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Graphene In Space Offers Clues To Life On Earth

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the little-atoms-big-universe dept.

Space 22

Zothecula writes "Human beings may have only discovered how to create the one-atom-thick sheets of carbon atoms known as graphene in 2004 but it appears the universe could have been churning out the stuff since much earlier than that. While not conclusive proof of its existence in space, NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has identified the signature of graphene in two small galaxies outside our own. If confirmed, it would be the first-ever cosmic detection of the material and could hold clues to how carbon-based life forms such as ourselves developed."

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That's weird (1)

TheDarkNose (1613701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37123646)

The first link appears to not have any reference to the stuff, only DNA bases.

Re:That's weird (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 2 years ago | (#37124068)

That's actually rather interesting. I'm guessing the suggestion is that large, naturally occurring (and hence probably quite heavily contaminated, atom wise) could serve as a basis for DNA bases and similar molecules. What happens when you dunk billions upon billions of them in warm water? Who knows. But it could be a mechanism for abiogenesis. Inpure graphene -> amino acid base pairs -> DNA -> Badgers. Finding graphene in other galaxies could actually turn out to be big news in the long run.

Re:That's weird (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 2 years ago | (#37126372)

Inpure graphene -> amino acid base pairs -> DNA -> Badgers.

Oh Crap, Impure Space Badgers!
IIt was bad enough worrying about NEO's and GRB's...

Re:That's weird (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 2 years ago | (#37127368)

Shrooms would be the logical next step, although the scientists might have found them slightly before this, methinks :-)

Re:That's weird (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37128410)

Inpure graphene -> amino acid base pairs -> DNA -> Badgers.

Oh Crap, Impure Space Badgers! IIt was bad enough worrying about NEO's and GRB's...

What about the ROUS's?

Probably swarms of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37123680)

...graphene nano- or mega structures created not by nature, but by intelligent life.

If you haven't read the summary... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37123708)

If you haven't read the summary or the article, I'm here to tell you that it's pretty cool!

What they have discovered is a motherfucking huge note scribbled with a pencil that must be the size of twelve hundred luxury cruisers.

Of course the editors here tried to make it more sciency, talking about grapheme in space, when the fact that there is a huge note out there is the real news. Way to edit, stupid editors!

As to what the note says? RTFS and/or TFA !!!

free graphene is not stable (5, Informative)

mathfeel (937008) | more than 2 years ago | (#37123716)

We know that stars chunk out carbon and if graphene can be made out of Girl Scout cookies (http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/08/12/0359230/Researchers-Make-Graphene-From-Girl-Scout-Cookies), it is not surprising that graphene can form. But graphene is only stable when it sticks to a substrate such as SiO2. Freestanding graphene tends to roll up into more stable configuration such as scroll, carbon nanotube, and fullerene. Given that CNT's band structure is closed related to that of graphene and therefore also responds to infrared, I would venture to guess that's what they are actually seeing. Of course, it'd be pleasantly surprising if their claim is true.

Re:free graphene is not stable (2)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 2 years ago | (#37124118)

So large, naturally occurring sheets of graphene will naturally curl up into tubes? What are the odds of them being contaminated with H, O, N and P, "just so"? Pretty high given the numbers?

Re:free graphene is not stable (1)

mathfeel (937008) | more than 2 years ago | (#37125510)

So large, naturally occurring sheets of graphene will naturally curl up into tubes? What are the odds of them being contaminated with H, O, N and P, "just so"? Pretty high given the numbers?

A lot, graphene edge tends to be pretty "dirty" due to all those dangling carbon bonds. Remember organic chemistry is possible because carbon is the most promiscuous of all the elements: http://startalkradio.net/2011/05/22/the-political-science-of-the-daily-show [startalkradio.net]

Re:free graphene is not stable (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 2 years ago | (#37132302)

Since you seem to know a little about this, maybe you can clear up some of my confusion.

I wasn't aware that they could detect signatures of particular molecules in space... I know that with spectral imaging they can detect elements, but I was under the impression that this (for example) was why it's so hard to tell if there's water on some planet. You can't just point an antenna or camera at it and say "yup, there's H2O".

Secondly, isn't graphite basically stacked sheets of graphene, with small imperfections? In which case why is it so surprising that now they think they've found graphene in space? How can they tell the difference between graphene and graphite?

Part of a general trend (5, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37123812)

A lot of neat synthesized compounds have been found in nature after they've been made by people. A very similar example is how last year using very similar methods buckyballs (big carbon molecules with 60 carbon atoms in the shape of soccer balls) have been found in space http://blogs.nature.com/news/2010/07/carbon_buckyballs_found_in_spa.html [nature.com] . Buckyballs have also been found on Earth in craters from meteorites and they are believed to have been made in the impact. Since buckyballs are large enough to contain very small molecules, there's been work trying to take these buckyballs and trying to extract atoms which were inadvertently trapped during the C60 formation. http://cnx.org/content/m14355/latest/ [cnx.org] There's hope that this technique can help us learn about atmospheric issues from long ago as well as learn about isotope ratios and the like.

Unfortunately, Spitzer will not be operating forever. Indeed Spitzer has already run out of liquid helium, making most of its sensitive instruments inoperable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope [wikipedia.org] . Spitzer will likely have very little functionality by 2020. There's some slight good news in that Spitzer is in a heliocentric rather than geocentric orbit, so it won't need to be deorbited (often we need to deorbit satellites so that they don't contribute more space junk or engage in uncontrolled deorbits and hit something back on Earth). So Spitzer can keep working until the very end of its instruments.

The really bad news is that there's a lot of effort to cancel the James Webb Telescope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope [wikipedia.org] which will replace a lot of what Spitzer does and some of what Hubble does. Without Webb, when Spitzer goes, the US will have essentially no major space based telescope capacity. We will have let all that capacity be in the hands of Europe, Japan and China. Just as the center of particle physics moved to Europe when the LHC was built their and the SSC was canceled, so two the center of astrophysics may move to Europe. We are engaging in a slow steady decline. Neil deGrasse Tyson summarized the problem very well- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_F3pw5F_Pc [youtube.com] - We have stopped dreaming. The American dream is ending. We might yet stop it, but right now it looks like the US is going the way of all failed empires, falling slowly into stagnation.

Re:Part of a general trend (1)

teebowdada (618188) | more than 2 years ago | (#37125282)

You could have stopped writing after one paragraph and I would have left happy and full of hope. But no, you had to keep writing. The second paragraph is an unfortunate reality. I can accept that. But after reading your third paragraph, I'm going to cry.

Re:Part of a general trend (1)

Kashgarinn (1036758) | more than 2 years ago | (#37127740)

Do something more productive, write a letter to your senator everytime you feel like crying over something you can't change, but he might.

Re:Part of a general trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37135526)

Do something more productive, write a letter to your senator everytime you feel like crying over something you can't change, but he might.

You'll accomplish more by just holding on to that frustration until we rebel against the government.

Overlooking the obvious ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37126122)

Why can't all that graphene just be remnants of the technologies from alien civilisation...

Yes, I'm half joking. :)

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