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Dear Apple (5, Informative)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150390)

It is a flat screen with icons. No, you didn't think it up first. Now sit back down.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150430)

Here's a nice little GPS unit from 2007 [gpsmagazine.com] that is rectangular, with rounded edges, and no buttons. It even plays video games. That was just the first thing I found surfing around a PDA site. There's other older PDAs that look iPadish but have a button or two. It's really not a big leap once you've got touch screens that can read from fingers instead of styluses/finger nails to go to simply having all (or nearly all) the buttons on the screen.

Re:Dear Apple (-1, Troll)

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WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (1, Informative)

kdawson (3715) (1344097) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150488)

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Re:WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (4, Funny)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150568)

thanks for the info kdawson. didnt know what a virus was until now. your the best.

Re:WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150612)

Yes, his the best.

Re:WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150610)

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Re:WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150808)

Troll that was nasty.

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Re:WARNING! VIRUS LINK! (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150962)

I think you have some gaping security holes there...

Re:Dear Apple (2, Interesting)

jo42 (227475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150468)

It is a flat screen with icons. No, you didn't think it up first.

But they where the first to do it in such a way that they're making massively huge butt loads of money.

So everyone else copies them in an attempt to cash in on their success.

Welcome to capitalism. And lawyers and all the other nonsense that comes with it...

Dear Slashdot... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150518)

Either Slashdot moderators need more discretion, more power, better judgment or a new icon & category for Slash-Drivel.

There must be more compelling and important news for nerds, or nerds aren't what they used to be.

Re:Dear Apple (4, Funny)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150526)

That's right. My Windows 95 desktop was full of icons well before the iPhone arrived.

Re:Dear Apple (2, Informative)

not_surt (1293182) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150572)

But your Windows 95 desktop wasn't mobile. Transferring those icons to a mobile device required all the inventive genius of Apple to achieve. :P

Re:Dear Apple (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150618)

Well my n800 and gp2x had screens full of icons before the iphone was released, hell palms did way back in the day. If they're not talking about the icons, well, it just looks like every single phone out there without a dialing pad.

Does anybody have any links to what Apple is really claiming because these articles are totally vague as to what exactly apple is claiming.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150948)

This. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPS1DMlzz0M

Re:Dear Apple (4, Funny)

aevan (903814) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150822)

My desk had wheels. With the UPS I had a good 5 minutes of mobile!!

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150878)

Heh, except for those pentium 75 palmtops.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150952)

Windows for Pen Computing 2.0 was a variant of Windows 95 intended for tablet computers.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151002)

Really? my sony ericsson UIQ p800 in 2002 had grid-based icon desktop too.
I mainly used my fingernail to operate the phone, though it's supposed to be pen-based ( it has resistive touch screen )

so now patents and copyrights are all about who popularizes some existing technologies and interfaces, instead of who invents them?

Re:Dear Apple (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151024)

Oh please. Original Mac OS (not X) and Windows versions were full of icons too.

Re:Dear Apple (4, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150596)

It is a flat screen with icons. No, you didn't think it up first. Now sit back down.

This is the successor to their last slogan "Think different". It's called "See different". It will be followed by "Hear different", "Touch Different" and "Taste Different". They were going to do "Smell Different" but RMS already has a patent on that.

Re:Dear Apple (5, Funny)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150606)

No RMS didn't patent smell different, he licensed it under GPL so that all hard core OS enthusiasts can use it.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150702)

"Touch different" is done [pocket-lint.com]

Re:Dear Apple (1)

ChrisMP1 (1130781) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150780)

I know we've gotten thousands of "RMS smells" jokes here before, but (and it might have to do with me being extremely tired) I laughed. Thank you.

Re:Dear Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150732)

Wonder who did then. And who was the first to commercialize it?

Re:Dear Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150818)

Re:Dear Apple (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150988)

I guess he should have said, "And who was the first to SUCCESSFULLY commercialize it?" I loved the Star system, but it was not exactly a raging success.

Re:Dear Apple (5, Funny)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150884)

For some reason... I think it would be more funny if Apple tried to photoshop evidence in a suit against Adobe.

You know what i'm saying? Using their own product against them <EG>

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Re:Clean Clean Clean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150704)

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the two pictures were to show features, not size (2, Informative)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150406)

They were two separate pictures (the other site photoshopped them together and indicates they did so).

If I go to a site showing automobiles, is the picture of the Fiat 500 barely visible because a picture of a Toyota Sequoia is on the same page and they have to be to scale?

Come on, stop reaching here.

The pictures were to show the devices are substantially similar, not to show scale.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150426)

But you're not trying to prove that the sequoia copied the fiat. This is the equivalent of fiat making their small, cheap car look as spacious as the largest toyota in an add. Except, there it'd be false advertising, here, its falsifying evidence.

if the Fiat were a smaller dupe of the Sequoia (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150760)

Then yes, Toyota would have a case. The relative size doesn't matter really. If it's similar, it's similar.

If the pics were shown to make a point of the interior space, then it would be misleading. If it were to show similarity of design, it wouldn't be misleading.

In this case, the pics were to show similarity of design, not size.

Re:if the Fiat were a smaller dupe of the Sequoia (5, Informative)

mysidia (191772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150914)

Then yes, Toyota would have a case. The relative size doesn't matter really. If it's similar, it's similar.

When we are talking about design patents [wikipedia.org] , yes, Scale does matter.

In addition, if it can be shown that the design has certain utility, the patent of the design is invalid. Design patents can be invalidated if the design has practical utility (e.g. the shape of a gear).

no size doesn't matter (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151026)

If it looks similar in ornamentation and provides the same functionality, it is in conflict.

It'd be difficult to argue the devices don't provide the same functionality based upon a 10% size difference.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2, Informative)

dave420 (699308) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150432)

It's not just about scale - that, as you say, is forgiveable - it's about aspect ratio. They made the Samsungs look more like the Apples by squashing their dimensions differently, changing their shape in the process. That isn't exactly cool, as I'm sure you would agree.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150594)

It's not just about scale - that, as you say, is forgiveable - it's about aspect ratio. They made the Samsungs look more like the Apples by squashing their dimensions differently, changing their shape in the process. That isn't exactly cool, as I'm sure you would agree.

That was true in the German case but not in this (the Netherlands) one, Apect ratio was not noticably affected. That said, I disagree that you can honestly show how similar two items are by removing elements that are different (in this case the size).

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (0, Troll)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150744)

Tablets, before and after [osxdaily.com]

That isn't exactly cool, as I'm sure you would agree.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150836)

Even in that pics they have all the tablets after the iPad in portrait position which is misleading. I mean look at most cellphones. for the most part they all look very similar. Having rounded edges and the screen taking up most of the face of the device shouldn't be able to pass as IP some things are going to be a natural advance with withever gadget you might be talking about.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151004)

Look at 5 different 4 door economy sedans from a distance. How about 5 different luxery sedans? 5 Different pickups?

That covers the car analogy angle as well. :)

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (5, Interesting)

tibman (623933) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150876)

That picture is selective. Not all tablets looked like that pre-ipad. For example, take a look at my old visionplate: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/tibman/VisionPlate/DSCN0921.jpg [photobucket.com]

Looks almost exactly like an Ipad.. except it predates the ipad by many years.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150916)

Wow. I enjoyed your link.
I never accepted tablets that imitating Star Trek technology had to look so awfully different. Just look at all the handles and purposeless bumps on the frame, plus all the wasted space and buttons.

But then I look at the Windows logo on the top tablets. It's evidence that those were kludges meant to run a full-featured Windows OS, assigning a stylus to do nearly all input (and the more alien handles and margin buttons as another kludge to fix the limitations of the stylus-only push). The hidden, rotating keyboards also made them bulky, heavy and probably justified the $2000 pricetags that came with them prior to the advent of modern iPhone/Google-based smartphones with touchscreens

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150786)

+4 Misinformative?

From TFA for those that can't be bothered to read:

But the picture of purported Galaxy S has been resized about 6%, making the Galaxy S appear smaller and more similar to Apple's phone. The height of the purported Galaxy S that Apple displays matches the iPhone exactly. The aspect ratio has not been measurably altered.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2)

ProzacPatient (915544) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150910)

I tried to tell her it's not about scale but aspect ratio but she said it just doesn't feel the same :(

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150926)

They did that for the Tab (in just one image out of hundreds of pages?). They didn't do it for the Galaxy S, which is what this story is about and which is what the person you're responding to was talking about.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (4, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150434)

If you're claiming that two items are nearly identical and then to do so you show a picture of them the same size when they are significantly different sizes. then yes it is a problem.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (1)

itzdandy (183397) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150446)

the flaw in your argument here is that apple's images had icons that were the correct aspect ratio but the shape was wrong. if the image was just squashed, the icons would be squashed as well.

you are talking about the wrong picture (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150542)

This article is about the resized (keeping aspect ratio correct) Galaxy S versus iPhone.

And yes, the icons in the Galaxy Tab pic were squashed. Look at the clock icon in the Galaxy Tab picture. It's supposed to be circular, it is not.

Re:you are talking about the wrong picture (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150634)

Except that picture wasn't submitted by apple, it was made by the site to illustrate what the think apple may have submitted. What we really need is an actual copy of exactly what apple is claiming and what photos they submitted, are they claiming icons? phone shaped? Similar because it can make phone calls?

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (1)

qxcv (2422318) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150578)

Give Apple some credit, I'd say that if their lawyers doctored evidence then they would have at least put some effort into making it look genuine. The Galaxy S II has a display ratio of 3:5, while the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 have a ratio of 2:3. Apple's evidence certainly doesn't seem to back up the real data.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150448)

when one is accusing the other of copycatting then yes it should be realistically represented, the scaled image does make samsung look nearly identical in shape and size, which IS a major selling point on the iphone. In the real world there is a noticeable difference.

reaching would be apple thinking they invented glossy round web2.0 icons, and how dare anyone arrange them on a grid!

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150486)

It's psychological. Cover up the real image and look at the two, and then cover up the altered one and look at the two. You'll notice that the phones look significantly more similar in all aspects when comparing with the altered one.

What I like is how the angled side view touches the bottom red line despite not being straight up. The iPhone has the proper space below the red line. Physics be damned.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (2)

cpotoso (606303) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150536)

In add... lying (photoshopped image) is OK. In a lawsuit.... I do not think so. Apple should get their asses whacked.

Re:the two pictures were to show features, not siz (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150812)

If I go to a site showing automobiles, is the picture of the Fiat 500 barely visible because a picture of a Toyota Sequoia is on the same page and they have to be to scale?

It's interesting you bring up cars, because there's plenty of cases in the trade where size matters. For example, the check-chart (I forget if it has a funny spelling) book that has all the engine silhouettes has them all to scale. And more to the point, frame drawings are shown with a 1:1 aspect ratio, because nothing else makes sense...

The worms in Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150418)

...are lawyers.

Re:The worms in Apple... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150802)

Thankfully, because of Steve Jobs, the worms are 3mm thinner than typical worms.

That's also not the default home screen (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150422)

They also rearranged the Galaxy S's home screen so that it'd look more like the iPhone. Apple, I mean, not Samsung.

Go ahead, take a look at the real thing [samsung.com] . That looks nothing like an iPhone.

For one thing, it supports widgets, which the iPhone doesn't. (Apparently the idea that people might want to get weather information on their phone still evades Apple.)

Another good hint is the home button on the screen Apple's using, which probably doesn't appear on the home screen.

Re:That's also not the default home screen (1)

Liam Pomfret (1737150) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150522)

You're right. It's not the home screen at all, it's the applications list screen in grid mode. On the home screen, there's a button to the application list where the home button appears in that picture.

Re:That's also not the default home screen (5, Informative)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150694)

I did the lighting for a number of the TV commercials for the Galaxy S. The apple screen shots are pretty close to the 'official' home screen layout approved by T-Mobile and Samsung.

e.g. http://galaxy-s.t-mobile.com/ [t-mobile.com]

I think the lawsuit is stupid but Apple didn't really game the homescreen in any way. That's an approved Samsung screenshot.

History repeating itself (3, Interesting)

rve (4436) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150894)

The lawsuits aren't stupid, they're a (imo) desperate attempt to keep history from repeating itself.

In the 1980's, Apple seemed to have it all, only to have their flagship gadget elbowed into a niche as soon as the windows PC was capable of doing pretty much the same things, but at a more affordable price, and offering a more open platform both for software development and hardware vendors. At the time, Apple sued Microsoft for stealing their 'look and feel', but lost. It turns out, you can't patent or copyright a 'look and feel'. (Unless the competition starts using an apple for a logo, or simply copying the hardware and software. This is common enough, in China you can buy devices that are basically iPhones, presumably made in the same factory, except for the Apple logo. You get those separately in the form of stickers you can apply yourself if you want).

Even though Apple's claim is obviously true: Samsung obviously made these gadgets deliberately similar to the corresponding Apple product in order to compete in the same high margin market segment, I doubt a new series of 'look and feel' lawsuits is going to be more successful.

Right now, the prices are similar, but soon enough the Android devices will start to become cheaper. I will not be surprised if 15 or 20 years from now, Apple will be a fancy niche player, falling further and further behind their Asian competitors and their Google OS. Larry Page taking the place of Bill Gates as the most hated evil business man on the internet.

Re:That's also not the default home screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150904)

But it's not the home screen - that's the App drawer.

Re:That's also not the default home screen (3, Informative)

tokul (682258) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150950)

That's an approved Samsung screenshot.

Apple should sue T-Mobile. It is not approved Samsung screenshot. It is approved screenshot of hardware sold by T-Mobile.

Re:That's also not the default home screen (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150936)

Just thought I'd mention that weather on the lock screen is probably coming in iOS in a few months, since it's adding that sort of thing for apps.

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The judges get to see *actual* devices... (4, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150458)

When the judge made his decision, he had a powered-up iPad and a powered-up Galaxy tab in front of him, so he could see for himself whether they were similar - at least according to the BBC. If he thinks Samsung is in the wrong after playing with a physical working device, what does it matter if one image shows the aspect ratio incorrectly ? (all of the other images in the brief clearly showed the different aspect ratios).

Oh, it makes good link-bait ? You don't say!

Simon.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (2, Insightful)

siddesu (698447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150506)

Confirmation bias [wikimedia.org] .

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (-1, Flamebait)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150582)

Are you seriously suggesting that a *judge* would be swayed like this ? Someone whose professional career and reputation is predicated around, you know, *judging* things on a legal basis. You are seriously expecting people to believe the judge can't tell the devices he's *holding* are different aspect ratios ?

I mean, if the difference is so major that it rates several stories on several websites over an extended period, surely someone can actually *tell* they're different, right ?

Because, if even a *judge* can't immediately, obviously, tell that they're different, it seems to me that Apple has a case...

Simon.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (4, Insightful)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150636)

Being a judge doesn't magically make a person immune to subconscious bias.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150934)

Nope, just like being a programmer doesn't mean you can add 2+2. It's pretty likely, though. [resists temptation to except Visual Basic programmers. Oh darn.]

Come on! The guy (woman, whatever...) spends his entire life meticulously examining statements for factual and legal accuracy. (S)he's the ninja of subtle-but-important-technicalities, and you're seriously trying to say he can't tell the difference between the two ? It's blatantly obvious they're different in *all-but-one* of the photos in the submitted document - they're even presented in perspective view to make it damn obvious, and the correct dimensions are printed in the discussion of the illustration we're talking about!

As for "subconscious bias", I think you'll find the mind places a lot more weight on what the body has physically held, played with, worked on, used etc. than some photo of same. Abstract mental models are all very well, but a physical thing resonates much stronger with our "feel" for something.

Simon.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150650)

Bias is not always intentional...

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150662)

No, if a judge can't tell they're different, then that judge is either drunk or in a coma. Or he didn't bother to check (you'd be amazed at the ability of judges and politicians to churn out opinions about things they never saw). The two tablets have different aspect ratios, different icons, different ports, etc.. They're more different than a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop.

Sorry, fanboy, but Apple didn't invent the rectangle (or the touch screen, or any other component of the iSanitarytowel). They did invent plenty of lock-in "features", but Android doesn't "support" those.

BTW, the european ban has been lifted (not that anyone noticed it, Samsung tablets were never removed from stores).

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150938)

you'd be amazed at the ability of judges and politicians to churn out opinions about things they never saw

Really ? Churning out opinions you say ? Amazing...

Simon

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150676)

And do you seriously think a person is exempted by a widely recognized psychological phenomenon solely because of his job? I am not sure what kind of procedure is being used to present the judge with the two tablets side by side, but I am almost sure that when he was making and articulating his decision in writing, he was referencing the documents and did not have two devices in front of him. That leaves ample space for subtle influence mechanisms, and I bet the Apple lawyers in Germany know more about manipulation than you'd credit them for. After all, that is why they bill Apple while you spew crap on Slashdot.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150958)

I'm not a lawyer for a multinational company. My wife is, though. Contrary to popular opinion, lawyers don't all have to take "Evil 101", followed by "Mental manipulation for graduates 101"...

As for the judge not having the device available. If the judge sees fit to want the devices around while (s)he renders judgement, that device is going to be there. Ain't no lawyer going to argue that with the judge. Not a chance in hell. Of course, if the judge has already figured out (by, you know, picking them up and inspecting & using them), (s)he may not *need* to have the devices while rendering the judgement. In any event, it's up to the judge. Lawyers don't get to snatch the evidence back from the judge after a given time-period...

Simon.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151032)

If the judge sees fit to want the devices around while (s)he renders judgement

And what if they don't, and instead opt for the documents in the deposition, as has happened in this case?

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150788)

First, you're assuming the judge will have the two devices at hand all the time. Maybe back in his chambers, weeks after he held the devices, he's looking at the piece of paper.

Re:The judges get to see *actual* devices... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150660)

I don't see the problem really. I have no idea what the two Samsung devices look like (I've owned a G1, N1, DX) but if hardware design patents are valid (IMO they shouldn't be) and if patent law includes terms like substantial similarity [wikipedia.org] , which do exist under copyright law currently, then I don't see the harm in photoshopping an image for illustration purposes. If something can be made to look identical by adjusting the scale and aspect ratio then that's not much of a difference at all.

Before someone shrewdly accuses me of being an Apple fanboy (like Bonch, node 3, and SuperKendall) note that I'm generally on Google's side. For reference, I recently made these, um, "pro-Google" (pro-truth?) posts:
- http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2388592&cid=37150324 [slashdot.org]
- http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2388592&cid=37150412 [slashdot.org]
- http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2388592&cid=37150442 [slashdot.org]

I might deserve to be called an idiot however ;).

Sueing others for being copycats... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150460)

So they are saying they've "innovated" the mobile device sector for inventing handhelds with rounded corners and big screens. Well, how does that hold up to their first iPhone looking strikingly similar [engadget.com] to Nokia's MID (at that time already being their third generation handheld none the less!)?

Apple is not that innovative, they just have better marketing - which they now can leverage for sueing their competition (I'm sure every judge has heard of the iPhone, I doubt the same is true for Nokia's Maemo devices)

Re:Sueing others for being copycats... (2)

Phleg (523632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150724)

Right. The most significant difference between the Nokia MID and the iPhone is just marketing. And people think the Apple kool-aid is potent.

Re:Sueing others for being copycats... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151008)

And don't forget Qtek's PDAs, which were able to do everything the iPhone did (and more) three or four years before.

Apple hasn't had an original idea since Wozniak left (unless you count "colouring your computer like a shampoo bottle and making some bits of your monitor transparent so you can see the complete absence of any moving parts").

My captcha says it all: "frauds"

size matters (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150466)

apparently Apple or Samsung has patented the form factor. Why else would this be worth reading or commenting upon?

Re:size matters (1)

Liam Pomfret (1737150) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150544)

It's not a parent on the form, though they are saying it's their intellectual property. Specifically, they're asserting it's trade dress, that consumers use that specific form factor to identify their product in the market. It's true that they might have acquired the "secondary meaning" in the market for that form factor, but given that they were hardly the first to release a product in that form factor I think it's ridiculous that they should be able to claim trade dress for it.

Newsflash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150538)

Apple is a scumbag company who will (try to) roll right over any customers or companies they have a problem with.

Oh wait. that's not news. It just never really worked for them until they got big.

And NOW i'm supposed to care? lol...

The apps screen is a blatant ripoff (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150602)

Samsung went to some lengths to make the grid view look more like iOS. But really, it's a grid of rounded icons. Big. Freaking. Deal.

HEY APPLE, some users might appreciate it if you started ripping off some Android design elements. Like widgets. But hey glad to see you've at least gotten around to copying the notification area, complete with the whole swipe gesture and all.

Re:The apps screen is a blatant ripoff (2)

arose (644256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150880)

Samsung went to some lengths to make the grid view look more like iOS.

Adding a background to icons is great lengths?

Copied or not, the patent system is fucked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150608)

So you (Apple) found a convenient technology called touch screen?
Sucks you didn't invent it first, then you could patent it and tell other companies "Be creative, think of another, convenient way to replace buttons."
It does suck...but I guess you're also lucky the people who did invent it didn't patent it.
They probably said to themselves, "I can't patent this, that would be like patenting the shape of a cup."
Stupid them, because you know, that if you thought of the cup first, you would have patented that right away and told other companies to "be creative" and think of another, more convenient way to hold liquids for drinking.

We understand how you feel Apple, these evil Samsung guys, they stole your idea!
How dare them make a phone that is NOT the same shape as yours!?
How dare them get rid of all buttons except for maybe 2 or 3 that are conveniently placed where the thumb and index fingers of the person who's holding it are located!?
YOU PATENTED CONVENIENCE, HOW DARE THEM TAKE YOUR IDEA!
YOU MUST ACT NOW, SUE THEM APPLE, SUE THEM!
OR ELSE OTHER COMPANIES WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND START DOING THINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT FOR THEM (MMS, COPY AND PASTE, A DOCK OR TASK BAR' WITH CONVENIENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE USED OFTEN) AND CALL IT REVOLUTIONARY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Re:Copied or not, the patent system is fucked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151040)

So you (Apple) found a convenient technology called touch screen? Sucks you didn't invent it first, then you could patent it and tell other companies "Be creative, think of another, convenient way to replace buttons." It does suck...but I guess you're also lucky the people who did invent it didn't patent it. They probably said to themselves, "I can't patent this, that would be like patenting the shape of a cup." Stupid them, because you know, that if you thought of the cup first, you would have patented that right away and told other companies to "be creative" and think of another, more convenient way to hold liquids for drinking.

YOU PATENTED CONVENIENCE, HOW DARE THEM TAKE YOUR IDEA! YOU MUST ACT NOW, SUE THEM APPLE, SUE THEM! OR ELSE OTHER COMPANIES WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND START DOING THINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT FOR THEM (MMS, COPY AND PASTE, A DOCK OR TASK BAR' WITH CONVENIENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE USED OFTEN) AND CALL IT REVOLUTIONARY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Dude... you really should get out more. :-/

Community Designs need another test (3, Interesting)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150614)

These so-called Community Designs (I'm an ugly American, what do I know) need another stringent test in order to be considered a reasonable restriction on the market: Did the tools and technology to implement a design already exist, such that anyone could have readily "invented" the same design, or did the design require the initial invention of tools and technology necessary to implement the design itself, in a fashion similar to the work of Charles Babbage?

Apple's designs don't pass that test, do they?

Re:Community Designs need another test (2)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150966)

Umm... we're talking about design patents here, so they're not supposed to require the invention of any tools or technology—so much so that if they have a functional purpose, they're prima facie invalid.

What is the world coming to? (1, Insightful)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150728)

Is Apple becoming Microsoft?

Re:What is the world coming to? (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150794)

No apple is just terrified of the same thing happening to them in their new markets as what happened with PCs vs Macs. I'd be afraid of superior cheaper products as well if I was them. Rather than innovate and try to stay ahead of the competition they'd rather throw lawyers at the problem.

Boo hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150754)

One multi-billion dollar company suing another. Anyone taking sides here is a tool.

woo (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150798)

Finally an objective test to see if you're an Apple fanboi. If you think there is nothing wrong with skewing the aspect ration in a court filing, you're a fanboi, period.

Cheaters Never Win (1)

virb67 (1771270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150810)

Cheaters never win...unless of course their multi-billion-dollar multi-national corporations. In this case, carry on...

Who does Apple think they are? (3, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150846)

Facebook?

According to Samsung (1)

kentsex (2433846) | more than 2 years ago | (#37150960)

According to Samsung, the dimensions of the Galaxy S are 122.4 x 64.2 mm.The iPhone 3G measures 115.5 x 62.1 mm [goo.gl]

How are they similar, or different than any other (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150974)

I have an LG optimus S and it has the same shape, and so do hundreds of other smartphones and they have for years.
If anything they look totally different because apple products have that stupid square button and everyone else has a useful amount of buttons and things on them.

Important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37150994)

One important point point the article missed is that apple is shit.

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