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PS3 Enjoys Retail-Wide Sales Spike After Price Cut

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the gamers-have-short-memories dept.

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donniebaseball23 writes "Sony, after nearly two years on standing firm on PS3's price, dropped the console to $249, and it's been having an immediate impact. GameStop has already noted a 'significant' increase in PS3 sales, while big box retailer Target confirmed an 'immediate lift' in sales and recommended PS3 as a 'great option' for its customers. Not only that, but leading e-tailer Amazon saw PS3 sales explode by 400% in the days after the price cut. All told, in the months ahead, analysts are expecting Sony to see as much as a 30% sales bump for PS3 this holiday season."

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Correlation is not Causation. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138372)

Correlation is not Causation.

Think this post is stupid? SO IS THE ARTICLE.

People buy things more when prices fall? Stop the press, this is NEWS.

Re:Correlation is not Causation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138490)

When you lower the price, you sell more product. There are a lot of things you learn in ECON classes that are pure bullshit. This is not one of them.

Colloquially, "when you lower the price you increase demand". Technicly, given a lower price, the intersection of the demand curve and the supply curve moves to a point where the number of units sold is greater.

Of course, it is economic theory. I suppose that if you lowered the price for something where demand was already dropping like a rock, you wouldn't see more units sold. I wager PS3 sales weren't dropping like a rock.

OTOH, if you wanted to call BS on "rational actors" or Keynesian theory, or Austrian theory, I might go along with that. IMHO, the greatest folly of economic theory in general is to think that what can be measured in economic terms is an economic problem. More often than not it's a social problem, outside the scope of economics and thus likely to be unexplained by economic theory.

But I digress. The "price fell and demand increased". 'nuff said.

Re:Correlation is not Causation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138502)

You start out saying correlation is not causation but then feign surprise that a price drop causes increased sales.

You know - causation.

Why didn't you just say "FRIST POST" or something equally stupid?

Re:Correlation is not Causation. (2)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138524)

Jesus, can you shut up?

just because an event is obvious doesn't make it non news worthy, Especially when event is actually quantified.

or do you get up in arms when you see news articles like "bad weather destroys port" because "this isn't news, we know that bad weather can cause damage."

I think you need to learn the difference between news and unexplained phenomenon.

I really don't like sony but... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138376)

Is there any other way to get a 3d bluray player and a sixaxis (to use with my n900 and android tablet) for cheaper than this price?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138406)

pc

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138422)

A PC with 3D Blu-Ray playback and a Six-Axxis controller for less than $249?

Where?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138462)

Well you already have a PC. How much does a Blu-Ray drive cost?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138628)

how do you know. Maybe he has a netbook or is using a phone.

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138754)

Hm, let me check newegg.

External USB* Blu-ray drive: On sale for $76.99
Dualshock 3 Controler: $42.99
Total: 119.98 + shipping

Don't get me wrong, I like the PS3 as a Bluray player (and DVD upconverter, media center, etc) myself, but the kind of hardware it's packing has come down in price a heck of a lot since it was first released. It made more sense three years ago than it does now, but it's not yet a completely dumb idea.

*Are there any smartphones that can even handle an external drive via USB?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138776)

(Playing dumb) Is this $120 hardware kit able to connect directly to my TV?

[of course not]

(/dumb) How much does the rest of the PC cost?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138872)

(Playing smartass) You still have a TV? No, wait, let me guess, you've also got a landline phone and newspaper delivery, too, don't you? How hilariously quaint!

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Gazoogleheimer (1466831) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138948)

(playing smarterass) Some of us still love five nines...

Re:I really don't like sony but... (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139548)

I'm more fond of Seven of Nine myself.

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140332)

Bottom of the line dual DIY kit...$199, or you can get a quad refurb for $370 [woot.com] and of course MR PC does things that PS3 simply can't, like actual work, drag and drop hardware transcoding to most of the popular formats, rip those BDs and DVDs and convert them into a nice .MKV or H.264 .avi and store them on the 1Tb of space so your media is at your fingertips without needing stupid discs, play real FPS and MMOs instead of the auto aiming crap, etc.

Hey if a PS3 floats your boat? Do what you want with your money, I hear there are guys that think Halo is actually innovative as well. If you think gear 3 generations behind the curve is worth $250? Hey I'm happy for you. But when you can get an HD4850 for $60 that GPU in the PS3 don't look that impressive and lets be honest folks the PS3 ain't never had a really great game library and nearly all the big titles are either for both or for x360.

Personally I hope they make it, I'm a big believer in competition. But Sony has bled through cash this generation while MSFT had enough cash in the bank it frankly didn't matter if they made a profit or not, but considering how many X360s are out there I'm sure they cleaned up.

The question is are they gonna have enough money to make the PS4. It looks like IBM isn't gonna do anything else with the cell, so they are probably gonna have to jump arches AGAIN which will probably tick off developers that took ages to get the hang of the funky PS3 layout. With Nintendo going to be first out the gate I wouldn't be surprised if MSFT isn't far behind and I don't know if they are gonna be able to string along the PS3 like they did the PS2, it simply doesn't have the back catalog the latter did. And Blu Ray is pretty much a bomb, Netflix and Redbox has pretty much killed BD as for the masses streaming and DVD is "good enough".

I wish them luck I truly do but I bet the next couple of years are gonna be ugly for Sony as they try to come up with the truly insane money it costs to crank out a new console.

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140514)

Except i actually like bluray, and i don't really play games and can any pc bluray drive do 3d? Either way a barebones with a bluray drive and a sixaxis still isn't going to get close to that price. Also, what's the point of buying bluray/if you're just going to compress it?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

hirvonen (644314) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139314)

There is a standard for that, USB OTG (on-the-go).

N810 supports it (not a phone, unfortunately), don't know if N900 does.

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140462)

My n800 can hardly decode ntsc resoltion, the n900 can't do 720p and neithe can even come close to doing 1080p 3d, and even if they could whats the point of bluray on a tiny 800x600 screen? The tv output of the n900 is just ntsc, so no go there either, only fit for emulators and mame hence the sixaxis.

What exactly was your point?

Re:I really don't like sony but... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140362)

I don't have a pc. Just a phone and a tablet. While i may be able to hook up an extrnal to my n900 there's no way it oculd decode blu-ray let alone 3d.

Re:I really don't like sony but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139920)

and access to nfl season pass without switching over to dish network? ! http://www.slashgear.com/directv-nfl-sunday-ticket-hits-ps3-for-subscribers-and-non-subscribers-18172657/

PS3 Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138382)

Sony still sucks for taking away Linux support. Fuck them.

Features (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138388)

Is this to compensate future feature removals from the console?

I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138396)

but it took so long I did not care, I got a 99$ gamestop trade in 360, it plays new games and looks fine on my crt tv

=|

No One Gives A Shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138482)

You bought the biggest piece of shit console in history used.

Wow, what a bargain.

Re:No One Gives A Shit (1)

Fnordulicious (85996) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138760)

Nonsense. There have been far worse consoles in history. What of the Philips CD-i? Or the Apple Pippin? Or the Nintendo Virtual Boy? Or reaching back a bit, how about the Atari 5200? Or the WoW Action Max? Or the RCA Studio II?

I know you’re just trolling –and rather poorly too – but you really ought to know a bit more about console history. There are plenty of really awful consoles out there, and to really pick on something you’d do well to be able to compare to them.

Xbox 360 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138876)

Let's just sum up Microsoft's 'amazing' Xbox 360:

* Rushed out the door with poorly designed and underpowered hardware after the first Xbox fiasco

* The only console in history to be shipped with a SMALLER disc format compared to previous gens. 6.7 GB 360 vs 8.5 PS2/Xbox

* Forced to pay 50-60 dollars a year extra just to be allowed to play games online with laggy P2P based networking

* Jet engine loud operation due to the piece of crap outdated DVD drive spinning at an insane rate and shitty, poorly designed cooling system

* Giant Ghostbusters style external powerbrick

* Graphics hardware so weak that it is the only console in history to be forced to rely on silly fanboy 'side by side' comparisons with shitty multiplatform games because its own exclusive games have been blown away by the competition

* Absolute joke lineup of exclusive games due to Microsoft's pathetic lineup of only 3 first party studios compared to Sony's gigantic 21 and Nintendo's 10

* Can only play old low res DVD movies

* Absurdly overpriced addons

* No webbrowser

* Absolute cheapest lowest bidder construction - shitty tray loading drive, etc.

* The garbage HD-DVD addon

* The shitty Sony EyeToy ripoff, Kinect, addon

Gee, can't imagine why the Xbox 360 is in last place this gen in worldwide sales and is already being pulled from the shelves in Japan...

Re:Xbox 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37140634)

These points, although written in a manner that indicates high emotional investment on your part, may well be true. However, if the guy enjoys his second hand 360 as much as you enjoy your PS3, what's to prove?

Re:No One Gives A Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139538)

The philips CD-i was a great console. What are you on about?

True, I only used it for Tetris and CDi/VCD movies, but still.

Re:No One Gives A Shit (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139752)

My dad won a CD-i and offloaded it on me. I had precisely one title for it - Four Weddings and a Funeral. The MPEG-1 quality was so shocking and chunky even back in the day that I wasn't even remotely interested in expanding the collection. The thing lived in a plastic bag until I got rid of it somehow. I saw a few games running in stores but they looked awful too. Lemmings was perhaps semi passable but then you needed to use the crappy controller rendering it virtually unplayable. It was a lame duck of a system.

I think Commodore's CDTV was more interesting but ahead of it's time. After all it was an Amiga, but that too didn't exactly set the world on fire and the video playback was an expensive add-on. If it did it out of the box it might have been a better proposition. What amazed me was that video CDs actually took of in Asia and were available long after they were dead and buried in the West.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (2)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138848)

*twitch* You're using a PS3 on a CRT TV? That's like the A/V equivalent of buying a Ferrari and never driving over 30 mph. I think I'm going to have a seizure...

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139750)

Why? My old QXGA CRT would like to inform you that I have been gaming in higher-than-hd resolutions and refresh rates since before halo came out. That's right, 2048x1536.

Define TV (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140078)

My old QXGA CRT would like to inform you

Does this monitor have a TV tuner? If not, it's technically not a TV.

If sharing a song makes you a pirate, what do I have to share to be a ninja?

Seeing as ninja were covert agents in feudal Japan, a close modern counterpart would be the kind of stuff reported on by WikiLeaks.

Exclusive (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140036)

You're using a PS3 on a CRT TV? That's like the A/V equivalent of buying a Ferrari and never driving over 30 mph.

Then which console plays PS3-exclusive franchises and is better for use with a paid-for TV, either a CRT SDTV or an early adopter CRT HDTV? To continue your analogy, there exist parts of the country to which the only roads are roads on which only a Ferrari can travel.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138960)

I have not been waiting for this day.

I will never -- NEVER -- buy any equipment manufactured by Sony. Sony has been on my shit list since the Rootkit Fiasco. The GeoHotz issue just cemented my resolve even further.

LOL, Bitter Loser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139134)

Cry bitch, cry.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (3, Insightful)

indeterminator (1829904) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139504)

Heh, I have to pay the MS tax every time I buy a laptop, even if the first thing i do is to wipe Windows off the hard drive. So why should I give them even more money?

At least all the money I've used for buying Sony stuff (not much more than a PS3 + games really) is based on a voluntary decision.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140062)

I have to pay the MS tax every time I buy a laptop

I know of at least two companies selling laptop computers with an operating system other than Windows. One is Apple. Another is System76. Dell used to, but Dell.com/ubuntu appears to be empty as I submit this.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

sacrilicious (316896) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140272)

I think I remember Walmart was or is in the game of selling linux laptops too... (?)

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140560)

I think it's a pretty hard sell to list Apple as an alternative to sony for ethical/moral reasons. What sony has done pales in comparison to what Apple has been doing recently.

Re:I have personally been waiting for this day (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140638)

At least Apple officially allows homebrew for $99 per year. To what do you refer? Apple's refusal to license the MagSafe connector patent to accessory makers?

No thanks (-1, Troll)

Yaur (1069446) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138398)

Who the would trust Sony with their CC Info at this point and why would I want a PS3 without PSN?

Re:competition (0)

sanjeev123 (2440102) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138438)

Re:competition (1)

xeon13 (2268514) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138448)

Even if he did buy pre-owned, any new games that he buys earns Sony some revenue. Hardware is expensive, especially now. Inflation argument be damned, saving any money right now is in the consumer's best interest. A $50 cut is fine, but the chance to buy a PS3 for $200 is a great deal for most people.

Re:No thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138444)

PSN doesn't cost money. And if you do want to purchase something available on PSN, you can get a PSN card and none of your details need ever go to Sony.

Re:No thanks (0)

happylight (600739) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138450)

No one gives a shit but you.

Re:No thanks (3, Interesting)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138464)

You do realize you can get PSN without giving them your credit card info since it is free, right? Heck, even if you want to buy something you don't have to give them your CC info, just need to buy PSN cards at the store.

Re:No thanks (1)

Yaur (1069446) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138606)

You do realize you can get PSN without giving them your credit card info since it is free, right? Heck, even if you want to buy something you don't have to give them your CC info, just need to buy PSN cards at the store.

I didn't actually know that. Thanks for the info.

Re:No thanks (1)

halowolf (692775) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139212)

Which is exactly why I am never giving Sony my CC info ever again. I just used it for convenience, however cancelling my CC wasn't so convenient so no more CC transactions for them.

Re:No thanks (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139796)

Who the would trust Sony with their CC Info at this point and why would I want a PS3 without PSN?

One might reasonably apply that question to any random website. Besides Sony have had their kicking and it's likely their security is much better than the industry average.

PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video card (2, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138420)

I know quite a few people who have consoles and are looking at buying a new video card for their PC instead of getting BF3 on their console (PS3). The PS3 getting the price drop before several high end games (MW3, BF3, Mass Effect 3, etc) come out this fall doesn't seem like a huge surprise. For the less technically inclined, a $250 console might look like a better option than a $200-250 video card + installation + buggy drivers.
 
Heck, as a "PC guy", I might finally consider getting a PS3 simply as a HTPC replacement. Blu-Ray + Netflix + PC for web browsing on my TV @ $250 is way cheaper than buying a used mac mini or similar device. Not to mention the much better resale value...

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138488)

Yea, about "web browser" you might as well assume the PS3 doesn't have a web browser. It's so shitty that nothing renders right in it, and youtube only works about one fourth of the time due to weird navigation issues(you click on one video and it gives you the one under it.. you click on the one under it and it gives you one 5 videos under it. etc)

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138540)

If only someone who built consoles allowed you to install Other OSes...

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138748)

Seems to me that a Laptop or even just a small-form-factor PC *is* the sort of console you're talking about:
1. Interfaces to your TV via HDMI(common, these days).
2. Will use most all controllers, either via USB or an adaptor
3. Runs any OS or combination of OS's.
4. Greatest selection of games ever.
5. Better graphics on even a low-end system.
6. Better browser, and a gigantic collection of homebrew.

What's not to like?

Yea. I know.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138506)

Isn't BF3 a real FPS? In that case consoles really takes away immersion and playability.
As for Mass Effect 3 the controls will probably make it unplayable on PC anyway.

Re:preowned (-1, Troll)

forexcashbak (2439366) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138512)

Re:preowned (1)

essayservices (2242884) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138518)

GOTTA LOVE all this great news! PS3 Price drop New wii in europe and 3DS price drop and resurge in sales! The Holidays are shaping up to be a great time for gamers... cmon Microsoft Youre Up!

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138532)

Yeah, im also considering buying a PS3 just as a media center. Not many console games that interest me, but blu ray and netflix sure do. Not a big fan of sony, but its the best device for what i want. Have a Wii and no blu-ray now, waiting for them to definitively say the WiiU will not have blu-ray before i buy a PS3

Wii U (2)

VisibleSchlong (2422274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138578)

The Wii U will have a 25 gigabyte disc format like the PS3's 25/50 gigabytes discs, but it won't be a standard Blu-Ray drive and won't play Blu-Ray movies.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (3, Interesting)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138588)

For both ya'll... PS3 are great. I've had one for years, has lasted this whole time, and is playing the new Bad Lieutenant right now on netflix. If you have a media server on your home network, you can access it with the PS3. You can also put in yoru own HDD and not break the warranty. Sony tells you exactly how. That way you can do all kinds of media storing, etc.

PS3 is great. Blu Ray, HD, 3d gaming and movies, media playing, open platform for USB hardware and bluetooth hardware. I know people on slashdot hate sony and for their reasons, and i understand them. I've thought about whether i would buy the next generation... who knows.. but I do appreciate what I have. Great gear.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (3)

DirePickle (796986) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138596)

If all you want to do is Blu-Ray and Netflix, than the PS3 is just fine. If you plan to do anything else home-theater-esque with it (even web browsing), you'd really be far, far, far better served by a cheap HTPC. There are things like PS3 Media Server that help serve video from your PC to PS3, but it's frequently more trouble than it's worth.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138706)

I've been using PS3 Media Server for a while now, and it's pretty good at what it says it does. It'll play most any media file you throw at it. What more do you need?

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138812)

If you do TV (over-the-air is free and awesome) I'd get something that can act as a media extender; either a Windows Media Center extender, or a MythTV or VDR or Mediaportal or TVHeadend or whatever frontend. An atom-based Windows box works nicely since you can also use it for casual/older games.

The PS3 works fine if you're not going to be doing that stuff. Good luck getting a 1080p media player with blu-ray for $250. PS3 Media Server works; it obviously decreases quality a bit and swamps the CPU of the computer that's doing the transcoding, but it works and it's easy to use.

Me, I'm sort of cheap right now. I have TV with a PC and an Xbox hooked up to it, and a TV table for my keyboard and mouse. My TV is currently my TV and my computer monitor. It works.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (2)

Splab (574204) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139112)

Amen. I started out with PS3 Media Server and the PS3, but gave up, it is such a friggin hassle to work with. These days I'm using a QNAP NAS and a small HTPC, works every time.

(Shame less plug, one drive in the QNAP gave up and for some reason the entire soft array got whacked, the QNAP tech rebuild the array remotely for no charge; that's customer service).

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1, Insightful)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139558)

Actually its pretty easy to set up a media server for a PS3/Xbox. I have an application that can share to both Xbox and PS3 I've never had a problem with it.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139748)

I can't answer directly about a PS3 (or xbox) as I use a Raidsonic icybox for that, but it all comes down to the video codec support on the playback device. Sure PS3MediaServer can transcode on the fly, but I never liked that too much.

You can get little boxes that sit under the TV and are networked to your PC over cabled ethernet for £20 and they work for practically all codecs (some .mkv contaners can have unusual contents). Buying a PS3 for this task is a lot of money in comparison. There's basically 2 chipsets used for these little devices, my Icybox uses the Realtek RTD1073 and it's given me no problems whatsoever. (the other is the Seasonic which I think has slightly less codec support)

As for the server software, check out tvmobili [tvmobili.com] which is a lot slicker than PS3MediaServer, smaller, and has the ability to keep your PC awake while streaming. Cross platform too and lets you stream over the internet (eg to your phone while you're out, battery life and data transfer cap is on your own head :) )

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139852)

Actually it's easy enough to use the PS3 through a DLNA server. Windows 7 Home Premium comes with a server in the OS so it's a small effort to set up. Personally I use a Synology NAS (which is excellent kit btw) and stream from that. Put the PS3 on the same network as the server and UPnP should take care of the rest.

Generally it makes an excellent media box allowing content to be played locally, from physical media or remotely over http or DLNA. There are a couple of major issues with the PS3 for media streaming which can be an impediment:

  1. Local content is restricted to 4GB max size. I don't know if that applies to streamed content.
  2. The PS3 doesn't support MKV container formats. Instead you use AVI (for DIVX format) or MP4 (for AVC H264) and you're good to go.

It would be nice if it supported MKV + the codecs they already support + subtitles. Hopefully the format has gained enough industry traction for Sony to consider supporting it.

Web browsing is poor on the PS3. There have been off / on rumours of something changing in that department for a while but nothing concrete. The issue is Sony uses a licenced browser called Netfront and it's a heap of crap. It would be nice if they used something based off Webkit or even licenced Opera Mini but most likely if an update occurs it will just be a bumped version of Netfront. Better than nothing I suppose.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138702)

Be careful with using the PS3 as a media center. It will look for watermarks on movies that you've ripped from DVD/Blu-Ray and will refuse to play them.

(In a more general sense, never buy consumer electronics from a media company.)

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (2, Informative)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139290)

I'm calling bullshit on that. I use my PS3 as a media center and it's fine with all the divx/xvid movies/series that I've got, whether they're ripped or downloaded. It can get a bit fussy with some mp4 files, but a transcode to divx fixes that.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138736)

Yeah, but you need to factor in identity theft into the price as well.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138744)

I do not know why people keep saying this, i have not had a problem with buggy drivers (nvidia) in atleast 5 years. I have atleast 6 computers here all with nvidia cards including configured as sli, hybrid sli, and sli with independent additional cards. At one point i was even running 2 different versions of the nvidia drivers simultaneously to handle a brand new 560ti (prior to the driver becoming unified) and an additional 8000 series card driving the 3rd and 4th monitor. All of this has worked flawlessly under winXP, XP 64, and Win 7. And while i was gaming without a hitch almost everyone i know experienced a 360 red ring of death nonsense and were out of commission for weeks getting repairs or this latest fiasco with PSN.

I think the days of the typical whine about PC gaming being buggy because of drivers are over. Add steam into the equation and i find that PC gaming is significantly more convenient than console gaming. The big problem we face now is games that are buggy because they are all becoming half-assed console ports.

So please stop perpetuating the PC gaming hardware difficulties myth if you do not know what you are talking about.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138926)

You're forgetting the fact that the PC had the power of the PS3 4 years ago. You can get an 8800 GTS for less then $100 there's no point in comparing if you forget the used video card market. Comparing a PS3 price dropped TODAY against a modern videocard is dumb as rocks considering the PC has been well ahead of the consoles since the 8800 and Core 2 duo which was 4 years ago.

I can run any big name multiplatform game on a core 2 + 8800 GTS (Assasins creed, Darksiders, etc) at higher resolutions and better framerates then a console and that is on last gen hardware.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (2)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139056)

Heck, you can buy a 460gtx which is 2-3x as powerful as a 8800GTS for $120 these days. $100 for an 8800GTS is wasting your money. I was in the BF3 alpha and can confirm that BF3 runs at a solid 60fps on a 460gtx.
 
I totally agree! I was running Bad Company 2 (BF3 lite) on a 8600GT and a midrange Core 2 for a few years (I've since upgraded). BF3 is definitely geared towards turning the screws on even a high end PC with all the settings maxed out... but at the same time, the engine still has to run on six-year old hardware *cough* consoles *cough*. I don't think (most) console owners are in denial that their hardware is ancient, but the stark reality is that games are written to run on consoles first, and PC is generally an afterthought*. You'll note that I highlighted "PC Guy" in quotes in the original post; I definitely agree you get a higher quality experience on the PC, particularly in terms of resolution. I don't think I'm forgetting that consoles run on ancient hardware. My point was that the console market is something like 10x the size of the PC market. I've run across some really sharp people, but have zero motivation and would rather have a console than a PC. There's a huge segment of the population that wants the "bleeding edge", but at the same time want bleeding edge technology that "just works". Consoles represent the equivalent of a toaster with an HDMI port on the back. Insert bread, press start button, receive 46" glorious 3D gaming toast. Asking the general public sitting on their couch after a 10 hour day + 1 hr commute each way with their boss breathing down their neck, a dog and 2.6 children to do any more is madness.

*yes, I'm acutely aware that "PC is the lead platform for BF3"

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138928)

You always can buy cheap AMD E350 mini-itx motherboards.(around 100$ ) and build HTPC.

Install Ubuntu + smplayer (or vlc or Boxee or XBMC and enjoy the ride :)

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139312)

Currently rocking a C2D 2.6ghz/8600GTX/4GB RAM; the only down side is a) noisy power supply and b) pulls almost 360w continuous.
 
The most recent PS3 only pulls 100w on average; the PS3 would pay for itself in 3 years at current electric rates. http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html#PS3_Model_Differences [edepot.com]

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (0)

mad_minstrel (943049) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139386)

The PS3 is a horrible choice for a HTPC replacement. It won't let you update your codecs, it won't play .mkv, it doesn't support subtitles, it doesn't let you record anything, the only way to get anything on it is via the slow-as-molasses USB2 connection or via lan (but it won't be much faster because the hard drive is a slow 2.5-incher) and you have to buy a remote seperately (which you can't replace with a universal one - bluetooth).

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

FlyveHest (105693) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139766)

Or, you need a PC or comparable somewhere on your network to run PS3 Media Server software.

But as a standalone media server, the PS3 really is a pretty bad choice, you'd be much better off with for instance a WDTV, which still costs considerably less.

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140038)

Recording is only important if you subscribe to live TV

Re:PS3 now costs as much as a midrange BF3video ca (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37140652)

Or you can just just use the samsung remote from your tv to control it :) Then again if i do want to play media files i just stick a usb stick or harddrive into my samsung tv, it even plays mkv. Cant stick a 3d bluray into it though, and i'm guessing you can't do that with a htpc either.

Drop the price of games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138440)

I look at console all of the time... decide to buy... then look at the game prices... shocked by the prices of the games... I leave the store... NO SALE!

Does it run linux? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138494)

I was one of those people who cared about this.

Compensation (-1, Flamebait)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138496)

But will I be compensated in some way for having purchased it at full price (two months ago), as 3DS owners were?

Or will Sony customer support be once again nonexistent?

Re:Compensation (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138538)

Wow, entitlement complex much?

Re:Compensation (0)

Lysander7 (2085382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138568)

Wow, entitlement complex much?

And how would this be an entitlement complex? It's not as though I'm some spoiled kid that wants as much as I can get my hands on - I work two jobs, 50+ hours a week, and could really use any extra money. It took enough time just to save up for the system, just for them to slash the price shortly thereafter. So if I do have an entitlement complex, as you're saying, I'd say it's well-earned.

Re:Compensation (2)

Montezumaa (1674080) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138656)

Should people that purchased stocks, in any particular company, that ended up going down in price, be refunded the difference? The answer would be, "Hell no". The fact is that you have to make a purchase and hope your bet(i.e. your purchase) was placed at the right time. If you are wrong, then you go the poorer for it. If you cannot afford to be wrong, then do not buy.

As far as "earning" anything; you haven't. My girlfriend works for the life-sucking, vicious company that is AT&T(wireless). She wakes up at 0450, leaves the house by 0600, and does not get home until 1930 to 2000. Afterwards, if she doesn't have to log into her VPN, to finish off some work(which happens 85% of the time), then she has to feed the dogs and jump into bed. That is just in time to see the clock hit 2200 to 2230. If she has to do work, then it more like 2345 to 0030. Even when the weekend rolls around, she is work six to nine hours, both days. Of course, she is just happy to still have a job.

So, spare me this "well-earned" statement. There are people that work far harder than you, for far longer, and probably for less money. I mean, it isn't like my girlfriend is receiving a six-figure salary for the ridiculous amount of work she does. In actuality, she makes way below that mark; I mean way, way below it. On top of it, management tells her group others see them "smiling too much". ...and, no, I am not making that shit up. So, I guess she cannot be too overtly happy.

I do not fault you for wanting to see the most value for your money. My problem is that you are using the wrong argument.

Re:Compensation (2)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 3 years ago | (#37138668)

Yes, you're being ridiculous. Your finances, your shopping habits, and your unfortunate timing are not Sony's problem. Nor is your decision to spend several hundred dollars on an entertainment console when most of your 'rebuttal' revolves around your cash flow problems.

You want money back? Pack the thing up and try to get a refund from wherever you got it from. Don't expect the retailer to have much sympathy either.

Meanwhile, in this neck of the woods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138548)

In North America, the 160 GB PS3 and the 320GB PS3 are now available for $249 and $299, respectively.

Over here, though before the price cut (which may never even happen for us):

PS3 40 GB = $300
PS3 80 GB = $340
PS3 120 GB = $380
PS3 160 GB = $470
PS3 250 GB = $530
PS3 320 GB = $550

I'm not familiar with consoles, but I think you can't pirate PS3 games, so I'd be really surprised if the console enjoyed much sales.

The Xbox 360 slim 250 GB is "only" $400. The Kinect version of the same thing is $580.

Hello From Earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138558)

"so I'd be really surprised if the console enjoyed much sales"

The PS3 is the top selling console worldwide in 2011.

And that was before this price cut.

Re:Hello From Earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139236)

Nobody said anything about "worldwide".

Radioactive contamination checks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138888)

IIRC most SONY products are still manufactured in Japan and not farmed out to China or other Asian countries. I am curious as to where in Japan the actual factories are. For example, Alpine (car stereo makers), have factories in the Fukushima area so I would be wary to buy anything from them for the time being. Is any testing being done on electronics products from Japan? We know that the food exported from Japan is only getting haphazard testing that cannot be relied up and they are actively selling contaminated beef domestically to their own population.

As ridiculous as it may sound to some this should be a real concern. Radioactive isotopes like uranium, plutonium, strontium are not things that should be taken lightly. Sure, you are not eating your PS3 but you can easily inhale the particles or get them in your skin from touching.

Re:Radioactive contamination checks? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139476)

Alpine (car stereo makers), have factories in the Fukushima area so I would be wary to buy anything from them for the time being.

Why? For fear of radiation?

Re:Radioactive contamination checks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139708)

Yes. They have a manufacturing plant is in Fukushima which is currently spewing out millions of becquerels/hr per day. It has not stopped despite what western media is telling you. Contamination will be extensive but we cannot let it get int he way of consumerism and the economy! The government here has been willfully distributing contaminated beef to the general public here in Japan. Please are getting very angry here. So if they care this little about their own people you can imagine they will not care about anyone else.

Re:Radioactive contamination checks? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139880)

Do you have any indication for increased radiation in the actual products (apart from wild guesses a la "there must be radiation in them, after all it's in Fukushima!!!1eleven")? After all, the raw materials they are producing it from are most likely not from Fukushima (and if they are, it doesn't matter where the factory is anyway).

PS3 "success" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37138980)

Now that the console is affordable, and games area easily pirated, it can be observed that there might be 400% sale growth in consoles but nowhere near as many in games.

If Sony had any clue they'd not bother with protection as much so their console will be ever more popular. I refer you all to the amazing success of the wii. Easily pirated, cheap and sold more than all the others.

With jail breaking the PS3 becomes an even more attractive product.

At the end of the day, there are a lot of PS3 consoles sitting in a warehouse somewhere, if they are not sold now, when will they ever?

Just a thought.

Yuo FaiL It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139272)

has ground to a Worse and worse. As Creek, abysmal of OpenBSD versus AT&T and Be8keley Betwwen each BSD Dim. Due to the

Count Me In (2)

vga_init (589198) | more than 3 years ago | (#37139618)

I'm by no means a console fanboy or gaming nut. I grew up playing video games and still do. I was skeptical about buying into the current generation of consoles, but I purchased a PS3 Slim shortly after the price cut. In the prior years I hadn't played any recent games because I didn't have any recent console, nor did I ever purchase PC gaming hardware (a regular desktop was always good enough for me). It's a slick device and well worth the money; I'm really glad I bought it. Since then I got more into gaming and purchased a couple other consoles and a high end video card for my latest desktop. Most of my game time is still on the PS3, and I would recommend it to anyone who had to pick just one thing.

Also it's not just good for games. It's possibly the most well rounded general entertainment device I've ever owned. It makes the big HDTV in my living room come alive with on demand downloadable content, streaming movies and shows, blu-ray films, and whatever else a person could want from a home entertainment center. It's good at what it does and does it quickly and efficiently with great audio and video quality. Basically you're getting a lot of bang for your buck, because the PS3 has the equivalent functionality of 3 or 4 other devices that would require a high upfront cost and be more of a hassle to deal with. It's ironic considering how skeptical I was before I even thought about buying one, and I don't much like Sony, but after all is said and done, it's an awesome product.

Re:Count Me In (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139838)

this message brought to you from the good folks at Sony.

Re:Count Me In (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139946)

What is this?

A PR post written by Sony?

Re:Count Me In (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37140076)

My favourite aspect of the PS3 was that it was marketed as being able to run Linux, so I can also use it as a backup computer if my primary workstation goes down. That was the deal-clincher for me.

So much for the boycott... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37139828)

Well, so much for all the ./ rage a few months ago about Evil Sony and their pursuit of poor hackers, DRM, and lax security procedures.... I guess at the end we all do have our price, don't we?
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