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Most People Have Never Heard of CTRL+F

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the only-surprising-because-it's-true dept.

Education 567

Hugh Pickens writes "Google search anthropologist Dan Russell says that 90 percent of people in his studies don't know how to use CTRL/Command + F to find a word in a document or web page. 'I do these field studies and I can't tell you how many hours I've sat in somebody's house as they've read through a long document trying to find the result they're looking for,' says Russell, who has studied thousands of people on how they search for stuff. 'At the end I'll say to them, "Let me show one little trick here," and very often people will say, "I can't believe I've been wasting my life!"' Just like we learn to skim tables of content or look through an index or just skim chapter titles to find what we're looking for, we need to teach people about this CTRL+F thing, says Alexis Madrigal. 'I probably use that trick 20 times per day and yet the vast majority of people don't use it at all,' writes Madrigal. 'We're talking about the future of almost all knowledge acquisition and yet schools don't spend nearly as much time on this skill as they do on other equally important areas.'"

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567 comments

Learn your AVC's (3, Insightful)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152126)

While you are at it, teach them CTRL+C (Command+C) and CTRL+V and CTRL+A. At least 25% of users have never seen any of these amazing combos in action either.

Re:Learn your AVC's (5, Informative)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152152)

While you are at it, teach them CTRL+C (Command+C) and CTRL+V and CTRL+A. At least 25% of users have never seen any of these amazing combos in action either.

Let's not forget the ever popular CTRL-Z. I have some users who never knew that "undo" was an option let alone a keyboard shortcut. Of course, they're always surprised that CTRL-Z won't make an email they just sent come back.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152256)

ctrl+C -> cancel command execution
ctrl+Z -> pause command execution and send to background
ctrl+A -> ring bell, escape key for screen

what is ctrl+V for?

besides other two important keys:
ctrl+ins -> X11 copy
shift+ins -> X11 paste

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Vegemeister (1259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152288)

Ctrl+ins and shift+ins really only work well for left-handed mousers. Using both hands to copy and past is just retarded.

Re:Learn your AVC's (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152372)

yep, and as a left-hander they're REALLY useful, otherwise ctrl+c, ctrl+v are a reach across with the free right hand.

Although they're such established shortcuts across OSes I use, I'm finding more and more applications on Windows ignoring it or handling only ctrl+c/v in their subclassed-to-add-pretty-graphics-but-not-properly-handled interfaces.

This FUCKING SERIOUSLY ANNOYING and time consuming for many people. I finally got pissed off enough to write a fucking service that needs to mess with the kb buffer and force ctrl+ins/shift+ins as ctrl equivalents. Functions well most of the time. I'm sure there's many other people who just have to live with it.

Rant over :)

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152382)

I never really considered that. But you can also use X middle mouse button to paste current selection :)

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152428)

Using both hands to copy and past is just retarded.

Why are your trying to copy and paste while masturbating?

Re:Learn your AVC's (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152304)

what is ctrl+V for?

It installs Windows over your lonely little OS.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

akanouras (1431981) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152392)

Ctrl+V in libreadline-based programs instructs them to not interpret the next character/combo you type. It's helpful when you want to input Tab as a character on a shell command line, for example.

Ctrl+V is raw input (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152520)

Ctrl+V enables raw keycode input in your shell. For example, Ctrl+v ESC c is what you type in to issue the terminal reset command to the shell. The ESC is not intrpreted when you press it, but is passed through to output as \033, the shell escape character.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152524)

Even on an X11 desktop, a lot of window managers capture the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V keys for copy-pasting when you are not inside a terminal emulator.

(The obvious trouble with that is that there are multiple clip-boards, and Shift+Ins and Ctrl+V will not paste the same thing.)

Re:Learn your AVC's (4, Insightful)

Octorian (14086) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152178)

Except the modern office suite software has made Ctrl-V useless and annoying, copying styles that have nothing to do with your paste target and often messing it up in the process. So instead you have to either click through menus or find a far more awkward key combo to "paste without formatting."

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152238)

Whilst this is true, especially if you're copying and pasting content from a webpage (garr Microsoft - why make my life so hard?), CTRL+V is still incredibly powerful for applications. When I was writing my essays for my degree, I would often copy and paste stuff from websites to be reworded later. It didn't matter about the formatting. The Run line became very useful, as it can be used to strip the formatting from text. I've also been known to keep notepad open for the same reason.

Re:Learn your AVC's (4, Informative)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152384)

Guys, notepad strips out formatting. Isn't that what it was invented for!?!

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152484)

I would often copy and paste stuff from websites to be reworded later.

That's why you got a "C" by the way.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

pruss (246395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152494)

1. Make sure to type in a bibliographic reference for the pasted text right away when you paste, though, or you might later forget to add a reference and be suspected of plagiarism.

2. I think the simple alt-e,s,(select with arrows),enter is slightly faster and smoother than windows-key,r,ctrl-v,ctrl-a,ctrl-x,alt-tab,ctrl-v or alt-tab(repeat to get notepad),ctrl-v,ctrl-a,ctrl-x,alt-tab,ctrl-v

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152240)

oh my, no more paste / paste special dichotomy ?

Smart people use LaTeX. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152266)

Smart people don't bother with office suites. Smart people, even those who aren't technically-inclined, use LaTeX and a plain old text editor.

My executive assistant uses LaTeX to prepare all of our correspondence. Her education was in sociology, and she'd never seen LaTeX before, but she picked it up within two days. It makes our documents look crisp and professional, with minimal effort. It's also extremely easy to generate a PDF, if we need to digitally transmit our documents. She can prepare a document much quicker than the EAs of my colleagues can, and they all insist on using MS Office and other office suites. Best of all, using LaTeX doesn't affect our bottom line at all, and documents we prepared over 20 years ago still work perfectly today.

Re:Smart people use LaTeX. (1)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152488)

Well, LaTeX can only replace the word processor and presentation software in an office suite. (I do believe it can completely replace a word processor for many people.) Maybe even the vector graphics tool, if you're feeling particularly adventurous. You'd still need to use the office suite for spreadsheets or databases (if you really want to use office tools to handle databases.)

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152426)

On Windows I always ctrl-v to Notepad first and from there ctrl-a ctrl-c to finally ctrl-v to it's final destination. Notepad strips all the formatting information.
On OSX I have not found a good solution yet since there the default basic tekst editor is not basic enough because it retains formatting information :(

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

pruss (246395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152460)

I'm pretty used to using alt-e,s,(select with arrow),enter in Word (there is no doubt a new shortcut in Office 2007+, but the old one works, too). It IS more awkward, but most of the time when I copy and paste, it's text within or between Word documents, so I want the standard paste to be easier to access, and I use it often enough (though not as often as ctrl-v) that the combination has become second nature.

If most of your pasting is from external sources, you can re-bind ctrl-v in Word (and I assume in Open Office, too) to Paste Special. You'll still need to select the "unformatted" option in the dialog box, but at least it's one less keystroke than alt-e,s.

Re:Learn your AVC's (2)

gavort (176290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152200)

My GF constantly amazes people at her workplace with her amazing ALT-TAB method of quickly switching between programs...

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152212)

No one ever uses CTRL+A, it's fairly useless.
Even the triple-click is not that useful.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152246)

I use it all of the time. I write code to make sure it will work then paste it into the larger application I'm working on. CTRL+A then middle click where I want to insert it.

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152374)

Programming is not normally done with copy and paste.
If it is, you have a serious problem.

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152444)

Did you even read his post?

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152280)

You must be kidding. I use 'select all' probably more than a hundred times a day while using blender and photoshop. The triple-click not so often, but still almost every time i want to copy a url.

Re:Learn your AVC's (2)

Bozzio (183974) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152404)

Ctrl+L, Ctrl+C (most browsers)
or
F4, Ctrl+C (older IE)

Re:Learn your AVC's (3, Insightful)

GNious (953874) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152222)

I have been trying this on Windows 2008 servers the last few weeks to copy-paste files in Explorer - CTRL+c and CTRL+v doesn't seem to work reliably.

Then there is the headache that various specialty programs seemingly implement CRTL+f differently (Outlook? - Forward instead of Find) or simply not at all.

So "Study finds people have not heard of CTRL+f" could just as well be "Study finds people stop relying on unreliable keyboard short-cuts due to developer inconsistencies".

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152258)

Yes. This and shitty interfaces (different shortcuts for different languages, leading to a mess)

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

archen (447353) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152244)

I remember in the 90s when even many people who weren't particularly computer literate knew this stuff. The difference is that many people use to take courses on "how to use computers" and shortcut keys were considered a big part of that. Using a computer is considered a skill people "just know" these days, but you watch the way most people fumble around with them and wonder how much better they'd be at using them with some education (assuming they'd care to learn which I assume they wouldn't).

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152320)

and tab, return in dialog boxes, escape and alt-tab

and (annoys me most) pg up and pg down!

and the triple click in word processing.

Re:Learn your AVC's (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152326)

They might not know the keyboard shortcuts for copy and past, but I doubt they're erasing large chunks of text in one place only to re-type it somewhere else... at least I hope not!

Everybody here is focusing keyboard commands, but that isn't the main problem. People would be almost as well served by using the "Edit... Find" GUI menu option, but don't even know about that. It's the concept of searching within the current page they need, more than the finger habits to do it a bit faster.

Re:Learn your AVC's (2)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152438)

Please, please, please, all browser makers: Give me a permanently displayed "find in page" box.

A hate that Crome's search box goes away when you change pages.

Re:Learn your AVC's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152422)

And for Excel:

Alt +DFAORT (filter unique - good for populating tables)
Alt +DPRF (pivot chart)
Alt +DPF (pivot table)

This AC needs to get out more....

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152472)

I know many people who insist on right-clicking and using the context menu, or (worse) the Edit toolbar menu. It's painful to watch.

Re:Learn your AVC's (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152522)

WTH is that? I type ctrl-F and I advance one page in my magnificent editor. Want to search? Use /
What's all this people talking about?

Most People Have Never Heard of ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152138)

F3.

I use it all the time but what happens is not always what you expect.
If you're lucky it searches or it does nothing.

Re:Most People Have Never Heard of ..... (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152232)

F3.

I use it all the time but what happens is not always what you expect.
If you're lucky it searches or it does nothing.

F5 refreshes the web page in all graphical browsers, which is handy.

F2 renames a file (in Windows, anyway).

I used to tell people about F1 as well, which has meant "help" since the DOS days.

Unfortunately there's a trend among PC and keyboard manufacturers lately to replace the F keys with customized crap like volume controls, launching the browser or email client or putting the computer to sleep. This has been around for years, but lately Dell, HP and even Lenovo have taken to making this crap the default function of the F keys and requiring the user to use a "Fn" key to achieve the normal function rather than vice versa, particularly on laptops.

Re:Most People Have Never Heard of ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152476)

The only thing that doesn't bug me about the stupid F keys on my Microsoft "comfort wireless desktop" keyboard or whatever it's called is that the driver remembers the state of the F-lock key across reboots, and as far as I can make out, actually requires a driver to support the non-F-key "stuff" so in the BIOS for instance, I never have to worry about the buttons not working.

However, the fact that they're evenly spaced instead of in groups of 4, and sit a good 3 mm shorter than all of the other keys, and are basically these tiny rectangles.. well, that all still bugs me. Thankfully I don't have to worry about this crap with my wired keyboards, because if Unicomp ever did that to people they'd lose tonnes of business :)

/ (slash) (3, Informative)

cobbaut (232092) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152154)

Usually (even in firefox) just typing / to find something just works...

Re:/ (slash) (1)

Octorian (14086) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152184)

Actually, this one only seems to work in Firefox and vim. Haven't seen anything else support it.

Re:/ (slash) (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152234)

It works in other text-mode viewers and editors.
But beware, it expects a regular expression, not just text to search for.

Re:/ (slash) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152262)

man supports searching with / as well.
  WTF since when has knowing a keyboard shortcut a been skill. (ranting about the summery not the parent post or GP)
One thing that drove me nuts was when Autocad changed CTRL+C from cancel to copy when autodesk moved to windows.

Re:/ (slash) (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152272)

Does no one use less any more?

Re:/ (slash) (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152348)

more or less, yes.

Re:/ (slash) (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152370)

Does no one use less any more?

Does any one use more any less?

Re:/ (slash) (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152434)

Yes. regards, Les Moore

Re:/ (slash) (2)

Mr0bvious (968303) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152276)

less

Re:/ (slash) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152358)

If 90% of people ignore the existence of the almost standard Ctrl+F (not only for browsers) shortcut, what can be the proportion of people that won't know about / ? 99.99% ?

It's too acrobatic (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152170)

While reaching for my coffee sitting in the DVD drive tray and stepping on the mouse with my foot, it's hard to do a ctrl-F while shaving using a CD for a mirror and texting on the phone.

Re:It's too acrobatic (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152198)

You should use hard drive platters as mirrors, much better visual quality.

Re:It's too acrobatic (1)

Evil.Bonsai (1205202) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152264)

Hehe, I use hard drive magnets to put stuff on the fridge. Much better than those 'refrigerator" magnets that just fall off whenever you close the door. 'Course, need to use a crowbar to remove what I put up there, but at least it isn't going to fall off.

I was just... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152172)

I was just Ctrl+Fing "Ctrl+F" on slashdot, because a friend had told me about the ctrl-f story.

This is so cool. (1)

Blackout for Hungary (1970198) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152174)

I wish there were a hotkey for capital letters, so I won't have to PUSH SHIFT BUTTON ALL THE TIME

Re:This is so cool. (1)

Jon Stone (1961380) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152274)

What surprises me is the number of people who use caps-lock instead of shift to type a single capital letter, i.e.
caps-lock on
type letter
caps-lock off
every single time.

Keyboard shortcuts are for pros (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152180)

Is this surprising? People expect useful controls to be easily discoverable. Keyboard shortcuts don't fall into this category. Find is either hidden under menus (which no-one uses any more) or behind the ambiguous magnifying glass icon which is also used for zoom.

Browsers have search bars. Search in this page should be a suggested action whenever someone types a word in there (I'm sure that's already implemented somewhere) - that's discoverable. Word processors just have too many functions - people don't like to explore because it's overwhelming. This shouldn't be news to anyone.

Re:Keyboard shortcuts are for pros (3, Interesting)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152300)

You're right! Science and mathematics should be self explanatory. Skilled skim reading a document is self explanatory. (Note, if it is, you're doing it wrong) In fact, life should just be self explanatory. Everything should be so user friendly that everyone gets it.

I think the point made by the article is that schools as allegedly here to teach the non self explanatory things such as reading, writing and arithmetic, and yet the most basic computing skills are not being looked at. Some schools are doing this in an ad hoc fashion, but it is arguable today that for quite a significant portion, if not majority of people, they spend more time on the keyboard than they do with a pen in their hand. Hence, we should be teaching these basic skills.

Re:Keyboard shortcuts are for pros (1)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152318)

Isn't this why Word Perfect 5 was very popular with secretaries because it had very little mouse interaction meaning it was very quick to do anything?
CTRL+B to toggle bold
CTRL+I to toggle italics
CTRL+U to toggle underlining
etc
Much quicker than switching between keyboard and mouse, which when you are in the middle of writing stuff (especially if your boss is droning on in your ear) is really important.

It's a shame that IT departments rejected it in favour of Microsoft Office.

Re:Keyboard shortcuts are for pros (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152400)

people don't like to explore because they're lazy and stupid

FTFY.

Re:Keyboard shortcuts are for pros (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152452)

It's worth noting that if everyone liked exploring, nothing would ever get done. So there's a downside to everything.

Stable user interface ? (2)

redelm (54142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152190)

That people do not know commands is _data_ . Why becomes speculation. I know all my commands because I'm still a CLI dinosaur. I still use / (no dot :) to find strings because it works on my main tools -- vim, mutt, links and occasionally seamonkey.

I would speculate computer inability is rooted in the whole GUI paradigm -- if it isn't on some menu you cannot do it. Good luck finding it with Microsoft changing their menus, especially the _huge_ change with the MS-Office2007 "ribbon". It might be good (???), but change comes at a cost. Very uncertain there is a payoff.

Re:Stable user interface ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152450)

So self-centered ! If people had to start with CLI to use computers, less than 5% of the population would have one ! Because they don't NEED NOR WANT to know about it. For them, computers are at the same level as a TV set or a toaster, something that must JUST WORK, and that's perfectly normal.

Re:Stable user interface ? (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152474)

I would speculate computer inability is rooted in the whole GUI paradigm

Hardly. It's just that people who don't have the need/interest to memorize key sequences can now use computers effectively. The abilities of the interested are only increased by the addition of more extensive graphical tools abut the average ability has decreased because more computer-disinterested people now use them as part of daily life.

Re:Stable user interface ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152550)

That's why one of the first things a child should learn in a standardized education is: how to learn. It sounds strange, but it's a serious necessity. Basically, this is a logic or reasoning class. People don't know their hot keys because they don't explore enough, and they don't make use of basic reasoning tools. Why aren't they asking even simplistic questions, like "Hey, this is a computer - designed to make ordinary information tasks easier - does it get any easier than this?", or "What's in all these menus? I should try these things out to see what they do..."

I use a Mac you insensitive clod! (1, Informative)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152192)

(it's a COMMAND + F on a Mac!)

Re:I use a Mac you insensitive clod! (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152252)

At least you have a good reason not to use the feature, since Command (and even Ctrl) are in very impractical places on Apple keyboards.

Re:I use a Mac you insensitive clod! (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152380)

I find command (letter) to be much faster and easier to use than crtl.

Control key is varies in placement between keyboards making the distance to the key inexact. However on apple keyboards command is right next to the spacebar, so it is very easy to use.

I always wish msft had pushed their windows key for more than just the start menu. it would have changed keyboards for the better, as linux would have just followed along.

Keys that modify others should be quick and easy to use with one hand.

besides what makes it really useful. is that I can command -c in a terminal window without a gay work around, where as if you ctrl -c in a terminal window you close it not copy the text.

so take that to you command line and cry.

iPads (1, Troll)

oztiks (921504) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152204)

This has to be the one feature I wish the iPad would add, a freaking "find" feature.

You know they praise the iPad for all it's wonder and a simple usability flaw such as this is still prevalent.

Re:iPads (1)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152296)

You know they praise the iPad for all it's wonder and a simple usability flaw such as this is still prevalent.

Who praises the iPad? Certainly not ergonomics people.

Re:iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152418)

Actually most do. Certainly you are not an ergonomics engineer or similar to make this statement... Also GP is a troll or moron, iPad certainly DOES have search.

Re:iPads (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152316)

You mean like Spotlight Search [youtube.com] or searching on a page in Safari [youtube.com] for example?

Re:iPads (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152324)

iPads don't have a keyboard so it would be the wrong way to go, IMHO. They should use gestures. Then todays kids will grow up and say, "why doesn't anyone know that 3 consecutive circles means your searching for something?"

What a great idea! It should be a question mark! (1)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152402)

No, I'm serious! Make the gesture like a question mark (maybe without the little "." so as to not confuse the system). It would seem to be very easy to implement and everyone would instantly recognize it! If you want it could bring up a multipurpose "question box" which could do a number of things (like help or spelling) in addition to "find".

Too bad a said this out on a public forum. Now I (assume) I can't patent it. Well at least the Guess Jeans company hasn't trademarked it!

Re:What a great idea! It should be a question mark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152478)

Oh, you mean like the three shells thing?

Re:iPads (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152466)

And of course, make it a PERFECT circle. Because everyone is Picasso.

Seriously, the entire point of shortcuts is to make things faster. Drawing three circles, hell, one circle takes a whole lot longer then hitting a keyboard combo. In most cases, it would be about as fast as clicking an icon with a mouse. Just try it.

(I had a circle gesture on touchpad of my laptop for a reload function of web page for a while. Ugh).

Re:iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152412)

They've had it for a while now, but it is potentially LESS usable than CTRL+F. Go to the google search box when you are on a page and type in what you want to find. Then scroll to the bottom of the auto-suggests, and you'll see a find on this page' click and enjoy.

Re:iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152414)

This has to be the one feature I wish the iPad would add, a freaking "find" feature.

You know they praise the iPad for all it's wonder and a simple usability flaw such as this is still prevalent.

You mean like the Spotlight it has by swiping to the left from the home screen? :P

Re:iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152448)

Reading the parent comment, and the child comments, leaves me stunned. You call yourselves techies and you don't even know the basic features of the iPad?

Try doing five minutes of research before posting trolls.

Re:iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152512)

This has to be the one feature I wish the iPad would add, a freaking "find" feature.

You know they praise the iPad for all it's wonder and a simple usability flaw such as this is still prevalent.

It's there already, in Safari anyway. Type what you want in the top-right text box and in the "suggestions" look for "find in his page" or similar.

IT'S NOT CTRL+F (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152206)

It's ESC, :, ?searchstring you insensitiv clod.

1/2 (1)

headhot (137860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152214)

1/2 of every one is below average. The 1/4 above that ain't so special either. Let them spend some time reading instead of using crtl-F.. maybe they will learn something.

Standards (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152220)

Can we make these standard keys on a keyboard as standard? They're used universally in many apps, so it would be great to have them as well. There should be a 'keyboard' equivalent of the W3C or IEEE organizations.

Re:Standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152336)

There is. It's called... (ready?) a keyboard.

Fundamentally (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152228)

Fundamentally people need to be taught that mindless repetitive tasks are something that the computer can do for them. That the computers are the slaves.

Most people don't know shit (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152242)

Look, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but most people don't know their ass from... hey, what's that in the ground over there? When they go to perform a new task their first question isn't "how easy is this?" but "why are you trying to hard to read that word? are you a fag?" Most people are not aware of too many things, but they know what they know, and aren't remotely interested in learning anything outside of their world view.

Some people are different. They want to learn for the sake of learning. We call them geeks, or nerds. Or, when they are coming on all superior to some non-nerd, they are called an asshole.

Maybe applications need to find a less obtrusive way of popping up hints, because most users need them; they won't go looking. Shit, it took me months to get my lady, who is quite intelligent, to take the windows tour. Once she did, much was revealed that was formerly opaque.

Finally, have you ever noticed how many people don't even have the basic computer skills in their job description? I've found this to be especially egregious in academia. Explaining basic Office functions to a counselor for the 23523312th time is tiring, to say the least. Isn't this a school? Aren't there classes for this crap that you could take for free? Whoever is pretending to manage these assholes needs to fuck off immediately.

Re:Most people don't know shit (1)

headhot (137860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152278)

I have found that when it comes to the educated (people with a degree) teachers are the absolute worse at using and understanding technology. Its like they have that part of their brain removed when they when to school.

Someone moved the icon for word on the desktop, and I got a call saying it was "uninstalled" and they couldn't do any of their work.

Re:Most people don't know shit (3, Interesting)

supercrisp (936036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152456)

I agree. And I'm a teacher. Teaching teachers is a trying experience. That said, I know that one reason I do stupid things like what you describe is the sheer degree of overload that I'm always suffering. That makes it easy to be panicky and stupid. I'll add, too, that most universities have terrible websites and help areas that actually seem designed to make teachers freak out. At every university I've been at but one, the help and instructions available online trail the actual installed/implemented software by a few versions. Or, there are clear instructions on the page, if you can pick them out of the bad page-layout covered in marketing department mandated gimcracks and whizdiddles. At my current institution, it's a good ten seconds before crap stops flying across the home page, and moving the cursor across any page is liable to give one an epileptic seizure. Then there are the "training" session we must endure, which generally involve some sales flak using a very bad Powerpoint to pitch us some piece of crap product that would cost our students a small fortune (Turning Point technologies, I'm looking at you with your trumped-up "research" claims.).

Re:Most people don't know shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152366)

U mad bro?

in other news (2)

Opr33Opr33 (1180091) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152248)

Millions of Americans waste their lives scanning countles hours of tv for small bits of humor...

I believe it (2)

enryonaku (1441337) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152302)

That's why you can make a LOT of money by selling computers that are very simply and easy to use. That market is much bigger than the one that wants complicated computers with a ton of features. Most people just don't like computers, and they don't care to make computers a central part of their daily existence.

Well that's expected; these aren't computer people (2)

tiberiumx (1221152) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152322)

As far as commonly used, time saving keystrokes, what always shocks me is when a fellow programmer doesn't know about tab completion. You mean you're really going to type out that whole long-ass file name?

Sure I've heard of Ctrl+F ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152340)

It's the shortcut key for boldface text ("fetstil") in the Swedish version of Microsoft Office. This would make sense, sort of, except that Swedish Notepad, WordPad and Explorer still use Ctrl+F as a shortcut for finding. Whenever I hear someone praising the consistency of Microsoft's user interface, I can only assume that he or she is joking.

Re:Sure I've heard of Ctrl+F ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152442)

It's the shortcut key for boldface text ("fetstil") in the Swedish version of Microsoft Office.

Don't forget that Ctrl+B, the English shortcut key for boldface text very conveniently maps to search ("böka"). No harm done.

who keeps delivering all that heavy artillary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152350)

seems it would be more difficult to annihilate us if we weren't supplying/paying for, the weapons & walking dead media hoopla, which are used against us. take the zeus 'weather' weapon for example. all that fatal polluting junk could easily be recycled into solar powered refrigerators etc... that would improve things dramatically, as refrigerators etc... are almost impossible to hurt anyone with, unless they are dropped on us from droid powered drones.

it's clearly an unproven mess, evidenced by the apparent need for even
more deceptive distracting sideshow style fatal distraction theatrics put on by our rulers, & our slightly psychotic uncle sam.

should it not be considered that the domestic threats to all of us/our
lives & freedoms perpetrated by unsavory megalomaniacs be intervened on/removed,
so we wouldn't be compelled to hide our sentiments, &/or the truth, about
ANYTHING, including the origins of the hymenology council, & their sacred
mission (which is to protect & defend the whore of babylon, & the papers
of challenge she carries, which will put a cork in much of th deceptive
monkey business we've been subjected to)? with nothing left to
hide, there'd be room for so much more genuine quantifiable humankind
progress.

you call this 'weather'? much of our land masses/planet are going under
water, or burning up, as we fail to consider anything at all that really
matters, as we've been instructed that we must maintain our silence (our
last valid right?), to continue our 'safety' from... mounting terror.

meanwhile, back at the raunch; there are exceptions? the unmentionable
sociopath weapons peddlers are thriving in these times of worldwide
sufferance? the royals? our self appointed murderous neogod rulers? all
better than ok, thank..... us. their stipends/egos/disguises are secure,
so we'll all be ok/not killed by mistaken changes in the MANufactured
'weather', or being one of the unchosen 'too many' of us, etc...?

truth telling & disarming are the only mathematically & spiritually
correct options. read the teepeeleaks etchings. see you there?

diaperleaks group worldwide.

ahab the arab's 'funniest' home vdo;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bb_1312569503

Ctrl+f to find? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152390)

No no no, ctrl+f turns text into bold, ctrl+b searches.

Ohhh... you meant on English OS.

Next in news (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152464)

Next in news: Asa Dotzler proposes to drop keyboard shortcuts support in FireFox.

CTRL+F in meatspace (1)

What'sInAName (115383) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152486)

I have the opposite problem. I try to use Ctrl+F (well, grep actually) in the real world. Don't tell me you haven't. I can't recall the number of times I've been reading a book, deciding I want to search for something, and caught myself thinking "I'll just grep for.... oh shit."

It happens less and less now, since I've started using the iPad as a book reader. Now the only really annoying thing is getting a non-searchable PDF, which is fortunately pretty rare.

Basic editing skills are hard to find (1)

spooky_d (522225) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152504)

I was amazed (and I still am) at how clumsy my girlfriend is when trying to write code. Not because she is a bad programmer, to the contrary. But she lacks basic skills like using the TAB key for indenting, for holding shift and moving the cursor to a certain direction. How moving from word to word can be done by holding CTRL pressed as well. I guess this sort of amateurism in basic editing skills (and basic operating skills) is due to the fact that software is now friendlier. Maybe too friendly.

This is worse than Americans not knowing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152544)

..where Europe is on a map. This directly affects their lives in a way.

At least we have the right to vote.

And own a gun, or many guns for that matter.

Who needs to be able to think or be curious about how things work?

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