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Notch Asks For Trial By Combat

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the how-all-trademark-claims-should-be-settled dept.

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Vrallis writes "As reported recently, Mojang AB, the creators of Minecraft, have been sued by Bethesda over the name of their latest project, Scrolls, citing a trademark infringement with their Elder Scrolls games. In his latest blog post, Notch, the founder of Mojang, has challenged Bethesda to a trial by combat. Specifically, a frag match in Quake 3."

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Mods (4, Funny)

operagost (62405) | about 3 years ago | (#37123068)

I assume that, in the old dueling tradition, his opponent gets to choose the mod. I recommend INSTAGIB.

He challenged Idthesda to an Idthesda game (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#37123270)

I assume that, in the old dueling tradition, his opponent gets to choose the mod.

According to the article, the sides alternate choosing levels. But seeing as Bethesda's parent company owns Id Software, three of Bethesda's best warriors might be people who actually developed Q3A. So in a sense, it already is on Bethesda's home turf.

Re:He challenged Idthesda to an Idthesda game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124226)

But seeing as Bethesda's parent company owns Id Software, three of Bethesda's best warriors might be people who actually developed Q3A. So in a sense, it already is on Bethesda's home turf.

Having developed a game does not mean you are any good at playing it.

Re:He challenged Idthesda to an Idthesda game (4, Insightful)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about 3 years ago | (#37124250)

In my experience playing with coders and mappers: the people who make games are rarely star players.

Re:Mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123452)

No, trial by combat is distinct from the later tradition of gentlemanly dueling. Weapons and armor were generally prescribed by custom, and specifics adjudicated by the court.

And it's worthy of note that there's some reasonable claim that demanding a trial by (real-life) combat is still technically a legal option under US common law, since it was only abolished in England after the revolution and separation of US jurisprudence; if exercised by Mojang AB and permitted by the court, Bethesda would be compelled to appear or forfeit. (Of course, it's utterly improbable that a court would allow it, so kinda beside the point.)

OTOH, settling a matter by the outcome of a computer game is definitely legal as a form of arbitration, provided both parties agree to be bound by the outcome.

(IANAL, obviously.)

Re:Mods (1)

djdanlib (732853) | about 3 years ago | (#37123464)

I am tremendously entertained by the possibility of this (A) happening and (B) being legally binding.

Game on!

Re:Mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123738)

I admit my knowledge of trial by combat is all but non-existent, but isn't the one being challenged allowed to choose a champion? So couldn't Bethesda acquire the services of any professional fps player to fight in their place? This challenge could be severely weighted against Notch.

Re:Mods (2)

networkBoy (774728) | about 3 years ago | (#37124032)

Not at all.
See, Notch will lose, and have to turn the name Scrolls loose to Bethesda Studios.*
In the meantime he will have gained so much publicity that he could rename the game [to be] previously known as "Scrolls" to "Sacks of Donkey Poo" and people (those who matter) would buy it in a heartbeat.
-nB

*(sorry best I could do with the lose/loose issue)

Re:Mods (2)

Culture20 (968837) | about 3 years ago | (#37124196)

And the people would call it Scrolls anyway, to the chagrin of Bethesda.

Re:Mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124060)

Depends; some places/times only the interested party could fight, someplaces/times the right to a champion was universal, and someplaces/times it was only for the old/young/female/infirm. (The latter situation was sometimes extended/altered to permit refusal of combat entirely by those classes, settling the matter through the courts.)

Re:Mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123636)

Id choose v0o to act as their champion, and their choice of mod is CPMA duel. As his first map he'll be playing cpm3a. Have fun, notch.

v0o vs. czm on cpm3a (who now does commentary for QLtv):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI5SyXD070

Win-win i guess? (4, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | about 3 years ago | (#37123080)

If he actually gets them to agree to this then even if he loses it ought to generate enough publicity to make up for having to change the name.

Re:Win-win i guess? (1)

surefooted (826448) | about 3 years ago | (#37123182)

Indeed. This is a great PR move. He knows he's probably going to have to change the name, so why not get some publicity out of it?

Re:Win-win i guess? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123256)

In fact, this may be a win-win situation. Bethesda keeps the 'Scrolls' name, while the new game gets a name that gets great PR.

Bethesda also gets street cred for "getting it" if they go along with this.

Re:Win-win i guess? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123268)

It is viral marketing at its best. Every Gaming publication, and probably some mainstream publication will pick this up an run it.

The amount of goodwill it will generate amongst gamers will be huge. Although Notch has lots of this already.

Re:Win-win i guess? (1)

drb226 (1938360) | about 3 years ago | (#37123514)

Heck, the publicity Scrolls (or whatever it may be called in the future) has gotten is already way more than it ever would have been had Bethesda not sued. Looks like a win-win already, and a live stream of this match would only be even more win-win regardless of the outcome.

Re:Win-win i guess? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#37123550)

It would also be fitting if, upon losing, he sued them for emotional distress or some other completely frivolous reason equivalent to saying you can't make a game with "scrolls" in the name.

Re:Win-win i guess? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 3 years ago | (#37124004)

Yep. They should have the match refereed by Barbara Streisand.

Re:Win-win i guess? (2)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 3 years ago | (#37124214)

He can then decide to call it "The Elder"

Elder Scroll V sales dropping (0)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 3 years ago | (#37123082)

Set your binoculars on the pirate bay scallywags.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 3 years ago | (#37123158)

Eh? It's out? I'll have to keep an eye for it in the Steam $5.00 section in a few months hopefully. Bethesda hasn't made a game that impressed me (in a non graphics related fashion) since Morrowind. I actually was looking forward to Fallout 3, thinking to myself, "Well, all of Bethesda's other games are beautiful sprawling wastelands with little actual content in them, so maybe they'll get this right." Instead I got "OMG Daddy NO!".

As far as the Quake 3 challenge, it's genius. Awesome rebuttal to a overreaction from a zealous legal department, and turning it down will just make Bethesda look bad.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#37123640)

I hate to have a fanboy reaction but, well, I already am. Please forgive me, I'll keep it civil.

Fallout 3 didn't have enough content? I spent well over a hundred hours playing that game, more time than I spent playing new vegas. And that was before the DLC. Maybe beautiful, wide open, sandbox style games just aren't for you. I'd also advise you to also stay away from minecraft, as the plot there can be said to be weak to nonexistent.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

nog_lorp (896553) | about 3 years ago | (#37123864)

Over a hundred hours... wandering a beautiful sprawling wasteland with little actual content! I joke...

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123882)

I liked Fallout 3, for what it was. I did *not* like Fallout: New Vegas. It felt like a rambling monstrosity only thinly held together by some semblance of plot.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 3 years ago | (#37124258)

Oh, I love Minecraft because it's not trying to pretend to be something it's not. Perhaps I could have felt the same way about Fallout 3 if it wasn't a Fallout game. To be fair, I suppose perhaps my attitude might be colored by fanboyism of the original Fallouts. It just didn't have the same feel. The ending annoyed me. I still spent plenty of time playing it, but I feel like they built this giant world for you to explore, and then when developing character construction and advancement, didn't take into account the fact that you'd actually explore it.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123732)

Parent is trolling or joking or something, it's not out until 11/11

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

demonbug (309515) | about 3 years ago | (#37123942)

Parent is trolling or joking or something, it's not out until 11/11

Parent was suggesting that people should plan on pirating Skyrim in retaliation for Bethesda/Zenimax's actions. Typical juvenile reaction.

Anyway, it isn't like Bethesda is trying to sue Notch into the ground. They are suing him to change the name of his upcoming (not released) game. I don't exactly agree with them, but I think that there is enough to their claim not to reject out of hand the notion that a fantasy-themed computer game called "Scrolls" could potentially cause some amount of confusion with a long-running series of fantasy-themed computer games called "Elder Scrolls".

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 3 years ago | (#37124192)

How would you feel if a slashdot mod emailed you saying they now have a web story called demon hunter, and you could no longer use demonbug as a result?

And it just so happens you posted several thousand times on that account and its what everybody knows you by, you don't see that as damaging?

Most logos/brandings/names are worth more than what your well-above average equity, so saying its not a big deal is :(

It is, and there's a lot of money involved in that name whether you can see it or not.

Congrats on figuring out my one-liner, I forget this is slashdot, where nothing is read below the surface text.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 3 years ago | (#37124204)

You definitely missed / forgot about Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion , i'd say i enjoyed it 90% of how much I enjoyed morrowind, which is easily one of my favorite games.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 years ago | (#37123416)

It's going to be disappointing, but I'll be getting it anyway.

From rlslog, of course.

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (0)

elrous0 (869638) | about 3 years ago | (#37123548)

Wait, there are PC gamers who actually still *buy* games?!?!?

Re:Elder Scroll V sales dropping (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123592)

It's crazy, it's almost as if there are some people who want companies to actually continue to make decent games for the PC or something.

Don't come whining to me when everything on the PC is a Free-To-Pay MMO.

genocidal depopulationers get guff from unchosens (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123114)

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Someone's been watching too much Game of Thrones (5, Interesting)

barlevg (2111272) | about 3 years ago | (#37123116)

I do remember reading that, according to some interpretations, Trial by Combat *may indeed* be legal under the US legal system [wikipedia.org] ...

Re:Someone's been watching too much Game of Throne (1)

Vrallis (33290) | about 3 years ago | (#37123314)

I'm sure that's about as valid as other unusual laws that are, in theory, still on the books--can't play hopscotch on a Sunday, can't dress a donkey in a sundress in rainy weather, etc.

And of course he's been watching Game of Thrones... he even said that in his blog post!

(Off topic: This is probably the best book adaptation to film/tv I've ever seen, well beyond even Lord of the Rings or the Sci-Fi mini series version of Dune and Children of Dune. Those have been my yardsticks to measure other adaptations by for a while now. I do think that people who haven't read the books are at a serious disadvantage, though, as too much background is missing due to time constraints.)

Re:Someone's been watching too much Game of Throne (5, Interesting)

uigrad_2000 (398500) | about 3 years ago | (#37123382)

I do remember reading that, according to some interpretations, Trial by Combat *may indeed* be legal under the US legal system [wikipedia.org] ...

And there is a history of trademark disputes being settled this way. [wikipedia.org]

I request a champion.... (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 3 years ago | (#37123470)

my brother, Fatal1ty.

Re:I request a champion.... (1)

Abreu (173023) | about 3 years ago | (#37123510)

But you'll have to settle for Bronn... Don't worry, he's your kind of fellow...

Re:Someone's been watching too much Game of Throne (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 3 years ago | (#37123484)

If they agree to it in a well-written contract, it's absolutely legal. This is a civil suit we're talking about, after all, and the contract doesn't involve anything illegal AFAIK. (IANAL)

Re:Someone's been watching too much Game of Throne (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123656)

pretty much any way of settling a dispute is legal if both parties sign a contract saying that that's how they are to settle it. why would this not be legal?

What's more impressive? (1, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 3 years ago | (#37123166)

I don't know what's more impressive, this article or the fact that it managed to make its way onto Slashdot the same day it was published.

Re:What's more impressive? (2)

Vrallis (33290) | about 3 years ago | (#37123258)

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised. I think I submitted it less than three hours ago, too.

Re:What's more impressive? (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | about 3 years ago | (#37123776)

It'll be duped four times though, and then you'll be sick of it.

Re:What's more impressive? (1, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | about 3 years ago | (#37123886)

That's OK, though. Someone will work Bitcoins into it and it'll be like braaaand new.

At least for the first couple of times it's duped that way.

What a bunch of pricks. (2, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | about 3 years ago | (#37123184)

Bethesda really are being total assholes here. Suing a independent developer for the word "Scrolls"? Bethesda does not own that fucking word... If those corporate assholes actually agree to this I'll be totally shocked.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (2)

billcopc (196330) | about 3 years ago | (#37123248)

Correction: Bethesda's lawyers are being total assholes here.

Nothing surprising, I'm sure most law firms reject any résumé that does not include "Being a stubborn asshole" in the first paragraph.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123308)

It's not like Bethesda's overlords haven't heard about this case by now, so it's not some rogue lawyer.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (3)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 3 years ago | (#37123414)

Correction: Bethesda's lawyers are being total assholes here.

Nope, they are just helping Bethesda defend their trademark (remember, if you dont defend it, you lose it, especially since Notch is also is also in the same gaming business).

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#37123696)

Not being a lawyer, I fail to see the value in staking out a word like "Scrolls" and saying "MINE! ONLY ME CAN USE WORD!!!"

The title of Notch's game doesn't contain the word "Elder." Are there other similarities I'm not aware of? How likely is it really that someone else would come along, make shovelware, slap an "Elder Scroll" title on it, and when challenged say "But they didn't sue that guy for using half the title, so they don't care!" If their lawyers are being too unrealistic and paranoid in "defending" the trademark, that would in fact qualify as being assholes.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (1)

networkBoy (774728) | about 3 years ago | (#37124080)

The lack of aggressively defending your trademark can cause you to lose it in the future.
That is at least part of why the Second Life lawyers granted a license to the getafirstlife guy.
(a copy of the "cease and desist" letter is here: http://farmersreallysucks.com/editorialgetafirstlife.shtml [farmersreallysucks.com] )
-nB

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (4, Informative)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | about 3 years ago | (#37123840)

Nope, they are just helping Bethesda defend their trademark (remember, if you dont defend it, you lose it, especially since Notch is also is also in the same gaming business).

They can't lose something that they have never had. Bethesda do not have "Scrolls" as a trademark for a computer game, and do not stand to lose "The Elder Scrolls" by doing nothing here. Furthermore, all Notch has done is apply for trademark on a name that he plans to use. There's nothing wrong with that - it's just diligence - and filing a suit about that is rather arbitrary. If Bethesda's representatives have an issue with that then they should just contest the application.

Fanbois are retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123762)

Strange I've never heard that excuse used here for Billy Gates and co.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123400)

Well, unlike copyrights and patents, trademarks must always be fought for or they are lost.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | about 3 years ago | (#37123616)

Their trademark is "Elder Scrolls". While I think Mojang's "Scrolls", even as a fantasy game, is too generic to be trademarked, it is not violating Bethesda's trademark. They are claiming they own the individual words of their trademark, even though they are common english words, and that's clearly absurd.

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 3 years ago | (#37123714)

It doesn't matter if they have a trademark on the specific word. If someone uses a mark that is similar to something you use and they are within the same industry you risk diluting your mark and losing it. Which is why Microsoft was basically required by law if they wanted to not lose their Microsoft trademark to sue the guy who started "Mike Rowe Soft".

Re:What a bunch of pricks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123910)

Bad analogy. A more correct analogy would be if they protected their Microsoft Windows trademark by going after anyone who used the word Windows [internetnews.com]

"The rulings are a major victory for Lindows.com," Harris said in a statement. "Essentially, the Court's ruling confirms that a company, no matter how much money it spends, cannot buy a word out of the English language."

Unless trademark law has changed since then Bethesda is just being assholes.
If they want to have a trademark that they can protect then they should name their product something unique.
Now if Notch were calling his game for "Bethesda" then they might have a case.

Finish Minecraft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123200)

Notch should stop fooling around and just finish Minecraft. I paid 15 bucks for it under the promise the game would be finished at some point. It's taking really long to add just bits of content and when you see what mods modders come up with you can only assume Notch spends 1 hour a week on Minecraft. Guess now that he's a millionaire he thinks he doesn't owe buyers anything. Sad.

Re:Finish Minecraft (2, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 3 years ago | (#37123228)

Congrats, you're the reason why his lawyers made him stop guaranteeing free updates. Ass.

Re:Finish Minecraft (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 3 years ago | (#37123442)

Did you get a time frame on completion before you handed over the cash?

No? Well I guess you're a moron then.

Heck there's a release date even, why would you expect it sooner? Or expect anything in the meantime?

Re:Finish Minecraft (2)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 3 years ago | (#37123444)

Uh, he's on a schedule. 1.8 is not scheduled for release until later this month IIRC. As a plugin dev for bukkit (a modded version of a MC server that handles plugins), I'm relieved that updates aren't jammed together. Updating also means downtime for many modded servers too.

Re:Finish Minecraft (1)

djdanlib (732853) | about 3 years ago | (#37123500)

Indeed, when there are a bunch of a.b.c releases, the server I play on is largely unusable during the entire flurry of updates due to client/server version incompatibilities. I like frequent updates, but I don't like being unable to play.

BTW, Thanks for working on Bukkit.

Re:Finish Minecraft (2)

vranash (594439) | about 3 years ago | (#37123496)

Eh, just convert to MineTest and enjoy a multiplayer GPL'd version of Minecraft done in C++ with cross platform support for Windows, linux, and OSX :) It may not be finished, but at least anyone can go and wrench on it. Also shouldn't he have referred to it as a 'Trial of Refusal'?

Bizzaro Response: (0)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 3 years ago | (#37123210)

That's just typical Mojang: Try to sidestep a perfectly valid and not-at-all overreaching trademark suit by bringing VIDEO GAMES of all things into the equation. Nothing about this industry has anything to do with gaming.

Of course, it's Bethesda. Thankfully, they're not in it for the GAMING, like some kind of video game developers. They're in it for the money, like a company ought to be. They'll do the right thing and make asses of themselves because the arrogantly assume they can own a word.

Why does Notch expect them to sell-out their morals and instincts for a few fleeting moments of fun and chance to be the bigger person over something they're making a bigger deal about than necessary?

Re:Bizzaro Response: (4, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 3 years ago | (#37123330)

Why does Notch expect them to sell-out their morals and instincts for a few fleeting moments of fun and chance to be the bigger person over something they're making a bigger deal about than necessary?

Because if they accept, they get tons of good press, way more than the current bad press they're getting for suing over a single word. In fact, I'd imagine it would turn out better for them than if they'd never sued at all.

Re:Bizzaro Response: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123420)

Also, Bethesda owns id software now, so there's basically no way they could lose.

Re:Bizzaro Response: (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 3 years ago | (#37123480)

Yeah, really, it would be a win for both companies. I'd bet money against Bethesda actually doing it though. It will prove whether the suits or the devs run the company though.

Re:Bizzaro Response: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123538)

Not to mention that they are the owners of Id and Quake 3 Arena. They should totally do this. Its free advertising, and I'd love to see Notch try to take on Id at their own game.

Re:Bizzaro Response: (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 3 years ago | (#37123694)

Ideal solution is much like the Southwest vs Stevens Aviation trademark "trial by armwrestling".

Play up the match for tons of good PR and geek cred, play for charity plus the rights to the trademark, then whoever wins immediately grants unlimited rights to the trademark to the losing party.

Bethesda can say they defended their trademark, everyone gets good PR, charities get money, everyone is saved an expensive court case (that Bethesda probably can't win without spending loads of money on) and the world (via a bit of apparent insanity) becomes just a little more sane.

Re:Bizzaro Response: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123364)

Holy shit! Bethesda has morals?

More information (4, Informative)

uigrad_2000 (398500) | about 3 years ago | (#37123294)

Notch just got married this weekend, and is officially away right now, for his honeymoon. This lawsuit came up at a terrible time, and this is the way that Notch handles such stuff.

Notch seems to read and reply most to comments on the minecraft channel at reddit. The thread there [reddit.com] would probably be the place to post if you want to volunteer as one of the representatives :)

Re:More information (1)

gknoy (899301) | about 3 years ago | (#37123586)

I think they should have to use actual employees, who have been employed before the challenge, to prevent them just hiring Q3 allstars.

Re:More information (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123854)

The problem is that Bethesda already has the Q3A devs as employees; *they* don't need to hire anyone new.

Re:More information (1)

uigrad_2000 (398500) | about 3 years ago | (#37123912)

And, as far as I know, Mojang only has 3 employees.

I don't think this is really about winning or losing the trademark battle anyway. It's a publicity stunt. If Bethesda agrees, they'll probably destroy whatever team Mojang assembles, but there will be plenty of good publicity to be shared between the two companies.

2000yr antecedents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123338)

.... don't the Dead Sea Scrolls count as prior art?

This guy needs to fuck off (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123340)

Seriously, 15 minutes are up. Get ready to fail, mister business man.

Re:This guy needs to fuck off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124246)

"Fail"?

MineCraft has sold over 3,000,000 copies. Alpha copies went for ~$14, Beta for about $20. You do the math.

How many tens of millions of dollars have you earned?

I thought so.

Quake 3, eh? (2)

EnglishTim (9662) | about 3 years ago | (#37123378)

So.... seeing as Bethesda and id Software are both now arms of Zenimax, can id Software employees be part of the Bethesda team?

Shoulda stuck with counter-strike, Notch!

Re:Quake 3, eh? (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 3 years ago | (#37123542)

Perhaps he wants a challenge? If id Software employees can be part of the team, that means he might get to get to play against Carmack, making for probably the best PR here and just an awesome experience to have, even if he loses.

Re:Quake 3, eh? (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 3 years ago | (#37123642)

In traditional duels, the person accepting the duel gets to choose a "home turf" as long as it is agreed to by a neutral third party or both parties in the duel. Notch is offering a "home turf" and pre-agreeing to it.

Re:Quake 3, eh? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#37123730)

What makes you think that wasn't intentional? I read this as playing friendly on Notch's part "I'll even let you guys have the homecourt advantage." He said he assumed this was a misunderstanding. He's clearly not playing hardball here, that was obvious from issuing a videogame challenge rather than a countering lawsuit.

Now that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123398)

is finally some news for nerds

Like in Southpark s08e05 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123418)

It's on.

Map Choice (0)

sjpadbury (169729) | about 3 years ago | (#37123438)

Q3DM17, The Longest Yard, is almost mandatory, I would think...

Re:Map Choice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123610)

It used to be one of the best maps. It was ruined by every online server being infested with aimbots for the railgun though. Nowhere to hide, and against perfect aim you can't get close.

Re:Map Choice (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123666)

HAHAH! Aim bots? The map makes it trivial to snipe 40+% of the time.

If you want a better match, try blood run map.

Custom Avatars... (1)

Chruisan (1040302) | about 3 years ago | (#37123566)

They should pick custom avatars with Majong as James T. Kirk and Bethusda as the Green Lizard Man...

Mistake (1)

mfh (56) | about 3 years ago | (#37123576)

If this was an episode of Damages [imdb.com] (awesome show) Patty Hugues would instruct her client, Bethesda, to stick to their guns and sue the guy for all he has. Mojang AB has basically admitted by asking for a sporting contest decision that they cannot win on a point of law. A judge would be flagrantly out of his or her depth to overlook that and even be a little perturbed by it.

All that said, it would be a great marketing campaign for both companies if they decided to do so. My guess is that Bethesda will take them up on their offer and have a live stream.

Re:Mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123862)

u pretty much suck bro (real talk).

how much did u pay for ur account again?

Re:Mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124076)

I also take all my legal advice from television shows.

Re:Mistake (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 3 years ago | (#37124232)

Mojang AB has basically admitted by asking for a sporting contest decision that they cannot win on a point of law.

Try "cannot win in a court of law" and you will hit closer to the mark.

Live stream please (1)

ChocNut (791621) | about 3 years ago | (#37123578)

See if pay per view offered legal combat settlements I'd sign up in a second. They'd need to keep it fresh though (think judge judy mixed with gamesmaster).

Sounds very unprofessional (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 3 years ago | (#37123718)

He says he is serious, but unless there is something I am missing or Notch is an idiot he is not actually expecting them to agree. Supposedly Bethesda have a financial reason for suing Notch and for a actual business to engage in basically a game of chance (Quake 3 is not a game of chance but pitting two unknown team against each other in it is) to determine if they will go ahead with the suit or drop it is just irresponsible. And assuming that they are a corporation beholden to look after the best interests of their shareholders most likely an illegal act to boot.

now i hate Bethesda as much as anybody for pulling such a stupid move and I would not dislike Notch solving a disagreement with a match of Quake 3 (and would think him even more cool for doing so), but if he actually thinks that there is a possibility that they will accept or of this is just a publicity stunt (the only two possibilities, well then I think he is being kind of stupid.

Re:Sounds very unprofessional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37123820)

Not necessarily. Bethesda has no choice but to defend a trademark. This really seems more like boiler plate legal response since it's on record he's on friendly terms with the lead developers. There's no reason they couldn't do a licensing deal as the outcome and satisfy all parties.

Would Bethesda do it? Probably not. I wouldn't say unprofessional though.

Re:Sounds very unprofessional (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | about 3 years ago | (#37123836)

Are you kidding me? To most who likes Notch & Bethesda? I'm sorry, but I'm all for this going down. Plus, this is an olden form of dispute solving that WAS acceptable by courts. Just before it was IRL, and slightly more dangerous. If they accept, no matter what happens, everyone comes out smelling like roses. Great PR for everyone which shareholders love.

Re:Sounds very unprofessional (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 3 years ago | (#37123932)

The point I was trying to make was not wouldn't it be cool if it went down or not but instead that he has absolutely no chance of getting it to go down and I think he knows it.

Re:Sounds very unprofessional (1)

Zalbik (308903) | about 3 years ago | (#37123850)

Supposedly Bethesda have a financial reason for suing Notch and for a actual business to engage in basically a game of chance (Quake 3 is not a game of chance but pitting two unknown team against each other in it is) to determine if they will go ahead with the suit or drop it is just irresponsible. And assuming that they are a corporation beholden to look after the best interests of their shareholders most likely an illegal act to boot.

That makes the huge assumption that the financial loss caused by a game with the word "Scrolls" in it would be greater than the publicity value of a Quake 3 match over this issue. It also assumes that Bethesda feels they have a legal leg to stand on here. They may have just fired off the letter as a scare tactic.

*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124228)

It also assumes that Bethesda feels they have a legal leg to stand on here. They may have just fired off the letter as a scare tactic.

They do. Lern2trademark. Bethesda's lawyers would've been foolish not to send a nastygram - they have to appear to be defending it.

Game Over (2)

TheRealGrogan (1660825) | about 3 years ago | (#37123934)

If serious, he just screwed himself out of using the contested name. He just expressed his willingness to change it. So now, a judge knows that it's not crucial to the project to keep the name, if he would frivolously agree to changing it over the outcome of a video game match.

It's like this. Big bad greedy company wants your name, or your domain, or wants you to stop using it because it infringes on their trademark, or "dilutes their brand" or whatever buzzwords they use. You say you will change it if they pay you a million dollars. You probably just screwed yourself in court if they refuse, because it makes you look like a squatter.

Remember MikeRoweSoft.com? He might have had a leg to stand on because it was his name, and he was a software developer, but as soon as he attempted to extort money from Microsoft, his prospects of winning were shot. (If I recall correctly, he settled for some free gifts from MS)

But yeah, free publicity, anyway.

Sounds like a good strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37124020)

This is a good offer for both companies ether way i goes. Less lawyer costs and great publicity for both companies.

All gamers would see this as a more honest way too settle things then suing each other!

(Hope they steam it if they agree too the match)

Quake3? (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 3 years ago | (#37124182)

Why not Quake Live? Has Notch completely forgotten about that? How does he know the lawyer scrub owns a legal copy of Quake III Arena?

Hope they don't play OpenAre-ah, forget it.
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