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A Decade of Haiku OS

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the syllables-fail-even-5-7-5-to-capture-such-a-triumph dept.

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CharlyFoxtrot writes "Haiku OS, the open source reimplementation of BeOS, celebrated its tenth birthday this week. 'Ten years ago today, the first post appeared on the mailing list of our project — then still called "OpenBeOS" — officially marking the start of our endeavor. Back then, with the imminent demise of Be Inc., there was an excitement and creative motivation in the air, that lead many to think a first release was only a matter of a few years. As it turns out, this estimation was a bit too optimistic ...' The project is currently on the third alpha of its Haiku Release 1."

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Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151654)

2012 - the year of the Haiku desktop!

My PC's never been so clean! (-1, Flamebait)

MyBootyNeedsCleaning (2442302) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151684)

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Re:My PC's never been so clean! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152492)

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Re:Maybe next year... (3, Funny)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151690)

It's too early, but by 2013, HP will ship the same amount of (Windows XP,Vista,7,8) as Haiku desktop PCs. Other manufacturers will soon follow suit.

Re:Maybe next year... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151866)

Did you mean to say "the same number of..."?

Re:Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151906)

why is amount of incorrect?

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

Vegemeister (1259976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151990)

Because PCs are discrete. 'Amount' is used for continuous quantities.

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

ZankerH (1401751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152080)

We live in a quantized universe, everything is "discrete", continuity is a mathematical concept that doesn't exist in reality if you look deep enough.

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

Suferick (2438038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152002)

'The same amount of' would apply in the case of a substance that you could measure by weight or volume; when it is items, 'the same number of' is the appropriate term. Sort of the same as 'less' and 'fewer'. If it's singular, it would be 'amount of' and 'less'; if plural, it would be 'number of' and 'fewer'.

Re:Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152034)

you can't have one money, therefore you have an amount of money.
you can have one pc, therefore you have a number of pc's.

Re:Maybe next year... (2, Interesting)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151904)

App development is too easy with Haiku. If only people would make apps that people would realy want, like some cool games and a much better digital office bundle it would kill Windows just as fast as people would switched from the PS2 to the Xbox360.

The reason no OS on the planet has ever beaten Windows (including that iCrap), is because it offered nothing better than Windows that people realy, realy wanted to run. Yes it was technologically better as in a car with the best engine on the world, but without airco, without good brakes, slippy tires and a leaking roof.

It's not that hard to beat Windows, but you must offer apps that people want so badly that they'll dump Windows apps for it.

Signed,
Linux user.

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

jedrek (79264) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151952)

It's not that hard to beat Windows, but you must offer apps that people want so badly that they'll dump Windows apps for it.

Sure, you just need a better, more stable, easier-to-use OS with more exclusive, powerful, easy to use apps that runs on 500 million different computer setups.

Easy.

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151986)

Easy to use is not the point. If you create a car that steers for you but you still lack that airco then you're still not going to sell anything.

Think of the following possible situation:
A couple of enthousiastic and talented people make a game today, with the awesomeness factor in which the original Doom was once released onto the internet. You can bet your ass that I'll be installing Haiku as dual boot, just to play that game. I'll be dual booting.
Then Haiku gets a super awesome HTMLv5 browser. Might as well browse the web then when I've already booted Haiku. I might as well use Google Docs instead of rebooting to Word...
While I'm serving the web and doing some work, I might as well fire up that media player.

What freaking reason would I have to reboot to Windows? Video editing? Like more than 5% of all people do that... Photoshop? Like more than 5% of all people do that.

While I'm at it I might as well download that file as PDF because anyone can read that. I'll send it with Gmail. Might as well set up that email program now.

Instant messaging? VoIP? Hello, it's 2011 and everybody has WatsApp on their phone...

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

JonJ (907502) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152004)

What freaking reason would I have to reboot to Windows? Video editing? Like more than 5% of all people do that... Photoshop? Like more than 5% of all people do that.

Like more than 5% connects to a company exchange server, or use any other random software only available on Windows/OS X. You see, those 5% you're talking about aren't always the _same_ 5%. Every little percentage adds up, and that's why GNU/Linux hasn't taken off, all the small % adds up to a lot, and it just isn't a replacement for them.

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152024)

Outlook 2010 has a web interface for your email and agenda. Argument flies out of the windows, still...

Re:Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152292)

OWA 2007 had an unusable web interface for non-IE browsers. OWA 2010 supports popular browsers only*. For varying definitions of "supports." It may work and it may not. It also lacks tons of little "oops, that was essential" features.

* which doesn't include Opera, Lynx, Konqueror, or "Haiku browser".

Re:Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152084)

Unless Haiku can power the 560ti that I bought, and accelerate it with similar performance to Windows, then I'm not going to install it. Haiku won't "succeed" until the computer industry invests billions of dollars into it... which is the same reason that Android "succeeded."

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151988)

It's not that hard to beat Windows, but you must offer apps that people want so badly that they'll dump Windows apps for it.

Signed,
Linux user.

So why do you use Linux?

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153158)

He found the secret secret place where they keep the apps, that people want so badly that they'll dump Windows for, which when publicized will lead to a huge increase in linux users and finally begin the "year of the liinux desktop" ;-)

tinfoil hat?

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152160)

You want to know how to get Linux some share? As a retailer I'll be happy to let you know, it is really easy...1.-GET RID OF THE DAMNED TERMINAL! It ain't 1979 anymore and disco is fricking dead, let go of the fucking blinking cursor, alright? Consumers ain't gonna put up with that shit, it has to go DIAF.

2.-FIX YOUR DAMNED DRIVER MODEL! It is 2011 and the constant driver borkage is getting old, okay? It is bad when a long term Linux user tells me "Well Linux just does that, what you need to do is" and then here comes the terminal bullshit. I don't care if you do it with an ABI, or offer Linus to Cthulu, but the reason NO shop will touch your OS is in no small part to the 6 month driver borkage!

You get rid of these two little things? Well I can tell you as a retailer a LARGE amount of the folks out there frankly don't need Windows. They surf, they watch YouTube, they check their Webmail, they play FB games. NONE of that requires Windows, but because Linux is such a fiddly little bitch, filled to the brim with basement dwellers that think terminals give them special gonad powers, that Linux don't gain shit.

Make it ALL GUI, NO CLI, make it so drivers don't break with every damned update, oh and get rid of that "software tied to which kernel you're running" while you're at it, and plenty of shops like mine would be more than happy to sell and support your OS. of course the day that happens I'll be riding a purple pony with She Ra because of all the lousy hacker wannabes that think having a term makes them something more than what they are, just another lamer. Hell why don't you get rid of your storage and use punch cards while you're at it? Modern tech piffle! Real men load their OS from cardboard!

As for TFA? Its a hobby OS, made by guys that KNOW its a Hobby OS, they have fun doing it, I'm totally happy for them and wish them another happy 20 years. As someone who ran OS/2 when everyone else was running Win 3.x I can understand the appeal of "what if" things would have been different, I really can. I saw everyone shit themselves with wonder at Win95 and went "What? That isn't as good as what I've been running for nearly 2 years!"

But sadly just like VHS VS Beta sometimes the best one loses, especially if the other guy is "good enough" and cheap. Amiga was good but too expensive and Commodore didn't know how to sell it so it went tits up. OS/2 was cool but IBM wanted to control the hardware and wanted crazy money for shitty behind the curve chips so it too went tits up. But as long as they have fun with it? Cool beans, everybody needs a way to burn off stress. Some folks play guitar, some build models, The Haiku guys try to build a modern Amiga. Hats off to 'em and I wish them all the luck in the world.

Re:Maybe next year... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152976)

You appear to have missed the fact that Microsoft is going CLI only again. They have introduced powershell and the recent exchange releases require the use of the CLI for certain things. The CLI is here to stay. If you still don't believe it, read the good old essay In The Beginning Was The Command Line [steve-parker.org].

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

djlowe (41723) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153580)

Hi, hairyfeet -

2.-FIX YOUR DAMNED DRIVER MODEL! It is 2011 and the constant driver borkage is getting old, okay? It is bad when a long term Linux user tells me "Well Linux just does that, what you need to do is" and then here comes the terminal bullshit. I don't care if you do it with an ABI, or offer Linus to Cthulu, but the reason NO shop will touch your OS is in no small part to the 6 month driver borkage!

While I agree with the sentiment in general, it's not necessarily a reason to not use Linux in the home user/SMB user market. There's a simple solution for these people: Use a long-term Linux distribution such as Ubuntu Long Term Support (LTS).

Link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [ubuntu.com]

Let's face it: Most home users/SMB users don't change their hardware very often, so once a computer is set up, it is essentially a static configuration, save for the occasional memory or hard drive upgrade, upgrades to monitors or replacing keyboards and mice. This being the case, an LTS version of Linux is ideal, I would think?

Finally, I fondly remember OS/2 - I ran it at home from Warp v2 to Warp v4, and it was a great OS! I ran it dual-boot during that time (OS/2 and DOS/Windows 3.x and DESQView, later DESQView/386 and QEMM-386), buying hardware based on OS/2 driver support. When Window 95 was released I saw the writing on the wall, but continued to dual-boot. I finally gave up on it completely a few months after Windows 98SE was released: OS/2's hardware support was lagging ever-farther behind, and when Creative Labs stopped releasing OS/2 drivers I'd pretty much had enough. I bought a copy of Scitech Display Doctor for OS/2, and that helped somewhat, but my next computer had no OS/2 partitions. I still have my last copy of OS/2 Warp v4, and occasionally look at it on my shelf and think "I should try get it running under VirtualBox"...

Regards,

dj

Re:Maybe next year... (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153110)

Well, then there is the point of: Do you really want some OS to beat windows?

I personally like the fact that the FOSS OSes are a bit of a niche on the desktop. I don't care that much that I need to pull up terminals to do some stuff, actually on some occasions it is quite relaxing to go the minimal and info oriented route to troubleshoot something instead of getting encumbered with gui hell.

In addition to this using a solution that is not in the mainstream generally means that you will get a much more knowledgeable community which helps productivity and learning. just go to yahoo answers (picked this because it very well represents the skills/abilities of people on the Internet today) and ask a question about a medium complexity computing task, in both the win7 category and the linux one. Then wait a day or two and compare the answers you will get. Not really the same quallity? That's the expected outcome. The win7 thread will have about 2^20 answers of which but a handful will be of any value. on the linux thread you might get just the one answer but it will help you complete your task.

On another note, I am running a complete FOSS web development studio and we are beating the hell out of our local competition that relies on proprietary software. As an added bonus screening/interviewing job applicants is much easier with a pure foss setup, people who don't want to hop into a new computing environment and get out of their comfort zone (or haven't already) are usually sub par material in the IT world.

So as a conclusion I would like to suggest that the FOSS variants should not become mainstream maybe a slight increase in market share might help but in desktop world 1-2% sounds perfect imo. (go Windows!!!)

any ignorance in the above text is mine. MINE!!!! you can't have it. go get your own.

Warning! Big ol' virus! (-1, Troll)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151670)

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Re:Warning! Big ol' virus! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151706)

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Re:Warning! Big ol' virus! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151828)

Hey, don't complain.

At least it's more honest than the usual Microsoft astroturf Slashdot dishes up.

Re:Warning! Big ol' virus! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152548)

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Happy Birthday! (1)

mustard5 (962587) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151680)

/me sings Happy Birthday....

Re:Happy Birthday! (1)

psnyder (1326089) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151782)

Currently alpha.
It hasn't been released yet.
Can we call it born?

Another headline
might be more appropriate.
Perhaps we can say:

"The Haiku OS,
has been in prenatal care,
40 trimesters."

Re:Happy Birthday! (1, Insightful)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151950)

that isn't a Haiku. it is a poem that consists of three verses that are set up in the 5-7-5 format.

Re:Happy Birthday! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152032)

And a seasonal word.

Early for the first, late for the second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151714)

Bad new economy timing.

Here's to another 10 more... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151718)

Assuming the OS makes it that far.

Now that they're done trying to clone BeOS (for which they did a fine job), they're starting to go and do their own thing. Much to the despair of everyone else- these new tangents of development are very un-BeOS like and lack the elegance their role model exhibits. The package manager/filesystem they're trying to implement is a perfect example of this.

I sincerely hope that they figure that stuff out- lest Haiku turn into an unmaintainable, overcomplicated piece of junk. It has such great potential, if only they stick to their roots and continue pushing a fast, simple, and more importantly- clean operating system.

-AC

Re:Here's to another 10 more... (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151784)

I had the opportunity to play with haiku on a weekend trip to a friend (I never had bothered to try it but he had) about a month ago.
I have to say that the OS has some very very strong points. I loved the window pinning in window management and the easy ramdisk functionality.

As a product I am afraid it isn't complete enough to be used in production env but I really had to wonder how come no one in the FOSS OS communities ever tried to copy some of its frankly brilliant functionality.

I don't know if the IT world needs one more open source OS, imo bsd and all the linux distros can cover all the needs anyone could ever have from an integrated circuit. I respect haiku's divergence and the (new) ideas it brings to the OS table but I think that the devs time would have been time better spent trying to integrate ramdisk functionality into the linux kernel (or just evolve the already existing one) and the remainder of said time could have ben used to hit gnome devs on their heads with a hardcopy telephone catalog.

And no, I'm not a gnome hater. I predominantly use gnome on my workstations but you simply can't ignore that fact that sticking windows together should be a standard feature of any window management system.

ohh and as always: "any misinformation/error/ignorance/arrogance in this text is mine. MINE!!!! you can't have it"

We really do need more. (1)

tempest69 (572798) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151954)

When BeOS came out it was impressive (I started on Intel v3.0 (first intel supported version)). I burned some cash getting compatible hardware. The BeOS was amazingly responsive, and was able to do things that windows still doesn't get right. The system was very clean.

I use linux all the time, I'm not a windows fan, but linux ain't right. Cut and paste don't quite work right, sometimes the middle mouse works, sometimes ctrl insrt, sometimes ctrl-v, and sometimes you cant do it without some intermediate window. Yes, I get that this is a Gnome/KDE issue, but the system as a whole isn't working right. The system isn't intuitive.

How many times have you seen some odd error come up, that you wished you could cut and paste into google. But you just can't, It wont let you highlite an error box text. It's sad.

Linux could be so much better, but it needs to be a whole system, not just a bunch of parts that sorta work together.

Re:We really do need more. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152128)

I have to disagree on the copy-paste functionality. In my opinion it is the best ever.
You actually can copy two individual pieces of text at the same time, one with ctrl-c and one by highlighting the text (select it with the mouse).
Your you then have ctrl-v for the first one and middle mouse / shift+insrt for the second.

For me this is dream compared to the ctrl-[c,v]-only in windows.

-AC

Re:We really do need more. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37152142)

There is absolutely nothing "intuitive" about any OS.
Nothing. Never has been. Never will be.
Something might feel to you like it should be intuitive to other people, but that is only because you have had years of conditioning to the abstractions that make up human-machine interfaces.
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It's all learned.

The word you are looking for in your post is "consistent".
Different concept, similar end result. (Your frustration about things not behaving like you expect them to.)

Re:We really do need more. (3, Interesting)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152436)

For a fascinating look at this. Check out this blogpost [wordpress.com] where they take a 60 year old cafeteria employee who has never used a computer and put him in front of a browser:

"I give him the same task: find a local restaurant. He stares at the screen for awhile with his hand off the mouse, looking confused. I ask what he’s looking for. “I don’t know, anything that looks like it will help!” he says. Finally, he reads the Apple context menu at the top of the screen, and his gaze falls on the word Help.

“Help, that’s what I need!” says Joe. He clicks on Help, but looks disappointed at what he sees in the menu.
“None of these can help me,” he says."

Re:We really do need more. (1)

Shompol (1690084) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153230)

The X-Window standard was select text --> middle mouse button to paste. This is much more intuitive and much faster than MS Windows two key combo to copy and another two keys to paste. In fact, most mortals I came in contact with have very vague idea how to operate two key combinations (ahem... press and hold down Ctrl, then press and release C. Yes, I frequently have to explain this)

The Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V are supported to improve the learning curve for fresh Windows refugees. This should not be stamped as a setback: once a significant proportion of desktop users converts, the Ctrl-combinations will be deprecated -- try to use the mouse, you will understand why.

Time and priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37153076)

A decade ago a BeOS/AmigaOS clone by the name of AtheOS was served up with a native web browser on a platter by a mere single programmer. Instead of using this codebase and uniting with the people interested in it, the BeOS userbase had a not invented here feeling towards it and started from scratch with the aim of binary and "brand feel" compatibility with a dead OS that had little software of note.

The problem with OpenBeOS was that if its goal was to create a great desktop OS for the ordinary person, it carried out the wrong objectives in the wrong method. If the goal was to enjoy programming an OS from scratch and relive BeOS, then they went about that effectively.

But with talk of a maturing Haiku going beyond BeOS in an increasingly Linux-like direction it looks like neither goal will be applicable any more. Haiku may in time be a better desktop OS than Linux and I may even use it myself, but I cannot see this being the free software OS project that finally displaces Windows on the ordinary Joe's desktop.

Ultimately, they're creating a "Hacker's Mac".

Re:Here's to another 10 more... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152166)

When I tried the alpha I wondered why their web browser's maximised mode made the title bar disappear. It shouldn't be the same as full-screen. It's inconsistent and makes the Be menu inaccessible.

Birthday Haiku (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151724)

Almost finished now
many bugs, long way to go
Haiku Release 1

RIP BeOS (3)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151742)

"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense - I deserve it."
-- Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO Be, Inc.

Tablet Version Please? (2)

SlothDead (1251206) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151758)

So it arrives just in time for the post PC era?

Don't get me wrong, I tried Alpha 2 a while ago and I think that if they finish it and if it got support from the developer community it would be the best desktop OS ever: The UI is excellent and it is very developer friendly.

What I don't like about it is that it is basically just BeOS: A normal PC OS. And are you really sure that PCs will be the Computer of choice for anyone besides office workers and Slashdot readers?

Re:Tablet Version Please? (2)

assertation (1255714) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151834)

And are you really sure that PCs will be the Computer of choice for anyone besides office workers and Slashdot readers?

When I get home from work, I surf on my PC and watch videos. What else would I choose for that, off work, that would be as nice as having a full sized keyboard and screen?

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151898)

you'd choose a touch tablet in the bed start wondering why you're having back and wrist problems..

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152038)

As long as "surf" doesn't involve a lot of typing, a tablet with an HDMI cable to a television might be able to substitute.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152506)

That's a nifty idea. I wonder if it would be possible to somehow power the tablet from the HDMI cable, perhaps with some kind of injector, using any unused lines... Heck, you could handshake it, which would keep the injector expensive, sounds like a win for the manufacturer... and right up Apple's alley, if they weren't in love with inventing new connectors.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (2)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152058)

It would require an ARM port to run on ARM tablet systems. Most tablets these days are ARM based. Microsoft wants Windows 8 to run on ARM tablets. If HaikuOS can run on ARM systems it will have a lower overhead than Windows 8 and thus run faster with less memory.

It has been a decade and still is in alpha release, if some major computer company was investing in it like they did the Mozilla Foundation we'd have a golden 1.0 release by now.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152270)

There has been some ARM porting [haiku-os.org] work done but as you say they are working with limited resources. I think if a company were to want to develop a new tablet OS from scratch, they could do worse than basing it on Haiku which is released under the very permissive MIT license. Hell, if Apple could cut OSX down to tablet size it could surely be done with the much leaner Haiku.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152482)

The thing is that there's really no compelling reason to use Haiku because there's no applications to speak of except some ports. Therefore it makes more sense to use Linux (GPL), Linux with your own userland (kinda GPL) or some BSD (copyright only) depending on their particular needs. Tablets are only getting more powerful, which reduces the benefit of a lightweight OS.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152788)

There were no applications for Android when they started of either, nor for (the now maybe defunct?) WebOS. Besides realistically, none of the existing FOSS apps are going to be ported straight over to modern type tablets (ie. no stylus, etc) because they aren't built from the ground up around a touch based metaphor. I also think there will be some enduring benefits for lightweight OS's yet on tablets, like better battery life for one. The hardware will no doubt get faster but tablets are very constrained by their physical form factor, they are only going to get thinner so power use will continue to be a factor.

Untrue. There are MANY Haiku Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37153018)

Any Intel BeOS app will run on Haiku. There are tons of those, such as my own Spellswell.

Haiku is binary-compatible with BeOS 5 Pro for Intel.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152546)

Hell, if Apple could cut OSX down to tablet size

Then it would be called iOS.

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152742)

Yeah sorry, I messed up my tenses. What I meant was: "If Apple can do it with OSX, then surely it could be done with Haiku."

Re:Tablet Version Please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37153070)

"Why are you guys making an OS that only you would want to use?"

Because they want it?

Re:Tablet Version Please? (1)

pankkake (877909) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153080)

And are you really sure that PCs will be the Computer of choice for anyone besides office workers and Slashdot readers?

No one cares about tablets, except hipsters and journalists.

It's just Haiku btw (1)

mmu_man (107529) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151778)

We know it's an OS :P

Re:It's just Haiku btw (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152020)

I felt compelled to throw it in there. People are always complaining that there's no explanation in the summary of project names and such and I don't know how much of the current Slashdot readership actually remembers the BeOS, it has been a long time.

Skinning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151822)

Judging from the information on the website, it seems that skinning isn't supported. Like ReactOS, it looks very 90s; you can change colours but that's it. The ReactOS project has skinning on it's to-do list, but not done anything about it... will Haiku support custom skins at some point?

Re:Skinning? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151830)

Why would it? Does anyone actually use "custom skins"?

Re:Skinning? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151868)

Everyone but Windows and Mac users, yes. And I have the Zune theme on my Windows XP machine...

Re:Skinning? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151924)

Cool! Does it shut down for a day on leap years too :)
Today is a good day to Zune. February 29th, not so good.

Re:Skinning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151928)

When you say "everyone but Windows and Mac users", you do realize that you're only talking about less than 1% of the entire PC market (including laptops and netbooks)?

Re:Skinning? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152470)

When you say "everyone but Windows and Mac users", you do realize that you're only talking about less than 1% of the entire PC market (including laptops and netbooks)?

Computers are more than laptops and netbooks and tablets and servers. There are also cellphones and pretty much any color phone has themes. Heck, even some mono ones do. Truth is that skinnable interfaces are the norm. Windows has a skinnable interface but only enthusiasts typically mess with it. Microsoft has released (AFAIK) precisely two themes for Windows XP, Zune and San Fermin. But skinnable applications are also the norm; what Windows user hasn't used Windows Media Player? Selecting another skin is a fairly accessible and prominent option.

Re:Skinning? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151944)

I don't, I've never used Windows so I'm not really aware of what Windows users do.

I've used various different Linux desktops, but never felt the need to change the "skin".

Re:Skinning? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152196)

I've used various different Linux desktops, but never felt the need to change the "skin".

If you've used various different Linux desktops, odds are that you've already used different themes on the same major version of desktop without even doing anything, because each major distribution tends to have its own theme or at least theme selection.

Re:Skinning? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152612)

Maybe, maybe not. It's not something I actually set out to do, though, and I can't really understand why you'd want to.

Re:Skinning? (2)

jedrek (79264) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151960)

Everyone but Windows and Mac users, yes.

So everyone but 95% of PC users on the planet.

Re:Skinning? (2)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152044)

There is some support for skinning, as one of the devs explains here [haiku-os.org]. But the whole project is very much focussed on getting the R1 done, which is as close to the original BeOS, which is an 90's OS even though it was ahead of its time in many ways, as they can get. There are discussions on where to after that in the glass elevator [haiku-os.org] project though.

vs Hurd (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151850)

Well, if your OS is less relevant than Hurd these days -- and less capable -- you might have a problem.

And if you don't (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 2 years ago | (#37151920)

And if you don't know the difference between a kernel and an OS on Slashdot and post as if they are the same, you DO have a problem.

Prepare for ridicule.

Re:And if you don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151966)

Yes, it's GNU/Hurd

Re:And if you don't (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152342)

For a long time, Hurd was merely a part of the GNU system, that just happened to be not functional "yet". You had GNU/Linux vs plain "GNU". It's only decades of Linux' dominance and Debian's concept of the kernel being interchangeable (linux vs kfreebsd vs hurd) that caused us to think about Hurd as something on its own.

java and flash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37151914)

No java, no flash, no deal

Re:java and flash? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152042)

What keeps OpenJDK and Gnash from getting ported? Do they have some deep dependency on Linux?

Re:java and flash? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152332)

It is being ported, but [haiku-os.org] :

"There are still some hangups to getting the first bootstrap build
going. It would be really helpful if someone could figure out the
issues between haiku and gcc such that gcc could be built with the
java support, so we could use it for bootstrapping."

There's a Gnash port [haikuware.com] too, though personally I think they'd be better off focussing on a good HTML5 capable browser, Flash is a dead man walking.

Re:java and flash? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152570)

Flash is a dead man walking.

And it'll keep walking as long as Strong Bad Emails are still made in Flash. Or are you putting your faith in Smokescreen [smokescreen.us] to emulate existing SWF animations on top of HTML5?

Re:java and flash? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152830)

I haven't been to Homestar Runner in years, are they still releasing new stuff. All those comics could just as easily be streamed in h264, they are already released as DVD's so they must have them in some video format or other. The migration to HTML5 is already under way I think. I mean who in his right mind would release a new site with a flash interface these days ? These things happen very fast, one day you're on top the next you're on the rubbish heap of history next to Real Player.

Video is ten times bigger than vector animation (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153068)

All those comics could just as easily be streamed in h264

At the cost of ten times the bandwidth.

Re:java and flash? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37152364)

Considering there are OpenJDK ports for the *BSDs, I don't think so.

Re:java and flash? (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153064)

The only BSD that's impressive about this is OpenBSD. NetBSD and FreeBSD had licenses from Sun for binary "real" java releases that they could later use to bootstrap OpenJDK. The work porting Java initially was awesome, but it was much easier for FreeBSD and NetBSD to move forward with OpenJDK than it was for OpenBSD or DragonFly.

Thanks to the Linuxolator, we could run old linux JDKs and use them to bootstrap the older binary builds and then go from there. Java requires Java to build (or a subset of it). OpenBSD came up with a clever bootstrapping approach.

Also, the FreeBSD ports of JDKs were based on the Solaris code, not the Linux code.

Re:java and flash? (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153072)

This is why the big 3 continue to have a foothold in the desktop space. Here's a hint, if everyone started using a new platform, Adobe would port it or flash would die. Either way, I'm happy.

Congrats Haiku Project (2)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153028)

It's great that you made the 10 year anniversary. I'm rather impressed by the quality of the system at this point. It's a lot of work that most people will never understand. (Yeah i run an even less relevant OS project)

Working on Linux isn't the same thing. There are many people that work on Linux. Keeping a smaller project running is a lot more challenging. They had the magic to attract help, but at the Linux levels. I think they'll have something quite usable in some time. I've dug through some of their code and it's quite good in many places.

A few days after HP all-but killed WebOS (1)

Salvo (8037) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153086)

How appropriate.

BeOS was designed as a replacement for MacOS, unfortunately, Steve one-uped Jean-Louise with NeXT and stole that crown with a superior product. I still prefer
BeOS over NeXT though

The last efforts of Be Inc. was to bundle the lightweight BeOS into Internet Appliances, a concept not dissimilar to Tablet-based computers. They even had a Tactile UI called BeIA, (which although completely unrelated to) could be considered a precursor to modern tablets.

PalmSource bought Be Inc.'s IP and planned to integrate components of BeOS into the new version of PalmOS "Cobalt". Meanwhile Palm's Hardware division decided that Windows Mobile 5 was a better option for their hardware. Palm and PalmSource merged shortly after that before fading into obscurity

Following the announcement of iPhoneOS, the desiccated remains of Palm realised that they were going to be killed outright and decided to emulate Apple, and bought on Jon Rubenstein. Poorly spec'ed Hardware, as well as misguided attempts to leech off the success of iTunes allowed Apple to steamroll WebOS, which was designed to compete with a Web-App only iPhoneOS. The release of the iPhone SDK bought iPhoneOS way ahead of WebOS.

I'd like to think that WebOS still had some of the legacy of BeOS. Probably none of the code, a little bit of the IP and a whole lot of Spirit.

BeOS, I do remember you.
WebOS, I will remember you.

Download it and play with it (1)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | more than 2 years ago | (#37153470)

Every now and then I'll download and play with one of the "alternative" OSs. The box I'm typing this on (a Mac running Lion) has VMware installs of Haiku, Syllable [syllable.org] (what AtheOS evolved in to), Minix [minix3.org], and several flavours of Linux. What next? MVS under Hercules [hercules-390.org], perhaps?

Technically, Minix is the most interesting. Haiku is the prettiest.

...laura

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