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Windows 8 To Fight Piracy With the Cloud

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the arrr-me-hearties dept.

Microsoft 404

MrSeb writes "With the latest Windows 8 build (8064) that has been delivered to Intel, it's clear that the company is taking strides to make sure that its upcoming OS isn't quite so easy to pirate. For starters, the generic volume license keys that were so easily exploited during the early days of Windows 7 leaks will no longer be an option for pirates. Product keys also won't be shipped in the prodkey.txt file included in the build packages. Instead, installers will need to retrieve a unique key from a Microsoft web page. There's also a good possibility that the recently-surfaced fast booting patent could come into play as well. If Microsoft does indeed have designs on using a remote server to push OS code to systems at boot time, that code would be a very clever place to embed activation-related programming. Even if a crack was discovered, it would be neatly undone during a subsequent start-up sequence — similar to the way Microsoft's now-idle Windows Steady State could turn back the clock on an entire Windows installation after rebooting." Microsoft has also indirectly confirmed in a recent blog post that Windows 8 will make use of an app store.

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well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145000)

This assumes that most end users haven't already moved on to iPods, Android tablets, and set top boxes with Youtube/Netflix streaming and web browsers built in by the time Windows 8 is released.

Exactly! This is the "Post PC Era" (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145404)

Microsoft is clearly doing its part in this, by taking actions to kill-off Windows.

For which effort, I heartily commend them!

Re:well (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145674)

You thought keyboard turners were hellish in world of warcraft, wait until you have to deal with the touchscreen interface players!

Somehow, I doubt that the PC-as-we-know-it is going to die in the year or so before Windows 8 comes out.

Widows? (1)

CowardWithAName (679157) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145014)

...similar to the way Microsoft's now-idle Windows Steady State could turn back the clock an entire Widows installation after rebooting."

What does the owner's husband being deceased have to do with anything?

Re:Widows? (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145122)

He died waiting for a license key.

Re:Widows? (1)

jamiesan (715069) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145792)

Sure it wasn't some sort of virus?

Here it begins.. the FUD (1, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145328)

Here it begins, the FUD DRM campaign against Windows 8 and a collective group of people getting their panties in a twist.

Remember some gems for Windows 7, can anyone tell what became of them?

Draconian-DRM-Revealed-In-Windows-7
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257 [slashdot.org]

Debunked here:
Oh, the humanity: Windows 7's draconian DRM?
  http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars [arstechnica.com]

Vista was the most fudded one though(DRM etc.) , with a fake columnist making up fake data and benchmarks to play on Slashdot commenters and it did work well.

Sponsored by BoycottNovell?

Re:Here it begins.. the FUD (1, Insightful)

mystikkman (1487801) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145422)

From the summary:

There's also a good possibility that the recently-surfaced fast booting patent could come into play as well. If Microsoft does indeed have designs on using a remote server to push OS code to systems at boot time, that code would be a very clever place to embed activation-related programming. Even if a crack was discovered, it would be neatly undone during a subsequent start-up sequence — similar to the way Microsoft's now-idle Windows Steady State could turn back the clock an entire Widows installation after rebooting."

Who writes this crap? Companies come up with patents all the time. Doesn't mean that they're going to be implemented.
Even Chrome OS doesn't come close to booting from the cloud. And Windows has had updates to the Activation checking code in Windows updates since a long time.
  Works well for baiting Slashdotters though.

Re:Here it begins.. the FUD (1, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145480)

Seriously, most of the comments on the article already seem to indicate that Slashdotters have already fallen for the flame and link bait as if it were the truth, just like in the Windows 7 DRM article. It's almost surreal if it were not so predictable. Flamepait posts drive ad traffic from getting people worked up over nothing.

Re:Here it begins.. the FUD (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145568)

Well of course these speculations should be taken as that until MS locks down features. Those articles you link deal with panic over MS enforcing anti-piracy for third parties. However given the history of MS pushing for more anti-piracy features of the OS itself such concerns are not neccesarily FUD. My main concern with that would be the false positives. Having been inconvenienced with calling MS for them to bless my installation of Windows for no apparent reason I can say it's a concern.

Re:Here it begins.. the FUD (4, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145796)

Well of course these speculations should be taken as that until MS locks down features. Those articles you link deal with panic over MS enforcing anti-piracy for third parties. However given the history of MS pushing for more anti-piracy features of the OS itself such concerns are not neccesarily FUD. My main concern with that would be the false positives. Having been inconvenienced with calling MS for them to bless my installation of Windows for no apparent reason I can say it's a concern.

Lets take this from the article:

With the latest Windows 8 build (8064) that has been delivered to Intel, it’s clear that the company is taking strides to make sure that its upcoming OS isn’t quit so easy to pirate. For starters, the generic volume license keys that were so easily exploited during the early days of Windows 7 leaks will no longer be an option for pirates. Product keys also won’t be shipped in the prodkey.txt file included in the build packages. Instead, installers will need to retrieve a unique key from a Microsoft web page.

That was the case for Windows 7 Beta and RC releases as well,with the keys expiring in 1 year. Don't see anything new here, the article does cite any sources except a build to Intel which is obviously a preview build which always required you to get a key from Microsoft web pages to operate.

Re:Widows? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145472)

I've installed a widow before. She was a better deal than a Russian mailorder bride. And she came with a free lifetime supply of patches and bubblegum.

Re:Widows? (2)

hosecoat (877680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145740)

"Microsoft's now-idle Windows Steady State could turn back the clock an entire Windows[sic] installation after rebooting."

I've already had Windows inadvertently wipe an install after reboot.

Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (0)

danomac (1032160) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145022)

I don't use Windows much anyhow (other than games) so I guess I'll just be moving to consoles.

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145110)

Yeah. netboot from microsoft.com - what could possibly go wrong?

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145450)

Yeah. netboot from microsoft.com - what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, no kidding. With a move like that, Microsoft will instantly direct all black hat focus and activity to their netboot service. Talk about painting an even bigger target on your back.

I mean, can you imagine GOATSE'ing an entire country on bootup? What devious soul could resist that?

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145560)

yea wanna screw up a nations computing ability just fuck with it's inetrnet for a few hours say around 07:00 to 11:00 and total havoc like it

 

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145768)

Come on. Based on that premise, all black hats should be targeting Windows Update servers. WU happens automatically for most Windows users. So far, WU's held strong. There's no reason to believe that said netboot code wouldn't be similarly hardened and protected.

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145408)

There is NO chance that windows 8 will be an always on operating system. Stop being an idiot.

Re:Great, an OS that requires you to be online. (2)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145746)

or you could, you know, just stick with windows 7? It's the new xp or 98se, they're going to be supporting this thing for years and years...

Good to know (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145024)

Microsoft confirms Windows 8 to be unusable.

"push OS code to systems at boot time" (3, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145040)

Found it!

If you no longer even own your full OS and require "pushed OS code at boot time" the Cloud Scam will be complete!

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (2)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145150)

Tethering the OS to external dependencies like this, make it worth less (or maybe even worthless) as an OS to me, regardless of the reason for doing it.
And yes, linux distros are generally dependent on repositories, but you get to pick which mirror, including your own internal one.

The cloud and app store marking is hilarious. Inherently inferior mobile/touch inspired interfaces are not going to topple the desktop, because many people have real work to do.

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145276)

And yes, linux distros are generally dependent on repositories, but you get to pick which mirror, including your own internal one.

You can always just download the entire repos in one shot and have them at the ready whenever you want. All of Debian, for example, can be downloaded to something like 8 DVD's. [debian.org]

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145610)

If memory serves, Debian will still still treat optical media as "repositories", so that automatic dependency handling and installation still work normally(except for the being prompted for the CD bit); but there is, indeed, no requirement that a repository be external to a machine(you can use optical media for offline machines, and there isn't anything stopping a repository mirror server from acting is its own repository); but ripping the notion of repositories out entirely puts you pretty far from most contemporary distributions and closer to embedded territory...

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145286)

I'm fairly certain this will apply mainly to consumer versions. The corporate world won't put up with external dependencies like this for any number reasons, so I'm sure copies bought via corporate channels like volume licensing won't be crippled in this way.

Or maybe I'm wrong, in which case when our next set of upgrades happen in about two or three years, I may in fact be making a strong case for moving from Windows entirely.

A strong case for migrating from Windows (1)

wreakyhavoc (1045750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145646)

I already feel a strong case for moving from Windows. The only things that have been holding me back are closed audio hardware (Digidesign) and Netflix.

When I get a new Linux compatible audio interface I guess Netflix can go screw.

Anyone have suggestions for subscription based streaming movie services that are Linux compatible?

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (0)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145426)

The cloud and app store marking is hilarious. Inherently inferior mobile/touch inspired interfaces are not going to topple the desktop, because many people have real work to do.

Have you SEEN the Windows 8 demos? It's all swipes and pinches, it looks more like a tablet OS than a desktop. It's almost as if the touch screen is replacing the mouse the way the mouse deprecated the keyboard.

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145482)

The mouse deprecated the keyboard?
So you did not use a keyboard to type in that message?

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145502)

... the mouse deprecated the keyboard?

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145794)

I've used the Windows 8 demos, the UI you are referring to is one of several, and not the one I have active. Stop the FUD.

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145438)

I thought quick booting was the whole point of hybrid hard drives
128/256/512 MB of flash memory is more than enough to hold whatever code MS wants to push over the internet.

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145786)

Oh, it will be worth less... to start. It's going to have a monthly subscription fee.

Re:"push OS code to systems at boot time" (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145602)

Don't worry. ~80% of Windows 8 users (the other 19.9% are business users) won't be using this "feature", as TPB edition won't have it...

Hmmm... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145050)

So will Windows 8 require an internet connection just to turn on the computer?

Re:Hmmm... (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145456)

So will Windows 8 require an internet connection just to turn on the computer?

Possibly. Not to mention the DLC.

It looks like you are trying to type text. Do you want to download Notepad from the Microsoft App Store?
(Credit card, activation, MSN account and gamer ID required)

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145678)

So will Windows 8 require an internet connection just to turn on the computer?

To turn it on: no. To boot it up: yes.

In Soviet Russia.... (1)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145074)

In Soviet Russia, cloud does not destroy piracy, but instead destroys YOU (the desktop OS).

If we have cloud, tablets, and HTML 5 life is good :)

always seemed weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145078)

It always struck as a bit odd how desperately Microsoft attempts to stop people from pirating Windows, especially as other OS options become feasible for people who are suddenly forced to consider paying for an OS for the first time in their lives, and PC builders have started offering computers without Windows pre-installed.

Seems like preserving the massive OS monopoly would be more important to them than stopping piracy that won't result in a large sales boost.

Re:always seemed weird (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145504)

Because Windows is the promise to OEMs that they will get a sale. Pirate copies take away HARDWARE SALES from the OEMs like Dell Microsoft has bullied for decades. Microsoft views all PC parts sold not for repair as potential Pirate platforms. They can't stop WHITEBOX because 25% of the windows copies sold are from small vendors... That Microsoft gets triple profits from too. If Microsoft broke the whitebox market they'd be an instant monopoly actor because the rest of the market is only 10 other players. (including Apple)

Re:always seemed weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145644)

Really? I've always thought the opposite; they want to appear to be fighting pirates, but I don't think they try all that hard, given the resources at their disposal. I think Microsoft knows that piracy of Windows probably isn't costing them very much in the long view, so diverting too much effort to fighting it would be a loss, but the shareholders expect them to at least try... and truthfully they probably do generate some sales by making piracy slightly less attractive.

It's not like they could really stop it without making the OS much less attractive to regular users; the video game industry has been demonstrating this for anyone who cares to listen for a decade now.

Gawd (5, Interesting)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145084)

I really hate the direction software and computers are heading.

I'm not that old.. but it just seems like every new thing makes me cringe. Maybe it's for the best and this is the way people want it, and maybe I'm just too attached to the way things are now (or I guess the way things were) to adapt to all this new thinking, but dammit if I don't feel something I'm passionate about is slipping away.

Maybe I should just go plant trees for a living or something :(

Re:Gawd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145252)

I really hate the direction software and computers are heading.

I'm not that old.. but it just seems like every new thing makes me cringe. Maybe it's for the best and this is the way people want it, and maybe I'm just too attached to the way things are now (or I guess the way things were) to adapt to all this new thinking, but dammit if I don't feel something I'm passionate about is slipping away.

Maybe I should just go plant trees for a living or something :(

Don't give up. You're certainly not the only one who feels this way.

Saying "I don't like the way this industry is headed" is the first step.

Figuring out the next step in the right direction is the second step.

Finding a marketing gal (or guy) who can communicate your feelings about the wrong direction and the value in the right direction to a larger market is the third step.

After that, it's not that hard to be the next Google.

Re:Gawd (0)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145474)

Figuring out the next step in the right direction is the second step.

This is largely the problem, because I acknowledge that while I doing think everything that’s happening now is a good idea, a lot of it really does make sense. The ideas of cloud computing makes my shutter, but from a business standpoint I can see where it’s a good idea.

If your into cars, it’s like longing for the days when you could get in there and change a spark plug without a computer (hyperbole! calm down car guys!) while acknowledging that today’s cars are significantly more reliable.

The way I enjoy(ed) working with computers is making less and less sense in light of modern approaches, and the new way (which I don’t enjoy) is making more sense.

Re:Gawd (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145336)

Have you considered this [ubuntu.com] ?

Re:Gawd (1)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145444)

Have you considered linking to the parent page and not the actual TORRENT file?

Re:Gawd (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145638)

Why not just cut to the chase? Had I linked ubuntu.com [ubuntu.com] , somebody would have bitched about that. Had I linked to the direct download [ubuntu.com] somebody would have bitched about server load. So I linked to the official torrent and somebody bitches.

::facepalm::

Re:Gawd (2)

Anrego (830717) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145498)

I'll stick with my gentoo thank you very much ;p

This was more of a general "direction of the industry" statement than a "oh god, I'm gonna hate the next windows" statement.

Re:Gawd (4, Insightful)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145774)

I consider Ubuntu to be an example of the problem.

+1 (2)

NoSleepDemon (1521253) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145410)

I feel the same way as you. I personally took up jogging to get away from all the retarded shit going on in the IT world, and although footwear manufacturers over the world are hellbent on selling me THEIR perfect running product, at least with Americans being by and large as lazy as they are, the ads aren't continuously shoved in my face. I can't even get away from reality with gaming anymore, because people's strange ideas of progress and innovation (social this, social that, always online) have crippled that as well. It seems that, the public at large, couldn't care less about something as long as it's really easy to use and gives them instant gratification. It's truly a shame when your hobby, job or passion gets focus fired by the general public, and suddenly every joe shmoe has an idea of how to improve it. I walked passed an HMV today with big signs up proclaiming "EPIC SALE!", I imagined walking in there with a chaingun.

Re:Gawd (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145688)

I'm a Gen-Y'er and I feel the same way. Seems like everything's been going backwards since the mid/late 2000s. Computers are turning into toys for passive media consumption.

Re:Gawd (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145698)

I really hate the direction software and computers are heading.

Are you part of the problem? You can stop it you know. Simply kick in the nuts every pirate you find and scold them, "no!" Then repeat until blood comes out their mouth.

People always seem to be pro-pirate but refuse to come to terms that this type of draconian bullshit is directly driven by their pro-piracy position.

If you support piracy, then you absolutely support these draconian counter measures.

Webcams (1)

wsxyz (543068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145086)

Insider sources are also claiming that PCs booting Windows 8 will snap a picture with the webcam and send it to Microsoft as part of the boot sequence.

Re:Webcams (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145272)

Windows 8 will snap a picture with the webcam and send it to Microsoft as part of the boot sequence.

So now if you are not sitting in front of your computer it will put up a message saying something like:
No face defected. Smile for the camera to continue.

Just to add to the trauma of a horrible disfiguring injury now you will have to buy a new windows license if your face is disfigured.

For the sense of humour impaired: I am just having fun with paranoia.

Re:Webcams (1)

Captain Sarcastic (109765) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145470)

For the sense of humour impaired: I am just having fun with paranoia.

Or maybe you were told to say that... :)

Re:Webcams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145616)

I love webcam required boots as it serves to spread pictures of my Cheetos stained junk to more and more places. Fear me.

Re:Webcams (0)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145720)

Just to add to the trauma of a horrible disfiguring injury now you will have to buy a new windows license if your face is disfigured.

Hey when you have to buy a new windows license after a mobo failure, there are only a few ways left to "improve" the Windows user experience.

Re:Webcams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145584)

Clippy says: You appear to be hot. Please stand up and turn around in order to continue...

Re:Webcams (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145766)

I knew that Barney Dinosaur costume was going to come in handy one day.

Obvious question (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145120)

How is that going to work with systems that are not connected to the Internet? Like almost all of the systems I use at work and any secure system.

Re:Obvious question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145268)

So now I will need my computer working to let my computer connect to my router to leave my computer working to let my computer connect to my router to leave my computer working to let my computer connect to my router to leave my computer working...

Thanks Microsoft

To the roots (3, Insightful)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145128)

Microsoft needs to go back to their roots and remember that their success in the PC market these days can largely (but of course, not entirely) be attributed to the fact that many younger people pirated their OS and used it a lot.

This is why they should just let piracy go, especially for the OS and Visual Studio, that way when people enter the workforce, they already are accustomed to these things. This is why RIM should be so disturbed that many younger people don't use BlackBerry's anymore; when those younger people enter the workforce, they're going to scream and yell to get their iPhone's and Android's connected to the exchange server.

It has always been this way, and Microsoft would be stupid to forget it.

That said, there's the China piracy problem, which is outside of above.. maybe this is targeting that..

Very True (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145446)

Even if I were totally ambivalent about running OS X vs. Windows, I'd still prefer OS X simply because I don't have any activation nightmares.

It has led to me to use Crossover on the Mac (WINE variant) over running Windows in a VM for any Windows app I need to tun as well... basically I've had enough pain in my life from activation and want no more of it.

Re:To the roots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145484)

Wow. Only on Slashdot can a jackass like this advocating piracy be modded up. What do you do for a living asshole, so I can come and steal, oh excuse me, "infringe", the fruits of your labor? You fucking crooks deserve to be curb-stomped.

Re:To the roots (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145600)

Calm down, Steve Balmer. Put down that chair.

Oh, and in my last job I spent about ten years writing software that was given away for free; you couldn't run our hardware without it, and that was where we made our money.

Re:To the roots (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145666)

Hey. Whatever does the job. Of course neither you nor I have any standing in this matter. So the fact that you are b*tching about this is totally bogus. It's up to Microsoft to decide if tolerating piracy is good for their bottom line. It simply isn't up to you.

You can argue about whether or not it makes good business sense.

Whether or not it is "right" is not up to you.

Re:To the roots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145800)

"This is why RIM should be so disturbed that many younger people don't use BlackBerry's anymore;"

Except in the UK at least, BlackBerry is very popular amongst the young for it's BBM service. It's got lots of media coverage recently relating to people using it to communicate during the riots.

DRM within OS (1)

saurongt (1639029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145132)

So how long before we get something like Steam going with Operating systems? Type in your uid and password, and instantly get your operating system with all customizations from any computer. Best part: it goes on sale for $10 twice a year.

Are you serious? (1)

jaskelling (1927116) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145136)

"on using a remote server to push OS code to systems at boot time," 1) Not everyone is always connected to the internet. A good number of machines are not. 2) While it may be used to assist in piracy prevention, how long until someone figures out how to spoof that server and serve malicious code to the OS at boot time. Because ya know, that's better than having some pirated software out there. 3) It will be cracked sooner or later. They've tried this with Office 2010 to an extent and Adobe with CS 5.5. They've both been cracked. It's a stupid game of cat and mouse. There will always be piracy and theft. How about everyone spends some of that money on actually improving the product & making the experience of the paying users suck less as opposed to being a momentary irritation to a pirate?

Re:Are you serious? (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145730)

A momentary irritation to a pirate and a massive headache for non-pirates. It's how software business is run nowadays: make your product less usable than the pirated version in order to stop piracy. Only a CEO could think of something that brilliant! Looks like someone will be getting a nice end-of-year bonus for an "innovative solution."

Windows 8 is mobile-only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145188)

If any of this is even remotely true you'll never see it deployed in corporate networks. They'd be laughed out of the office.

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

SmurfButcher Bob (313810) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145312)

For sure. The only way this'd see any enterprise penetration would be with a local license server - you know, like the one we got rid of when NT4 went out of vogue.

If not, all I can say is... FFS, hasn't anyone learned from the Sonicwall stupidity?

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145396)

We already have that, it's called KMS and it's fairly painless once you set it up. For those machines that will never talk back to the mothership you have MAK keys, which are indeed a liability but since they have to be activated and have a limited number of uses I think most IT departments are much better about protecting them than they were VLK's. To be honest I don't see MS changing things too drastically from the KMS system as any further tightening would be unlikely to raise revenue appreciably and might drive enterprise users to Linux.

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145598)

MS should really give a free license for the KMS server. Why should I have to pay for a license for a box to validate licenses?

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145738)

Most of the customers using KMS are big enough to be using datacenter licenses and virtualization so the marginal cost is insignificant (my reading the docs and doing the install probably cost my employer more than the 1GB VM did).

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145508)

Already do this with KMS and MAK keys. KMS keys talk to a local license server. I think these articles are just written in a way to scare people and sell ad impressions. In the end, we're probably just seeing a different kind of volume key for corporate and maybe more hoops for residential users. "ZOMG DOWNLOAD AN IMAGE EVERY BOOT FROM MS" is kiddie bullshit.

Re:Windows 8 is mobile-only (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145660)

Why? Most Admins would LOVE the chance for machines to be forced to phone home more often. Microsoft will add a "keep alive" function to Enterprise copies for sure. It would Still get keyed every time a user hit the AD which is at least daily in the enterprise world. Users would never know unless the went on long vacations with their machines away from work.

patent this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145208)

game...

fudging..

over.

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145210)

How long until this scans your computer for pirated software or mp3's before allowing it to boot?

Stick with the old (1)

SpinningCone (1278698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145296)

Guess ill just be staying with windows 7

Re:Stick with the old (1)

ifrag (984323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145522)

Yep, hopefully 7 will be the new XP, and get around a decade of use with an extended update cycle.

As long as there isn't some stupid thing like DirectX 12 as Windows 8 exclusive. Then again, most developers are still shipping DX9 engines with the extra features as options that don't really add much.

Re:Stick with the old (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145802)

As long as there isn't some stupid thing like DirectX 12 as Windows 8 exclusive.

You bet your ass there will be, this is exactly what they did with Halo 3 for the PC.

But hopefully someone will come out with a crack to install DX12 on 7, just like last time.

meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145300)

Tired of this cloud crap. Not everyone has access to fiber-op internet.

Simple solution to this.. Don't use windows 8 heh. I don't care much for this app crap anyway. Windows 8 app store? So you want me to buy the OS for a large sum of money, and then spend even more money in your app store to flesh out what you'll make sure is a minimalist OS?

Sneaky sneaky. Maybe I should put on a tin-foil hat but don't buy it, and I won't.

Besides, nothing's uncrackable :/ The more you say it is, the more people are going to try, and for something as big as an OS, you can damn well bet people are going to try.

do a lot of people really pirate Windows? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145326)

i mean most computers are bought at retail with real licenses. how many people really pirate windows compared to microsoft's cost to implement this?

or did the ipad and just cheap fast hardware really stretch the upgrade cycle so MS is hoping to cash in on an OS upgrade and needs to a way to protect themselves?

Re:do a lot of people really pirate Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145704)

Its not that but if you bought it but when you change something on your computer for instance when the motherboard dies or you upgrade it then the fun starts, you do not own the os ... your hiring it for one pc (thats the problem) If i could buy windows and it stays my own even if i replace some hardware i would not have a problem with microsoft but any change and your bought windows suddenly becomes illegal thats what i hate.
Especially for me a hardware overclocker and tweaker which am allways changing to faster platforms, is the current idiot license system a absolute pain in the ass since it happens that hardware dies because i went a bit too far in my quest for more speed

1) scan network requests at boot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145352)

2) pick out the data
3) do this several times just to see if it is time-based
4) fiddle around with some stuff, reverse engineer the requests and server
5) ????
6) MS buttfrustration increases significantly until a full binary crack is done, at which point they go supernova and consume us all in a fiery explosion of madness.

I'll be catching the next rocket to Alpha Centauri so I can sit and watch with some popcorn.

Re:1) scan network requests at boot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145528)

"buttfrustration" is my new favorite word. Posting AC due to extreme cowardice.

Constant internet connection? (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145440)

Does this mean we'll need to be constantly connected to the internet to keep using Windows?
Yuck? Haiku OS seems more and more tempting each day...

Isn't this the most dangerous idea possible (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145478)

Didn't Microsoft once say something along the lines of, it is better to have someone pirate the OS, then to lose them to linux or other competitors?, Stacked with the rapid growth of cloud applications and the age of everything being done in the browser. I am seeing less and less reason to care what OS your system is running. For anything other then some PC games, is there really any motivation to fork over $200 for a windows license?

Re:Isn't this the most dangerous idea possible (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145734)

I don't think Microsoft is losing many people to Linux. Their biggest competitors are first themselves, and second Apple.

Windows 8? (1)

tycoex (1832784) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145494)

Does anyone even care about Windows 8?

Windows 7 seems like a very solid OS. While I understand the reasons to upgrade from XP (DX11, old security) and from Vista (vista sucked) has Microsoft shown anything at all that would make someone want to upgrade from Windows 7? Many people still haven't made the jump from XP to 7 yet.

I will be perfectly happy with Windows 7 for at least another year or two. There's nothing that Windows 8 could give me that I need. Maybe when DX12 comes out?

Re:Windows 8? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145652)

Maybe when DX12 comes out?

Surely you mean 'when DX12 games come out'? Which will be about five years after 50% of new PCs have DX12; even today most games seem to be DX9 possibly with a DX10 renderer option, which is primarily because Microsoft refused to port DX10 to XP.

Re:Windows 8? (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145756)

It's funny how you hear the same comments ever 3 years or so when MS releases a new OS.

Re:Windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145764)

What about Windows file search capability? The search functionality is so elementary and buggy that it's almost completely worthless. Something tells me this will not be fixed or improved in Windows8.

As a Linux user... (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145576)

I'm OK with this.

The sooner the theft of Microsoft products ends the better. Turn all the knobs to 11, Mr. Ballmer. The sound of gnashing teeth will be as sweet as Beethoven's Pastoral symphony.

--
BMO

Corporate Intranets (1)

warrior389 (314070) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145614)

That sounds great for corporate intranets. More security features that make it hard for paying people to get their work done.

my idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37145672)

I'm anon and not using windows 8, well that was totally my idea.

Wow! (1)

drgould (24404) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145682)

It's like Microsoft wants 2012 to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Take a lesson from Mac OS X (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145776)

Apple dropped the price of OS updates from $129.99 to $29.99. Piracy for OS updates dropped significantly and they actually make more money at the lower price point. Plus since more machines are running the latest version of the OS, they have less problems with old OS issues.

Re:Take a lesson from Mac OS X (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37145798)

To be honest, if Windows was $29.99 instead of closer to $200, they probably wouldn't even need DRM and they'd still have very little piracy.
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