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109208)

Being a timid, scared little man is the path of least resistance.

Re:We have a system at work like this (1)

sysrammer (446839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109856)

...or you could grow a pair and just, y'know, tell people to fuck off

...sez the Anonymous Coward

Re:We have a system at work like this (3, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110550)

Interesting comment from an anonymous coward.

Anyway, telling people at your workplace to "fuck off" will likely lead to a talk with your boss or HR, disciplinary action, or termination. Workplaces don't like employees who "aren't good team players". Of course, they never do anything about the obnoxious loudmouth who keeps interrupting people who are doing real work so he can make himself look important.

I'd say the fake phone call is a good workaround for this problem.

Re:We have a system at work like this (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109976)

Brilliant, and avoids hurting the feelings of people who may be useful.

Re:We have a system at work like this (1)

Sta7ic (819090) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110390)

Another good way to dissuade coworkers from hanging around is to pull out a camera. It's the shotgun of office politics ~ there's no mistaking the sounds of the lens covers coming off, or the click of the shutter. Point'n'shoots, with that whirrr-whir as it extends the lens, also gets people's attention. Just some exposed glass has been enough to clear some of my coworkers out of the 4-plex, from time to time. Every now and then I even turn the camera on and get some random pictures. 55-200 lens get REALLY CLOSE UP from 10'.

App idea (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37108966)

It's a bit hard to convincingly fake taking a phone call when your phone is not ringing.

Maybe someone should make a smartphone application that could react to some kind of surreptitious gesture and make the phone ring. After a short delay to avoid making it obvious.

Re:App idea (2)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109046)

How about a bluetooth sensor? You could tell it to randomly call you in 2min stddev 1min whenever that jerks phone is in range. Doesn't completely ignore the jerk but at least will put a limit to how much of your time they can waste.

Re:App idea (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109196)

I was thinking more literally, put a bluetooth enabled strain gauge in a filling so that when you get annoyed enough to clench your jaw, the phone fakes an urgent call.

Re:App idea (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109532)

My broadband RF scanner has a directional antenna and picks up 2.4GHz. I actually found someone who had the pressure-activated tooth filling you described! The RF scanner cost me $590 but the ability it gave me to safely call that girl a lying bitch in public when she did it was PRICELESS! :>

Hey.. It sounded good.

Re:App idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109060)

A friend of mine has this on his phone (samsung ...). You have a sort of alarm app which fakes a phone call at a specific time!

Re:App idea (2)

ks9208661 (1862000) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109264)

I have this on my HTC Android phone too. It's a widget called Fake Call. You select a person in your phone book who will fake-call you, then the number of minutes of delay (from 0 to 10 minutes) before you get the call. It would be nice if this could be scheduled at a specific time.

Re:App idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109630)

I'm pretty sure someone can tell us how to use the Tasker App in conjunction with Fake Call to do just that - ring at a specific time.

Re:App idea (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109064)

It's a bit hard to convincingly fake taking a phone call when your phone is not ringing.

"It's on vibrate."

Re:App idea (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110106)

It's a bit hard to convincingly fake taking a phone call when your phone is not ringing.

"It's on vibrate."

"But I didn't hear it vibrate."
"I've got the vibrator off, since it makes too much noise in the theater."
"Then how did you know it was vibrating?"
"Look, I've got this call to take."

Re:App idea (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110296)

"But I didn't hear it vibrate."

Vibrate is noisy on a lot of phones, but on other phones, you can't really hear it from a few feet away...which is, after all, the point of vibrate.

Re:App idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109112)

My partner's decidedly not smart Motorola is supposed to have this feature. It is in the manual. There is a setting in the phone, how long the wait should be (5, 10, 20, 30, 60 seconds) between when you press the buttons, and it rings.

The trouble, it doesn't work. The buttons don't make the phone "fake ring" no matter how you press them, or what order you press them in.

I would be all for taking the phone back as defective, if we lived in a country with strong consumer protection laws. But, as far as I know, we don't.

Apparently other's have this problem too, as a quick web search will reveal.

Re:App idea (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109184)

There's already an app for that that [apple.com] .

Re:App idea (1)

Unkyjar (1148699) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109610)

It amuses me greatly when I use that app on my iPod.

Re:App idea (2)

the_leander (759904) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109386)

The Samsung Tocco Lite has a fake call feature, just press and hold the volume button for a couple of seconds and it's good to go. A few moments later and you get what looks to be an incoming call from someone withholding their number.

Very useful for getting out of a situation where you don't want to talk but at the same time don't wish to be rude.

Re:App idea (1)

Bobakitoo (1814374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109774)

Very useful for getting out of a situation where you don't want to talk but at the same time don't wish to be rude.

Taking a call while been with peoples use to be rude. Usually the person receiving a call ask to be excused, leave and then take the call. Maybe i am old-fashioned but i think you can do just that without a noisy gadget.

Re:App idea (1)

the_leander (759904) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109878)

Exactly - "Sorry, I've been waiting for this call, excuse me".

There is little the other person can say or do to stop it without themselves being rude, either way, you have your out.

Re:App idea (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110610)

Depends on where you are. Some people have mentioned doing this in an office setting, where some obnoxious coworker is talking your ear off about some drivel you don't care about, but you're too polite to tell him to fuck off (plus, if you did, you'd probably face disciplinary measures for "not being a team player").

When someone calls you on an office phone, leaving to take the call isn't an option. Moreover, if you're in YOUR cubicle, why should you leave to take the call, even if it's on your cellphone?

Re:App idea (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109560)

It's a bit hard to convincingly fake taking a phone call when your phone is not ringing.

My phone has a fake phone function. It rings and I can hang up again when I want.

People tend to do these white lies all the time. When she asks if she looks fat in whatever she wears, your ass is toast if you tell the truth. OK, wrong example, you are dead anyway.

When people ask 'how are you'? They do not want to hear the truth. People expect to hear "Fine, how are you?"

Re:App idea (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109580)

It's a bit hard to convincingly fake taking a phone call when your phone is not ringing.

But more effective in the long term if you do it right...

Them: Blah blah blah
Me: Oh, that's my cell phone, gotta take this
Them: But I didn't hear it ring...
Me: [reaches into pocket, draws out nothing, looks into empty hand] It's the president!
Them: You don't even have a cell phone...
Me: [thumb to ear and pinkie in front of mouth] Yes Mr. President! TERRIBLY fucking boring! Ugly too!
Them: [never talks to me again]

Re:App idea (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109704)

just change "Them to "Everybody" if you've ever done that.

Re:App idea (1)

dr. chuck bunsen (762090) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109586)

Already exists. At least for Android.

Re:App idea (1)

Quirkz (1206400) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110450)

You mean you don't keep a panic button taped to the underside of your desk, where you can surreptitiously bump it with a knee?

Never done it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109082)

I usually just walk away if I want to walk away, I don't need a damn reason.

Re:Never done it. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109494)

I think the interesting thing here is that people seem to think that it's OK to answer a phone while they're talking to somebody else. It's understandable if one is a receptionist that needs to answer the phone, but for most people it's rude regardless of whether or not there's somebody on the line.

Same goes for call waiting. There are a limited number of times during which it is acceptable to use call waiting most of the time you're showing a decided lack of respect for the person that's one the line.

Re:Never done it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109806)

There's a reason for doing that. The person calling you doesn't know what you're doing, but the one you're talking to does know that you're taking a call. It is therefore less rude to take the call than to leave the caller in the dark. The right thing to do is to apologize, take the call, inform the caller that you'll call back, end the call quickly and return to your conversation.

Another option is to reject the call. Unfortunately many callers don't get it and immediately call again, so this is only an option if most of your friends understand that ringing followed by the busy signal means you noticed the call but can't talk right now.

Re:Never done it. (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109900)

immediately walk away from someone if they answer the phone mid-conversation. if they raise their finger, raise them your middle finger and walk away. they'll catch on.

I don't believe it... (1)

trunicated (1272370) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109088)

All the 18-29 year olds that I know will sit there and text and facebook and whatnot while they're talking to you. I don't think they would be polite enough to fake a phone call to not want to talk to me... I'd think they would just get up and leave.

Then again, maybe I'm just a lot of fun to talk to

Re:I don't believe it... (1)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109612)

All the 18-29 year olds that I know will sit there and text and facebook and whatnot while they're talking to you. I don't think they would be polite enough to fake a phone call to not want to talk to me... I'd think they would just get up and leave.

Then again, maybe I'm just a lot of fun to talk to

Huh? Oh, are you still here? I was doing something else. What were you talking about? Oh, wait, I have this important text message to read, hold that thought.

Re:I don't believe it... (3, Interesting)

DigiTechGuy (1747636) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109950)

I see this crap all the time and find it tremendously disrespectful. I fall in that 18-29 age group, though at the upper end. I have a few friends at the lower end of that spectrum and they're worse than my older friends. I generally don't call those younger "kids" very often. Why would I want to invite someone to be a guest in my home who is going to eat my food, drink my beer, and ignore me? Then when they can tell you're getting irritated, typically after you point it out at face value several times, they might engage in conversation for a minute or two. Though when they do, you can tell they're not really involved in the conversation, but just waiting to talk. I don't need those types of people in my life. They're always looking for the next big party or next best thing instead of enjoying the company they're with.

So that being said, it's no surprise 3 of my best friends are in their 50s, and a couple others in their 30s and 40s. I'm by far the youngest in my normal social circle.

Well, in my opinion (0)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109132)

In my opinion this clearly shows that...

Oh, sorry: Got to take this call.

Re:Well, in my opinion (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109600)

When someone "takes a call" within about ten feet of me, the FlameWar App(tm)(sm)(r)(c) automagically finds their contact info and haunts them for a month.

Take that, you hot girl that thought I wasn't stupid enough to be cool......

Oh, wait. Uh.. sorry I can't finish this, I have a conference call.

I'll be the first to say (2)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109134)

that I have done this before--not to avoid contact with people, but to make it look like I'm making contact with people.

Signed,
Forever Alone lolololol

Re:I'll be the first to say (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109692)

I was actually going to say the same thing. I tend to pull out my cell and flip though the menus/old texts when I'm in one of those awkward situations where I'm waiting in uncomfortable places for uncomfortable lengths of time. I pull my phone out more because that's just what people do than I do because I'm actually using it. And I'm supposed to be part of the generation that does this crap all the time.

Can't say I've ever done it to avoid someone though. My phone is so old nobody would believe that -- anyone who was actually using their phone more than a couple times a week would have one that wasn't nearing a decade old.

Re:I'll be the first to say (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110244)

Same thing here. If something, I pull the little box to read the RSS feeds or check on messages (and even send some messages) when I'm by myself in a place and haven't had the chance of meeting anyone.

It must be the utter social ineptitude part from the knack.

I've absolutely done this. (1)

ultraexactzz (546422) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109166)

Speed dial #2 on my cell goes to my office phone - makes checking voicemail easy. And when the guy in the next office comes over to tell me about some damn facebook game he's playing now, I can fidget with my phone, hold down the number 2, and boom - my phone rings. "Oh sorry man, I need to get that."

Of course, if he ever notices that it's always the same number...

And as a bonus, I change the name from "Work" to "Santa" during christmastime. Scares the hell out of a kid throwing a tantrum when I threaten them with a long distance call to the North Pole.

Re:I've absolutely done this. (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109360)

An alternative to faking cell calls is to fake listening to your iPod. I know plenty of people (myself included) who will have our headphones on, even if they're not actually listening to anything. Hell, I know people who don't even carry their ipod with them. They just have their headphones on and the other end goes into their pocket. It's especially useful when on Tri-Met or any other public transportation or public situation. If you just want to be left alone and not hassled or bothered, it's a fantastic way to achieve it and you don't have to go through the motions of pretending to talk to anyone on a phone.

Re:I've absolutely done this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109504)

A glare works better.

Re:I've absolutely done this. (1)

Unkyjar (1148699) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109662)

You are obviously not a New Yorker if you think glares will stop the subway preachers.

Re:I've absolutely done this. (1)

sysrammer (446839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109940)

fake listening to your iPod

Yah, guilty there.

Another advantage is that it decreases traffic noise by X decibels (for my buds, I estimate about 12 db's). Considering that each 3 db drop will halve the sound level, it's a reasonable decrease, yet still allows audio situational awareness.

sr

"There is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." -- Mark Twain

Nobody fakes (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109216)

Like Meg Ryan in "When Harry Met Sally"
Memorable post performance line: "I'll have what she's having" delivered by director Reiner's mother.

busted (1)

Krau Ming (1620473) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109242)

I saw one of the TV announcers for the Toronto Raptors chatting on his cell phone when it loudly rang in his ear. guess he was one of the 13%.

18-29 year olds are disrespectful (2, Interesting)

quintin3265 (1552941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109348)

The most interesting fact from this article is that 18-to-29 year-olds are much more likely to use cell phones as an excuse to not talk to someone. This jives with my experience in real life. Finally, now it is possible to agree with our grandparents that young people are more inconsiderate than old people.

People in that age group seem to think that they are entitled to do anything they like, as if their feelings are more important than everyone else's. Instead of treating people with respect, many young people seem to think that it's acceptable to ignore the person making the request. This happens in dating, where childish women give out fake numbers; in friendships, where some idiots have decided it's acceptable to commit to something and then not show up; and in family life, where you invite people to a party and they can't take five seconds from their self-centered lives to apologize and inform you that they will not be able to attend. A year after I graduated college, a co-worker and I scheduled a bowling outing for about 30 people; despite being the organizer, she decided not to show up and was unreachable on her cell phone because "someone from Pittsburgh suddenly showed up at my house and I had to give her a place to stay."

When people pull stuff like that on me, I tell them to get lost - but they keep doing it because others are willing to put up with this crap. It's bad enough that people cut short in-person conversations to take cell calls. But it says something about how low our society's expectations are for our youth that we accept one third of that age group being so self-centered that they can't be bothered to talk to you even when they don't have anything else to do.

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (0)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109566)

Ever heard of an old person acting like they can't hear something when they really just don't want to hear something?
What about someone from another country saying no habla anglais?

The cell phone thing is just a newish tool to eject from an encounter. Whether the motive is based on passive-aggressive/non-confrontational/disrespectful/whatever-the situation-is behavior, its one way that some people deal with others. I'd expect young people to use this one more as cell phones are a relatively new technology and young people tend to adopt new technologies more quickly that oldies. Is it rude? Yes. Are their rude people in every generation? Yes. Does this stat mean that young people are ruder than old? Not necessarily.

Since you are going to jump to conclusions about generation-Y based on a correlation you have perceived from that article, I think I have the right to jump to conclusions about you based on correlations I perceive from your post:

I'm guessing that you are over 30, don't have stellar social skills, and are confrontational...

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (2)

quintin3265 (1552941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109966)

I am 28, but my age is irrelevant to the discussion.

I can only speak from my own experience, but I've never had this problem with people who are older than 30. I've volunteered at carnivals where we crushed one ton of potatoes over six days, for years, and the 50-year-old ladies never failed. The work was brutal - imagine peeling and chopping into tiny pieces 200 pounds of onions manually. They showed up with colds, bad backs, hung over, and even drunk, but despite doing this for 120 days over two decades, there was only one time that one of them failed to show up, and she called to say why.

Yet, in my dealings with people my "own age," I encountered the incident described above, another instance where I gave someone a $75 ticket for a concert over another friend and he decided not to show up, a friend I provided $2500 of videography for in exchange for a place to stay, and she didn't pay the $160 hotel bill, 200 hours of work put into an organization at the president's request when the president didn't even bother to look at what I had produced, and the list goes on and on.

You can blame poor social skills or whatever you would like, but the fact remains that any reasonable person would believe this behavior is abhorrent. I never lied, cheated, assaulted, or bad-mouthed any of these people in any way. No matter how poor one's social skills are, nonviolent people deserve the simple respect of being told the truth, or simply the offer of an apology and an acknowledgement of having done something wrong. Kind, respectful people would think just the opposite - that someone with poor social skills could benefit from some extra help. Consider that you don't often see poor social skills develop in the first place in people who are treated respectfully as children or young adults.

Criticizing the "victim's" personality is not an excuse for the poor behavior of self-centered people who care nothing for others.

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

sysrammer (446839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109978)

Good answer. It reminds me of something Plato wrote about "how this generation has no respect". Apparently screeds like this can be plugged into any era.

sr

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109656)

Many of your examples boil down to lying (especially giving a fake phone number). Friendships have to be based on trust, or it's not a friendship, just some person you hang out with sometimes. If they are lying to you, they aren't your friend. And if they just casually lie to people, they won't ever be my friend.

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109926)

I think there's a bigger picture here and that's changing perceptions with age.

You don't see the world the same at 20 as you do at 50, we are constantly evolving socially (if only to catch up to our perception of others). At 50 sdguero may not be making the same post and at 20 quintin might not have made his.

My point being 50 year olds will always look down at 20 year olds and 20 year olds will always look down on 50 year olds.

This is however isolated to Western society, both posts would easily be considered trolling on say a Chinese forum based on those generational standards.

I can only give one piece of advise here: Don't take things personally, people have reasons for doing what they do and 99% of the time the insult from a missed social appointment is not personally directed at you, focus in on patterns rather than single incidents, maybe somebody had a damn good reason for falsely picking up their cell phone and not talking to you, such as a personal tragedy, or PMS.

Ask yourself "why did i get stood up?," (gender independent) if you can't come up with an answer, it's exactly that, there's something else at play you don't know about.. that's 99%. 1% is because the other person is so self-centered they are putting themselves on a pedestal, you don't want to know this person (guess what another piece of advise), maybe I do though (the females tend to be kinda hot), that just means you haven't broken through yet though.

Know when to throw in the towel , I believe all human relationships can be achieved with the right chemistry, some are just not worth the emotional and time commitments though.

Might sound like the above applies to women only, but trust me it applies to both sexes with just slightly different wording (I think how I think).

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

quintin3265 (1552941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110206)

One sentence that is completely true is that the more attractive a woman is, the more likely she is to exhibit this kind of disrespectful behavior. It sounds sexist, and it certainly doesn't apply to every woman, but in general it is entirely true. It is so true that I have to consciously fight against this stereotype when dealing with young women outside of a business atmosphere.

Many attractive women have been so coddled by men that they have come to feel entitled to everything the world has to offer. They come to see it as an entitlement that they can walking into bars and reject guy after guy, and get boyfriends to pay for lavish gifts for them. If you still are skeptical, look at the prices escorts charge compared to those doctors charge. A neurosurgeon with 24 total years of schooling can make $300/hr, a ridiculous fortune by any means, but a prostitute with a high-school education can make $500/hr - and a select few can make over $1000.

Therefore, society values attractive young women more highly than doctors who can save your life. The market speaks for itself. Since many attractive women are between 18 and 29, it would be a fair assumption to propose that a significant proportion of the rudeness can be explained by this effect alone.

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109708)

You've got some excellent points, but could you hold that thought while I take this call?

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (2)

Trillan (597339) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109732)

I'm 35. I have older and younger friends who fall on both sides of that. Age is a part of it, sure, but 29 is by no means the cap and it isn't the only part. Some people were simply raised to think of dishonesty (in all its forms) as a tool they can use, and some were raised to avoid it at all costs.

FTFY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37110038)

As a part of I feel inclined to agree that members of are much then my superior . And I think that they should get .

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110078)

I'm old but (usually) considerate. I get rid of annoying people whose fucking babble I don't want to hear in the politest practical manner.

I don't give a shit what age they are. If they want to babble they can take that shit elsewhere. My friends don't babble so we don't have a problem. That leaves non-friends in the "babble" group, to be dealt with in whatever manner is useful.

As to organizers who don't show up, chew that ass in public and humiliate them. Life is too short to be nice to those who don't deserve it.

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

dev.null.matt (2020578) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110104)

The most interesting fact from this article is that 18-to-29 year-olds are much more likely to use cell phones as an excuse to not talk to someone. This jives with my experience in real life. Finally, now it is possible to agree with our grandparents that young people are more inconsiderate than old people.

I couldn't agree more! Now get off my lawn!

Re:18-29 year olds are disrespectful (1)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110120)

Fun fact! "Respect" is arbitrary.

Yeah, people not showing up for things is a dick move. But if anything, faking a phone call is actually a more respectful way to duck out of a conversation. Let's review the alternatives. 1) Wait around for the other person to wrap it up when you have better things to do. 2) Tell them to their face that you have better things to do. (Disclaimer: I have never faked a phone call, because I can't lie worth a crap. But I can understand why people would do it.)

When you start generalizing and blaming "young people" for things, you have finally lost all perspective but your own. Also, you can have your lawn back; I'm going to go do fun things somewhere else.

I do it only to avoid bums (1)

cod3r_ (2031620) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109384)

When a bum comes up to me and asks for something I take a phone call and they leave me alone. Some sort of bum code of conduct I guess.

Double standard questions (1)

KnownIssues (1612961) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109412)

The verbage for all respondants is much more positive than the verbage for young adults. For example, "help prevent unwanted personal interactions" sounds (to me at least) much less anti-social than "avoid interacting with people around them" and "important tool in an emergency" gives an entirely different sense than "have had trouble doing something because they did not have their phone nearby", yet that appears to be how they align.

This might be entirely unintended but it looks to me as if a subconscious bias has been exposed.

Please learn the difference between... (4, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109420)

Please learn the difference between "13% of people lie" ("1 in 8 Take Fake Phone Calls") and "people are lying 13% of the time" before posting any more articles about statistics.

It looks normal. (1)

Borg Bucolic (1342221) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109518)

Now it is possible to talk, in public, to someone that isn't there, and that is normal. This has been a real boon to the schizophrenic population. Thank you blue tooth fairy

Re:It looks normal. (1)

sysrammer (446839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110034)

Now it is possible to talk, in public, to someone that isn't there, and that is normal. This has been a real boon to the schizophrenic population. Thank you blue tooth fairy

Yep, I've thought that many times. Didn't know who to give thanks to, though, so mark it +1 Informative.

sr

18- to 29-year-old are liars (0)

formfeed (703859) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109592)

A study looking at fake phone calls found that it is more than twice as likely that one of these 18- to 29-year-olds will be lying to you than a normal hardworking American, who still believes in God and the values that made this country great. Members of the Greatest Generation were found to be more than 15 times more honest than those ungrateful kids: "Only 2% of the oldest (65 and older) respondents reported using cell phones to avoid dealing with others." (Study also included some immigrants)

Besides refusing to get off the lawn, those 18- to 29-year-olds also seem to be the worst liars in generations. Unfortunately, the study did not look at any of the reasons, that caused the massive decline in values we all experience with those 18- to 29-year-olds.

Re:18- to 29-year-old are liars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109888)

This study doesn't mean that 18-29 year olds are worse liars. It just means they use this *specific* lie more often. There are plenty of other lies to get out of conversations which are more common in the older age brackets.

I have never done this.... (3, Interesting)

mat catastrophe (105256) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109618)

but I have made certain that someone would call me at a certain time in order to extricate me from a situation.

Re:I have never done this.... (1)

quintin3265 (1552941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109700)

And that is still wrong.

Everyone deserves respect. If you don't want to talk to someone, then you kindly but firmly state that you are busy and aren't available to talk right now. Or, if the person keeps pestering you, you firmly state that you don't want to talk to the person again, and then ignore him or her on future occasions.

Faking or arranging a cell phone call helps nobody. The person who is talking to you might not even know that you don't want to associate with him or her and would never learn otherwise. (S)he eventually ends up confused and feeling bad. Meanwhile, you keep wasting your time as the person continues to contact you about whatever problem you're putting off with these fake or arranged calls. It's just a sign of disrespect that you won't look the person in the eye and tell the truth.

Re:I have never done this.... (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110336)

And an awful lot of these people are coworkers, typically the ones to whom you already sent the piece of information they are asking about three days ago and which they could find easily if they ever bothered to read their email or attend department meetings. Good luck telling them to get lost and still keeping your job (in the interests of disclosure, I do not own a mobile and am a month shy of 30).

On the other hand, those dimwits still have their jobs, so maybe I can get away with being ruder than I have previously tried.

Re:I have never done this.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37110542)

You have obviously never had to work with the simple minded. You can't tell them you're busy - you can't tell them not to speak with you. That'd be "mean" and will get you in trouble with management. It's your job to get your work done AND be respectful and courteous of other peoples needs.

Different social situations? (1)

TriezGamer (861238) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109698)

I didn't RTFA, but isn't there perhaps other explanations than 'young adults are less respectful'? That age group is also the most likely to have young children, and many are also in a transitional phase where they're moving on from high school and college lifestyles into the adult world -- part of doing that frequently includes shedding of old acquaintances (and even friends), and might necessitate termination of a social encounter.

Furthermore, what is "I need to take a call" replacing? It's very possible that taking a fake call is replacing some previous behavior people would use to avoid a social encounter.

It also seems to me that there are far more socially inept individuals in the young adult demographic. This may be because, as a member of that group, I am exposed to them more often, but I don't think so. The number of people who I met in college who could not take the hint that they were annoying or that people would prefer them to not be around was staggering, and many people probably feel that 'taking a fake call' is preferable to saying 'go away, nobody likes you'.

In short, I don't agree with the assessment that young adults are necessarily less respectful based on this study. It still may be true, but this study doesn't really consider enough factors to be useful at all in that regard.

Doesn't mean 18 to 29 year olds are disrespectful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109730)

People in *all* age groups make excuses to get out of conversations or not talk to people. The only difference is the method used, with the younger crowd more acclimated to cell phones. The older age groups have their own ways of doing the same.

Re:Doesn't mean 18 to 29 year olds are disrespectf (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110112)

"The older age groups have their own ways of doing the same."

Both have good reasons for wanting to ditch some conversations in a non-confrontational manner.

Hint to the clue-resistant:
If YOU get put off often, YOU might be the problem.

I take fake phone calls in public (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109784)

As a socially acceptable way to talk to the voices in my head.

PluS 3, Troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37109902)

bunch of retarDed = 36400 FreeBSD

18-29 year olds... (1)

RJFerret (1279530) | more than 3 years ago | (#37109972)

...haven't learned about voicemail.

What I also have observed... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110114)

The same age group act's like they are having Crack withdrawals when they do not have a phone at all for a 48 hour period. My daughter lost her phone on vacation in the woods and was acting like she was going to cut one of us if she did not get her fix... " I need to check my messages, give me your DAMN PHONE OR I WILL CUT YOU!"

people need to unplug more and learn how to not be a slave to the tech.

In an unrelated study (1)

bearflash (1671358) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110288)

1 in 8 people found to be incredibly boring to converse with

I'm sorry I missed the first posts (1)

BetaDays (2355424) | more than 3 years ago | (#37110304)

I'm sorry I missed the first posts, I was on the phone.

I would comment on this thread... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37110534)

...but I have to answer my phone.

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