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27,000 South Koreans Sue Apple

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the one-bad-apple dept.

Iphone 112

jfruhlinger writes "You may have already forgotten the iPhone location-tracking furor, but 27,000 South Koreans haven't! They (or the lawyers recruiting them) have launched a class action suit against Apple due to the 'emotional distress' suffered. The litigants are seeking around $1,000 apiece in damages. From the article: 'Apple has faced complaints and criticisms since it said in April that its iPhones were storing locations of nearby cellphone towers and Wi-Fi hot spots for up to a year. Such data can be used to create a rough map of the device owner's movements.'"

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Possibly distressing in some countries (1, Interesting)

Moses48 (1849872) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122274)

While I doubt it really cost all 27k of them any emotional distress, it could possibly cause dissidents in other countries some distress. Think activists in China. Although china already has complete control behind the great firewall of china.

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122584)

North Koreans would have a valid complaint here. If they had cell phone towers.

But it is good to see that we may not export as much as we used to, but at lease the USA can export our culture of litigiousness.

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (4, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122730)

North Koreans would have a valid complaint here. If they had cell phone towers.

Typical imperialist revisionism. Beloved Leader Kim Jong Il invented cellular technology, you mindless tool of capitalism.

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123284)

Oh wait! On my Google phone, I have a app. for this!?

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123600)

I love that you were modded, "+4 Informative", instead of Funny. Lots of DPRK'ers 'round here???

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (0)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123832)

I love the fact that you're modded +5, Informative.

Don't ever change, /.

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (-1, Flamebait)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124210)

This is an indicator of people wanting to give karma bonuses for the statement. Funny doesn't award Karma.

Never change, 1,000,000+ UID guys.

Re:Possibly distressing in some countries (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124984)

This is an indicator of people wanting to give karma bonuses for the statement. Funny doesn't award Karma.

But "Underrated" does. Everybody who uses "Informative" instead is "Overrated".

going broke (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122278)

I don't think apple will be able to afford this.

Re:going broke (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122554)

Did you even read the summary?

27,000 litigants x $1000 each in damages = $27 million

Last quarter they made $7 billion in profit. [gsmarena.com]

Re:going broke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122676)

they're not actually going to win. lol.

Re:going broke (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123304)

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Re:going broke (2)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122720)

$20M is a rounding error of a rounding error to Apple. Apple has more money and power than most nations.

Shoulda bought a Samsung (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122302)

Isn't it weird that Korea being home to Samsung and LG is where this lawsuit is happening?
Take that, apple.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (-1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122356)

How many anonymous posts are you going to make? It's pretty obvious when they all use the same lowercase "apple".

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122394)

It's pretty obvious when they all use the same lowercase "apple".

Your powers of deduction are remarkable, Mr. Holmes.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (1, Offtopic)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122768)

I wonder why bonch is so interested in making sure everybody gives Apple the respect and worship he feels they are due?

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123750)

"worship" is the keyword here. bonch is Steve Jobs' bitchslave.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (0)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123868)

To be fair, Steve Jobs has a lot of bitchslaves. He must be doing something right to have millions of people ready to die in ritual combat defending his legacy.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122448)

That doesn't mean anything. Nor does it matter whether a post is anonymous. The notion that it does is merely one of the several lies you so ineptly attempt to propagate on this site.

And no, I'm not the grandparent poster. Nor do you actually think I am.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122810)

bonch gets his panties in a bunch. on apple. who knew?

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (0)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123254)

Actually, no... I would bet Samsung (by virtue of owning basically everything significant on the peninsula) was easily able to round up and encourage these "plaintiffs" for the lawsuit, as a sort of counter-strike for what Apple is doing in Germany. I would be shocked if they weren't somehow directly involved in this.

Re:Shoulda bought a Samsung (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#37125276)

Actually, no... I would bet Samsung (by virtue of owning basically everything significant on the peninsula) was easily able to round up and encourage these "plaintiffs" for the lawsuit, as a sort of counter-strike for what Apple is doing in Germany. I would be shocked if they weren't somehow directly involved in this.

Or perhaps Korean's aren't as blinded as other nations by blatant fanboyism and actually expect companies to respect their freedom.

For years Microsoft has been sued over it's anti competitive actions in Korea, I'm willing to bet they aren't the only ones, even Samsung has been indited on collusion charges before.

But hey, it's easier to create a conspiracy then to admit that Apple broke the law and people are justifiably angry over it.

Give me a break (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122316)

Emotional distress? Give me a break. This is just a bunch of ambulance chasers trying to cash in on what has already been dismissed as a non-issue. Yes, the iPhone tracks the locations and strengths of cellular towers.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122424)

Revenge for Apple going after Samsung. Apple is probably not too popular right now with many Koreans, I bet this lawsuit will have legs right now just due to sentiment.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Abreu (173023) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122518)

Revenge for Apple going after Samsung. Apple is probably not too popular right now with many Koreans, I bet this lawsuit will have legs right now just due to sentiment.

This.

Re:Give me a break (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122426)

Spoken like a true macfag. Some of us haven't dismissed it, but then some of us actually care about our personal privacy, unlike you ignorant ass americans.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122484)

Spoken like a true macfag ... you ignorant ass americans.

Spoken like a true ignoramus.

-- An American.

Re:Give me a break (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122654)

To be fair, 'macfag' is kind of offensive, and contains a pejorative. The correct term is iFag.

Re:Give me a break (2)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122724)

Just to be clear: no matter what phone you have your cell company already knows exactly where you are and where you've been. there was an article a while back about someone filing a FOI request and finding that their cell company had their location for the last 6 months.

when someone goes missing the police often request the data.

After a student went missing from the local uni they contacted his mobile phone company who were able to show the approximate path he took along with the last known location, sadly a bridge popular for suicides.

Re:Give me a break (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123322)

Apple shouldn't have this data.

Re:Give me a break (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123546)

Right. Only AT&T should have it, because while Apple is evil, AT&T is our friend.

Re:Give me a break (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124966)

So because the carrier has this information, we should just let everyone else have it too? I mean why not, the carrier has it!

Give me a break.

Re:Give me a break (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124138)

Well, then you will be happy to learn that Apple does not. in fact, have this data.

Re:Give me a break (1)

umghhh (965931) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123706)

well the telcos are legally obliged to do that eactly for the reasons of emergency. They are also obliged to keep the data safe. The actual reason while this privacy breach is an issue is that the data is stored not in telco's network but on the phone and besides possibly being sent into Jobbs' corn/carnalhole is all acceoisble fo anybody having access to the phone.as logs are kept forever. So yes there is a problem. WHether it is worth 1k$ of useless dollars I do not know and I do not care they should ask for more and sue in US but that would not go down very well with US justice or?

Re:Give me a break (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123000)

I have a map that shows exactly where *you've* been since you've been alive.

Of course, it's a map of the solar system, but it knows your location! Take that privacy. I know where you are!

oi; macfag? Get some skills chump. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123136)

Fragile enough that personal privacy 'injures you' to the extent you need money? Don't buy it.

In the US, it doesn't matter who knows where you are, if you're not doing anything wrong, they can't touch you.

Personally, I bought it, so they can know where I am at any point in time.

Any time they need a mad-fu-beat-down, they can come get it.

Re:oi; macfag? Get some skills chump. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123358)

That make-the-other-side-look-bad thing that you're doing doesn't work when you're so obvious about it.

Re:Give me a break (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122444)

"Yes, the iPhone tracks the locations and strengths of cellular towers."

What does that have to do with this story? It's the tracking and long term storing of the user's location ( and lack of concern for security of that information) that's an issue. Doh!

Re:Give me a break (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122934)

What it has to do with the issue is that was the nature of the data that iPhones were logging which people said was Apple "tracking" them. That explained why some people's data was so inconsistent seemingly recording all their movements one day and then skipping months. The question is whether you believe them. Apple says the data was never transmitted to Apple and remained on the phone. Your cell carrier definitely tracks by the way.

Re:Give me a break (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122452)

Emotional distress? Give me a break. This is just a bunch of ambulance chasers trying to cash in on what has already been dismissed as a non-issue. Yes, the iPhone tracks the locations and strengths of cellular towers.

But, but, but if they triangulate my prior positions and then go back in time they may be able to find my exact location. Won't somebody think of the children!

It is pretty impressive how Apple deflected that (3, Insightful)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122464)

It is pretty impressive how Apple was able to wriggle out of that one. Nope, your phone "isn't tracking you," it's just a cache of cell towers used to speed GPS.

OK, fine. Then why does their privacy policy still allow Apple to collect your location data?

Oh, because that's for sending you local ads if you use an app that uses iAd, and for building Apple's database of Wi-Fi access points and GPS coordinates to allow iDevices without GPS to generate a location. (To provide local ads for apps that use iAd. Also for the user's benefit on occasion.)

But apparently that's OK, because we poor peons no longer have access to the location data Apple's recording, which includes a unique identifier so that they can track iDevices.

No problem at all with that, apparently.

Re:It is pretty impressive how Apple deflected tha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122814)

As long as the phone companies are keeping this information---and they are---I want to be able to access it myself. This whole kerfluffle has made location tracking much *less* transparent.

Re:It is pretty impressive how Apple deflected tha (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123486)

Actually, I have no problem with that at all. Why? Because I don't give a flying fuck if Apple is tracking me or not and if I did, I could throw out my iphone (well, recycle it). Don't like some policy of Apple's? Don't use Apple products!!! But quit calling be a peon just because I don't wear a tinfoil hat like you. Some of us have a firm grasp on reality and have realized that with so many millions of iphone users, there simply isn't anyone who cares where you, a lone user out of millions, are at any particular moment.

Re:It is pretty impressive how Apple deflected tha (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124040)

Do I have to explain this in small words?

I don't care if you don't care about being tracked or not. My comment is simply that people were outraged at being "tracked by Apple" and Apple's solution was literally to hide the tracking data from end users, but continue to track them.

You're still being tracked by Apple. But you can't easily see it any more.

Which apparently was enough for people to stop caring, even though they were completely outraged that Apple might be tracking them just days before.

Re:It is pretty impressive how Apple deflected tha (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37125398)

The outrage appears to be sort of proportional to whether or not a person likes Apple or not. Don't like Apple? "ZOMG, I can be tracked using a smartphone? That's criminal, that's what is wrong with Apple! They're Evil!"

Like Apple? "Meh"

Don't like other people knowing where you are? Don't use a phone of any sort.

Re:Give me a break (2)

Njovich (553857) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122496)

Yes, and Apple would never abuse the courts in such a vile way! Give me a break. Also, how the hell is this a non issue? Yes it is just cellular tower locations. Of the cellular towers you were traveling near. This way, it allows anyone to see the route you travelled, timestamped, just by having access to your phone. You do not see any privacy issue with that?

Re:Give me a break (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123920)

No, it really doesn't.

As has been shown repeatedly, you *might* be able to get some idea of the rough area of the country you were in, but someone trying to actively pin down their location over time using this data had a serious problem doing so - it's very erratic and not at all like the "flashing dot on map with traced line" that people are expecting as often seen on CSI.

Also, people cannot access this data if all they have is your phone *unless* you don;t have it pin-locked. You need to access the file after it has been copied over to the computer the phone syncs with, *not* from the phone itself.

Now, if you have the phone and it's not locked you can simply back it up to a machine with iTunes and get the file, but if you don't know the passcode then your only option is to boot it in recovery mode, which will allow you to set it up on the machine but only by wiping all the data and factory restoring to defaults.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122570)

Please publish your location details for the last months. Go ahead. Right nere and now. I want to see what times you leave home, where you go, when you get back home. Where you go on weekends, nights etc. Dates and times. Then I'll believe you really think like you say.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37125666)

I haven't left my house in 3 months, you insensitive clod!

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122608)

This is just a bunch of ambulance chasers trying to cash in on what has already been dismissed as a non-issue.

Given the iPhone's GPS tracking capabilities, I'm sure they'll be able to find those ambulances pretty quickly.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122612)

Apple fanboi defends Apple. Film at 11.

Re:Give me a break (1)

organgtool (966989) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123098)

Yes, the iPhone tracks the locations and strengths of cellular towers.

...and the date and time the user was near that tower
...and stores that data permanently on the phone
...in an unencrypted format
...and transfers that data to any devices used to sync the phone

I'll agree that these people are simply trying to make a simple buck at Apple's expense. However, Apple needs to learn to be more careful with people's personal data. Most countries have rules that prevent their government from tracking citizens, so Apple should know that a private company doing the same thing may not go over well.

A lot of bites out of that Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122318)

With more to come. Google, beware. I see the spygles in front of my house, logging my location, tracking me. Go get screwed.

YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122326)

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122468)

I bet North Koreans ate all their dogs already.

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122694)

Well at least they're not eating somebody else's dogs...

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122714)

Dog is yummy.
Whenever one visits Korea in the summer, it is pretty much obligatory to have a nice dog soup with friends and a few bottles of soju.

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122744)

Does the meat in the dog soup smell like a wet dog?

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123054)

In Soviet North Koren, dog eat people lying dead (we hope dead) in street! Also see happening on Inchon isle lands.

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (2)

godrik (1287354) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123142)

Reading the wikipedia article you actually link will tell you they do not eat THEIR dog, but some dogs that are raised in order to be eaten. That's no different from eating rabbit (that are considered both pets and food in different country and sometimes in the same countries) or horses.

What is the problem of eating animals that are considered pets by others? If I take a cow as my pet, will you stop eating cows ? Obviously not. What animals are considered food or pets depend entirely on culture. Biologically speaking, we can eat pretty much anything that is biologically considered alive (well, some would make us damn sick...)

Besides, eating dog is not so common in South Korea.

Finally, I eat snails. Spiders are eaten in some parts of africa. Cinamon rolls are eaten in america. Everybody eats some food that is considered weird in some other part of the world.

Let's just accept it and move on...

Re:YOU KNOW THEY EAT THEIR DOGS ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123946)

Second section, from cited wikipee:

Current situation

The primary breed raised in dog farms for meat consumption, the Nureongi (ëëì), or Hwangu (í(TM)©ê; éfç--)

Sort of like UK cattle industry, only with Fido.

Shhhh! I'm hunting wabbit-hund. Don't twell nowody!

User error (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122328)

If their iPhones were tracking them then they were probably just holding them wrong.

Starcraft 2 (0)

mfh (56) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122342)

Can't play Starcraft 2 on this. MONEY!

Apple says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122374)

Apple says... Here's USD 30M and keep the change!

Re:Apple says... (1)

egr (932620) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122748)

The sum is insignificant, that is true. But I think the point is something else, and Apple won't bend over. For if they do a lot of people will ask the same.

Are you pirate Steve ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122392)

My location is patented and copyright material.

Figures... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122432)

These are worthless, gutless subhumans living under disgusting dictatorship.

Apple should buy the peninsula and drive them all into the sea.

Then progress northwards into China and force them all into slave labour building iPod Shuffles for the Master Race.

Re:Figures... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124848)

Except, this is South Korea...

Jesus. When did people get so stupid?

Dear Korean Friends (3, Insightful)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122438)

I've come to the belated realization that iPhones and (for the most part) Android phones are hardly more than devices for tracking your every move, thought, and desire for the purpose of selling stuff to you.

It's too bad you got taken in by the rows of shiny icons.

Also, in South Korea, only old people use iPhones [slashdot.org] .

Re:Dear Korean Friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122804)

At least the Android phones explicitly ask your permission. The iPhone just assumes you want Apple to track you.

Re:Dear Korean Friends (1)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123568)

So...let's all use BlackBerries and and Palms instead?

Re:Dear Korean Friends (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 3 years ago | (#37125154)

Multitouch MP3 player plus $20/month prepaid MiFi [virginmobileusa.com] ?

Good on the Koreans~ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37126360)

Fair play I say!

S.Korea is 2/3 the size of California (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37122440)

And five times the population density, many living in apartments. I wager lots of people have roughly identical movement patterns.

Re:S.Korea is 2/3 the size of California (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122792)

S. Korea is less than 1/4 the size of California.
It's about the same size as Kentucky.

Rotten apples (1, Insightful)

pdfsmail (2423750) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122450)

Ahh eat your own crap apple... You seriously think after suing suing suing no ones going to sue you.... ? Of course its not like you cant afford it... Now all we need is someone to sue you for a large sum of your bank account.

Re:Rotten apples (1)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122646)

You should hope Apple wins this case, however much you hate them, as Android (which I assume you like) would be negatively impacted by the precedent set by the case (if Apple is found liable).

Re:Rotten apples (2)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123306)

Shh were all supposed to be apple haters here...google does the same but with them its because they love us and want to protect us.

Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on any (-1, Flamebait)

hsmith (818216) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122544)

Thing, since they believe in the concept of "fan death". That a house fan will suck all the air out of a room and kill you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death [wikipedia.org]

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (1)

twocows (1216842) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122798)

Yes, I'm quite sure all Koreans (North and South!) believe that, and that those who do believe it are instantly incapable of having a valid opinion about anything.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122920)

Well it is true that all S Korean fans have a timer on them so that you won't accidently leave it on all night and die.
And it is true that "death by fan suffocation" is a legitimate cause of death for S. Korean death certificates.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124540)

Well it is true that all S Korean fans have a timer on them so that you won't accidently leave it on all night and die.

Actually, this is not true. It's quite easy to walk into large discount stores (e.g., Emart, Home Plus, etc.) and purchase fans without timers. However, it is true belief in fan death is almost universal here. I enjoy teasing my Korean friends about it.

Source: I am an expat in South Korea.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (1)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124636)

That's not the primary reason for the timer, and it doesn't take a lot of thinking to realize the real reason for the timer.

I haven't seen Korean death certificates, but I'm going to assume, first, that the "death by fan suffocation" is going to be read as a final straw contributing factor in an invalid or elderly person. Also, I'm going to guess that "suffocation", when/if that is the actual term used, is going to be intended as a reference to all the ways that fans can aggravate health issues in people who are not healthy: dry sinus, body temperature, breathing rhythm, etc.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122856)

They also believe that artistically arranged chunks of charcoal will absorb electromagnetic radiation.
But then again, Americans believe in alien abductions.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (0, Flamebait)

KahabutDieDrake (1515139) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122874)

By that logic, the United States has no valid opinion on anything because large portions of the population believe in Sky Wizards. Both fan death and "god" are baseless, irrational and superstitious. What makes your world view more valid than theirs?

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (2)

IKnwThePiecesFt (693955) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123710)

Because one can be disproven, and the other can't? Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist, but fan death and god are hardly in the same category.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124840)

Yeah. I'll never understand how, between the widespread vaccine/climate change/evolution/GMO food denialism, homeopathy and other alternative medicine 'nonsense', nuclear myths, general chemophobia, and all the other forms of scientific illiteracy in the US (and more significantly Europe) why it is always religious stuff that people hit on. I think a lot of it has more to do with atheism than science....like pretty much everything else nowadays, science takes the backseat.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124566)

Eat shit, you atheist CUNT.

Re:Koreans really don't have a valid opinion on an (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37124912)

What god gets you to respond like that? Sounds like a hateful asshole that I want absolutely nothing to do with...

Blame all Koreans? (1, Informative)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124586)

OK, sure, your brain is fogged over from lack of sleep or too much.

I live in Japan, which shares a lot of cultural artifacts with Korea. Also shares a similar climate and similar crowding.

There was a similar tradition in Japan about leaving the fan on all night here some thirty years ago, although what I remember had mostly to do with catching a cold from it, if you took the time to really understand what the people were saying.

The timer is there for several reasons, the primary one being that people who don't want the fun running all night don't want to have to set an alarm clock so they can shut it off.

Why should they want the fan to not run all night?

Saving electricity is one good reason.

Not wanting to dry the sinuses out is another.

Messing with the body temperature while the body is partially inactive is another.

Not so much now, but electrical insulation 60 years ago was not reliable, and fans left running all night were known to sometimes cause house fires. (And when your neighbor's house is as close as it tends to be in Japan and Korea, a house fire is a community problem, not just an individual problem.)

Translation issues in some cases did cause foreigners whose Japanese skills didn't match their imagination to misinterpret the reasons stated. Not saying that there weren't any strange superstitions involved. There was some of that, too. But there were translation problems as well and I have heard some really strange things from time to time that I've now traced to (mostly) mistranslation.

The sensations felt when you sleep under a fan too long, especially a steady, non-oscillating fan, can be remarkably like what the wikipedia article describes.

The sinuses drying can feel suffocating. The motion of the air, also, can interrupt the breathing rhythm. Both of these things can be a contributing factor in death for elderly or invalid people.

A vent fan pushing kitchen air outside can cause issues with air pressure inside, and, again, can aggravate other issues and become a partial cause of death. Depends on the construction of the building and the health of the occupants, of course.

And the body does partially lose its ability to regulate its temperature during sleep. A constant breeze can screw up temperature regulation as well, and the combination can give a person serious chills on a hot day. (I've felt those chills.) Again, this can combine with other problems and cause death.

So, yeah, the mass media is trying to sell advertisements with alarmist reporting, taking a core of reality and stretching it beyond all belief.

But I'm going to assume that the people who really believe the weird theories are among the fringe, which every country has its share of. Oh, and the foreigners whose Korean language skills don't help them distinguish between primary and contributing causes in reports.

Re:Blame all Koreans? (0)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124976)

The sinuses drying can feel suffocating. The motion of the air, also, can interrupt the breathing rhythm. Both of these things can be a contributing factor in death for elderly or invalid people...And the body does partially lose its ability to regulate its temperature during sleep. A constant breeze can screw up temperature regulation as well, and the combination can give a person serious chills on a hot day. (I've felt those chills.) Again, this can combine with other problems and cause death.

Dude. Stop. Just....stop. You are proving his point quite nicely. I can't sleep WITHOUT a fan. Does that make me a vampire or something dead?

But I'm going to assume that the people who really believe the weird theories are among the fringe, which every country has its share of.

Sounds like you are part of that same fringe, based on what I cited above.

this is a (4, Funny)

wervr (712696) | more than 3 years ago | (#37122718)

legal zerg rush

The rest of us are too busy. (2)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#37123144)

The rest of us are too busy entering all of our personal information into the advertising giant Facebook and Google+, to care about our privacy rights.

Sort of valid, I suppose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37123266)

I just used the logs in an old backup to catch my girlfriend in a lie related to some cheating she was doing last year.

Re:Sort of valid, I suppose (1)

scuzzlebutt (517123) | more than 3 years ago | (#37124416)

Liar. You can't both be posting on Slashdot AND have a girlfriend.

The New 300 ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37125776)

Against the Jobs reality distortion field effect.

Call Darth Vader or more likely Dick Chaney.

++//--

what you should do instead (1)

MadMaverick9 (1470565) | more than 3 years ago | (#37126020)

instead of suing them, you should stop buying their products if they cause you emotional stress and/or if you are concerned about your privacy.

nobody is forcing you to buy these products. so simply stop it already.

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